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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/28/2006 3:18:39 PM | message detail
I guess in a manner of speaking, it's actually kind of impressive that Claire got in despite having no recency.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/28/2006 3:19:02 PM | message detail
Yeah, and so do I, but I don't see Kairi being stronger than someone like Geno.

I don't see why. The KH series is about as big as Super Mario RPG, I can't picture Kairi being as weak as Geno.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:21:16 PM | message detail
*checks stats*

Geno is a smidge under Zidane...I think I'd actually go with Zidane > Kairi, though it's anyone's guess on if Zidane was SFFed by Crono at all.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/28/2006 3:26:43 PM | message detail
I don't see why. The KH series is about as big as Super Mario RPG, I can't picture Kairi being as weak as Geno.

Geno is playable, Claire is not. Who's the strongest NPC good guy that we've seen in a contest? The King of All Cosmos?
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TheFreeshooter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:28:30 PM | message detail
I don't know... the nature of this contest might entice people following the contest to support their "girls". I could see Kingdom Hearts fans getting behind Kairi over the likes of Claire. I know this was brought up about Bowser and Ganon possibly overperforming on Sephy in the Villains contest due to franchise voting. Anyone think that might happen a bit here, since the females are isolated?
Draco1214 | Posted 8/28/2006 3:29:07 PM | message detail
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/28/2006 3:29:53 PM | message detail
My reasoning for Kairi/Claire in a nutshell:

Kairi has KH2, which is a huge game on this site. Claire hasn't had anything in years, as evidenced by her pathetic seed in an all female side of the bracket. Kairi wins.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:30:30 PM | message detail
If they did overperform due to that, I'd think it would have happened at the end of the contest (y'know, when they faced Sephy). This match is going to be early, I'm not thinking people will be 'franchise voting' any more than usual here.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:31:10 PM | message detail
My reasoning for Kairi/Claire in a nutshell:

Kairi has KH2, which is a huge game on this site. Claire hasn't had anything in years, as evidenced by her pathetic seed in an all female side of the bracket. Kairi wins.


Yo Ocelot/Pac-Man what's up
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TheFreeshooter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:31:14 PM | message detail
As for Claire... yeah, she was a main character in RE2, but unlike Jill, she wasn't the most popular character in her game. Plus, Claire doesn't say "I'M A MEMBER OF S.T.A.R.S.!" in Marvel vs. Capcom 2! Jill >> Claire. <_<;
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:33:54 PM | message detail
As for Claire... yeah, she was a main character in RE2, but unlike Jill, she wasn't the most popular character in her game.

WHOA, hold up there. I'd have taken Claire > Leon with ease simply on the basis of their roles in RE2. Claire is more popular in that game for the same reason Jill is more popular than Chris in RE -- Master of Unlocking !!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:34:23 PM | message detail
...uh, before RE4, obviously.
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 3:34:49 PM | message detail
Heh, still on Kairi/Claire, huh?

I'll just leave it up to the voters at this point. I say Kairi, and that settles it. KH2 > RE: Veronica and RE2, IMO on this site. Someone said in the last topic that the seeds should be reversed, but between the fact I thought seeds were mostly based on nominations, I think it's safe to say, Kairi has her seed because of her fame on this site.
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 3:36:31 PM | message detail
Yo Ocelot/Pac-Man what's up

Kairi's one of the more important characters in her series......
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/28/2006 3:37:04 PM | message detail
And Ocelot isn't?
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 3:37:11 PM | message detail
Oh..and KH2 is a bigger game than MGS3 here IMO.
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trannyscience | Posted 8/28/2006 3:37:26 PM | message detail
not by much, if at all.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:37:36 PM | message detail
Kairi's one of the more important characters in her series.....

Aside from how that doesn't address my point at all, there's a LOT wrong with your statement and its implications.
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 3:38:49 PM | message detail
Aside from how that doesn't address my point at all, there's a LOT wrong with your statement and its implications.

...Like?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/28/2006 3:39:02 PM | message detail
I don't know... the nature of this contest might entice people following the contest to support their "girls". I could see Kingdom Hearts fans getting behind Kairi over the likes of Claire. I know this was brought up about Bowser and Ganon possibly overperforming on Sephy in the Villains contest due to franchise voting. Anyone think that might happen a bit here, since the females are isolated?

The thought was that they overperformed because they were the only representatives of their series in that contest. Their are FOUR Kingdom Hearts characters here.

And how about some discussion on NPC factor? Is Kairi really going to be the strongest good NPC ever?
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meche313 | Posted 8/28/2006 3:40:20 PM | message detail
What about Ganondorf? Not counting SSBM, obviously.
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 3:40:30 PM | message detail
If you want to bring in previous matches like Ocelot/Pac-Man, btw, just toss in VJ/Tails. >:|
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/28/2006 3:40:58 PM | message detail
And how about some discussion on NPC factor? Is Kairi really going to be the strongest good NPC ever?

Yes, because unlike the current strongest good NPC (King of all Cosmos, right?), the series she's in is huge on this site.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:41:06 PM | message detail
...Like?

Like the fact that Kairi's role in KH2 is marginal at best and that Ocelot may be the most important character in the Metal Gear series...

...which of course brings us to the next point -- even giving you that statement, importance != popularity. You want to put Tidus over Auron?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:41:58 PM | message detail
If you want to bring in previous matches like Ocelot/Pac-Man, btw, just toss in VJ/Tails. >:|

I don't remember VJ/Tails being a 2/7 matchup.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/28/2006 3:42:50 PM | message detail
You want to put Tidus over Auron?

Actually... yeah.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/28/2006 3:43:22 PM | message detail
Let's not forget that Sephiroth is the strongest NPC, please.
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 3:43:28 PM | message detail
...which of course brings us to the next point -- even giving you that statement, importance != popularity. You want to put Tidus over Auron?

I don't wanna start with Kirby, but um.....using your point, that means Kairi has a chance after all, anyways.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/28/2006 3:44:03 PM | message detail
Let's not forget that Sephiroth is the strongest NPC, please.

Sephiroth becomes a good guy in DoC???
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/28/2006 3:44:20 PM | message detail
Let's not forget that Sephiroth is the strongest NPC, please.

Nuh uh cause you play as Sephiroth in that one part sort of!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:44:21 PM | message detail
He's not a good guy, though.

There are a bunch of 'might as well' Nintendo NPCs that are good guys and pretty strong...it's just that they happen to be playable in Mario Parties and Mario Sports and such.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:45:46 PM | message detail
I don't wanna start with Kirby, but um.....using your point, that means Kairi has a chance after all, anyways.

I'm not the one using 'importance' to gauge popularity. If you want to use it, fine, Ocelot's got plenty of it.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/28/2006 3:45:46 PM | message detail
Ah, I misunderstood the context of the "good" part...bah. Carry on.
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NewLib | Posted 8/28/2006 3:46:05 PM | message detail
After RE2, Claire was more popular than Leon.

Leon didnt become more popular than Claire and in turn every other RE character until after RE4 where he was a complete badass.


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TheFreeshooter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:47:13 PM | message detail
The thing is... most popular good guy NPC's eventually become playable... Someone like Zero probably would have been the strongest, but then he became playable. I'm sure there's somebody I'm forgetting though. Jecht???
Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 3:49:11 PM | message detail
I'm not the one using 'importance' to gauge popularity. If you want to use it, fine, Ocelot's got plenty of it.

Well, using your point Tidus/Auron, SFF wants to speak to you.

Then, probably proceed to kill Auron. :(
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/28/2006 3:50:12 PM | message detail
Can someone inform me whether or not Riku is playable or so?
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/28/2006 3:51:02 PM | message detail
The thing is... most popular good guy NPC's eventually become playable

Indeed they do. Kairi, however, is not popular.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:51:33 PM | message detail
Riku is playable in Chain of Memories -- he's literally got an entire game devoted to him (as in you play as him roughly as much as you do Sora).
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/28/2006 3:51:34 PM | message detail
Can someone inform me whether or not Riku is playable or so?

Apparently, playing as Riku is the best part of Chain of Memories.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/28/2006 3:52:40 PM | message detail
Is Kairi in all three KH games?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/28/2006 3:52:57 PM | message detail
Oh, well, that says a lot about his popularity then.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:53:12 PM | message detail
Riku is the best part of CoM. Sora's still in his KH1 personality phase while Riku is just pure badass, not to mention he wields the Soul Eater instead of a dumb looking key and has the ability to go SSJ and turn into Dark Riku, where his sleights are phenomenally powerful and fun to use.

It's the reason he's one of my all-time favorite characters, and is higher than even post-KH2 Sora.
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Tediz247 | Posted 8/28/2006 3:54:02 PM | message detail
Kairi's kind of in CoM, but that ventures into spoiler territory for KH2.
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 3:54:16 PM | message detail
Uh..in CoM. According to Wiki, yeah...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 3:54:43 PM | message detail
*minor CoM spoilers*

Kairi is *not* in CoM, by the by, but she is a centerpiece of conversation and plot points.

To expand...CoM is where Namine was introduced. You can probably see why Kairi has some importance from that if you've finished KH2.
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 3:55:26 PM | message detail
*Is still wondering why he hasn't played KH yet. X_x*

*Needs too...*
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/28/2006 4:00:37 PM | message detail
So, Peach and Kairi are somewhat comparable?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 4:02:53 PM | message detail
...no. Peach has things like SMB2, Mario Sports, SSBM, things where she is popular and playable backing her up, at least somewhat. But aside from that...I guess they're somewhat comparable in how irrelevant they are. Except Peach has been far more iconic and a centerpiece of Mario games from the beginning. Your objective is always to save her (OMG SPOILERS).

Kairi is just kinda...there, most of the time.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 4:04:12 PM | message detail
Although if you wanted to go in-depth into the plot you could make a case for Kairi as opposed to Peach there...but Mario doesn't really have a plot, so there's really little comparison there.
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