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MnMZero | Posted 8/27/2006 8:31:43 PM | message detail
Wouldn't that mean Big Boss is The Boss' ceiling?

;)

Although I have to add that Big Boss is underrated in the stats due to being behind Ganon and Samus. But yeah, bottom line is that I'm not expecting much out of The Boss. Enough that Celes actually has a chance. I re-iterate that it has nothing to do with believing that Celes has strength, so you guys can stop with the "overrating FFVI characters" thing. I just have little faith in The Boss.
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cyko | Posted 8/27/2006 8:33:52 PM | message detail
ok, for Celes vs. The Boss, keep in mind that Terra scored the same on Dante as Big Boss did on Auron. that means that the two variables are:

- how well would Auron do against Dante?

-- how does The Boss stack up against Big Boss?

i do think that Auron would beat Dante, but not by as much as Vincent did. that makes Big Boss a bit more popular than Terra. i repeat that Celes and Terra are probably going to perform very similarly. therfore, if The Boss is almost as popular as or more popular than Big Boss, then The Boss wins. but if Big Boss is quite a bit more poular than The Boss, then Celes wins.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/27/2006 8:33:55 PM | message detail
I don't remember any Dante/Terra debates, but I do remember Kerri/VV debates. THOSE were insane XD


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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/27/2006 8:34:18 PM | message detail
I'm just wondering who'll be stronger: The Boss or Big Boss?

I would expect The Boss to be more popular by a bit. If the two are just getting their popularity from MGS3, I would certainly give her the favor. From what I have seen, The Boss is much preferred of the two. I also don't expect Celes to be more popular than Terra...at all.

I have far more confidence in The Boss than I do another FF6 character, even they're both disgustingly weak.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/27/2006 8:35:09 PM | message detail
So we have a new angle, in which we have to decide who wins between Auron and Dante...


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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/27/2006 8:35:15 PM | message detail
It's because Lucid, fresh off of second place in the Villains Contest, spearheaded the entire thing. He also had help from RPGuy and his hero:villain ratios.

But Celes and her 20 fans are really overestimating her. If you look at the debates, everything banks on The Boss being weak. I've never had faith in "I hope my opponent is weak enough to allow me to win" rather than "I'm strong enough to win on my own".... if that makes any sense.

I really do hope I'm wrong, because Celes has been my favorite FF female for years. She's the only FF chick I bothered nominating. But I just... really don't see how she can pull it off. Few people actually care about her with the fervor you need to have for these contests, and the whole "Who is the main character of FF6?" debates don't really start until the World of Ruin, which everyone hates anyway.

Now with that said, I dare anyone to tell me that MGS3 isn't one of the most touching moments in the history of gaming. I want Celes to win as much as anyone, but there's no WAY she competes with that game's ending. I mean I'd like to be wrong, but... damn. MGS3's ending makes me choke up just thinking about it. Seriously. Has there ever been a bigger example of loyalty?

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/27/2006 8:37:19 PM | message detail
It's kinda unfair, but would anyone who's already said "yes" object to it? As long as no one has started their write-ups yet.

If you think it's a good idea, go for it. I'm not sure if any of us would volunteer to step down, but I'd live with being replaced via ballot or random drawing or something. I do think Soul should have immunity, though; winning the last one should count for something.
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MnMZero | Posted 8/27/2006 8:39:25 PM | message detail
I still haven't beaten MGS3 yet, so please don't spoil it for me. I haven't been gaming at all since I moved and started my job. Still getting my apartment settled. I'll beat it before the bracket locks though! Maybe that will change my mind...
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Redtooth | Posted 8/27/2006 8:39:40 PM | message detail
Would Jade count as French? Cause that would be very cool. =D

And about this crew thing, I'm sure it's nice to have the name attached to your writing or whatever, but if you're analysis is interesting, funny or otherwise important, then people will see it anyways. No use fussing over where you write it, as long as it's written =P.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/27/2006 8:39:47 PM | message detail
As a MGS3 fan, I barely even associate Big Boss to a certain character since you only find out about it in the game's ending (if you never heard the rumors first, that is). I associate much better feelings with the name of a certain character than I do Big Boss...and even then, I think I prefer The Boss to a certain character.

Spoiler-free, bay-bee.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/27/2006 8:40:31 PM | message detail
128-BIT ERA

Jade
Rikku
Kairi
The Boss
Sheena Fujibayashi
KOS-MOS
Yuna
Cortana
Alyx Vance
Soma Cruz
Tidus
Riku
Dante
Sora
Phoenix Wright
Kratos
Axel
Auron
Master Chief


Erm...

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cyko | Posted 8/27/2006 8:40:35 PM | message detail
Has there ever been a bigger example of loyalty?


SUIKODEN V SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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watch the scene where Georg Prime has to kill the Queen of Falena........

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now, THAT was intense. man. wow.

although, i did catch the ending of MGS3 and that was also pretty good. i didn't play the game. but after following most of the game's story, that was impressive.

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HaRRicH | Posted 8/27/2006 8:41:27 PM | message detail
MM, if you do redo the Analysis Crew, send me an e-mail please.
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Lopen | Posted 8/27/2006 8:42:33 PM | message detail
It's kinda unfair, but would anyone who's already said "yes" object to it? As long as no one has started their write-ups yet

I've already got one vote for my awesomeness! Cut them!

... what? Okay, whatever. Retool away if you want.
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/27/2006 8:44:14 PM | message detail
I also think that The Boss would be favored more than Big Boss to MGS3 fans. I wouldn't go as far as to say that Big Boss is The Boss' floor, but I'm betting there's a good chance she's stronger than him. Ocelot would be the ceiling though, definitely.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/27/2006 8:44:51 PM | message detail
The smiliarities between The Boss and Big Boss begin and end at their names.

No one looked at the old guy with the eyepatch last year and went, "WHOA! He's the guy from MGS3!" They just didn't. If you think they did, you're wrong.


Or you and your ridiculous absolutes are wrong. I voted for Big Boss last year because of MGS3, and I'm sure there were others as well.

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charmander6000 | Posted 8/27/2006 8:44:58 PM | message detail
The only problem I had with the Analysis Crew was that there were times where I didn't have enough time to read each and every analysis. If I was really pressed for time I would just read Moltar's and skim through the rest. Had everyone posted their analysis at different times I'd probably would've been able to read them all like I did with Steve and jon, just to name a few.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 8/27/2006 8:45:20 PM | message detail
Terra would be expected to get about 43% on Ocelot. I don't think The Boss could match that, and I think Celes is comparable to Terra. There's my reasoning for that match in a nutshell.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/27/2006 8:46:56 PM | message detail
but I'd live with being replaced via ballot or random drawing or something.

at first I read that as via ballroom dancing or random dartboard throwing. Needless to say I read it very quickly.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/27/2006 8:47:01 PM | message detail
So we have a new angle, in which we have to decide who wins between Auron and Dante...

which Auron would win, easily.
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/27/2006 8:48:49 PM | message detail
Terra would be expected to get about 43% on Ocelot.

Ok, I definitely don't think that it would be that close. I'd take Ocelot with at least 60%.
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 8/27/2006 8:49:12 PM | message detail
Oddsmakers: What shot do these "upsets" (upsets are based on what I detect to be the board's general opinion, not seeding) have of happening (my answers in parentheses).

Claire>Kairi (10%)
Celes>The Boss (25%)
Amy Rose>KOS-MOS (30%)
Cortana>Joanna (15%)
Riku>Yoshi (0%)
PW>GFNW (0%)
VV>Ganon (30%)
Luigi>Zero (65%)
Alucard>Auron (0%)
Sub-Zero>MC (1%)
Jill>Peach (20%)
Dante>Yoshi (35%)
Ganon>Sonic (30%)
Kirby>Luigi/Zero (15%)
Bowser>Crono (4%)
MC (Sub-Zero)>Auron (Alucard) (4%)
Aeris>Zelda (15%)
Chun-Li>Yuna (5%)
Yoshi>Snake (5%, goes to 30% if the Wii and SMG manage to come out before the match)
Luigi/Kirby/Zero>Sonic/Ganon/VV (1%)
Snake>Mega Man (5%)
Sonic/Ganon/VV/Luigi/Kirby/Zero>Crono (35%)
Mega Man/Snake>Crono/Sonic/Ganon/etc (50%)
Male Winner>Samus (60% since I have MM winning)

Wow, that took me a while.
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Lopen | Posted 8/27/2006 8:50:21 PM | message detail
I played MGS3, and it did nothing for my perception of Big Boss. Any MGS3 boost goes to Solid Snake in my eyes. Big Boss is still just that guy that they mention in cutscenes and such...
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MnMZero | Posted 8/27/2006 8:53:12 PM | message detail
Every MGS3 fan isn't going to vote for Big Boss due to Naked Snake, but there are plenty that will. That's all I wanted to point out. A good deal of Big Boss's votes probably did come from MGS3 fans.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/27/2006 9:02:42 PM | message detail
Right, I'll agree with you...but I really don't think the people who are voting for Big Boss for reasons other than MGS3 will match the number of people who prefer The Boss to Big Boss in general, no matter where Big Boss's true strength should be at.
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/27/2006 9:02:52 PM | message detail
Claire>Kairi (25%)
Celes>The Boss (45%)
Amy Rose>KOS-MOS (15%)
Cortana>Joanna (10%)
Riku>Yoshi (2%)
PW>GFNW (0.1%)
VV>Ganon (38%)
Luigi>Zero (40%)
Alucard>Auron (2%)
Sub-Zero>MC (4%)
Jill>Peach (35%)
Dante>Yoshi (43%)
Ganon>Sonic (25%)
Kirby>Luigi/Zero (68%)
Bowser>Crono (0.01%)
MC (Sub-Zero)>Auron (Alucard) (12%)
Aeris>Zelda (30%)
Chun-Li>Yuna (15%)
Yoshi>Snake (0.01%)
Luigi/Kirby/Zero>Sonic/Ganon/VV (0.001%)
Snake>Mega Man (18%)
Sonic/Ganon/VV/Luigi/Kirby/Zero>Crono (15%)
Mega Man/Snake>Crono/Sonic/Ganon/etc (20%)
Male Winner>Samus (20%)

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/27/2006 9:05:15 PM | message detail
With the Phoenix website being rallied for, anyone see GF losing now?
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/27/2006 9:06:50 PM | message detail
I never saw Freeman losing and I doubt there would be anything to convince me otherwise. Phoenix is going to be absolute bottom of the barrel fodder.

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Pikawil100 | Posted 8/27/2006 9:08:15 PM | message detail
With the Phoenix website being rallied for, anyone see GF losing now?

I always said that Freeman would lose in this match and now, I see the site being an bigger threat.
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/27/2006 9:13:42 PM | message detail
Looks like Phoenix/Gordon is going to be another test of the rallying factor.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/27/2006 9:13:50 PM | message detail
Wait, what site is this?

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Draco1214 | Posted 8/27/2006 9:14:56 PM | message detail
The Objection site.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/27/2006 9:16:41 PM | message detail
That fad could die down before this match comes though. We all know the logevity of message board fads...


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HaRRicH | Posted 8/27/2006 9:16:54 PM | message detail
http://objection.mrdictionary.net/phoenixneedsyou.php

Which, by the way, is much smaller than, say, www.diabloii.net or HBO. It's barely even on its front page, and you have to click a link to see why "Phoenix Wright Needs YOU!".
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/27/2006 9:17:26 PM | message detail
Haha. Cool.

Yeah, that could give PW a good boost, especially because it's hitting a million Objections, must be at least a good 100K different people using the site at least once.


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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/27/2006 9:18:23 PM | message detail
From WiggumFan267 Posted 8/28/2006 12:17:26 AM #235
Yeah, that could give PW a good boost, especially because it's hitting a million Objections, must be at least a good 100K different people using the site at least once.

...

I'm not even going to bother.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/27/2006 9:18:32 PM | message detail
I wouldn't put much stock into that site doing much for Phoenix.

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Draco1214 | Posted 8/27/2006 9:18:50 PM | message detail
Which, by the way, is much smaller than, say, www.diabloii.net or HBO. It's barely even on its front page, and you have to click a link to see why "Phoenix Wright Needs YOU!".

Even if it is smaller, Objection played a part in Phoenix getting a 4 seed on the male side of the bracket. Now compare that to characters that had only Board 8 support like Captain Falcon and...yeah.
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Janus5000 | Posted 8/27/2006 9:20:25 PM | message detail
Objection didn't do anything for Wrighto's seed.

How many people do you think made an account just so they could nominate Phoenix Wright?
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/27/2006 9:20:40 PM | message detail
The board alone also, what, doubled CF's nominations...and I could possibly see casuals nominating PW more than CF this contest. Did Objection have a link up asking people to nominate PW?
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/27/2006 9:21:25 PM | message detail
Did Objection have a link up asking people to nominate PW?

Yes, they did.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/27/2006 9:28:31 PM | message detail
I just mean that there are a lot of people on thi ssite.... and I admit I guess, that it really won't help that much, I forgot to realize most people who visit there probably already know about it, my bad.

But, it'll help a little.

Anyway, I'm comfortable just sticking with GFNW, and leave it at that. Something will happen. I just hope the fact that his game sells out everywhere is the factor.


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shadow8021 | Posted 8/27/2006 9:30:09 PM | message detail
What are the chances that Snake upsets MM and Sonic upsets Crono? I'm worried about this quartet...
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/27/2006 9:32:00 PM | message detail
This match goes against all logic. On the one hand, Gordon should win this match based on HL2, and PW being pretty damn cult.

On the other hand, GFNW exists for a reason.


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marioinblack | Posted 8/27/2006 9:32:29 PM | message detail
Who do you think takes the Auron/Alucard/MC/Sub-Zero fourpack?

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Draco1214 | Posted 8/27/2006 9:33:46 PM | message detail
The fact of the matter is this:

This match is a Gordon Freeman match. Logic need not apply here.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/27/2006 9:34:25 PM | message detail
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marioinblack | Posted 8/27/2006 9:35:23 PM | message detail
I think Pheonix will win. Gordon will get a fair share of anti-votes, and Pheonix will have the objection backing (by how much we'll have to see).

I think Gordon's anti-votes will knock him out in round one.

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creativename | Posted 8/27/2006 9:37:01 PM | message detail
RPGuy:
Terra would be expected to get about 43% on Ocelot. I don't think The Boss could match that, and I think Celes is comparable to Terra. There's my reasoning for that match in a nutshell.

Yeah...that's also why I am highly inclined to switch to Celes. I initially had Celes for similar reasons, but after reading some reactions my perceptions changed to The Boss being the safer pick.

But really, I have so little faith in The Boss having any strength. Terra is weak, but if you think about it, The Boss doesn't have much reason to be significantly stronger than Terra.


Janus:
Objection didn't do anything for Wrighto's seed.

I don't know how you can say this...he'd be on no one's radar if it wasn't for that fad.

The "needs you" page will do nothing, but the fad itself is obviously a big reason why he made it at all.

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HaRRicH | Posted 8/27/2006 9:37:13 PM | message detail
This is the first time I've ever heard of Gordon Freeman receiving anti-votes.

Heh...yay, I guess?
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