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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 346
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| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/19/2006 8:24:43 PM | message detail |
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Mean! --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| Read_Only_Thx | Posted 8/19/2006 8:25:17 PM | message detail |
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You know, I'm starting to get curious as to how Crono would fare against Cloud/Sephiroth. Too bad we'll probably never find out. At least not this contest. <3~^\Nidoran F > Samus/^~<3 --- http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/4430/t30mpt4.png Creator of Topic 30,000,000 | Founder of the Nidoran F nomination drive. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/19/2006 8:27:15 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, that's one SFF match I really wish to see -- Crono on the
receiving end of it from Cloud or Sephiroth, just to see if he gets
SFF'd or not (I bet so). --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Read_Only_Thx | Posted 8/19/2006 8:31:15 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't be surprised if Crono would do better against Sephy than Mario. Not that much, obviously. <3~^\Nidoran F > Samus/^~<3 --- http://img313.imageshack.us/img313/4430/t30mpt4.png Creator of Topic 30,000,000 | Founder of the Nidoran F nomination drive. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/19/2006 8:32:51 PM | message detail |
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I'd be shocked if Crono outpeformed Mario against Sephiroth. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| CountCrazy007 | Posted 8/19/2006 8:39:46 PM | message detail |
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Agreed. Crono isn't anywhere near Sephy, and isn't too close to Mario, anymore, either. --- 4th Place of the Fall 2005 10-Year Anniversary Contest |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/19/2006 8:45:49 PM | message detail |
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HaRRicH, skimming through your post, it looked like the meat of it says
that Kirby most likely rSFF'd because Bowser sucks in SSBM while Kirby
wouldn't rSFF Zelda because Sheik doesn't suck in SSBM. I know there
was more than that, but that's the notion I got from skimming through
it. I'm just disagreeing with the overall notion of people always using
SSB/M as the apparent deciding factor in some Nintendo SFF matches. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Cavalier Lowen | Posted 8/19/2006 8:47:03 PM | message detail |
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Quick question: How will Captain Falcon do in the contest? I think he
could range anywhere from the fodder line to slightly below Sora.
Hopefully Ceej puts the two against each other. For some reason I think
C Falcon>>>Ness in popularity. --- Z1mZum owned me in the guru contest (by two points!). Damn you Z1mZum! |
| CountCrazy007 | Posted 8/19/2006 8:50:51 PM | message detail |
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The only thing that Ness has over C Falcon is the fact that he's from
an RPG. But I agree in C Falcon > Ness, but that's partly because
that match would have SFF. --- 4th Place of the Fall 2005 10-Year Anniversary Contest |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/19/2006 8:51:08 PM | message detail |
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I put Captain Falcon around Ness's level or slightly above. I don't
really see him being fodder if Ness isn't. The Earthbound fans on this
board can bring up the game all they want, but I'm fairly certain 90%
of Ness's popularity comes from SSB/M compared to 97% for Captain
Falcon. And then there's my belief that Falcon is a more appealing
character than Ness and there are my reasons for C. Falcon >= Ness. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| CountCrazy007 | Posted 8/19/2006 8:52:43 PM | message detail |
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97% of Falcon's popularity comes from SSB/M? Wrong. --- 4th Place of the Fall 2005 10-Year Anniversary Contest |
| Cavalier Lowen | Posted 8/19/2006 8:53:31 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I'd bet more people care about F-Zero than they do about Earthbound. --- Z1mZum owned me in the guru contest (by two points!). Damn you Z1mZum! |
| CountCrazy007 | Posted 8/19/2006 8:54:59 PM | message detail |
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I'd normally think that, but like I said before, Earthbound is an RPG
while F-Zero is a racing game. Regardless, 97% of Falcon's popularity
being from SSB/M is a crazy statement to make. You're severely
underestimating F-Zero's popularity when you say that. --- 4th Place of the Fall 2005 10-Year Anniversary Contest |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/19/2006 8:55:24 PM | message detail |
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95% then. Sue me. You can't argue that a huge portion of his popularity doesn't come from Smash Bros. People may have known who he was before, but he certainly wouldn't be even a threat of having contest strength if SSB/M didn't exist. Same for Ness. Knowing who they are doesn't mean they would be popular.... --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| LessThan3Presea | Posted 8/19/2006 8:55:31 PM | message detail |
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For characters like Ness and Captain Falcon, where a very large portion
of their strength comes from SSB, then I buy it making a difference
between who wins and loses. I'm still not entirely certain that Falcon
beats him though because I think some people are selling Earthbound a
little short. It didn't do that badly in the Spring Contest, and I wouldn't dare take any F-Zero game over it. I just don't think SSBM alone propels Ness over the fodder line, as mnm seems to be suggesting, saying 90% of his popularity comes from that. But for characters like Kirby, Bowser, Zelda, Ganondorf, Samus...Non-factor. --- "A huge void in her heart. It is filled not by darkness, but kindness from others." - Presea Combatir, the Empty Soul |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/19/2006 8:57:16 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I'd bet more people care about F-Zero than they do about Earthbound. I argued in favor of this before, but I have my own doubts to how much they really care about F-Zero. Even if they do, it seems rather unlikely they'll be voting for Falcon based off of that game. I would definitely imagine Falcon getting more of his popularity from SSB than Ness. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/19/2006 9:00:32 PM | message detail |
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I would take Earthbound over the entire F-Zero series on GameFAQS. I
don't see F-Zero as a series being worth anything on this site. You
could say that Falcon would get more SSB votes because he's better in
Melee but the Earthbound faithful would balance it out. I'd take Ness
regardless. --- Demyx > Axel Z1mZum owned me in the Guru Contest with his mad skills! |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/19/2006 9:02:14 PM | message detail |
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I just don't think SSBM alone propels Ness over the fodder line, as
mnm seems to be suggesting, saying 90% of his popularity comes from
that. Of course, you have to add the people that went and played Earthbound after SSB/M and grew to like Ness, but I stand by my statement that Ness is absolute weaksauce if SSB/M didn't exist. I'm talking below 15%. Unless you don't think SSB/M played a big part in increasing Earthbound awareness? --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| CountCrazy007 | Posted 8/19/2006 9:05:43 PM | message detail |
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The people who bothered to play Earthbound based on SSB/M would've voted for Ness, anyways based solely on SSB/M. --- 4th Place of the Fall 2005 10-Year Anniversary Contest |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/19/2006 9:05:53 PM | message detail |
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What's wrong with Kirby getting a legit 47.88% when Squall > Bowser, and Squall did better? That along with the next few posts made me laugh far harder than it should have. >_> As for Falcon, I put him somewhere around Sora's 2K5 value (which I don't trust at all, just throwing a figure out there), with the potential to definitely be lower. I don't see him going anywhere below Ness though. --- Explicit Content I have been thoroughly owned by Z1mZum. Cheer me up. Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/19/2006 9:06:18 PM | message detail |
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I don't even have to think about Ness vs Falcon. I think Ness wins
rather easily. Earthbound is a lot stronger on this site than F-Zero.
Falcon should get most of his awareness in SSB, where Ness probably
gets both his game and SSB votes, at least some of them. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 | Z1mZum owned me |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/19/2006 9:07:35 PM | message detail |
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Oh and, I WANT THE DAMN BRACKET. This topic has gone too far without some sort of whining. --- Explicit Content I have been thoroughly owned by Z1mZum. Cheer me up. Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/19/2006 9:08:36 PM | message detail |
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You know, what would be more interesting is Falcon vs Kefka. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 | Z1mZum owned me |
| CountCrazy007 | Posted 8/19/2006 9:08:37 PM | message detail |
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Falcon appeared in the best racing game for the GC. Ness had a couple
minor RPGs that no one mainstream has heard of. The Earthbound support
is coming from the loud people in the message boards. Last time I
checked it's not just them who vote. --- 4th Place of the Fall 2005 10-Year Anniversary Contest |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/19/2006 9:09:14 PM | message detail |
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You know, what would be more interesting is Falcon vs Kefka. Falcon obviously wins. Kefka is incapable of winning a match that is in any way, shape, or form debatable. --- Explicit Content I have been thoroughly owned by Z1mZum. Cheer me up. Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| plasmabeam | Posted 8/19/2006 9:09:41 PM | message detail |
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Pfft... no need for whining. I'm willing to be that Ceej is carefully putting together a great bracket right now. --- Wind Waker was as easy as a drunken hooker, I'll give you that. - ugly man ~Jacksonville Jaguars~ |
| Cavalier Lowen | Posted 8/19/2006 9:11:41 PM | message detail |
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Meh, all he needs to do is read this topic to set up good matches.
Knux/Luigi/Zero debate, Kirby/Luigi, Squall/Ganon/Bowser, Ganon/Snake,
Squall/Snake, MM/Sonic/Crono, etc. Maybe he should just let us set up a bracket. Just give us the nomination data and we could do it. --- Z1mZum owned me in the guru contest (by two points!). Damn you Z1mZum! |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/19/2006 9:12:58 PM | message detail |
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Knux/Luigi/Zero debate That's a debate? --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 8/19/2006 9:13:00 PM | message detail |
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If Ceej ever gave one us the ability to create a bracket, I'd literally spew spunk all over the place. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 8/19/2006 9:13:15 PM | message detail |
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*One of us --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/19/2006 9:13:25 PM | message detail |
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I ran across something rather interesting on the DoC website just now.
It doesn't have much to do with any type of contest...but it's a poll
nonetheless!! It's like 2002-type vote totals all over again!! The main question was "Most Memorable Final Fantasy VII Moment" and there options for each character ... (Final Fantasy VII Spoilers -- duh!) Vincent Valentine 40.5% -- Speaking to the ghost/memory of Lucrecia in her cave behind a waterfall. 32.5% -- Initially finding him in a coffin. 26.8% -- Seeing his limit break transformation for the first time. (Total Votes: 14,129) Yuffie Kisaragi 55.6% -- Stealing your party's materia and running off. 24.8% -- Defeating her in battle and trying to get her to join your party. 19.5% -- Getting sick at sea. (Total Votes: 12,564) Cait Sith 53.7% -- Finding out he's controlled by Reeve and is a spy. 34.4% -- His death scene. 11.8% -- His eccentric and strange personality. (Total Votes: 12,393) Cloud Strife 56.9% -- Placing Aerith into the Lifestream. 26.8% -- Escaping Shinra headquarters on a motorcyle. 16.1% -- Cloud dressing up in drag. (Total Votes: 12,798) Tifa Lockhart 46.3% -- Remembering Cloud's promise to her when they were kids. 33.9% -- Pulling off seven Limit Breaks on the "Yeah!" slots. 19.7% -- Escaping from the gas chamber before her execution. (Total Votes: 12,449) Barret Wallace 65.4% -- Having to fight his best friend, Dyne, in the Corel Prison. 18.1% -- Realizing he has a daughter. 16.3% -- Losing his arm. (Total Votes: 12,297) Cid Highwind 38.7% -- He dreamed of going into space and becoming an astronaut. 34.7% -- Escaping out of Rocket Town and crashing his plane. 26.4% -- Enlisting his ship for one of his Limit Break's. (Total Votes: 12,462) --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 8/19/2006 9:14:03 PM | message detail |
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That's a debate? I know right? Knux > Luigi > Zero, nothing to be questioned here ! ! --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/19/2006 9:14:50 PM | message detail |
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That's a debate? BETTER BELIEVE IT IS!! --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 8/19/2006 9:15:21 PM | message detail |
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| ExplicitAriel | Posted 8/19/2006 9:16:09 PM | message detail |
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Also, where's the option for making out with Reno for Cloud? --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/19/2006 9:16:31 PM | message detail |
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Nah, SSB/M ain't always the deciding factor...but in many SFF matches
we've seen, you're either going to see it where the already-favored
SSB/M character is dishing the SFF or that the two characters aren't
favored or disliked enough to matter. Bowser and Zelda strike me as
being close to the epitome of each side and Kirby's a good middle-upper
ground. I think he could range anywhere from the fodder line to slightly below Sora. Never will you see this happen, unless you mean Sora-2k3...in that case, give CF a lil' more credit than that. Then there's this CF/Ness ordeal again... 1) Ness was a big favorite in SSB, and I wouldn't think either have an advantage over each other in SSBM as far as fans go. 2) Earthbound > any F-Zero game, both in the number of fans and how loyal the fans are...hell, I dare say Earthbound > the F-Zero series in both ways too. 3) Earthbound fans are more likely to care for Ness since he's the lead in the RPG than F-Zero fans are to care for Captain Falcon since he's one of four/thirty racers. 4) Polls, watch out: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=525 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=774 http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1486 Those are the only ones I know of, though there may be more...and I know they're old, but how much of a chance do you think the F-Zero games are REALLY cared for? We already know that Earthbound smoked the original F-Zero's **** in the Top 100 List, too (#37 to #99). We already know that Mario Kart is worth 21.19% in the Series Contest, and we see it blast F-Zero in two of those polls. One could say SFF if one really wanted to make a huge deal out of this...but, please, don't, for the love of God, just, don't. Captain Falcon doesn't stand a chance against Ness. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/19/2006 9:17:01 PM | message detail |
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More like Luigi > Zero > Knuckles, m i rite?! Also, where's the option for making out with Reno for Cloud? Rightfully not an option! --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 8/19/2006 9:19:29 PM | message detail |
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More like Luigi > Zero > Knuckles, m i rite?! I'll give you Luigi, but Zero sure as hell is on the tail end of that one! --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 8/19/2006 9:21:19 PM | message detail |
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Never will you see this happen, unless you mean Sora-2k3...in that case, give CF a lil' more credit than that. I was talking 2K5 actually, but I think you knew that! At that's his ceiling for me pretty much. Not that I would ever expect Sora to actually struggle with CF. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/19/2006 9:22:07 PM | message detail |
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man, after seeing those posts, I'd take Kefka over Falcon and feel good
about it. Kefka seems to already be around Ness' level anyway. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 | Z1mZum owned me |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 8/19/2006 9:24:29 PM | message detail |
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Also, while Ness may be stronger than CF, you can't deny
that CF has a chance of definitely being stronger than Ness. The order
in the Top 100 list I can't take seriously, thanks to a hardcore
fanbase being able to push something up far stronger than it would be
in a contest setting. I'm not saying the list has no credibility (I
don't like using it however), but in Earthbounds case I think it's
completely worthless. I think a lot more people here have played an
F-Zero game than a EB game. Whether or not that translates into being
stronger I don't know, also CF >>>>>>> Ness in SSB. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/19/2006 9:24:48 PM | message detail |
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I'd have no problems at all with taking Ness > Kefka, and with at
least 51.5% as well. CF/Kefka could be good though; it just depends, is
all..... --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| swirIdude | Posted 8/19/2006 9:26:35 PM | message detail |
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also CF >>>>>>> Ness in SSB. And anyone who thinks tiers effect SSB characters' strengths is insane. I bet that 99% of the people who have played SSBM care not for who is "better" and play with who they like. --- After the Series Contest, Z1mZum is now the guy I want to be like! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/19/2006 9:27:37 PM | message detail |
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Even if EB is over-rated in it, that's #37 to #99...just how over-rated do you think it is? --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/19/2006 9:27:59 PM | message detail |
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oh, and Ness is actually higher than Falcon in the tier list in the original SSB, for your information. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them”- Vivi0198 | Z1mZum owned me |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 8/19/2006 9:28:04 PM | message detail |
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And anyone who thinks tiers effect SSB characters' strengths is
insane. I bet that 99% of the people who have played SSBM care not for
who is "better" and play with who they like. I wasn't the one who brought up one or the other being better in Smash. Regardless, I disagree with you. If a character sucks I'm not gonna be them. I can't tell you how many casuals depise Ness thanks to his Up + B move. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| swirIdude | Posted 8/19/2006 9:29:26 PM | message detail |
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I doubt the Up+B pains cost Ness much strength. I find Yoshi's lack of
an Up+B recovery more annoying, even with the flutter jump. --- After the Series Contest, Z1mZum is now the guy I want to be like! |
| ExplicitAriel | Posted 8/19/2006 9:30:45 PM | message detail |
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Even if EB is over-rated in it, that's #37 to #99...just how over-rated do you think it is? I don't think anyone can realistically deny that EB's place in the Top 100 list is far better than it could ever hope to be in an actual contest setting, and I'd definitely take F-Zero at higher than 99 if there was a contest with those 100 games. I'm not saying Earthbound loses to F-Zero, but there's no way the differential is anywhere close to as huge as the list might imply. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Angsty Mermaids. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/19/2006 9:31:18 PM | message detail |
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It depends on how "sucky" we're talking, I think. If you're like Bowser
or Pichu, odds are you're not going to get a lot of play time. But if
you're someone middle of the road in tiers, but still are fun to play
as (Roy, Kirby, Link, etc. in SSBM), you're going to see a lot of
casual people playing as them. Tons of people here
tend to disregard tiers, I believe, so I think it hardly matters where
they place in the tier list. You may just get extra attention on
message boards and such by being top tier, such as Sheik. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/19/2006 9:32:34 PM | message detail |
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And anyone who thinks tiers effect SSB characters' strengths is
insane. I bet that 99% of the people who have played SSBM care not for
who is "better" and play with who they like. Point taken, but I know Ness was a casual favorite in SSB -- that's not even in question...and considering that many of us think we're above-average gamers (according to that poll not so long ago, anyway), there's going to be more people who DO care about tiers that visit and vote. I don't know exactly how the tiers go in SSB and SSBM (don't care to know it fully, either), but I do know Ness was made to be alot worse in SSBM, so I'm guessing he was in the top-tier or close, too. Ness is still fun in SSBM, too, like CF...I see them on the same level in that game. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |