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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2006 4:39:22 PM | message detail
Cloud would have probably beaten Mario with around 55% without SMG

Meant SMS here.

And for the record, I've only come up with two scenarios on how we're going to get a different champ one of these days.

1.) Cloud > Link thanks to his KH2/AC whatnot (or maybe he just gets really lucky if that's not enough), then Mario does the Sunshine v. 2.0 with SMS (and will likely need a legitimate boost as well to get up there).

2.) Link > Cloud (as usual), but when Link faces Sephiroth in the next round it happens to be on the day release of the FFVII remake.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/20/2006 4:41:00 PM | message detail
I'm really interested to see how Seph performs this contest... I have no ideas in my head of him actually winning anything, but it'll be interesting to see if the size of the role in KH really matters or not.

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/20/2006 4:41:28 PM | message detail
Hey all, just got back from being away for a week. I came back, checked for the bracket (I was actually (admittedly somewhat nerdly) excited) and it's not up yet? Hmph. Anything exciting happen since last sunday? I know I can catch up by reading, and might later, but is there anything worth saying now?
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/20/2006 4:42:13 PM | message detail
Aside from the announcement of the potential 1 and 8 seeds, not really.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/20/2006 4:42:51 PM | message detail
1.) Cloud > Link thanks to his KH2/AC whatnot (or maybe he just gets really lucky if that's not enough), then Mario does the Sunshine v. 2.0 with SMS (and will likely need a legitimate boost as well to get up there)

SMG is what I assume you meant there. The possibility of such a thing would be undeniably awesome though -- Clinkeroth...io (Yeah) here we come!! Of course, this would be even more entertaining to discuss if we actually knew that SMG was a launch game.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/20/2006 4:44:49 PM | message detail
If SMG was a launch game, Nintendo would have the absolutely sickest lineup of launch games ever.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2006 4:44:56 PM | message detail
I CAN'T TYPE PLEASE MOCK ME STATS TOPIC
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/20/2006 4:45:37 PM | message detail
lol karma hunter more like krama hutnre

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HaRRicH | Posted 8/20/2006 4:52:04 PM | message detail
Yes he would, because the day before LoZ/Mario Nintendo would reveal that Link is just Tingle in an elf costume.

If that announcement was made earlier in the contest, Tingle beats Sora.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/20/2006 4:52:37 PM | message detail
XD
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/20/2006 8:56:07 PM | message detail
So how about that Peach = Luigi indirectly business, yo!

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2006 8:59:39 PM | message detail
I can't believe people would...well, take Peach to beat Aeris, essentially (as the popular pick in Tifa/Aeris is a comfortable win for the former).
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Yesmar | Posted 8/20/2006 9:15:25 PM | message detail
I know I shouldn't be putting any stock in the Top 10 FAQS, but is anyone else noticing that DoC hasn't even been able to beat Dead Rising in the top slot? I mean, DoC had way more hype and all it takes is a little push to catapult FFVII into the Top 10; it makes me think that the game might not help out Vincent that much after all.

Isn't Dead Rising just running around a mall killing zombies with a chainsaw? I'm not denying that's fun or anything, but do you really need an FAQ for it or anything?
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/20/2006 9:24:41 PM | message detail
I haven't seen much on Dead Rising other than reading a small bit about it in EGM during E3. I know it has been heavily advertised and praised by a number of different people, but I'm not sure how FAQ-heavy the game may be. Then again, New Super Mario Bros. doesn't seem like a FAQ heavy game either and it shot up on the top FAQ listing too.

As for DoC, I began to doubt its effect purely because of the critics blasting the American version more than I had anticipated. I'd like to see CJayC run a poll asking if people have purchased the game or enjoyed it or something though. I figure that will help shed some light on how its sitting with GameFAQs visitors.

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/20/2006 9:26:49 PM | message detail
I haven't seen much on Dead Rising other than reading a small bit about it in EGM during E3. I know it has been heavily advertised and praised by a number of different people, but I'm not sure how FAQ-heavy the game may be.

It lends itself to FAQs in the sense that there is a lot of stuff that might be difficult to find. I could see weapon location guides being very useful. Other than that, I'm sure some people would benefit from walkthroughs on how to beat certain bosses, but as far as figuring out where to go next, it's never an issue as you can always throw an arrow at the top of the screen that points you in the direction you need to go to get to a mission.
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plasmabeam | Posted 8/20/2006 9:29:13 PM | message detail
From: FlamboyantSpy | Posted: 8/20/2006 5:44:49 PM | Message Detail
If SMG was a launch game, Nintendo would have the absolutely sickest lineup of launch games ever.


What's so sick about a GCN port and SMG at launch? Now if MP3:C wasn't pushed back, I'd agree with you. But looking at it now, Nintendo's gonna have to pray that people don't notice that Zelda is gonna be available on GCN. That's not impressive. I'm actually feeling uneasy about Wii's launch.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2006 9:30:50 PM | message detail
MP3 was pushed back? Dammit, Nintendo.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/20/2006 9:32:53 PM | message detail

What's so sick about a GCN port and SMG at launch? Now if MP3:C wasn't pushed back, I'd agree with you. But looking at it now, Nintendo's gonna have to pray that people don't notice that Zelda is gonna be available on GCN. That's not impressive. I'm actually feeling uneasy about Wii's launch.

...MP3 got pushed back? I haven't heard anything about that...

And Rayman looks good. Trauma Center should be awesome. Elebits looks cool. Far Cry? Yay. Madden with that controller? Awesome (in my opinion). Metal Slug? Awesome. Red Steel? That's the only one I had been anticipating that I'm not now.
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plasmabeam | Posted 8/20/2006 9:33:40 PM | message detail
And, damn, Nintendo has to try to make Metroid more appealing to the casuals. After all, I was one of the 19 people who bought MP2. If MP3:C will have more action like they promise, they should fill a couple commercials with that action. With Red Steel not looking so impressive, MP3:C may very well make or break first-person shooting on the Wii.

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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/20/2006 9:34:07 PM | message detail
Corruption may have been pushed back a bit the last I had heard. I always thought, "Hey, that's a great idea. This must mean that Miyamoto was able to get Mario at launch!!" but I suppose that's just being crazy.

Wii still have a very nice line-up -- far better than the GCN. The fact that Zelda is there at launch is pretty much all they need to have a successful holiday season. It will carry the game until Nintendo's main star prepares for his Wii debut, which is hopefully not far after launch.

And, in the long run, it is best to spread your big titles out over the course of a year. Nintendo releasing a big game every month for that first year is what is needed, as well as Mario ASAP.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2006 9:34:10 PM | message detail
I care about...zero of the games you just mentioned. And without MP3 that leaves Zelda. Which I can get on GCN.

Looks like I'm really not getting a Wii this holiday season.
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plasmabeam | Posted 8/20/2006 9:34:54 PM | message detail
From: Karma Hunter | Posted: 8/20/2006 10:30:50 PM | Message Detail
MP3 was pushed back? Dammit, Nintendo.


Yeah, at least another 2 weeks after Wii's release, I heard. Big surprise, huh?

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/20/2006 9:35:30 PM | message detail
I care about...zero of the games you just mentioned.

And yet almost every single one of them is likely to be a very high quality title. Just because you, for whatever reason, find none of those appealing doesn't mean the launch is weak. It's probably the strongest one in the history of consoles...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2006 9:36:59 PM | message detail
I don't care about the 'strength' of a launch if it doesn't have appealing titles. **** strength, I want Super Mario Galaxy.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/20/2006 9:38:00 PM | message detail
I don't care about the 'strength' of a launch if it doesn't have appealing titles. **** strength, I want Super Mario Galaxy.

...Strength means it has appealing titles. You're just... well, weird. I'm not really sure what genre you're looking for to be honest. I mean, your desire for SMG leads me to believe you want a platformer, yet you're not interested in Rayman.
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plasmabeam | Posted 8/20/2006 9:38:59 PM | message detail
And yet almost every single one of them is likely to be a very high quality title.

Don't forget, this is new technology, and it's nothing to get too optimistic about. Remember how awful DS's games were until Kirby and Meteos came to the rescue? I expect there to be no more than 3 "great" games on Wii by Christmas. There will be growing pains...

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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/20/2006 9:39:33 PM | message detail
I mean, your desire for SMG leads me to believe you want a platformer, yet you're not interested in Rayman.

See, now, Rayman is no Mario. >>

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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2006 9:39:54 PM | message detail
I love Rayman, Rayman 2 is one of my favorite games ever. This one just doesn't seem to be shaping up to the quality of that game, though, from what I've seen.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/20/2006 9:39:57 PM | message detail
Rayman isn't on the same level as Mario. It's perfectly understandable to want one but not the other.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2006 9:40:45 PM | message detail
And yes, Rayman 2 was no Super Mario 64...heck, it wasn't even a Super Mario Sunshine.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/20/2006 9:41:28 PM | message detail

Don't forget, this is new technology, and it's nothing to get too optimistic about. Remember how awful DS's games were until Kirby and Meteos came to the rescue? I expect there to be no more than 3 "great" games on Wii by Christmas. There will be growing pains...


True, but on the other hand, I wasn't looking forward to any games coming out on the DS beforehand either. At the very least I expect Zelda, Rayman, Trauma Center and Madden to be good. Well, and Metal Slug, but that's really just a compilation. And this is disregarding whatever they'll have available to download.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/20/2006 9:41:34 PM | message detail
Don't forget, this is new technology, and it's nothing to get too optimistic about. Remember how awful DS's games were until Kirby and Meteos came to the rescue? I expect there to be no more than 3 "great" games on Wii by Christmas. There will be growing pains...

I can understand what you're saying with "new technology." Judging from E3, Corruption and Mario Galaxy made the best use of the new technology, but neither may make it for the launch (if word is to be believed about Corruption seeing a slight delay). Still, there are games, specifically Trauma Center, which should make excellent use of the Wii-mote. It won't take long until you start seeing some very nice use of the Wii's capabilities, especially since it is far more prominent than the DS's touch screen.

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/20/2006 9:42:42 PM | message detail
Well, call me optimistic, but I think they'll do Rayman right. It may never be Mario, but it's still better than most.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/20/2006 9:42:46 PM | message detail
Red Steel can still be good too, right?

Why no Red Steel love?
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/20/2006 9:43:58 PM | message detail
Red Steel can still be good too, right?

Why no Red Steel love?


Everything I read about it after it was first announced killed my excitement. The AI seems to suck, the game seems like it's going to be very straightforward despite trying to be "open," and the swordplay is apparently going to do stupid things like have you draw a design to execute combos instead of just letting you seamlessly execute combos.
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Heroic Mario | Posted 8/20/2006 9:44:30 PM | message detail
Ubisoft has apparently taken a lot of the criticism they got from E3 and began to fix the problems with Red Steel. Only time will tell if it'll still be a great game though. It got destroyed by critics after E3, so we'll see.

And I still hold out hope -- "Atwood also told AMN that while Nintendo has not officially announced its launch lineup for Wii, on the subject of having Super Mario Galaxy at launch, he said "Anything is possible."

Believe.

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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/20/2006 9:46:03 PM | message detail
It would really be amazing if SMG DID launch with Wii... It'd be highly appropriate too. Bringing their most basic form of existence to herald in the newest innovation and let them regain their dominance in the market. :)
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/20/2006 9:46:11 PM | message detail
I want Super Mario Galaxy so much...


...if it has the Koopa Kids.

I still want it if it doesn't and it doesn't have Bowser Jr. too, but if Bowser Jr. gets in over them again I'll spend the time I would spend playing SMG crying.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/20/2006 9:48:08 PM | message detail
Characters are so important to Mario games, after all!

...wait, what did I say?
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YoAriel33 | Posted 8/20/2006 9:48:28 PM | message detail
Looks like the earliest we'll get a bracket is tomorrow, the 21st. Even if we get a comparatively short prediction time (say, three weeks), the contest still won't start until mid-September at the earliest. Seeing as how this will likely be the longest contest we've ever had, both the Wii and PS3 will surely be available during the last few matches, if not sooner. We've never had a contest take place during such a huge period for the gaming industry; it has me very excited.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/20/2006 9:49:17 PM | message detail
They are to me ;_;.

Luigi needs to be in it too... and Yoshi! Wario and Waluigi having a part in it would be a nice surprise also...
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 8/20/2006 9:49:38 PM | message detail
Looks like the earliest we'll get a bracket is tomorrow, the 21st. Even if we get a comparatively short prediction time (say, three weeks), the contest still won't start until mid-September at the earliest. Seeing as how this will likely be the longest contest we've ever had, both the Wii and PS3 will surely be available during the last few matches, if not sooner. We've never had a contest take place during such a huge period for the gaming industry; it has me very excited.

Yeah, it is pretty exciting stuff. And the X-stats will be even MORE useless since characters will presumably get what I will now dub "power-ups" mid-contest.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/20/2006 9:49:40 PM | message detail
I'd like to see the Koopa Kids, if for no other role than to just be, say, a collective boss or reoccuring enemies in a particular level or the lead-up to Bowser (or even Bowser Jr.) or SOMETHING...something, man. They were definitely cooler than Bowser Jr., but I don't hate Bowser Jr. either.....
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silverkiller | Posted 8/20/2006 9:49:58 PM | message detail
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/20/2006 9:50:25 PM | message detail
I'm fine with Bowser Jr., but the Koopa Kids are soooo much better.

I want each to have their own little planet.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/20/2006 9:54:14 PM | message detail
Hey, let them have bonus levels.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/20/2006 9:54:21 PM | message detail
Uh... 497.
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/20/2006 9:54:40 PM | message detail
R.I.P. Jay.
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the Jay Solano army - whining about being excluded in a 500 post near you.
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