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creativename | Posted 8/26/2006 10:07:58 PM | message detail
Question: Was Jill in Resident Evil 4?

Haste 2:
Why has there been no discussion on Joanna Dark vs. Cortana? Is there any upset potential there?

Once again, that's what I'm thinking. Joanna is pretty weak.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/26/2006 10:08:13 PM | message detail
So, you think Ganon can beat every male, without SFF in the case of Crono, Sonic, and Snake, but you can't take Zelda in a potential rSFF matchup?

If Ganon takes Sonic, he can potentially take Crono and Mega Man without needing too much more to win some tight matches. There is a nice gap between Crono and Samus...then Zelda needs to make up more than Ganon.

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Applekidjosh | Posted 8/26/2006 10:08:55 PM | message detail
I also think Cortana will Xbox SFF Joanna. It feels good to hear I'm not completely alone on that one.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/26/2006 10:09:00 PM | message detail
Question: Was Jill in Resident Evil 4?

Nope. Ada Wong was though.

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dethfdddddh | Posted 8/26/2006 10:09:20 PM | message detail
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Cavalier Lowen | Posted 8/26/2006 10:09:22 PM | message detail
...Alright, you guys take Ganon to win the male bracket, I won't stop you.
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BlastTheSpeaker | Posted 8/26/2006 10:09:23 PM | message detail
The FF6 fanbase is just very ravid and faithful I've come to believe. Too bad it only works in game contests :(
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/26/2006 10:09:56 PM | message detail
Joanna Dark has had Perfect Dark Zero within the past year (for whatever that is worth) and the addition of any potential Nintendo fan votes she may receive in the match thanks to Perfect Dark. She may be weak, but Cortana shouldn't be worth anything either.

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creativename | Posted 8/26/2006 10:11:11 PM | message detail
YoAriel:
The only Nintendo character Samus had faced prior to 2005 was Link, and she held up better than Mario. Mario was coming off a down year; Samus was coming off a great one. Yes, Mario got the SFF and made the match look like a no-brainer, but it certainly wasn't that way from the start.

Yeah...this is really a "duh" thing. Calling Mario>Samus 'obvious' a priori is dumb, no offense ;)

And I still think Final Fantasy X might've been stronger than SSBM at the time with a more neutral pic (say, some Auron action), so that's right out as an obvious Final Four.

Also there's the obvious fact that "obvious" means "obvious" - if it ain't obvious, it ain't obvious. And given how few people picked SSBM, calling it obvious is obviously wrong :)

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Big Bob | Posted 8/26/2006 10:11:17 PM | message detail
Although it has no place in the stats topic, I'd like to point out in my Mock 2K6 earlier this year that Auron killed Crono en route to winning the contest. >_>

...I still have Crono winning that match, mind you.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/26/2006 10:11:19 PM | message detail
...people are debating Celes vs The Boss? Celes is my favorite character in FF6, and I'd practically slap the Ulti Guarandamntee™ on The Boss winning that. This isn't Ocelot/Pacman we're talking about. The Boss is beloved by the MGS fanbase, while Ocelot only matters at the tail end of each game. She's responsible for arguably the most touching moment in the history of gaming. I've beaten MGS3 twice, and cried during the ending both times. I'm sure it'll happen again when I replay the game.

The Boss is awesome, and I didn't even like MGS3. The problem is MGS3's lack of popularity, even on GameFAQs, compared to the rest of the series. Sure, people HERE love it, but not so much on the front page. Ocelot would destroy The Boss, to my great dismay.
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BlastTheSpeaker | Posted 8/26/2006 10:12:26 PM | message detail
Cortana isn't worth jack **** though. Thats my whole reasoning of her not winning. Joanna Dark is a main character, while Cortana is just some dumb chick who talks to you while your shooting up Covenent and watching sum cutscenes. Shes the epitome of a side character, even if she could qualify as a "sidekick" in her role. I'm not saying shes bad, her dialogue is actually pretty decent, but theres not much of a reason to care about her.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/26/2006 10:14:29 PM | message detail
The fact that Samus guaranteed to her ass SFFd to hell and back. This isn't even open for debate, and I don't get why yet another argument has begun about it.

lol, X-Stats.


What the hell? Putting those that took Samus as lol x-stats is really getting tired. You don't even have to use the x-stats to have justify Samus/Mario. Mario hadn't really done anything in the contest to prove the strength he had in 2k5. Samus had just come off a monster 2k4 year (getting more on Cloud than Mario got on Sephiroth the year before). Plus Link himself didn't appear to SFF Samus much. Those that picked Samus were fully justified.

A lot of people who took Mario admitted they did it just off of their gut feeling. If Samus had actually beaten Mario, it wouldn't have been a shock to many people at all.
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creativename | Posted 8/26/2006 10:14:38 PM | message detail
She may be weak, but Cortana shouldn't be worth anything either.

That's why I was confused about that match. Two weak characters.

But I had forgotten about Perfect Dark: Zero. That makes it significantly easier.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/26/2006 10:15:41 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1825

A little more fun MGS3 blasting. Yeah, I know, PotD, but still.
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ChidoriNoJutsu | Posted 8/26/2006 10:15:42 PM | message detail
Sure, people HERE love it, but not so much on the front page. Ocelot would destroy The Boss, to my great dismay.

You also forget that Ocelot has been in every MGS game. There would be some serious SFF in that match.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/26/2006 10:15:56 PM | message detail
And it appears Yo already beat me to it. That's what I get for not catching up with the topic before posting. <_<
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/26/2006 10:16:28 PM | message detail
...Alright, you guys take Ganon to win the male bracket, I won't stop you.

The Ganon that would do it would be post-TP, Triforce o' Power induced Ganon, not the Ganon we have known up until this point.

But the entire thing was that Ganon winning the male side or whatever isn't nearly the same as Zelda overcoming Samus. Zelda has to do far more to get up to that than Ganon has to in order to reach the Sonic/Mega Man/Crono group.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/26/2006 10:17:02 PM | message detail
You also forget that Ocelot has been in every MGS game. There would be some serious SFF in that match.

Uh, that's exactly what I said...
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/26/2006 10:17:07 PM | message detail
MGS3 was close to PS2 game of the year, I think. That poll is still pretty impressive.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/26/2006 10:17:51 PM | message detail
MGS3 was close to PS2 game of the year, I think. That poll is still pretty impressive.

Why? The strongest game MGS3 beat was Star Ocean 3, and we all know how that turned out...
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creativename | Posted 8/26/2006 10:19:21 PM | message detail
Giving the edge to The Boss makes sense, because you can't have much faith in Celes. But, I can't put much faith in a female MGS supporting character either. Ocelot is decent, and Big Boss is a weakling.

There's some space there for Celes to challenge The Boss. I wouldn't be too surprised to see an upset there. It's one of those "one character is the clear choice to pick, but could easily lose" type situations, I think.

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charmander6000 | Posted 8/26/2006 10:19:45 PM | message detail
I had trouble with that match as well, but I figured that since Cortana doesn't really do anything, all she does is talk and even if it has some interesting points I just don't see it being enough to give her the win.
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creativename | Posted 8/26/2006 10:22:14 PM | message detail
The Ganon that would do it would be post-TP, Triforce o' Power induced Ganon, not the Ganon we have known up until this point.

I don't put much stock in Ganon>Sonic, but I think a phrase has just been coined for the boosted Ganon theory: Triforce Ganon


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Big Bob | Posted 8/26/2006 10:22:41 PM | message detail
Joanna > Cortana, easily
The Boss > Celes, easily
Amy Rose > KOS-MOS
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Haste_2 | Posted 8/26/2006 10:22:55 PM | message detail
Mac, this is one case where we'd actually WANT CJayC to use the Amano art for Celes, eh?

Oh, and now suddenly I'm seeing talk in favor of Celes again...hm...should I change my pick back?

Ah, and NOW people start mentioning they're taking Cortana. But, looking at the pictures...I'm not so sure if I want to do that myself. Yeah, I must be stupid saying that not knowing anything about Cortana herself...ah, well. Good pictures matter more among fodder, right? =p

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/26/2006 10:23:20 PM | message detail
I don't think Amy would beat KOS-MOS myself, but that would put he too close to Tails and Tails is actually liked.
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ChidoriNoJutsu | Posted 8/26/2006 10:24:01 PM | message detail
Uh, that's exactly what I said...

I don't see any inclination of SFF in that post. To me it sounded like you were saying The Boss is going to be weak based off of Ocelot's performance in 2k5.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/26/2006 10:24:09 PM | message detail
I don't put much stock in Ganon>Sonic, but I think a phrase has just been coined for the boosted Ganon theory: Triforce Ganon

Not many people are considering it, but I am confident we'll be seeing the Noble Nine beaten by the King of Evil. ;)

And "Triforce Ganon" is indeed what we need to go with.

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BlastTheSpeaker | Posted 8/26/2006 10:25:18 PM | message detail
Ah, and NOW people start mentioning they're taking Cortana. But, looking at the pictures...I'm not so sure if I want to do that myself. Yeah, I must be stupid saying that not knowing anything about Cortana herself...ah, well. Good pictures matter more among fodder, right? =p

Thats another thing, Cortana has only like three or four scenes in each game where theres footage of her actually being shown. All other times ya don't even see her >_>
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 8/26/2006 10:25:20 PM | message detail
Link vs Cloud after TP. Percentage?
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swirIdude | Posted 8/26/2006 10:26:19 PM | message detail
55%
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/26/2006 10:27:23 PM | message detail
Oh, and now suddenly I'm seeing talk in favor of Celes again...hm...should I change my pick back?

Ah, and NOW people start mentioning they're taking Cortana. But, looking at the pictures...I'm not so sure if I want to do that myself. Yeah, I must be stupid saying that not knowing anything about Cortana herself...ah, well. Good pictures matter more among fodder, right? =p


Never change your bracket because the board told you. Usually you have a reason why you picked that character.
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 8/26/2006 10:27:25 PM | message detail
Sex. ^_^
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/26/2006 10:28:26 PM | message detail
Thats another thing, Cortana has only like three or four scenes in each game where theres footage of her actually being shown. All other times ya don't even see her >_>

Okay fine, I'll switch to Jo. Jeez.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/26/2006 10:28:33 PM | message detail
Link vs Cloud after TP. Percentage?

Link with about 55%.

What we are going to see happen this year in that match is going to be ugly. There could never be a better contest for Link than this one.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/26/2006 10:29:45 PM | message detail
Anyone really think Phoenix Wright could beat Freeman? I can honestly see Wright being comparable to King of All Cosmos.
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swirIdude | Posted 8/26/2006 10:31:50 PM | message detail
Sadly you are wright about that. Phoenix Wright didn't sell enough or advertise enough to get into the public eye, and Half-Life did, meaning people might know who Gordon Freeman is.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/26/2006 10:32:18 PM | message detail
Mac, this is one case where we'd actually WANT CJayC to use the Amano art for Celes, eh?

Well, I actually took Celes over The Boss. :p I'm going against personal preference this time, though I certainly wouldn't mind a victory from The Boss.

I don't see any inclination of SFF in that post. To me it sounded like you were saying The Boss is going to be weak based off of Ocelot's performance in 2k5.

I said Ocelot would destroy The Boss. He would likely get SFF, yes, but he would dominate her even without it.
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From MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/27/2006 12:29:45 AM | #488
Anyone really think Phoenix Wright could beat Freeman? I can honestly see Wright being comparable to King of All Cosmos.

King of all Cosmos (2005c) VS Gordon Freeman (2005c)

King of all Cosmos has a strength of 16.27.
Gordon Freeman has a strength of 22.78.

Gordon Freeman wins with 64.29% of the vote!
A win of 24,866 with 87,014 total votes cast.
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/26/2006 10:34:22 PM | message detail
Link has a ceiling when up against Cloud and that is 53%. FACT.

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swirIdude | Posted 8/26/2006 10:34:36 PM | message detail
o_O

Wright has the chance to ultimately embarass himself and be compared to Tanner.

;_; This day can't get any worse.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/26/2006 10:35:28 PM | message detail
Link has a ceiling when up against Cloud and that is 53%. FACT.

Except when he gets his most anticipated game released in the middle of the contest.

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TheCruelAngel | Posted 8/26/2006 10:35:32 PM | message detail
I know I'm being terribly hopeful here, but isn't OBJECTION! big enough to give Phoenix a small shot. I'm sticking with GF in my bracket, but PW winning would be orgasmic.

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swirIdude | Posted 8/26/2006 10:36:14 PM | message detail
Probably not. A good portion of the objections are from this board.
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creativename | Posted 8/26/2006 10:39:21 PM | message detail
The matches I'm most torn on are Jill vs. Peach, Aeris vs. Zelda, and Samus vs. Crono.

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swirIdude | Posted 8/26/2006 10:39:25 PM | message detail
But Phoenix has the Fey sisters. Spirit mediums can rally lots of ghosts to vote!
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 8/26/2006 10:39:33 PM | message detail
Squall > Snake
swirIdude | Posted 8/26/2006 10:39:37 PM | message detail
Knuckles > The Female Bracket
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