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| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 11:41:50 AM | message detail |
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Well, actually, I was looking at Crono's stuff on the site, and I was
lookign at the wrong year, so that probabaly explains something... Let me try again, more simply.... Crono may and probably has fallen since last year, Mario did quite a number on him considering, but I still that's more due to Mario's gain in strength than Crono's drop. Also, if characters are getting weaker, than I would put both Mega Man and Crono on the same side of that list. Neither has done anything important lately. I think they both dropped a little, maybe Crono a little more (since Mega Man still has his Mega Man X Battle Extreme Network .exe Blue Collection, or whatever spinoff he's on now), but I don't think he dropped enough more than Mega to allow Mega to beat him. I think now, Sonic is probably a tad stronger than Mega though, but very very little. That difference shouldn't be enough for Crono to fall to Sonic, and if he can get past Sonic, whatever % he got on Sonic, he should get just about the same, if not a little more on Mega. That make sense? --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/29/2006 11:43:00 AM | message detail |
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Um...uh...yeah, sure! Why not? >> --- Commit it to memory. |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 11:52:10 AM | message detail |
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I'm just saying that the reason I think Crono will beat Sonic is that
Crono hasn't dropped as much as everyone thinks. That's essentially the
point I've been trying to make. His 46% on Mario last year was after
Mario had gotten a huge Boost. He did better on Mario than anyone else
did. Samus obviously did better when you consider SFF, but he still has
the straight-up numbers to prove he was Mario's biggest direct threat
last year. I have no doubt this year that Mario would do at least another 3% or so better, but again, Mario had some great numbers last year.... I'm having trouble with the fact that someone who got 46% on the contest champion last year should struggle with a character who has never beat another Noble 9er (though he should be able to beat Snake). I believe the reason Sonic may have done better from last year to now because Sonic Riders has actually sold decently, and I think Sonic Rush is a pretty well-liked game, in general. But anyway, it would only help him a little. What I have to decide is how much that boost gave him versus how much Crono has dropped, but I don't see that much evidence showing me Crono dropped a lot from 2004 to 2005, so I think his changes would be about the same drop/rise as last year's. --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 11:52:58 AM | message detail |
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*Proved he was a threat after the fact I mean. --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| TRE Public Account | Posted 8/29/2006 11:59:36 AM | message detail |
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I'm just saying that the reason I think Crono will beat Sonic is that Crono hasn't dropped as much as everyone thinks. The problem with that is that the general consensus is Crono stayed pretty much constant. Calling for any drop at all is more than what most people think. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
| Kaxon | Posted 8/29/2006 12:03:11 PM | message detail |
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Name 5 good things about Crono besides "He wields a sword and saves
the world". You enter commands and watch him attack. Like Link, Crono
is a mute, but you at least battle as Link. You don't execute Crono's
attacks, and he has nothing to say. This is your personal opinion, and completely irrelevant. You don't like Crono; his contest record proves that tons of people do. Let's try this. Call the game "Frog Trigger", and make Crono a supporting character. Would anyone care about Crono then? Would Link and Mario be popular if they weren't main characters? Does it matter? No. --- CATS for SC2k6 champion |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 8/29/2006 12:04:44 PM | message detail |
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People don't think Crono dipped in 2005? --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=22242738 Sign plz Hi-ho, Hi-ho, Z1m Zum, Z1m Zum...our guru champ. |
| Big Bob | Posted 8/29/2006 12:05:00 PM | message detail |
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| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/29/2006 12:05:55 PM | message detail |
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People don't think Crono dipped in 2005? Some do, but the 2k5 X-Stats are made under the assumption that Crono stayed perfectly constant -- chosen because it lines up best with cn's scalar, I believe. Not that some people don't buy it (hello!). --- Commit it to memory. |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 12:09:39 PM | message detail |
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Really? What are the argumenst for Sonic over Crono then? Because Sonic couldn't possibly have becoem strong enough since last year to beat Crono. Crono beat Mega Man with 51% last year. And also last year, Mega Man = Sonic. If Crono stayed about constant, which would make sense to me too, than Sonic would need to get about 2% stronger. Seeing as Mario "big jump" allowed him to go up 7% on a constant Crono, and that's because of the huge NintendoFAQs surge, I think it's possible, but not all that likely for Sonic to go up that much. Sonic Riders and Rush will help, but not that much. Also, I can't see Sonic getting THAT big a boost from NintendoFAQs. I think that really only has a true effect for pure Nintendo characters anyway. (Mind this is all coming from a Sonic fanboy, if that's important. >_>) --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 12:10:00 PM | message detail |
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That Really? was to TRE btw. --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 12:10:52 PM | message detail |
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And like I said before, Mega Man has even less reason than Sonic to get stronger. --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| TRE Public Account | Posted 8/29/2006 12:12:04 PM | message detail |
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Some do, but the 2k5 X-Stats are made under the assumption that
Crono stayed perfectly constant -- chosen because it lines up best with
cn's scalar, I believe. That's a bit misleading. While Crono was chosen to be constant, it wasn't an arbitrary decsion. Read the explaination at the beginning: http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/node/32 --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/29/2006 12:12:42 PM | message detail |
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Check out Crono v. Sonic's projected outcome in 2005: Crono (2005c) VS Sonic (2005c) Crono has a strength of 39.87. Sonic has a strength of 38.50. Crono wins with 51.72% of the vote! A win of 3,152 with 91,716 total votes cast. Now check out Sonic 2k5 versus Sonic 2k4: Sonic (2005c) VS Sonic (2004c) Sonic has a strength of 38.50. Sonic has a strength of 35.99. Sonic wins with 53.26% of the vote! A win of 5,809 with 89,103 total votes cast. This was a boost that was apparently based off of absolutely nothing. Sonic winning isn't impossible. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/29/2006 12:13:44 PM | message detail |
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I said Crono was chosen because it lined up with cn's optimal scalar, didn't I? =/ --- Commit it to memory. |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/29/2006 12:14:33 PM | message detail |
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Mario Sephiroth Cloud Link Do you REALLY think Mario would lose that...? I mean the other three have the blades and are RPGish... In fact, I can utterly guarantee that if it's down to Mario and FOUR RPGish swordsmen (+Crono) Mario isn't the one to go out. The thing for me is, Mario is already to far behind any of them, yes I know lol x-stats in this format, but that would mean we'd need a ridiculous amount of SFF to occur, and I already see Seph > Cloud, I don't think Mario could beat out Cloud. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| TRE Public Account | Posted 8/29/2006 12:15:08 PM | message detail |
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I said Crono was chosen because it lined up with cn's optimal scalar, didn't I? =/ Apparently, you did. <_< --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/29/2006 12:16:24 PM | message detail |
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All I'm trying to say is stating anyone is a lock to win in an uncharted format is absurd. Fan Favorite or Not. When I said Link would never drop out of the Battle royale I didn't mean he was guaranteed to win the finals. Just everything else (and the finals probably too). This is a lock. Link will not fall out of the battle royale. How can you doubt this? The uncharted format isn't that much different. In fact, it's pretty obvious in certain cases -- like Link's. I understand the point of him being so established, but it's just that movie revolved so much around him and placed him in the best action scenes that it's hard to imagine anyone else get a bigger boost. Cloud was the clear highlight of the movie and everyone else, by comparison, was just there to look nice. Yeah that's a fact. And any boost Vincent would gain by gaining recognition is mostly nullified by DoC anyway. So it's also likeability for him. And even do he does great in that area, he's no Cloud. Well, I would wager that Vincent doesn't suffer too much from being optional on this site. I believe there is d hsomething close a 80%+ play rate of GameFAQs voters, not to mention it's their favorite game. There are of course people that have played FFVII and don't know Vincent. This was actually the group I was referring too -- the group most likely to see AC and suddenly vote Vincent over a bunch of characters. It's kind of hard for me to imagine someone who was not a fan of FFVII or who hadn't played the game before being interested in the movie. Perhaps if they were shown it by someone who bought the movie or downloaded it, but them being interested without that pushing? I have my doubts. I think it had more potential to change some fans opinions of characters -- Tifa or Cloud, for example -- more than I think it made new fans. The whole "strengthening the fanbase" type of deal. Who's to say the pushing can't account for anything? AC is all over the internet, really. Gametrailer's user movies have been about AC more than anything else for several months, and are still now, for example. And I fail to see how the strengthened fanbase thing does not apply to Vincent. Much like Tifa and Cloud, he was awesome in both FFVII and the film. Vincent even has the added benefit, and I hate to mention it again, to be forced upon you here. --- "The blood of the weak shall be the ink with which we scribe great Yawgmoth's glorious name." - Stronghold architect, journal. |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/29/2006 12:16:33 PM | message detail |
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This may be just me, but I think a lot of my doubt on Vincent's
boost comes from thinking that Vincent's role in that movie was hardly
all that noteworthy. I liked him, and still do, coming into the movie,
and he didn't do much at all to raise my opinion of him. He played his
role that he did in FFVII by being more stoic. I'm not really sure that
one extra scene of him saving Cloud in the Forgotten Capital and then
talking to him is going to do that much, but we'll see. I just love those stylish badasses, I guess. His voice, his coat, the way he acts. The things he says. The graphics and voice just fitted him perfectly. I can't say the transition went as fluently for everyone else. I prefer his role in AC over the one in FFVII, contrary to most of the other characters. Regardless of that opinion, his role is a step above the other cast (besides Tifa, Cloud and Sephiroth), while it was a step under in FFVII. I doubt AC would be enough to take someone from "dislike" to "like." Maybe in the case of Cloud or Tifa, but not Vincent. When you think about it, Vincent says awfully few in FFVII. If you got him, but didn't play as him, I can see how you wouldn't be particularly fond of him. I'm not sure about that. It's tough to gauge the mass public, but the Wii has been dominating polls all over the Internet, from company websites to gaming fan sites, since E3 was over. Everyone's focus right now seems to be glued in on Wii, and it doesn't help when the PS3 has had tons of negativity surrounding it in the media along with a poor E3 showing. All over the internet? I'd be surprised by that, really. Even then, Sony will carry its Playstation name to incredible hype levels. Sony is so far ahead in the current console race, people have faith in the PS3. It's hard to imagine any Final Fantasy released this generation being comparable to Twilight Princess in hype. Whenever I think of Twilight Princess, that first trailer being unveiled with the entire crowd screaming their heads off and giving a standing ovation at the end of it comes to mind...and then it's leading the way for Nintendo's new console. And it's Zelda. And yeah. Yeah there is the fact that it releases with the Wii. It's certainly bigger than FFXII, but I wouldn't think it's by that much. --- "The blood of the weak shall be the ink with which we scribe great Yawgmoth's glorious name." - Stronghold architect, journal. |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 12:16:54 PM | message detail |
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Between 2004 and 2005, Sonic had Sonic Mega COllection come out for the
XBox and PS2 (since it was already out on the Cube). I bet that gave
him a lift. Also, even Sonic Heroes could help. (It would help more
than anything he's had from 05 to now, anyway) --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 12:18:08 PM | message detail |
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I mean, Sonic Heroes probably helped in his 04 to 05 increase. --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/29/2006 12:22:13 PM | message detail |
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Sonic Rush has been well-received (something Heroes can't exactly say
for itself), and it's for the DS, which is the hottest system on
GameFAQs right now. And in any case, he doesn't even need as much of a
boost as he got in 2k5...that match can potentially be dead-even
depending on what day you hold it last year, for that matter. --- Commit it to memory. |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/29/2006 12:23:17 PM | message detail |
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...you have no idea how much I want to take someone other than Crono to
win the male bracket, but I just don't have the balls. I used to have
MM, but I just recently switched back. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/29/2006 12:26:18 PM | message detail |
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Funnily enough, I have Sonic losing to Samus right now, but if I were
to switch back to Crono I'd in all probability have him winning that
match. I have my reasons. In fact... *goes to make changes* =D --- Commit it to memory. |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/29/2006 12:28:29 PM | message detail |
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Too bad Samus will more than likely have Corruption by then! --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 12:29:01 PM | message detail |
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But Sonic Heroes was out for all 3 systems. Also, Sonic Rush fails to be on the Top 10 most sold DS games for each month. What I'm saying is that it will help very little. My feeling is that it simply won't be enough to take on Crono. The reason why I think Sonic could beat the other blue guy is that that match was so close like you said, the slightest thing could tip it. I would call Sonic Rush that slight. --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/29/2006 12:33:11 PM | message detail |
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Too bad Samus will more than likely have Corruption by then! If you say so! Also, Sonic Rush fails to be on the Top 10 most sold DS games for each month. What I'm saying is that it will help very little. Sales aren't a be-all end-all of who gets a boost -- like I said, Sonic Rush was *very* well received by its audience. Though if you want to talk about getting a boost from a better selling multiplatform game, there's always Shadow the Hedgehog! --- Commit it to memory. |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 12:34:41 PM | message detail |
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Shadow has street cred though!! --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/29/2006 12:36:43 PM | message detail |
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Oh I say so alright !! --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/29/2006 12:41:29 PM | message detail |
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Anyway, I do see what you're saying, and while I agree 100% that SR was
a very well-received game on a very popular system in this site.... The thign is, we don't know how much a boost that will give him.... it depends... did mostly Sonic fans buy and play the game? People who would likely already vote for Sonic anyway? Maybe and maybe not, it was the first Sonic game on the DS. But I still think there are people who felt it was still too close to a Sonic Advancey feel. This and Sonic Riders will make it a close match, but I don't think it will be enough for Sonic to overcome Crono. And I guess that's where we're split. Sonic Rush probably appealed mostly to fans of the old Genesis games. I bet those fans would vote for Sonic anyway, except people who maybe got pissed at him for his 3D phase. So, I guess we'll see. =P --- WiggedOut267 (Now 32.35% more... wigged out...) : Owned by Z1mmy Since 1987 Happily married to Alanna82 on VDay 2005 |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/29/2006 12:47:52 PM | message detail |
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Sonic Rush has almost sold as much as Kirby:Canvas Course which everyone attributes to Kirby's increase last year. --- Demyx > Axel Z1mZum owned me in the Guru Contest with his mad skills! |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 12:50:36 PM | message detail |
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Even though I don't see many people liking Kairi, they'll probably
vote for her just because she's in KH, and that should give her the
advantage. ...Does Ansem ring a bell anywhere? Yeah, I know. You're going to throw the "He doesn't show up until the end!" part, but I seriously don't expect that much more from Kairi. I'd expect Ganon to triple her, too. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/29/2006 12:53:55 PM | message detail |
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Oh come on Leon, people vote for Terra just because she's in FF6, look how strong FF6 is, she's gonna take out Dante! --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| Master Moltar | Posted 8/29/2006 1:16:03 PM | message detail |
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This isn't Ganondorf or Dante we're talking about though, this is Claire. Kairi may be able to win on "She's in KH!" votes alone if Claire has fallen far enough off the map. --- Moltar Status: Bracket filled and ready to go. 2006 is the year of Samus Aran |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 1:16:35 PM | message detail |
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But yea, if Megaman... then I have no doubt they would get at least 4th. Wait, what? Mega Man is going to beat out Mario? After Mega Man getting just destroyed against Link, I have my doubts about Mega Man finishing anywhere but last if he were to win the male half of the bracket. At best he's getting fifth. --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| creativename | Posted 8/29/2006 1:21:09 PM | message detail |
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The thing about Kairi is that the thing that does more for my
confidence in her than anything else is the seeding. But when you're
relying on seeding for anything, you know there's trouble. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| BlastTheSpeaker | Posted 8/29/2006 1:23:42 PM | message detail |
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I almost expect Kairi/Claire to be the Pacman/Ocelot of this contest honestly. -Hiko --- Blast the Speakers!! Hopeful Soon To Be WWEGSB FPV DL Member |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 1:24:39 PM | message detail |
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Kairi may be able to win on "She's in KH!" votes alone if Claire has fallen far enough off the map. I don't know why people are expecting Claire to go from 45% on Tidus (which isn't bad at all, by the way) to bad fodder (and that's what I personally think she has to be to lose to Kairi. I expect that little from her), especially now that Resident Evil is starting to get popular again. Also, I feel strange being in the consensus on Sonic's contest path. I feel like I need to take him as the male bracket winner or something. Just having him lose to Crono and be done with it...that's not like me. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 1:25:45 PM | message detail |
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The thing about Kairi is that the thing that does more for my
confidence in her than anything else is the seeding. But when you're
relying on seeding for anything, you know there's trouble. Bingo. Plus, people are relying on KHII to push her over the top when her role was...very small, just like it was in the first. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 1:28:27 PM | message detail |
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Oh man, time to bring this sig back into style. --- Squall Leonhart's Road to the Character Battle V Championship: Round 1: Tidus |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 1:29:24 PM | message detail |
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Just having him lose to Crono and be done with it...that's not like me. You know what you could do... --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| BlastTheSpeaker | Posted 8/29/2006 1:29:32 PM | message detail |
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The thing about Squall is, hes never really had much of a reason to get
a boost or an increase. A match between him and Zero could be
interesting. --- Blast the Speakers!! Hopeful Soon To Be WWEGSB FPV DL Member |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 1:30:09 PM | message detail |
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You know what you could do... Have him beating Samus? That sounds like a brilliant plan! --- Squall Leonhart's Road to the Character Battle V Championship: Round 1: Tidus |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/29/2006 1:31:27 PM | message detail |
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Have him beating Samus? Haha! There you go with your unrealistic predictions! I meant something more likely, such as losing to Ganon in the second round like the Blue Blur will be doing! --- "Zelda isn't the type of game that can be a 100 on a scale of 1 to 100 -- it has to be 120." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 1:32:11 PM | message detail |
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Sonic > Samus is more realistic than Ganon > Sonic! Ooh, I just went there! --- Squall Leonhart's Road to the Character Battle V Championship: Round 1: Tidus |
| BlastTheSpeaker | Posted 8/29/2006 1:34:12 PM | message detail |
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Silly HM. Everyone will be losing to a certain blonde haired Maverick. --- Blast the Speakers!! Hopeful Soon To Be WWEGSB FPV DL Member |
| Janus5000 | Posted 8/29/2006 1:34:58 PM | message detail |
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More like no one. --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/29/2006 1:35:04 PM | message detail |
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Except for Sonic! --- Squall Leonhart's Road to the Character Battle V Championship: Round 1: Tidus |
| ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/29/2006 1:35:57 PM | message detail |
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I like that sig style there, Leon. Except you got the character in it all wrong. --- ~*~Sephiroth's Road To Character Battle V Dominance~*~ The Battle Royale hath wrought the fury of the One Winged Angel |
| Master Moltar | Posted 8/29/2006 1:36:59 PM | message detail |
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I don't know why people are expecting Claire to go from 45% on Tidus
(which isn't bad at all, by the way) to bad fodder (and that's what I
personally think she has to be to lose to Kairi. I expect that little
from her), especially now that Resident Evil is starting to get popular
again. She hasn't had anything since the 2002 Contest. Yeah, there was RE4, but she wasn't in it, so I can't see her regaining some strength unless people went back to play RE2 or something. She could have been overrated in 2002, and there's no telling how far she's fallen since then. Man, I really feel like I should switch back to Claire. --- Moltar Status: Bracket filled and ready to go. 2006 is the year of Samus Aran |