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cyko | Posted 8/27/2006 1:36:57 PM | message detail
I could say the same thing about Ada Wong, but that doesn't mean she's going to beat Tifa or whoever she's against.



>_>

now, you're just being crazy.

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therealmnm | Posted 8/27/2006 1:37:33 PM | message detail
Aeris has more of a reason to go up in my opinion than Zelda. (this, of course, assumes no TP.) I don't see why Zelda would be any stronger this year than she was the previous year besides a continued Nintendo boost. Aeris at least has things like KH2 and AC.

I actually think Aeris peaked in 2k3. I'm not buying her being much stronger than she was in 2k3. Don't forget that we've recently seen Tifa in the previous contest. Unless you're a fan of Aeris > Tifa, Zelda has shown to be plenty capable of taking out Aeris.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/27/2006 1:37:41 PM | message detail
So HM really thinks Ganondorf will beat Sonic? The same guy who thought Star Ocean would beat Pokemon?

On one hand, we have a match with past data and plenty of reasonable logic as to why Ganon is capable of beating Sonic. On the other, we have a match with data that suggests Pokemon is horrifically weak, no data on Star Ocean, but the potential that Pokemon can be beat by lesser RPGs just fine. Gee, I wonder what's comparable about those two -- nothing for you clever little guys who want to say "You'll be wrong"!!

And to recap my last character battle ...

The same guy who thought Mario would win last year.
The same guy who thought Mario would face Crono and win.
The same guy who thought Vincent would win his division.
The same guy who thought Squall would beat Magus.

(Note: These may not be unique situations where no one else chose them, but some people need to learn what I have done right. ;_;)

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2006 1:38:05 PM | message detail
Hey the match will be close either way. I'm just annoyed when people take hard matches and act like they're mortal locks. You'd think the stats topic getting embarrassed time and time again for doing that would have taught these people something. I know I've stopped doing it.

Cuz' there's no way Bowser could be stronger than Ganondorf, mirite? <_<
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VectorAgent | Posted 8/27/2006 1:39:04 PM | message detail
On one hand, we have a match with past data and plenty of reasonable logic as to why Ganon is capable of beating Sonic. On the other, we have a match with data that suggests Pokemon is horrifically weak, no data on Star Ocean, but the potential that Pokemon can be beat by lesser RPGs just fine. Gee, I wonder what's comparable about those two -- nothing for you clever little guys who want to say "You'll be wrong"!!

And to recap my last character battle ...

The same guy who thought Mario would win last year.
The same guy who thought Mario would face Crono and win.
The same guy who thought Vincent would win his division.
The same guy who thought Squall would beat Magus.

(Note: These may not be unique situations where no one else chose them, but some people need to learn what I have done right. ;_;)


Alright alright, I just wanted to make sure I knew who I was talking about. I put Ganondorf over Sonic too, you know.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/27/2006 1:39:41 PM | message detail
How could Bowser be stronger when they faced the same opponent two days apart from one another? And then there's Zelda > Mario SFF. I seriously don't get it.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/27/2006 1:40:20 PM | message detail
i am saying that it is POSSIBLE for her to beat Rikku based on the fact that we have ZERO match history for Kairi.

Anything may be possible, but you have to consider the probability of it happening. Kairi has essentially a zero percent chance to beat Rikku. She would have to be strength comparable to both Sora and Riku before their KH2 boosts. If you really want to buy that, you're free to.

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Draco1214 | Posted 8/27/2006 1:41:34 PM | message detail
How could Bowser be stronger when they faced the same opponent two days apart from one another? And then there's Zelda > Mario SFF. I seriously don't get it.

Because I'm willing to bet Ganondorf leeches off the Nintendo fanbase more than anyone. He arguably got SFF'd by Samus and that sure as hell doesn't make Ganon look good in any match involving Nintendo SFF.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2006 1:42:12 PM | message detail
How could Bowser be stronger when they faced the same opponent two days apart from one another?

...it's a 1% difference.

And then there's Zelda > Mario SFF. I seriously don't get it.

In order for Ganondorf to be that strong in the first place, you're banking on Metroid > Zelda SFF.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/27/2006 1:43:44 PM | message detail

In order for Ganondorf to be that strong in the first place, you're banking on Metroid > Zelda SFF.


Or ridiculous rSFF of Mario > Metroid, which I buy 100%. Or a combo of the two.

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VectorAgent | Posted 8/27/2006 1:45:26 PM | message detail
Metroid > Zelda SFF

Or just Samus > Ganondorf SFF, which is buyable.
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CHARACTER BATTLE V: Samus Aran > Crono.
Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2006 1:45:27 PM | message detail
Yeah, it's either that or you're thinking Samus is stronger than Mario indirectly. Which I know you don't buy.
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consolefreak | Posted 8/27/2006 1:45:59 PM | message detail
But yeah I'm in no way saying Vincent > Ganondorf is a lock and I do expect it to be close, but I was just baffled for a while there when some people couldn't understand Vincent winning.

Btw, the board as a whole seems to be pretty split:

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=30187051&page=6

Ganon: 24
Vincent: 20
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/27/2006 1:45:59 PM | message detail
In order for Ganondorf to be that strong in the first place, you're banking on Metroid > Zelda SFF.

So?

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cyko | Posted 8/27/2006 1:46:37 PM | message detail
How could Bowser be stronger when they faced the same opponent two days apart from one another?

...it's a 1% difference.

Because I'm willing to bet Ganondorf leeches off the Nintendo fanbase more than anyone. He arguably got SFF'd by Samus and that sure as hell doesn't make Ganon look good in any match involving Nintendo SFF.


i agree with both of these completely. Bowser vs. Ganon could definitely go either way.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/27/2006 1:46:39 PM | message detail
But yeah I'm in no way saying Vincent > Ganondorf is a lock and I do expect it to be close, but I was just baffled for a while there when some people couldn't understand Vincent winning.

I wouldn't really be surprised either way. I might even switch to Vincent just out of liking him a bit more. It's what I always do in close matches.

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steve illumina | Posted 8/27/2006 1:46:48 PM | message detail
Vinny...vinny....vinny...

Yes this will be a nice season...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/27/2006 1:47:33 PM | message detail
So?

You can buy Metroid > Zelda SFF, but you can't envision a Mario character at least avoiding SFF?
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therealmnm | Posted 8/27/2006 1:47:34 PM | message detail
How could Bowser be stronger when they faced the same opponent two days apart from one another? And then there's Zelda > Mario SFF. I seriously don't get it.

Again... 1-2% could be fluctuation alone. Again, everything Zelda doesn't SFF everything Mario. Bowser is a lot more established than Ganon. Even if Ganon is stronger indirectly, I could see a huge chunk of the overlap going towards Bowser. Hell, even a small chunk of the overlap going towards Bowser gives him the win. He certainly isn't going to lose SFF to Ganon...
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/27/2006 1:47:59 PM | message detail
AND LEAVE MY GANON FANBOYISM ALONE GODDAMMIT.

FFD will attest that I'm damn good at the shuffld Electric Foot. There will be no questioning of this.

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steve illumina | Posted 8/27/2006 1:49:22 PM | message detail
Why are there such things as Ganon Fanboys anyway? Nothin to like really about a bloated oinker who cant whoop an elf's ass...
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/27/2006 1:49:48 PM | message detail
Why are there such things as Ganon Fanboys anyway? Nothin to like really about a bloated oinker who cant whoop an elf's ass...

Now, see, you went and crossed the line ...

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/27/2006 1:50:40 PM | message detail
From steve illumina Posted 8/27/2006 4:49:22 PM #471
Why are there such things as Ganon Fanboys anyway? Nothin to like really about a bloated oinker who cant whoop an elf's ass...

SSBM. Ganon in that game is the entire reason I like the purple/black color scheme.

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Master Moltar | Posted 8/27/2006 1:51:01 PM | message detail
Ok for that, I'll never let you on the Crew, steve.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/27/2006 1:51:49 PM | message detail
Why are there such things as Street Fighter fanbots (not an accidental typo) anyway? Nothing to really like about a long-dead series that can't beat SMRPG or Resident Evil...

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/27/2006 1:52:06 PM | message detail
From Master Moltar Posted 8/27/2006 4:51:01 PM #474
Ok for that, I'll never let you on the Crew, steve.

Speaking of which, list?

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steve illumina | Posted 8/27/2006 1:53:29 PM | message detail
Brother Moltar...I apologize! Dont do this to a former Trivia teammate!!!
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/27/2006 1:54:02 PM | message detail
In order for Ganondorf to be that strong in the first place, you're banking on Metroid > Zelda SFF.

When you put that into perspective, it's not too bad!!


As of right now, I would expect Bowser to win against Ganon, if only because any SFF in that match is going to go Bowser's way. Post-TP, however, is another situation entirely, one in which Ganon doesn't have much trouble beating Bowser. Ganon's problem is that he isn't quite at that point to establish himself and gather a fanbase outside of "I like Zelda so I'll vote for Ganon!" Twilight Princess should help establish him more as someone with capable strength even against Nintendo characters, removing that whole leech stuff.

Ganon v. Vincent is just brutal no matter how you slice it. There's enough there to believe that either one can win and it should be a really close match regardless of the winner. Choose your side!!

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steve illumina | Posted 8/27/2006 1:54:30 PM | message detail
SF almost beat RE when hardly anyone thought it would be that close. And no one can say any different. :)
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/27/2006 1:55:03 PM | message detail
Looks like I missed...Rikku/Kairi discussion...Oh wow. It took a boatload of convincing to put Kairi over Claire for me. She's getting rocked against Rikku.

List of Crew members? It's the same as the last Contest (unless someone declines).
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/27/2006 1:55:04 PM | message detail
SSBM.

Actually, Ganon is far, far cooler in the Zelda series than he ever will be in SSB...unless they give him a sword in SSBB. >>

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cyko | Posted 8/27/2006 1:55:31 PM | message detail

Ganon v. Vincent is just brutal no matter how you slice it. There's enough there to believe that either one can win and it should be a really close match regardless of the winner. Choose your side!!

not only that, but there's enough there to believe that either one of them could make a run at Sonic, as well.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/27/2006 1:56:26 PM | message detail
I don't get why he doesn't have a damn sword in SSBM. That one victory pose is such a ****ing tease.

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yoshifan823 | Posted 8/27/2006 1:56:31 PM | message detail
If someone declines, I get the spot.

*Yoshifan*
Heroic Mario | Posted 8/27/2006 1:56:38 PM | message detail
not only that, but there's enough there to believe that either one of them could make a run at Sonic, as well.

Indeed. I'm looking forward to Triforce Ganon plowing right through the whole division!!

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steve illumina | Posted 8/27/2006 1:56:43 PM | message detail
Sonic...that miserable failure who cost me my perfect...

He is going down in the 2nd round. Either Ganon or Vincent will take him out...
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/27/2006 1:57:11 PM | message detail
not only that, but there's enough there to believe that either one of them could make a run at Sonic, as well.

I don't know if I'd go that far, but I certainly wouldn't complain if Sonic actually lost that one.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/27/2006 1:58:24 PM | message detail
I don't get why he doesn't have a damn sword in SSBM. That one victory pose is such a ****ing tease.

Indeed. Way back when I first got the game, I was convinced that you could somehow get Ganon to use that sword through some sort of unlockable or special move or something...

And then Nintendo goes and gives him two swords in The Wind Waker. Sword Ganon for SSBB.

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ObscureMammoth | Posted 8/27/2006 1:58:46 PM | message detail
shffled electric foot is easy. I prefer doing it with Link and his down stab. It's faster.
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steve illumina | Posted 8/27/2006 1:59:55 PM | message detail
If the Crew fails to add me to its ranks, well, I shall just have to out-analyze them all again!
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Masato_Tanaka | Posted 8/27/2006 2:01:15 PM | message detail
Zero should be added to SSBB to further convince me that he will take the Blast Division >_> omg Sonic's infected with the Sigma Virus!
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yoshifan823 | Posted 8/27/2006 2:01:44 PM | message detail
Crono<BOWSAAA!

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Big Bob | Posted 8/27/2006 2:01:53 PM | message detail
This contest will be a real treat for my gut. I've picked a lot of weird upsets...
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transience | Posted 8/27/2006 2:03:13 PM | message detail
are we gonna get a new crew this contest?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/27/2006 2:03:16 PM | message detail
Sub-Zero > MC
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/27/2006 2:03:18 PM | message detail
From ObscureMammoth Posted 8/27/2006 4:58:46 PM #489
shffled electric foot is easy. I prefer doing it with Link and his down stab. It's faster.

Aesthetics goddammit!

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yoshifan823 | Posted 8/27/2006 2:03:23 PM | message detail
Alright, where's the next one???

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XIII_rocks | Posted 8/27/2006 2:03:43 PM | message detail
RE > SF

Anyway, I'm taking Vincent > Bowser to be cool
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/27/2006 2:03:47 PM | message detail
Oct 3rd

Save the universe -- vote for Phoenix Wright!
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/27/2006 2:03:48 PM | message detail
Ganon > Blast Division!!

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