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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 347
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| LessThan3Presea | Posted 8/22/2006 7:51:40 AM | message detail |
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Would anybody honestly not take Mario or Mega Man in a close match because they are "choke artists"? ...Except only Mega Man/Sephiroth 2002 can be considered a choke. Mario has been on the receiving end of THREE choke jobs (Crono twice and Cloud once, and perhaps four if you want to count Samus last year), so there is absolutely no way you can justify calling HIM a choker. --- "A huge void in her heart. It is filled not by darkness, but kindness from others." - Presea Combatir, the Empty Soul |
| Yesmar | Posted 8/22/2006 8:01:54 AM | message detail |
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...Except that's not what anybody is saying. They're saying that, in a debatable match, DK hasn't done his best. We're not saying he'd choke against fodder (since he beat down Sam Fisher very easily). I'm not saying people think DK's popularity is that variable. I'm just thinking that people would take DK to lose any debatable match if only because he's a choke artist. Karma Hunter himself said that he would. ...Except only Mega Man/Sephiroth 2002 can be considered a choke. Mario has been on the receiving end of THREE choke jobs (Crono twice and Cloud once, and perhaps four if you want to count Samus last year), so there is absolutely no way you can justify calling HIM a choker. I don't think those matches are chokes either. However, I don't think DK/Aya and DK/Vivi are chokejobs either. After the first couple of hours, DK was never in any danger of losing to Aya, and DK/Vivi was just a case of people making the wrong prediction. People think DK is a "choke artist,"* so they always interpret his matches from that perspective; I'm just saying that with the right perspective you can interpret any character's matches any way. *Which I think so as well, although not because of the former two matches. --- Z1mZum totally owned me in the July 2006 Guru Contest The Funky Chickens in Trivia XVIII |
| Kaxon | Posted 8/22/2006 8:04:11 AM | message detail |
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Would anybody honestly not take Mario or Mega Man in a close match because they are "choke artists"? I hope no one thinks DK's history of chokes seriously means anything for his future matches. But most of the matches you quote for Mario and MM weren't chokes (except the first MM/Sephiroth match, which was a choke). Mario is the opposite of a choke artist - he's by far the luckiest contestant in these contests. He got two absolutely huge wins in matches that he had no business winning (vs Cloud, and vs Crono in 2003). All his matches you point to were never close, therefore, not chokes. MM did have one fairly big choke against Seph in 2002, but that's it. His match against Sonic was supposed to be close and he won it, therefore it wasn't a choke. If anything Sonic was the choker in that match because he couldn't mount a day vote. None of the other matches you mentioned were close. Personally I wouldn't consider DK that much of a choke artist, since he did beat Aya and DH, but he does tend to make his matches interesting. --- CATS for SC2k6 champion |
| Kaxon | Posted 8/22/2006 8:06:41 AM | message detail |
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Mario has been on the receiving end of THREE choke jobs (Crono twice and Cloud once Err, actually he's been on the good end of the luckiest influx of votes ever (vs Cloud), Ceej intervention (vs Crono 2k2), and cheating (vs Crono 2k3). I wouldn't call any of those chokes except maybe Crono 2k2. --- CATS for SC2k6 champion |
| Giggsalot | Posted 8/22/2006 8:09:57 AM | message detail |
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1 - UltimaterializerX 2 - Team Rocket Elite 3 - Ngamer64 4 - ChichiriMuyo 5 - Explicit Hairy Balls 6 - transience 7 - Master Moltar 8 - Mac Arrowny 9 - dethfdddddh 10 - Draco1214 11 - arkenaga 12 - Yoshifan823 13 - MasterofHunters 14 - Z1mZum 15 - Shivan Reincarnated 16 - MegatokyoEd 17 - DomaDragoon 18 - Janus5000 19 - Applekidjosh 20 - BlAcK TuRtLe 21 - bobeta 22 - greatone 23 - NewLib 24 - Big Bob 25 - HaRRicH 26 - meche313 27 - MarioSuperstar 28 - RockMFR 5 29 - cavalier lowen 30 - Bobby200614 31 - junglebob22 32 - Heroic Mario 33 - yoblazer33 34 - trizob the hedgehog 35 - Aprosenf 36 - MoogleKupo141 37 - voltch 38 - XxSoulxX, yo 39 - Lieutenant Kettch 40 - A worlds envy 41 - Osfan 42 - ff6man 43 - rpgapzx 44 - Viviff 45 - expaniol 46 - Red Sox 777 47 - ps2rulezzz 48 - cyko 49 - jonthomson 50 - jeevesthemole 51 - Luis_Sera89 52 - Phediuk 53 - FFDragon 54 - Vile Requiem 55 - charmander6000 56 - Radix 57 - Tediz247 58 - Brett with Atreyu 59 - Yesmar 60 - shadow8021 61 - Jman_gamerX8 62 - Snip Snip Now 63 - Tirofog 64 - LuniNutz99 65 - Zylo the wolf 66 - Kaxon 67 - KingBartz 68 - longbladeofhiko 69 - Dekar TKB 70 - spikevegeta 71 - Azp2k32 72 - Ori 73 - CountCrazy007 74 - Lopen 75 - Chinballz 76 - Soniclink15 77 - ccbfan 78 - Fett0001 79 - Dark115 80 - Dilated Chemist 81 - Steve Illumina 82 - outsider920 83 - ExThaNemesis 84 - HeroicGammaRay 85 - RPGuy96 86 - Pathetique 87 - SonicRaptor 88 - swirldude 89 - TheRye 90 - Steinershocker 91 - XIII is sexy 92 - Smurf 93 - freac 94 - Redtooth 95- FastFalcon05 96 - Rufus Shinra 18 97 - _Harmonica_ 98 - Nintendo Wiii 99 - Tjian 100 - Sephirot1 101 - plasmabeam 102- SephirothG 103 - Tai 104 - WHAT THE CRUNK ED BELLIS 105 - King Morgoth 106 - dragoontheguy 107 - outback 108 - Dunkeroo23 109 - canadiancatcher 110 - stingers135 111 - Tidus My Boy 112 - Guess how many Teens 113 - Prometheus321 114 - BeTheMan 115 - Haste2 116 - Read_Only_Thx 117 - KleenexTissue50 118 - daverath 119 - Mithrandir1331 120 - ScorpionX3 121 - perdevious 122 - ExquisiteSamurai 123 - Buzzup 124 - Jmast7 125 - GrapefruitKing 126 - cavedog0/ThatsRidiculous 127 - andaca 128 - Sess 129 - Giggsalot --- no I like rare forms of african sex music now...good stuff - ForiegnerDude |
| Kratos_42 | Posted 8/22/2006 8:38:36 AM | message detail |
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^^^ Hey, I've been wondering, what's that list of? --- He wields the blade of a fallen hero, but now he is the hero, and it is the others who fall. He is rising. |
| Kaxon | Posted 8/22/2006 8:39:58 AM | message detail |
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That's the Guru contest signup list. The person with the best bracket
wins, everyone else has to put them in their sig for 2 weeks and
nominate a character of the winners choice next contest. --- CATS for SC2k6 champion |
| consolefreak | Posted 8/22/2006 11:28:34 AM | message detail |
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1 - UltimaterializerX 2 - Team Rocket Elite 3 - Ngamer64 4 - ChichiriMuyo 5 - Explicit Hairy Balls 6 - transience 7 - Master Moltar 8 - Mac Arrowny 9 - dethfdddddh 10 - Draco1214 11 - arkenaga 12 - Yoshifan823 13 - MasterofHunters 14 - Z1mZum 15 - Shivan Reincarnated 16 - MegatokyoEd 17 - DomaDragoon 18 - Janus5000 19 - Applekidjosh 20 - BlAcK TuRtLe 21 - bobeta 22 - greatone 23 - NewLib 24 - Big Bob 25 - HaRRicH 26 - meche313 27 - MarioSuperstar 28 - RockMFR 5 29 - cavalier lowen 30 - Bobby200614 31 - junglebob22 32 - Heroic Mario 33 - yoblazer33 34 - trizob the hedgehog 35 - Aprosenf 36 - MoogleKupo141 37 - voltch 38 - XxSoulxX, yo 39 - Lieutenant Kettch 40 - A worlds envy 41 - Osfan 42 - ff6man 43 - rpgapzx 44 - Viviff 45 - expaniol 46 - Red Sox 777 47 - ps2rulezzz 48 - cyko 49 - jonthomson 50 - jeevesthemole 51 - Luis_Sera89 52 - Phediuk 53 - FFDragon 54 - Vile Requiem 55 - charmander6000 56 - Radix 57 - Tediz247 58 - Brett with Atreyu 59 - Yesmar 60 - shadow8021 61 - Jman_gamerX8 62 - Snip Snip Now 63 - Tirofog 64 - LuniNutz99 65 - Zylo the wolf 66 - Kaxon 67 - KingBartz 68 - longbladeofhiko 69 - Dekar TKB 70 - spikevegeta 71 - Azp2k32 72 - Ori 73 - CountCrazy007 74 - Lopen 75 - Chinballz 76 - Soniclink15 77 - ccbfan 78 - Fett0001 79 - Dark115 80 - Dilated Chemist 81 - Steve Illumina 82 - outsider920 83 - ExThaNemesis 84 - HeroicGammaRay 85 - RPGuy96 86 - Pathetique 87 - SonicRaptor 88 - swirldude 89 - TheRye 90 - Steinershocker 91 - XIII is sexy 92 - Smurf 93 - freac 94 - Redtooth 95- FastFalcon05 96 - Rufus Shinra 18 97 - _Harmonica_ 98 - Nintendo Wiii 99 - Tjian 100 - Sephirot1 101 - plasmabeam 102- SephirothG 103 - Tai 104 - WHAT THE CRUNK ED BELLIS 105 - King Morgoth 106 - dragoontheguy 107 - outback 108 - Dunkeroo23 109 - canadiancatcher 110 - stingers135 111 - Tidus My Boy 112 - Guess how many Teens 113 - Prometheus321 114 - BeTheMan 115 - Haste2 116 - Read_Only_Thx 117 - KleenexTissue50 118 - daverath 119 - Mithrandir1331 120 - ScorpionX3 121 - perdevious 122 - ExquisiteSamurai 123 - Buzzup 124 - Jmast7 125 - GrapefruitKing 126 - cavedog0/ThatsRidiculous 127 - andaca 128 - Sess 129 - Giggsalot 130 - Consolefreak --- The blood of the weak shall be the ink with which we scribe great Yawgmoth's glorious name. |
| Yesmar | Posted 8/22/2006 11:50:54 AM | message detail |
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I DON'T think Mario and Mega Man are choke artists. That was my point.
Not every one of Donkey Kong's matches was, in my opinion, a "choke,"
which is why I posted those other matches as comparison. --- Z1mZum totally owned me in the July 2006 Guru Contest The Funky Chickens in Trivia XVIII |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/22/2006 12:27:58 PM | message detail |
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I think you can exceed expectations and still choke, which is why I
call DK a choke-artist. He should have, by all means, beat Aya worse
than he did...while he came much much closer than many people thought
he would and had it tied at one point (even had the lead, I think), he
gave up in the end against Vercetti...I had Duck Hunt > Donkey Kong,
yet knowing that DK would have likely lost if the poll had fifteen more
minutes is pretty big...while the match itself wasn't a choke, DK broke
many of us prediction-wise against Vivi -- that's still one of the
biggest first-round upsets ever...and, despite DK having a 2,000+ lead
on MC, he gave it up for the biggest successful comeback to date. Again, DK's had some good points to him, but in a close match, I might not give him the edge; he's probably not going to get linkage, he's probably not going to have cheaters, he's probably not going to have big outside rallies, and his past history -- coincidence or not -- hasn't shown him to be so successful in close matches. Technically, he's 2-2 in close matches, but his losses were more convincing than his wins. Also, thanks to his night-vote, you can hardly count on him for a comeback -- not that you should predict your bracket based on night trends, but odds have been that DK is going to noticably lose steam towards the end of a match. With a new poll-time, that may change, but that's yet to be seen. I think this is ultimately a half-full-half-empty arguement though, that DK is either a choke or normal like most characters. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/22/2006 12:28:39 PM | message detail |
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QUICK WITHOUT THINKING: Donkey Kong versus Frog, who wins? --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| red sox 777 | Posted 8/22/2006 12:35:21 PM | message detail |
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Frog. He did come back 600 votes against MC at the end to win, whereas DK continued to choke 'till he lost by 1500. --- "The black wind blows... one among you will shortly perish." ~Magus |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 8/22/2006 12:36:24 PM | message detail |
| I'll take Frog. |
| Janus5000 | Posted 8/22/2006 12:37:22 PM | message detail |
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Kong. --- Those who are ordinary gurus decide nothing. Z1mZum decides everything. Including my nominating Toadette. |
| TRE Public Account | Posted 8/22/2006 12:37:43 PM | message detail |
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DK Frog was roughly equal to MC before Halo 2. DK was roughly equal to MC after Halo 2. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
| Yesmar | Posted 8/22/2006 12:40:28 PM | message detail |
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DK What TRE said. --- Z1mZum totally owned me in the July 2006 Guru Contest The Funky Chickens in Trivia XVIII |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/22/2006 12:54:42 PM | message detail |
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DK should beat Frog. I don't think MC didn't boost at all
from Halo 2, I just don't think it's to the ridiculous extent that his
change from 2k3 to 2k5 implies (I'd wager he was more or less the same
in 2k4 as he was in 2k3, obviously). Frog probably wouldn't even make a
game out of it nowadays. It's not so much that DK is a choker -- it's that he's choked against such pathetic opposition that it's impossible for me to take his ranking seriously in 2k5. Sonic is a choker, as well -- choked away a match he had no business losing in 2k2, got doubled by Cloud in 2k3, Sonic 2 got massacred by SMW, he bombed in his anticipated 2k4 rematch with Samus, choked away his upset against Mega Man, and wasn't even in the running against SSB. But look at the competition there -- Samus, Cloud, Super Mario World, Mega Man, Super Smash Brothers. I'm not going to fret too much on Sonic/Snake because the hedgehog has proven himself to compete with elite opposition. DK has, on the other hand, a track record of nearly losing to Aya Brea, LOSING to Tommy Vercetti -- arguably the biggest dud ever, nearly letting Duck Hunt come back from over 3000 votes, bombing to all hell and getting creamed despite being a massive bracket favorite against Vivi, and LOSING to Master Chief -- arguably the biggest dud ever -- in the biggest comeback ever. The competition is pathetic. That doesn't mean he can't beat someone without trouble if they're simply outclassed -- Bub, Vyse, Sam Fisher all come to mind. But his X-Stat ranking is also fraudlent, as I've harped on about numerous times. Look who he's projected to beat -- heck, projected to demolish. Would Ryu really go 50/50 with the big ape? Would he truly get over 55% on Vivi when Vivi beat him with over 56% the year before? He's projected to beat Sora's 2k4 value (which likely didn't change much in 2k5). My reasoning is Alucard is a lot stronger than he looks this year, DK is a lot weaker, and in a match I don't think it would even be that close. And if it did, I'm not going to bet on DK in a close match. Period. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Kaxon | Posted 8/22/2006 1:24:33 PM | message detail |
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Sonic is a choker, as well -- choked away a match he had no business
losing in 2k2, got doubled by Cloud in 2k3, Sonic 2 got massacred by
SMW, he bombed in his anticipated 2k4 rematch with Samus, choked away
his upset against Mega Man, and wasn't even in the running against SSB. In my opinion, it's only a choke if he should win the match or is in good position to win and blows it. By my definition Sonic has choked twice, against Samus in 2k2 and against Mega Man in 2k5. Your memory is different from mine, since I don't think Sonic's rematch with Samus was that anticipated - most people thought Samus would win with ease. (See http://oraclechallenge.com/archives.php?contest=SC2k4&type=match&match=60 - only one person picked Sonic to win that match!) --- CATS for SC2k6 champion |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/22/2006 1:29:40 PM | message detail |
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Well, the board picks are different from the overall picks. I know that
I was anticipating that rematch, X-Stats be damned. It works both ways
-- Mario/Samus was a total shock to the board, but to the people that
never glanced at the X-Stats it was a total no-brainer. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/22/2006 1:43:08 PM | message detail |
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Mario/Samus was always a no-brainer, stats or no. =p --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| shadow8021 | Posted 8/22/2006 1:56:44 PM | message detail |
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Do you guys the think the results would've changed for Sonic vs. MM had
the poll started at midnight EST instead of midnight pacific? The
higher votals would definitely favor Sonic, seeing how much Mega Man
decreased from 02 to 03 against Sephiroth. --- Series Contest Score: 60/80 Winner: The Legend of Zelda |
| Kaxon | Posted 8/22/2006 2:04:38 PM | message detail |
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No. There are two fallacies in your post. First, changing the poll
start time has no effect on the number of votes - either way, the poll
is open exactly 24 hours. Second, the idea that having more votes
inherently favors Sonic. It doesn't, it depends what the reason for the
extra votes is and where they're coming from. (Additionally, Sonic
didn't fare any better than Mega Man in 2003, he got destroyed by
Cloud. In 2002, Sonic was projected to get 47.83 against Mega Man, in
2003 he was projected to get 44.40) --- CATS for SC2k6 champion |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/22/2006 3:18:11 PM | message detail |
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What Kaxon said. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| Tsunami70 | Posted 8/22/2006 3:19:49 PM | message detail |
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1 - UltimaterializerX 2 - Team Rocket Elite 3 - Ngamer64 4 - ChichiriMuyo 5 - Explicit Hairy Balls 6 - transience 7 - Master Moltar 8 - Mac Arrowny 9 - dethfdddddh 10 - Draco1214 11 - arkenaga 12 - Yoshifan823 13 - MasterofHunters 14 - Z1mZum 15 - Shivan Reincarnated 16 - MegatokyoEd 17 - DomaDragoon 18 - Janus5000 19 - Applekidjosh 20 - BlAcK TuRtLe 21 - bobeta 22 - greatone 23 - NewLib 24 - Big Bob 25 - HaRRicH 26 - meche313 27 - MarioSuperstar 28 - RockMFR 5 29 - cavalier lowen 30 - Bobby200614 31 - junglebob22 32 - Heroic Mario 33 - yoblazer33 34 - trizob the hedgehog 35 - Aprosenf 36 - MoogleKupo141 37 - voltch 38 - XxSoulxX, yo 39 - Lieutenant Kettch 40 - A worlds envy 41 - Osfan 42 - ff6man 43 - rpgapzx 44 - Viviff 45 - expaniol 46 - Red Sox 777 47 - ps2rulezzz 48 - cyko 49 - jonthomson 50 - jeevesthemole 51 - Luis_Sera89 52 - Phediuk 53 - FFDragon 54 - Vile Requiem 55 - charmander6000 56 - Radix 57 - Tediz247 58 - Brett with Atreyu 59 - Yesmar 60 - shadow8021 61 - Jman_gamerX8 62 - Snip Snip Now 63 - Tirofog 64 - LuniNutz99 65 - Zylo the wolf 66 - Kaxon 67 - KingBartz 68 - longbladeofhiko 69 - Dekar TKB 70 - spikevegeta 71 - Azp2k32 72 - Ori 73 - CountCrazy007 74 - Lopen 75 - Chinballz 76 - Soniclink15 77 - ccbfan 78 - Fett0001 79 - Dark115 80 - Dilated Chemist 81 - Steve Illumina 82 - outsider920 83 - ExThaNemesis 84 - HeroicGammaRay 85 - RPGuy96 86 - Pathetique 87 - SonicRaptor 88 - swirldude 89 - TheRye 90 - Steinershocker 91 - XIII is sexy 92 - Smurf 93 - freac 94 - Redtooth 95- FastFalcon05 96 - Rufus Shinra 18 97 - _Harmonica_ 98 - Nintendo Wiii 99 - Tjian 100 - Sephirot1 101 - plasmabeam 102- SephirothG 103 - Tai 104 - WHAT THE CRUNK ED BELLIS 105 - King Morgoth 106 - dragoontheguy 107 - outback 108 - Dunkeroo23 109 - canadiancatcher 110 - stingers135 111 - Tidus My Boy 112 - Guess how many Teens 113 - Prometheus321 114 - BeTheMan 115 - Haste2 116 - Read_Only_Thx 117 - KleenexTissue50 118 - daverath 119 - Mithrandir1331 120 - ScorpionX3 121 - perdevious 122 - ExquisiteSamurai 123 - Buzzup 124 - Jmast7 125 - GrapefruitKing 126 - cavedog0/ThatsRidiculous 127 - andaca 128 - Sess 129 - Giggsalot 130 - Consolefreak 131 - Tsunami70 --- "You need a spanking!" - Mystere (Lunar 2) ^_~ I, however, was spanked by Z1mZum. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/22/2006 3:29:50 PM | message detail |
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Fisher 2004 may be an anomaly, but he's certainly not as strong as 2005 suggests either. Fisher through Magus 2k5 is at 21.55%. Fisher in 2k5 is at 21.41%. I fail to see any terrible discrepancy, other than that Fisher should be stronger after two more games. I don't care how popular Parasite Eve is (and it wasn't THAT popular, believe me), 800,000 sales in America, making it, as I said, Square's most popular non-FF game. Substantially more popular, might I add, than Chrono Cross. The match against Duck Hunt was a choke because he let 3000 votes get away from it. I don't really care if DK was "supposed" to lose to Vercetti or Master Chief. The fact is that he had a chance to pull a big upset, and choked it away big time. In the end, he lost both matches going away. DK/Vivi was a heavily debated match, and DK...doesn't even make a match out of it. He is a choker. Trying to justify his chokes by pointing out the good things about his opponents doesn't make him any less of a choker. This is all voting trends. I don't see how voting trends are at all relevant to the strength of a character; you're ascribing meaning where none exists. As for MC not being as strong as he looks: he didn't overperform against Crono any more than Vincent did. Sonic is a choker, as well -- choked away a match he had no business losing in 2k2, Samus actually had a higher prediction percentage in that match, IIRC. Sonic winning would've been quite an upset. --- Pity for the Gurus is treason to Z1mZum. |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/22/2006 3:39:29 PM | message detail |
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No. There are two fallacies in your post. First, changing the poll
start time has no effect on the number of votes - either way, the poll
is open exactly 24 hours. Well, changing the time also lets people stay up for the end of a poll. If a character has a big rallying effort going for him/her near the end of the poll, the poll ending at a time where more people are awake (thus more rallying potential) could potentially boost said character to the win. Of course, it will only matter in extremely close matches though. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/22/2006 3:57:02 PM | message detail |
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As for MC not being as strong as he looks: he didn't overperform against Crono any more than Vincent did. Who's to say both didn't? Not to mention measuring through Magus for Fisher is stupid since they're behind MC and Vincent respectively. Try Tidus and then tell me what you think. --- Commit it to memory. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/22/2006 4:05:51 PM | message detail |
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...or Ganon. lawz --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/22/2006 4:08:38 PM | message detail |
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And more importantly, I would never expect that fourpack to stay
constant from year to year anyway. I'd expect Fisher to do somewhat
better on Magus, and as for a match between Magus and Tidus...hmm,
actually. My head says Magus, my gut says Tidus. Either that or the
fact that I just played through FFX for the first time. Meaning Magus
with 56% or so. --- Commit it to memory. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/22/2006 4:12:35 PM | message detail |
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hay guys, how bout these two fourpacks Zero Auron Bowser Vincent --- CATS King of all Cosmos Captain Falcon Gordon Freeman I still say Vincent > Zero and CATS > GF >_> --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/22/2006 4:17:07 PM | message detail |
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Bowser > Auron In either case, whoever comes out of Bowser/Vincent should manhandle the winner of the other match...unless Auron's boost from KH2 is just insane. That does scare me, though. What's to stop Auron from gaining as much from KH2 as Cloud/Sephiroth/Squall did from KH1, if the initial appearance in the game is what matters? (and going by most of the people in this topic, that's certainly the case) You'd at least expect him to beat Ganondorf with that kind of a boost... --- Falcon > CATS Nothing troubles me in this fourpack...Falcon being in SSBM alone should take out Freeman, HL2 boost or not. And either one will destroy CATS. --- Commit it to memory. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/22/2006 4:19:28 PM | message detail |
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Dirge of Cerberus would perhaps cause Vincent to edge Bowser out I
believe. I think hes a little stronger than Bowser without it anyhow.
Zero, I think, could really surprise people and take Auron down in the
day vote. But eh, maybe not, but I think it'd be a good match at least. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/22/2006 4:19:39 PM | message detail |
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Please be forewarned that posts offering multiple votes, talking about
vote-stuffing methods, or bragging about voting multiple times are not
tolerated on this board. Furthermore, posts containing four-packs shall
be copied in the Four-Pack Of Fun board, as by request of CJayC. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/22/2006 4:20:31 PM | message detail |
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Unfortunately for Auron, he's already got a game heavily featured on
the Ps2. Then again, so did Tidus. hmmm. I'm in a rush, but that was
the first thing I thought about to negate his boost; he's already
popular with the ps2 audience. --- Revenge is a dish best served by Z1mZum in the 2k6 Series Guru Contest. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/22/2006 4:21:38 PM | message detail |
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Is there really such a difference between fans of the PS1 FFs and the
PS2 FF(s)? We already know that SFF can occur between them, and it can
get quite bad. --- Commit it to memory. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/22/2006 4:21:47 PM | message detail |
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I actually credited you in my topic that I originally came up with those four packs Harrich <_< --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/22/2006 4:21:56 PM | message detail |
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Tidus barely boosted though, and his boost was only because of Magus
over-performing. Also, I understand he's a bad example since he barely
has a role in the game. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/22/2006 4:23:17 PM | message detail |
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Zero has shown himself to be pretty consistent in these contests
though. I don't think a KH2 boost'd Auron would be too much stronger,
even if they specifically used a KH2 Auron pic. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/22/2006 4:24:07 PM | message detail |
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It's possible to play through KH1 and not even notice Tidus is there,
really. And his role is that of a tiny little kid with a stick. It's
not...anything. And he may still have come out with a boost, seeing as how his Sonic 2k2 performance may be a little inflated. The poll was down during Sonic's best time. --- Commit it to memory. |
| TheRye | Posted 8/22/2006 4:26:47 PM | message detail |
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Tag --- Congrats to Z1mZum and his Guru ownage “TheRye is like Jesus, if Jesus ever played video games.” -Inviso |
| WilhuffTarkin | Posted 8/22/2006 4:38:46 PM | message detail |
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So who wins between Tidus and Auron? Auron seems to be the overall
favorite, but on the other hand, Tidus is the main character, isn't he? --- Evacuate? In our moment of triumph? I think you overestimate their chances. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/22/2006 4:40:59 PM | message detail |
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Auron. As if his favorite-status in FFX wasn't enough, now he's got a bad-ass role in KH2 to compliment him. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/22/2006 4:54:42 PM | message detail |
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I'm actually curious to see how strong Sora will be now after KH2.
Chances are he's likely stronger than 2005 stats say he is, and if the
KH2 boost is large enough, he could possibly reach near-elite status. I
know it's a stretch, but the possibility is always there. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Owned by Z1mZum in the Best. Series. Ever. Guru Contest |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/22/2006 5:04:15 PM | message detail |
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I'm wary. I don't care how large the KH2 boost is, he'll never shake
off that doubling from Aeris. How would you expect a match like that to
go today? Not that it's indicative of his actual strength, but I'm thinking that he'll falter when put up against nearly any Square character. I'd still like to see how Tidus/Sora would go now, though Sora's obviously the heavy favorite. I'd also like to see Sora v. Red XIII, Barret, Cid, Yuffie, or any other lesser FFVII character. I don't think I could pick him in any of those matches, unless GameFAQs really is racist. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/22/2006 5:09:51 PM | message detail |
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Well, of course he'll falter against characters like Aeris or Tifa, but
that doesn't mean he can't be just a tad weaker than them indirectly. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Owned by Z1mZum in the Best. Series. Ever. Guru Contest |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/22/2006 5:16:18 PM | message detail |
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I'd like to see Sora/Cait Sith. Not that the upset could be made, but just the percentages...heh. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| TakeALake | Posted 8/22/2006 5:16:49 PM | message detail |
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So who wins between Tidus and Auron? Auron seems to be the overall
favorite, but on the other hand, Tidus is the main character, isn't he? I think Auron would have absolutely no problem with Tidus, even if he din't have KH2. --- ~TCA~ |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/22/2006 5:18:18 PM | message detail |
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Sora would beat Cait Sith easily, even before KH2. Does the FF7 fanbase even care about him? --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Owned by Z1mZum in the Best. Series. Ever. Guru Contest |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/22/2006 5:26:39 PM | message detail |
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I know it wouldn't be close. I'm just saying that, between guessing
where Cait Sith should be stat-wise, guessing where Sora will be after
KH2, and guessing what'll happen when the least liked playable FF7
character goes against a post-KH2 Sora when FF7's #5 doubled Sora
pre-KH2... ...I'd just like to see a percentage, heh. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/22/2006 5:32:24 PM | message detail |
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That does scare me, though. What's to stop Auron from gaining as much from KH2 as Cloud/Sephiroth/Squall did from KH1, if the initial appearance in the game is what matters? (and going by most of the people in this topic, that's certainly the case) You'd at least expect him to beat Ganondorf with that kind of a boost... More like what's to stop Seph from taking down Link! Oh wait... TP, right. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |