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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 350

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transience | Posted 8/27/2006 7:20:15 PM | message detail
and you're telling me that's what you want to add to the crew? :) sometimes I think the analysis crew goes way too far and writes 500 words for a match that isn't even worth debating, but at the same time you want to have some content there.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/27/2006 7:23:28 PM | message detail
Yeah, people care faaaaaaaaar too much about being on the analysis crew, you can still write your own and post them alongside theirs if you really want to. The only two people I think that are notable omissions from the crew is MM and KH, simply because I enjoy reading pretty much everything they write up.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/27/2006 7:24:33 PM | message detail
Also, I totally owe you guys a video of me hitting myself in the balls with a hammer for Rinoa not getting into the contest.... I probably shouldn't have mentioned that, huh?

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Master Moltar | Posted 8/27/2006 7:24:34 PM | message detail
I also prefer a 5 or 7 person Crew, but there's just so many people I want on...
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/27/2006 7:25:44 PM | message detail
sometimes I think the analysis crew goes way too far and writes 500 words for a match that isn't even worth debating, but at the same time you want to have some content there.

Totally agreed. For the most part, I don't think you need to go further than a broad paragraph...but it depends, of course.



Something that I thought about: I think it's interesting we're the only "band" of people who do analyses...I'm surprised nobody else on the board collected afew people and made their own version, and even go so far as to compare how they do to how we do.
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transience | Posted 8/27/2006 7:26:55 PM | message detail
I'd say to take people you trust. if you know they'll get the job done, you won't have to worry.

and yeah, charmander does his own every contest and that's cool by me. it seems like some people view being on the analysis crew as some sort of status symbol, kinda like how people want to make stats topics. anyone can make a topic and write about the bracket.
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Samurai7 | Posted 8/27/2006 7:27:16 PM | message detail
You guys should do a team contest of stat topic regs vrs non stat topic regs >.>
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/27/2006 7:27:17 PM | message detail

Something that I thought about: I think it's interesting we're the only "band" of people who do analyses...I'm surprised nobody else on the board collected afew people and made their own version, and even go so far as to compare how they do to how we do.


I'm not too surprised. The rest of the board doesn't seem to care that much about the contest, strangely enough. They'll whine about it, but they'll rarely want to get too in depth.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/27/2006 7:29:01 PM | message detail
I read every single write-up charmander makes, I can't say the same for the analysis crew, though I always do check out at least a few, and Lopen's was always in there last contest.

And HaRR better use the Top 100 list in every single on of his write-ups again this year, every time I saw it I laughed.

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transience | Posted 8/27/2006 7:29:39 PM | message detail
I don't think he can - games != characters! HRRH's writeups are so screwed
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/27/2006 7:29:43 PM | message detail
I also prefer a 5 or 7 person Crew, but there's just so many people I want on...

I do too, almost even if it's at my expense. I know with what's coming up in the future for me, I could stand to step down.....
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/27/2006 7:30:54 PM | message detail
I did my own little analysis topic last year, and I like to hope that at least a few people actually read it. I'd like to be on the crew because it pretty much guarentees that the board will be reading what you write.


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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/27/2006 7:31:27 PM | message detail
Personally, I think you should assemble a five person Dream Team of people who think differently enough that it'll always be interesting to read the write-ups. I honestly only skimmed through the write-ups last year, even on the debated matches, simply because there were too many and they tended to all agree. With 5 people that don't think the same way often, you'll get different picks and you'll get different avenues of arriving at the same picks.
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transience | Posted 8/27/2006 7:32:28 PM | message detail
for me personally, I already know what everyone is gonna say because I spend so much time in here with the crew. I'll skim through it usually and read it on a match I'm anticipating, but usually I know how everyone is going to side.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/27/2006 7:33:25 PM | message detail
for me personally, I already know what everyone is gonna say because I spend so much time in here with the crew. I'll skim through it usually and read it on a match I'm anticipating, but usually I know how everyone is going to side.

Yeah, that happens too. There's no real way to prevent that though.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/27/2006 7:33:44 PM | message detail
If I had to put together a 5 person analysis crew, it'd probably consist of Lopen, KH, MM, HM and yoblazer. I always find myself enjoying their write-ups the most. Notable omission goes to Leon!

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/27/2006 7:34:43 PM | message detail
If I had to put together a 5 person analysis crew, it'd probably consist of Lopen, KH, MM, HM and yoblazer. I always find myself enjoying their write-ups the most. Notable omission goes to Leon!

I can't tell if you're referring to me or Master Moltar because you still insist on calling me by some name that has no association with me.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/27/2006 7:34:55 PM | message detail
I don't think he can - games != characters! HRRH's writeups are so screwed

Beat me to it.


He he he, I may still be able to throw out afew mentions of it.....
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It still hurts to be rear-ended like that.....
Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/27/2006 7:35:35 PM | message detail
Although I guess you wouldn't be referring to Moltar since it's his crew so he'd obviously be in. So thanks. Now start calling me Adept of Aiur or AoA or something equally Adepty.
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transience | Posted 8/27/2006 7:35:45 PM | message detail
do it!

well, Dante's game came in at #53 while Mario 3 got #5 and....
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/27/2006 7:36:02 PM | message detail
I can't tell if you're referring to me or Master Moltar because you still insist on calling me by some name that has no association with me.

You baby!

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/27/2006 7:40:04 PM | message detail
You baby!

hawt
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/27/2006 7:40:28 PM | message detail
And let me just add that I think I'd do a much better job than Invlado >_>


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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/27/2006 7:41:47 PM | message detail
Inviso & Vlado being on the crew was the biggest sham in the history of these contests.

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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/27/2006 7:44:12 PM | message detail
Bad enough that it was the first contest I was here.

Left a real bad impression of the crew in my mind. I still remember arguing with Inviso in that topic, and I was a contest newbie. It might've been the finals where she was saying that Mario will lose because he "has no personality" or some junk.


TuRtLe
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MnMZero | Posted 8/27/2006 7:45:15 PM | message detail
A lot of the crew agreeing in the series contest was circumstantial. There wasn't really a lot of data or indications of what to expect. It's totally different with the character contest. Seeing already, there are quite a bit of swing matches in this contest, just as there was in the past contest. I doubt you'll see too many consensus picks in the debatable matches.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 8/27/2006 7:46:41 PM | message detail
It'll be one less if I'm on the crew >_>

Celes > The Boss, yo


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MnMZero | Posted 8/27/2006 7:51:59 PM | message detail
I'm not so keen on The Boss myself... <_<; Plus I think Celes will be a bit stronger than Terra was, by virtue of actually looking presentable! Plus for as much as Terra supposedly bombed, she still ended up 3% less than Kefka on Link, which was actually what I expected out of her. Only the people screaming "hero-villain proportion!" actually expected something out of her. But still, Terra ends up being high-end fodder... something I expect out of the Boss as well. Celes has a chance.
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WiggumFan267 | Posted 8/27/2006 7:53:35 PM | message detail
I'm siging up again for the Guru contest, btw.


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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/27/2006 7:55:07 PM | message detail
I have The Boss right now, but it has a very good chance of changing.

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cyko | Posted 8/27/2006 7:55:52 PM | message detail
you can still write your own and post them alongside theirs if you really want to.

*shrugs*

that's more or less what i do anyways. if nothing is being discussed before i go to bed or before i go to work, then i post my thoughts about the current or next match. sometimes, i don't have much to say, though, because i try not to repeat what's already been said.

i do enjoy writing stuff, though....... well, when i have the time...... ^_^

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/27/2006 7:56:27 PM | message detail
Some of the "complaints" against us from the last contest do hold water, I'm afraid. There were many of us, and we did tend to agree a LOT, but we did put a ton of effort into the contest. There were days where nearly all of us would churn out character-limit-long analyses, and that's devotion that you really don't see too often. Of course, for those people who preferred shorter write-ups, Ulti and Soul were generally happy to oblige; there's were usually concise.

Also, for those who think we were a bit too long-winded last time, I doubt we'll be quite as wordy this time around. Analyzing two complete series just seems like it would take more work and writing than two characters. Personally, I can't imagine writing as much about any two characters as I did for, say, GTA vs. Warcraft.
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shadow8021 | Posted 8/27/2006 7:57:30 PM | message detail
Why are people debating The Boss/Celes? Do people not know that FF6 character always bomb, and that The Boss is from the highly acclaimed MGS3?

Meanwhile, I am torn on the Snake/MM/Sonic/Crono final four!
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cyko | Posted 8/27/2006 7:57:39 PM | message detail
as for Celes vs. The Boss...... i have no idea what will happen there. i find it extremely unlikely that Celes will perform any different than Terra. however, i am not familiar enough with MGS3 to know how The Boss stacks up against Big Boss in popularity........

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/27/2006 7:58:32 PM | message detail
You can write a ton about characters as soon as you start incorporating past performances and possible reasons for strength changes. Which is usually a big part.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 8/27/2006 7:59:25 PM | message detail
Hey, if you want a grab bag of non-consensus, I'm your DAWG now, MAN!

...why can't I ever stay on topic here? >_<
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/27/2006 7:59:37 PM | message detail
Why are people debating The Boss/Celes? Do people not know that FF6 character always bomb, and that The Boss is from the highly acclaimed MGS3?

Oh yeah, I mean Big Boss who you actually played as in MGS3 didn't totally bomb or anything like that.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 8/27/2006 7:59:59 PM | message detail
Ocelot certainly didn't bomb, either.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/27/2006 8:00:17 PM | message detail
I want to partner with mammerjammer in the oracle.

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cyko | Posted 8/27/2006 8:01:56 PM | message detail
don't forget about Liquid snake!! i'm pretty sure he never bombed either!!!

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/27/2006 8:02:31 PM | message detail
Okay, I say again: You people care about the Crew WAY too much. If you really care about who is in or not, just post a writeup in Moltar's topic or something. The only reason I even care about it being strict is because Moltar does the work of posting everything all by himself.

I swear you people would make a huge issue out of absolutely any minor little thing. It's ridiculous.

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Phediuk | Posted 8/27/2006 8:02:54 PM | message detail
The split between Japanese and non-Japanese characters this contest:

JAPANESE

Samus Aran
Nidoran F
Ada Wong
Rikku
Lenneth Valkyrie
Kairi
Claire Redfield
Tifa Lockheart
Ivy Valentine
The Boss
Celes Chere
Jill Valentine
Sheena Fujibayashi
Princess Peach
Princess Daisy
Zelda
Terra Branford
KOS-MOS
Amy Rose
Aeris
Marle
Yuna
Roll
Chun-Li
Kasumi
Solid Snake
Soma Cruz
Squall Leonheart
Tidus
Riku
Yoshi
Dante
Ryu Hayabusa
Sora
Tingle
Phoenix Wright
Ryu
Mega Man
Axel
Sonic the Hedgehog
CATS
Ganondorf
Vincent Valentine
Kirby
Luigi
Zero
Crono
Captain Falcon
Bowser
Leon Kennedy
Auron
Alucard

NON-JAPANESE

Jade
Carmen Sandiego
Sarah Kerrigan
Joanna Dark
Cortana
Lara Croft
Alyx Vance
Gordon Freeman
Kratos
Prince of Persia
Master Chief
Sub-Zero
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Big Bob | Posted 8/27/2006 8:03:24 PM | message detail
Looks like the universe may be saved after all...

http://objection.mrdictionary.net/phoenixneedsyou.php
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/27/2006 8:03:41 PM | message detail
PoP representin' Canada yo!

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/27/2006 8:03:44 PM | message detail
Okay, I say again: You people care about the Crew WAY too much. If you really care about who is in or not, just post a writeup in Moltar's topic or something. The only reason I even care about it being strict is because Moltar does the work of posting everything all by himself.

I swear you people would make a huge issue out of absolutely any minor little thing. It's ridiculous.


Yep. Totally not because we want to help Moltar make his project more attractive and more accessible to read.
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shadow8021 | Posted 8/27/2006 8:04:01 PM | message detail
Well, first of all, Big Boss was put in a nigh-unwinnable match, and second, I believe the term that most MG fans know him as is "Naked Snake", so there may be some reason as to why he bombed. I'm just not sold on Celes being able to defeat a character from a gaming series like MGS. Auron was easy to understand, because he is the "badass" of the highly acclaimed FFX. Now, I know game's success don't translate all too well here, but I thought the Boss being able to win would be common sense. Oh well, it's not like either will beat Tifa anyway.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/27/2006 8:05:23 PM | message detail
Okay, how would you like to explain Ocelot then?

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/27/2006 8:05:24 PM | message detail
Well, first of all, Big Boss was put in a nigh-unwinnable match, and second, I believe the term that most MG fans know him as is "Naked Snake", so there may be some reason as to why he bombed.

He was known as Big Boss in the first two games (first four if you count the original Metal Gears). He was only called Naked Snake in MGS3.
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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/27/2006 8:05:30 PM | message detail
I'd take Ocelot to beat Terra (who I imagine would be a tad bit stronger than Celes) pretty easily. The Boss will be weaker than Ocelot, but I think she'll still have enough to fall between that gap.
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Phediuk | Posted 8/27/2006 8:06:09 PM | message detail
The complete list of characters who have made every contest:

Samus Aran
Solid Snake
Squall Leonheart
Tidus
Dante
Gordon Freeman
Ryu
Mega Man
Sonic the Hedgehog
CATS
Kirby
Crono
Alucard
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