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consolefreak | Posted 8/23/2006 9:59:50 AM | message detail
The site is becoming more and more pro-Nintendo

If you could only buy one of the three next generation consoles, which would you choose?
PlayStation 3 33.23% 13384
Wii 50.88% 20491
Xbox 360 12.86% 5180
I really don't want any of them 3.02% 1216
TOTAL VOTES 40271


Really? I thought that PS3 was doing great compared to Wii today. Weren't the previous polls even more pro-Wii?

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HaRRicH | Posted 8/23/2006 10:08:44 AM | message detail
It's hard to get much more pro-Wii than what it's at right now. I mean, seriously, its release date is more anticipated than both the PS3's date AND Christmas. Any more pro-Wii, and the site would pprroobbaabbllyy explode.

Probably.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 11:15:31 AM | message detail
Probably.

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plasmabeam | Posted 8/23/2006 11:16:28 AM | message detail
MP3:C will have little to no effect on Samus. We've seen enough evidence that proves that Samus's strength comes more from SSB than her own games.

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/23/2006 11:17:32 AM | message detail
MP3:C will have little to no effect on Samus. We've seen enough evidence that proves that Samus's strength comes more from SSB than her own games.

I disagree. If it makes the Wii's launch, Samus will noticeably boost since it will probably have a marketing blitz behind it as it'll be one of the better games at launch.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/23/2006 11:17:35 AM | message detail
There's still Metroid Prime vs Windwaker. If all her strength came from Smash that match would not have been nearly as close.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 11:18:36 AM | message detail
Samus may get a LOT of her strength from SSB, but it's not like Metroid is suddenly a non-factor. There's a reason why she went from 50/50 with Sonic to 58-42 against him, and why Metroid Prime got 45% on Wind Waker. The Prime games do have a following here, though they'll never contribute as much to her strength as Twilight Princess for Link or MGS4 for Snake.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 11:19:47 AM | message detail
Okay... keep on believing that one you should! Not like it would ever have the chance to bite you in the ass, unless you actually think someone below Samus could beat her, and then that has nothing to do with MP3, as she'd beat them anyway. MP3 I believe should be the most anticipated Wii game, even if it isn't, and technically isn't my most anticipated either (Hey there Super Monkey Ball!), but it fully takes advantage of the Wiimote, granted Shiggy said he just went back and tweaked TP around more to incorporate the use of the motion sense more, but still !!


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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 11:19:55 AM | message detail
But last I heard it won't make the launch...and even if it did, I certainly wouldn't expect *that* much of a boost. A lot of people have been turned off to the Prime series because of MP2, and then you've got to factor the Metroid series not being that popular in the first place.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 11:20:44 AM | message detail
Yeah, for whatever reason MP is now floating around without a release time.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 11:21:01 AM | message detail
Okay... keep on believing that one you should! Not like it would ever have the chance to bite you in the ass, unless you actually think someone below Samus could beat her

Mega Man.
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transience | Posted 8/23/2006 11:23:06 AM | message detail
Samus really has nowhere to boost to.. I guess her inevitable match with Crono stops being debatable, but she'd need to boost above Sephiroth for her to boost above someone.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 11:24:13 AM | message detail
If Sephiroth hadn't just had AC and KH2, I could find a really convincing argument to put Samus over Sephiroth this year, long as she doesn't run into Mario.
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transience | Posted 8/23/2006 11:25:24 AM | message detail
so.. Sephiroth >> Mario >> Samus > Sephiroth? that'd be pretty nuts. throw Mega Man in there somewhere too.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/23/2006 11:26:24 AM | message detail
so.. Sephiroth >> Mario >> Samus > Sephiroth? that'd be pretty nuts. throw Mega Man in there somewhere too.

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Sephiroth >> Mario >> Samus > Sephiroth > Mega Man
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 11:27:34 AM | message detail
Nah, it's more like this:

Sephiroth >>> Mega Man > Samus > Sephiroth >> Mario >>> Samus
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 11:28:58 AM | message detail
I actually could believe Samus > Seph, in fact I had Samus > Seph last year, too bad Samus didn't get past Mario!

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 11:29:45 AM | message detail
KH, do you still take MM over Samus if MP3 comes out the day of the match?

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 11:30:22 AM | message detail
Although I only really believe in Mega Man > Samus...Samus > Sephy (2k5, at least) is somewhat plausible, but not bloody likely.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 11:31:43 AM | message detail
Um...that whole 'day of the match' thing is iffy, especially in an SFF affair (which is what I consider MM > Samus to be in the first place). I know I wouldn't take her to do much better on Mario...I'd probably still stick with MM.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/23/2006 11:32:11 AM | message detail
Just to be all bitter, I'd feel better about taking Sora over Aeris than anyone not named Link or Cloud over Sephiroth.

I don't ever fiddle with the numbers, but I'm guessing there would have to be an ungodly amount of SFF in Samus/Mario to propel her over Sephiroth.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 11:32:47 AM | message detail
I know it was a stretch, and pretty damn risky, but I could make a case for it, so I went with it.... this year there's no chance in hell, which sucks nuts. Unless it comes to be that the Wii is released, and MP3 comes out like 3-5 days before Samus' match with Seph, then I'd say that cancels out any KHII affect.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 11:33:07 AM | message detail
We already know there was an ungodly amount of SFF in Mario/Samus.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 11:34:01 AM | message detail
Are you seriously trying to deny an ungodly amount of SFF in Mario/Samus? And I think Samus does much better on Seph than 2K4 predictions show.

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/23/2006 11:41:01 AM | message detail
We already know there was an ungodly amount of SFF in Mario/Samus.

Are you seriously trying to deny an ungodly amount of SFF in Mario/Samus? And I think Samus does much better on Seph than 2K4 predictions show.

No, and I didn't say I was, either. Yeah there was SFF, but I'm still a believer in that even ignoring the SFF Samus still loses. Look, the Seph/Mario match was not close, it really just wasn't:

Sephiroth 56.08% 64643
Mario 43.92% 50629
TOTAL VOTES 115272

Mario 59.79% 58304
Samus Aran 40.21% 39215
TOTAL VOTES 97519

First Samus has to benefit from all the SFF needed to put her over Mario, and then she needs that much more to put her over Seph. I really don't see that as plausible.
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Gooper Blooper | Posted 8/23/2006 11:42:15 AM | message detail
THIS SFF IS UNGODLY!
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 11:43:31 AM | message detail
Without SFF I take Samus to win that match with absolute ease, I'm talking Ulti-style blowout here. I also think she has the ability to overperform on Seph, but that's an entirely different story on it's own, and since there's not going to be any chance in HELL of it happening this year, there's really not much point in talking about it.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 11:43:45 AM | message detail
Sephiroth 2k5 does all of a percent better on Samus 2k4 than he does on Mario 2k5.

The idea that Samus didn't boost when nearly every other Nintendo character boosted is flimsy at best, and if you want to say she got the same kind of a boost that Mario did, then she's dead-even with Seph in 2k5. MP3 should give her the clear edge in beating that value.

Like I said, it's a real stretch, but IMO it's silly to think Samus didn't boost in 2k5.
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transience | Posted 8/23/2006 11:45:27 AM | message detail
hmm.. does Mega Man outdo Samus on Mario?
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 11:45:59 AM | message detail
Yes, yes, and hell yes.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 11:47:00 AM | message detail
Mega Man will probably feel the ol' SFF bug against Mario, but I can't see him doing worse than Samus. Mega Man games are too popular.
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transience | Posted 8/23/2006 11:48:50 AM | message detail
well, looking at Link/Samus vs. Link/Mario.. and then Link/Mega Man... yeah.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/23/2006 11:50:13 AM | message detail
but Mega Man/Yoshi is pretty interesting.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 11:50:45 AM | message detail
Like I said, I think Link/Mario is the fluke there.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 11:50:56 AM | message detail
Mega Man/Conker is pretty interesting too.

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transience | Posted 8/23/2006 11:51:29 AM | message detail
err, I mistyped. let me try again:

well, looking at Link/Samus vs. Samus/Mario.. and then Link/Mega Man... yeah.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 11:51:45 AM | message detail
It's also pretty obvious that Link/MM went down like it did because HM was calling for a MM victory. He needed to be more than wrong, he needed to be humiliated!

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/23/2006 11:54:15 AM | message detail
Without SFF I take Samus to win that match with absolute ease, I'm talking Ulti-style blowout here.

I doubt that, I'd like to see her beat Crono first. Samus/Seph and Mario/Seph are still Nintendo/Square and Nintendo/Square matches. Are more Nintendo fans going to support Samus than Mario, or is Samus going to pull more of the "indifference" vote in a match between two popular characters that most people aren't indifferent about in the first place? That said, I'd much rather see Samus/Seph this year than another Mario/Seph.

and Yoshi > Mega Man, duh.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 11:54:34 AM | message detail
Also, while I consider Link/Mario to be flukish, there's no telling if Link/Samus is the same for the same reasons. 2k3 was the TAKE LINK DOWN year almost as much as 2k2 was TAKE MARIO DOWN.

And in any case, even if it is legit I don't let it bother me on MM/Samus. You just simply don't get that much SFF when you're that strong...Mega Man got more SFF on Yoshi than Link did, after all (and debatably gets more than Mario could get).
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 11:56:10 AM | message detail
I'd also like to see Samus/Crono, so everyone can put to rest their delerious thoughts of Crono keeping it respectable.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 11:56:28 AM | message detail
Delirious even.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 11:57:39 AM | message detail
Hey, if you take the opposite idea (that Samus is actually overrated in 2k4), Crono has a rather damn good shot.
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transience | Posted 8/23/2006 11:57:52 AM | message detail
eh, I'd think Samus would smash Yoshi in a similar manner to what Mega Man did. MM / Ganon would probably be about the same, maybe a point or two more for Mega Man. Samus hasn't really faced a lower-tier Nintendo character - put her against something like Ness or Fox and it wouldn't be close. plus she doubled up Sora.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 11:59:06 AM | message detail
Samus hasn't really faced a lower-tier Nintendo character

Issac.

plus she doubled up Sora.

Just like Snake!!
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transience | Posted 8/23/2006 12:00:54 PM | message detail
I knew someone would say Isaac.. there's no way to judge how strong he is. (and what about Felix !!)

Just like Snake!!

but nothing was thought to be weird in Samus / Sora !!

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 12:02:16 PM | message detail
Hey, if you take the opposite idea (that Samus is actually overrated in 2k4), Crono has a rather damn good shot.

But she wasn't, so there's no need to think that !!

Plus, you have to assume that she doesn't feel any benefits of the Nintendo boost that everyone and their grandmother benefitted from, it's just a lot for me to swallow, because even if she's overrated in 2K4, I still think the boost would put her right back where her 2K4 stats are. I put her more on the level. I'd take Samus with 56% if the two were to face off next year.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 12:02:59 PM | message detail
I knew someone would say Isaac.. there's no way to judge how strong he is. (and what about Felix !!)

Felix was behind MC...but honestly, Issac is at the fodder line where he is right there. I would be very surprised to see him be any stronger...I certainly don't think there was significant SFF.

but nothing was thought to be weird in Samus / Sora !!

Didn't you see MG/KH??? Apparently MG can't SFF KH!
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transience | Posted 8/23/2006 12:05:38 PM | message detail
hence the !! after Felix!

Golden Sun isn't unpopular here though:



Poll 774 (01/15/2002)
BEST OF 2001: Best GameBoy Advance Game of the Year

2520 14.62% Advance Wars
1282 7.44% Breath of Fire
3014 17.48% Castlevania: Circle of the Moon
273 1.58% F-Zero: Maximum Velocity
577 3.35% Fire Pro Wrestling
6157 35.71% Golden Sun
1580 9.16% Mario Kart Super Circuit
1041 6.04% MegaMan Battle Network
798 4.63% Super Mario Advance

old, yeah, but like I said, we have no idea how strong it is.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/23/2006 12:06:11 PM | message detail
Plus, you have to assume that she doesn't feel any benefits of the Nintendo boost that everyone and their grandmother benefitted from, it's just a lot for me to swallow, because even if she's overrated in 2K4, I still think the boost would put her right back where her 2K4 stats are. I put her more on the level. I'd take Samus with 56% if the two were to face off next year.

I put her more on the level of Seph 2K4 personally.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/23/2006 12:07:53 PM | message detail
I know it's not unpopular, but as you start bringing Issac up you start running into people that I would never give him a ghost of a chance against. Ken, Ramza, that sort of thing.
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