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Kyle Bowen | Posted 8/28/2006 10:54:44 AM | message detail
You're messing with all the numbers to give Squall a narrow victory, still ignoring SFF, bracket votes and hype.

I didn't "mess" with any of those numbers... those are facts.

And I will stay away from Magus since he does mess things up a bit.

Knuckles
Lost to (2) Solid Snake, 32946 [40.46%] - 48481 [59.54%]

Squall is ~4% stronger than Knuckles...

Add that 4% here and you can see why it might be close...

Add a KHII boost and you might see some of the logic why I think it COULD be much closer than anticapated.

Assuming Snake SFF'd Squall significantly... (which I am in the dark about.. explain why Snake would SFF Squall?) is it that much to suggest a KHII boost wouldn't make a difference?


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XIII_rocks | Posted 8/28/2006 10:56:05 AM | message detail
NewLib hit my feelings exactly.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/28/2006 10:59:58 AM | message detail
In their strength in relation to each other, a lot.

Interestingly, if Ganon is the same distance away from Bowser -- indirectly -- that the match with Sephiroth showed, Ganon is projected go to about dead even with Sonic.

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/28/2006 11:04:21 AM | message detail
We know Samus goes out first. For me, it all depends on the male winner. I think Sonic or Snake have a plausible chance to outlast Mario; they're simply too different from any of the other poll options (especially Snake). At this point, though, the two male favorites are probably Crono and Mega Man. Crono will probably get hit with some SFF from both Cloud and Sephiroth (while Mario will just have to deal with Link), and Mega Man will get hurt badly by Nintendo's two strongest guys.

I say that if anyone wants to really take some chances with the Battle Royal, they should think about taking an underdog as their male champion. Of course, a second option (one that's not currently being discussed) is to consider the fanbase overlap between Zelda and Final Fantasy, of all things. Most of us think it exists, but could it be big enough to help Mario through when we reach the final four competitors?
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Kyle Bowen | Posted 8/28/2006 11:11:41 AM | message detail
Ok... after looking at knuckles stats against Squall and Snake I feel much better about having Snake.

Shew.

Ohh and if Bowser seriously overpreformed... and Squall gets ~45% on Snake... Where would place Squall on the list?

You know I made the overzealous Neo- Noble Nine (tournament top 9) prediction for Squall...

He can't be far off.

KB
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 11:12:28 AM | message detail
Whoa, hold on. Nigh everyone here thinks Snake is going to get a boost? Aside from the fact that it's only a trailer to begin with, any kind of a significant boost and you've got to give him a shot at Mega Man.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/28/2006 11:14:43 AM | message detail
To all the people talking about Vincent's "prominent" role in AC, keep in mind that one of the main arguments of the Kerri > Vincent people last year was that "Vincent is an optional side character".

Take that as you will.


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NewLib | Posted 8/28/2006 11:16:22 AM | message detail
HM, I know. Sonic/GDorf is a toss-up. Right now Im sticking with Sonic mainly because I dont like betting againist the Noble Nine.

I will say this if Vincent beats Ganondorf, he will make it to Crono again.
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 11:17:17 AM | message detail
Lol, between the fact school's starting for me soon (no one cares), and that I haven't filled a bracket that's to my complete confidence, I didn't want to post something and look stupid (even though I always do somehow :( ).

FACT or FICTION: If Claire beats Kairi, she beats Rikku, too.
Claire get 45% on Ryu? Hell, beat Kairi? If Claire was in RE4, I may give complete confidence. Otherwise, then how she's supposed to beat a recurring character in the KH series?!
Fiction.

FACT or FICTION: If Kairi beats Claire, she SFFs her way past Rikku.
I don't see a character like Kairi gettin SFF on Rikku.
Fiction.

FACT or FICTION: Sheena will place above Lloyd in the all-time adjusted standings.
27% on Zero?...I don't even know how Sheena can be stronger than Lloyd, though, apart from being a chosen.
Fiction.

FACT or FICTION: Terra will get over 60% on Kerrigan.
Fiction. Just looking at their previous matches, Terra and Kerrigan would look like one of those matches that you thought would be close, but would give Terra the nod. But, I'd give 55% to Terra at best.

FACT or FICTION: Chun Li has a great chance at winning the Aeon Division.
Hmm...I'm stupid. :( I didn't even know who would between Chun-Li/Kasumi, until I looked into SC2K5's stats and saw Chun-Li got 34% on Bowser. That's good for the division she's in this year.
However, by the Villans Contest stats, Ganon > Bowser, and Yuna did better against Ganon than Chun-Li did against Bowser.
So, Yuna wins, just like I had. Fiction.

FACT or FICTION: Squall will more than double Tidus.
Fact.

FACT or FICTION: Riku will get a higher percentage on Yoshi than Dante.
I..I have Yoshi winning! >:( (Changes that after checking the stats..)
Um....but Fact. Dante does seem to be stronger than Yoshi by far.

FACT or FICTION: Ryu will rSFF Mega Man, avoiding a total beatdown.
Um..sure, fact...(I don't care).

FACT or FICTION: Ganondorf/Vincent will be the closest Round 1 match.
Yep. Fact.

FACT or FICTION: Sub-Zero will beat Master Chief.
What? Where's Sub-Zero been all this time?!
Anyways, Master = Frog, and Frog got 30% on Samus while KOS-MOS got 30.25%....somehow, I don't see Sub-Zero beating that. I'm gonna say Fiction.

FACT or FICTION: Princess Peach will not make it to Round 3.
This is hard. :( I picked Tifa in the end, since she's about Ryu's level, which is knocking on the N9's door, but Peach does have games to boot. For this, I'll say fiction.

FACT or FICTION: The "Sprite Round" will save Aeris from losing to Zelda.
Aeris...looks stronger than Ryu and Tifa. I'd give Aeris the nod either way....but, presuming there IS a Sprite Round, I'll say Fact.

FACT or FICTION: Yuna will be the favorite to win her division (prediction-wise).
....I'll say Fact.

FACT or FICTION: Solid Snake receives a boost.
Fact...

FACT or FICTION: Crono will beat Sonic with a higher percentage than he beat Mega Man last year.
There's really no other way to oppose that. Fact.

FACT or FICTION: The Battle Royale will **** up the leaderboard beyond recognition.
I'll say Fact.

FACT or FICTION: The Triforce division winner will have the lowest prediction percentage out of all the divisions.

FACT or FICTION: Nidoran F will not be the lowest unadjusted character in the X-Stats.

Fact. The Pokemon Nation won't allow it. :p

FACT or FICTION: Squall's ranking will be undervalued after his match with Snake.
Can't say I know what you're talking about. Explain this one.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/28/2006 11:17:54 AM | message detail
I wouldn't dream of taking Snake to win it. Well, ok, I can dream it (and oh boy, what fantastic dreams they would be!), but I'm just saying he probably has the best chance to screw with the Battle Royal. If he can somehow shock Mega Man and Crono/Sonic, he'll at least have a chance to outlast Mario.
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Nai | Posted 8/28/2006 11:18:08 AM | message detail
Sonic > Vincent > Ganondorf, imho

Although Sonic-Vincent may come up as a very close match
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 11:18:12 AM | message detail
To all the people talking about Vincent's "prominent" role in AC, keep in mind that one of the main arguments of the Kerri > Vincent people last year was that "Vincent is an optional side character".

If Vincent had entered the party when Barret did (as in, much eariler and with far more prominence), I'd have expected him to beat Crono. He's that strong *despite* having so little prominence, any additonal prominence should help him that much more.

And while DoC was poorly received, Vincent should still get a nice boost from it, at least from what I've played. Yeah, DMC2 is far better, but the average player won't notice, especially if they don't typically play action games.
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 11:19:10 AM | message detail
Whoa, hold on. Nigh everyone here thinks Snake is going to get a boost? Aside from the fact that it's only a trailer to begin with, any kind of a significant boost and you've got to give him a shot at Mega Man.

I still have Mega Man winning. D:
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 11:20:17 AM | message detail
Oh, by the way, how far do you trust Ganon and Bowser's match against Sephy?

Heh, it shows Ganon's stronger than Bowser to me.
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Big Bob | Posted 8/28/2006 11:21:55 AM | message detail
All right, how bad a SFF beating does Daisy get?
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 11:21:57 AM | message detail
Oops, I didn't finish this..

FACT or FICTION: The Triforce division winner will have the lowest prediction percentage out of all the divisions.


Yes.
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 11:22:38 AM | message detail
All right, how bad a SFF beating does Daisy get?

I'll say like 10%.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 11:24:01 AM | message detail
All right, how bad a SFF beating does Daisy get?

*I* will vote for Daisy in that match based on a few things, especially her role in Mario Kart: Double Dash ("Hi I'm Daisy!").

That being said, it's going to be BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD. We're talking 85%+ minimum.
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 11:24:02 AM | message detail
Although Sonic-Vincent may come up as a very close match

Well, Sonic's practically equal to Mega Man if you look at the SC2K5 stats. I just don't see Vincent taking down Megaman.
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 11:25:02 AM | message detail
Woah, hold on...if we're taking about how much Peach gets on Daisy overall...I'll say 87%.
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Janus5000 | Posted 8/28/2006 11:25:10 AM | message detail
FICTION: If Claire beats Kairi, she beats Rikku, too.
FICTION: If Kairi beats Claire, she SFFs her way past Rikku.
FACT: Sheena will place above Lloyd in the all-time adjusted standings.
FACT: Terra will get over 60% on Kerrigan.
FICTION: Chun Li has a great chance at winning the Aeon Division.
FICTION: Squall will more than double Tidus.
FICTION: Riku will get a higher percentage on Yoshi than Dante.
FICTION: Ryu will rSFF Mega Man, avoiding a total beatdown.
FICTION: Ganondorf/Vincent will be the closest Round 1 match.
FICTION: Sub-Zero will beat Master Chief.
FICTION: Princess Peach will not make it to Round 3.
FICTION: The "Sprite Round" will save Aeris from losing to Zelda.
FACT: Yuna will be the favorite to win her division (prediction-wise).
FACT: Squall's ranking will be undervalued after his match with Snake.
FACT: Solid Snake receives a boost.
FICTION: Crono will beat Sonic with a higher percentage than he beat Mega Man last year.
FICTION: The Battle Royale will **** up the leaderboard beyond recognition.
FICTION: The Triforce division winner will have the lowest prediction percentage out of all the divisions.
FACT: Nidoran F will not be the lowest unadjusted character in the X-Stats.
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 11:31:26 AM | message detail
Uh..I wanna say I'm interested in the Contest Crew if there are any spots. :(
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NewLib | Posted 8/28/2006 11:33:32 AM | message detail
I kill to have Carmen Sandiego and Aeris switched. We still get Zelda/Aeris plus we get Carmen where her unpredictability can have an effect. Can she beat Marle?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 11:35:45 AM | message detail
Zelda/Aeris that early is just wrong, plus I really don't think Carmen could even put up much of a fight against Marle. CT fans strike me as being the type to vote for anything in a contest setting, I mean Lavos only did 5% worse against Liquid Snake than Frog did. LAVOS.

Marle could trash a lot of the middle seeded females with ease.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/28/2006 11:37:49 AM | message detail
When the bracket first came out I had Claire > Kairi, then everyone acting as though it was a lock that Kairi would beat Claire convinced me to change it, but you know what, screw you guys, I'm sticking with Claire.

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NewLib | Posted 8/28/2006 11:39:58 AM | message detail
Also if Tingle is not fodder to end all fodder, I demand either Epona or Midna make it next year. These two could be midcarders!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 11:40:11 AM | message detail
I don't know why you even listen to the board EC, it seems every single time you start questioning things you invariably end up wrong. =/
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/28/2006 11:40:50 AM | message detail
Carmen could trash alot of the middle seeded females as well.

I'd take Carmen over Jade, Kasumi, Sheena and perhaps even Ada


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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/28/2006 11:41:55 AM | message detail
And I can't see Claire coming close to beating Kairi. Or are you guys forgetting the ferocity of the Square fanbase?


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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 11:43:27 AM | message detail
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xp1337 | Posted 8/28/2006 11:44:09 AM | message detail
Also if Tingle is not fodder to end all fodder, I demand either Epona or Midna make it next year. These two could be midcarders!

If Tingle gets any votes at all, I'm calling shenanigans.

...Well, in a perfect world...

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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 11:45:43 AM | message detail
About Kairi and Claire, Claire's not in RE4, is she? Kairi's a recurring character in the KH Series. How can she not beat Claire?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 11:48:16 AM | message detail
Jill's not in RE4, but I'd take her to beat Kairi with ease. It just depends on how strong you think Claire is comparatively, in my opinion.

She's already starting from a disadvantage since I've suspected Tidus' 2k2 ranking is illegtimate due to the poll being down during Sonic's best time in their match. Plus, it's a 2k2 ranking...it's hard to take it seriously in 2k6.

Still, Kairi is not anything close to a lock. If Claire verified that kind of strength today, that match is as good as done.
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creativename | Posted 8/28/2006 11:49:50 AM | message detail
Also if Tingle is not fodder to end all fodder, I demand either Epona or Midna make it next year.

I've long thought Epona would be a high-end lowcarder actually.

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Nai | Posted 8/28/2006 11:50:32 AM | message detail
I've just finished to fill out my predictions... Would you help a bit with these R1 matches?


Ada Wong vs Jade - I'd say Ada Wong... RE fanbase should pull her to a quite easy win.

KOS-MOS vs Amy Rose - I have Amy for now, but I'm pretty unsure here... I can't guess how popular Amy is besides Sonic players =/

Joanna Dark vs Cortana - I didn't even know who Cortana was. I read it's the second character from Halo, but I don't think a character from Halo besides Master Chief has any chance against a popular character like Joanna Dark.

Phoenix Wright vs Gordan Freeman - I'm sticking with GFNW, so PW gets the win in my bracket.

Kratos vs Ryu - I'm pretty sure for Ryu here...

Luigi vs Zero - This may end up very close... Luigi for me now, but it may change soon =/


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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/28/2006 11:51:50 AM | message detail
Plus, it's a 2k2 ranking...it's hard to take it seriously in 2k6.

Exactly. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but having boobs in 2K2 helped. A lot.
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_Archvile_ | Posted 8/28/2006 11:53:06 AM | message detail
Ada Wong
KOS-MOS
Joanna Dark
Gordan Freeman
Ryu
Zero
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Tai | Posted 8/28/2006 11:53:23 AM | message detail
Jill's been in more games than Claire, of course I'd give Jill more confidence too. But, it's not Jill; it's Claire who's fighting Kairi, and either way, neither RE character's been in a game since 2003. Kairi's part of one of the best games to come out in 2006.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 11:57:09 AM | message detail
Jill - Resident Evil, Resident Evil 3, REmake
Claire - Resident Evil 2, Resident Evil: Code Veronica

Jill's game resume isn't quite so different from Claire's...she happens to actually *the* main character in RE3, which helps a lot, but Claire is one of the main characters in RE2, which is the second most popular RE after RE4.

Of course, Jill is obviously much more popular due to a variety of reasons, such as her being first, being iconic, and being altogether more assertive and strong-willed than her more 'normal' counterpart...but Claire ain't so bad. Despite Ada being in RE4 I'd give the favor to Claire in a match between the two...though whether you think Ada could take Kairi is up to you...
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/28/2006 12:01:58 PM | message detail
People expecting a Snake boost are going to be very dissapointed once the bracket starts up... there's no reason for him to boost because of a trailer that was released at E3, many months ago.

And while DoC was poorly received, Vincent should still get a nice boost from it, at least from what I've played. Yeah, DMC2 is far better, but the average player won't notice, especially if they don't typically play action games.

Wow... DoC must have really sucked.

*I* will vote for Daisy in that match based on a few things, especially her role in Mario Kart: Double Dash ("Hi I'm Daisy!").

I know it was good enough for me !!

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GavHarrison316 | Posted 8/28/2006 12:07:49 PM | message detail
Daisy kicks ass and takes names!
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/28/2006 12:13:28 PM | message detail
I'm also going with Celes > The Boss... from the second I picked it, I felt terrible about it, and even though it could go either way, if I went with The Boss and Celes one, I'd be pissed at myself, I can't say the same if I picked Celes and The Boss won.

Moving on to the Battle Royal.... hmph, I'm so confused it's not even funny, the only thing I have set in stone is Samus coming in last, and Link in first. Right now it looks like:

Samus > Crono > Mario > Cloud > Seph > Link

I feel like Crono could go anywhere from 5th to 3rd, Seph 5th to 2nd, Mario 5th or 4th, and Cloud 2nd or 3rd.... god it's annoying as hell.

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XIII_rocks | Posted 8/28/2006 12:17:48 PM | message detail
Oh btw, I'd love to be on the contest crew. >_> Wednesday is my two year GameFAQs anniversary.

Yay credentials! >_>
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/28/2006 12:18:35 PM | message detail
The next time I see someone post about wanting to be on the analysis crew I'm going to kill a kitten.

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XIII_rocks | Posted 8/28/2006 12:20:44 PM | message detail
Please put me on the analysis crew.

Puppies > Kittens
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/28/2006 12:21:46 PM | message detail
Seriously though, everyone asking to get on it isn't going to get them on it, it's just annoying and kind of pathetic.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/28/2006 12:21:47 PM | message detail
I AM the Analysis Crew!

*works self into a frenzy*

*gets tuckered out*

*goes beddy-bye*
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.....I love you.

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XIII_rocks | Posted 8/28/2006 12:22:57 PM | message detail
I'm not begging for it, as I know I realistically have no chance, but I just want my request noted. It would be awesome.
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GavHarrison316 | Posted 8/28/2006 12:29:38 PM | message detail
If I win I will roffle and strut.
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