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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 345
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| Phediuk | Posted 8/16/2006 5:03:02 PM | message detail |
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Hopefully the bracket doesn't take until September to be released. --- "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle." -Toad in Super Mario Bros. |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/16/2006 5:30:59 PM | message detail |
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Zero > Luigi > Knuckles. Zero's got more reason to be under-rated than the other two (though I don't really buy it) If I recall, wasn't Zero only about one percent away from his 2004 and 2003 value? If Zero is underrated, I wouldn't imagine it being by very much. I understand why one might think he is, but I wouldn't really worry about it too much myself. Not that I'm arguing your ranking of them because they're all close enough where it could go any way. I do agree with Knuckles being the last of the group though. I don't think he'd really be able to beat either of them. Luigi, I think, could take care of Zero. I think there's a possibility -- no matter how slim -- for him to increase again this year, but not anywhere near what it was last year. He doesn't need it to really beat Zero, but Luigi seems like he would be able to pull that one out. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/16/2006 5:38:17 PM | message detail |
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didn't Zero have MMXC this year? I'd think Zero would boost from that
at least as much as Luigi would from NSMB or another Nintendo Boost or
whatever. --- xyzzy |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/16/2006 5:39:42 PM | message detail |
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I can honestly see Zero getting to the Elite Eight in a regular 64
bracket with the right seeding. That'd be tight as hell. Even more
likely with a Female side. Well, maybe less likely cause seeding might
be tighter. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/16/2006 5:42:56 PM | message detail |
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BUY OR SELL: Zero beating Sora. State pre and post KHII positions too. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/16/2006 5:47:13 PM | message detail |
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Also...if Vincent makes the field...whats the expected Dirge of
Cerberus boost for him? I know the critics are rating it as average,
but I'm honestly kind of excited about it. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/16/2006 5:47:14 PM | message detail |
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I think Zero easily wins pre-KHII. I also think he still wins; Sora
just can't hang with the top guys, because I honestly wouldn't take
Sora to be in Squall's league. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them.” - Vivi0198 | Z1mZum owned me |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/16/2006 5:51:28 PM | message detail |
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didn't Zero have MMXC this year? I'd think Zero would boost from
that at least as much as Luigi would from NSMB or another Nintendo
Boost or whatever. True. It might be notable to bring up the lackluster sales of MMXC. I wouldn't have suspected much of an increase for Luigi from NSMB had it not been selling so well. But I had forgotten about MMXC, so that will at least be somewhat advantageous for Zero. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/16/2006 5:52:44 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, after seeing Sora get hoss squashed by Solid Snake, SFF or not,
I'd hafta agree. I think Zero's one of the more respectable upper
midcard characters out there though. I could see Zero beating a good
handful of Nintendo characters, maybe up until about the top Bowser
level. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/16/2006 5:54:53 PM | message detail |
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*Pic factor or not. My bad. SFF, wtf. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/16/2006 5:56:12 PM | message detail |
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Also...if Vincent makes the field...whats the expected Dirge of Cerberus boost for him? Even if Dirge of Cerberus isn't getting glowing reviews, I think he will still get a nice boost from the game. It still shoves him into the spotlight, gives him more of those "awesome" scenes, delves into his character, and all that good stuff. But, most importantly, he is getting all that advertising in magazines, TV, and all that. When you consider his main appearance is an optional character in FFVII, I think he's got all the reason to see a sizable boost. It may not be as large as initially expected because of how poor the scores are though. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/16/2006 5:57:11 PM | message detail |
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Well he got to the Elite Eight last year and performed well on Crono. That means a lot to me. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/16/2006 6:00:26 PM | message detail |
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After checking up on it, the sales of the Mega Man X Collection were
~80,000 on the PS2 and ~58,000 on the GCN for a grand total of 138,000.
Not sure how much of a boost Mega Man or Zero could expect to see from
that, especially if Mega Man couldn't do much with MMAC in his corner
in 2004. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| Haste_2 | Posted 8/16/2006 6:38:10 PM | message detail |
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Yuna boosted from FFX-2...but the situation isn't identical for
Vincent. FF7 is already phenomonally popular in the first place...could
that limit Vincent's gain in popularity? Also, Yuna had a much
different image in FFX-2...don't know if that was part of the reason
Yuna gained fans. I want to say Vincent's boost is around half of
Yuna's. --- "Ah, a party! We haven't had one of those. It could be fun! So...what is a party?" "Well, Z1mZum drinks punch and eats CAKE! ..I think." |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/16/2006 6:39:42 PM | message detail |
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HM beat me too it -- MMAC sold much better and was released much closer
to contest-time than MMXC, and we saw Mega Man do no gaining in 2004
(no matter what we thought of Tidus back then, heh). With that in mind,
I certainly wouldn't think Zero would gain more from MMXC that was
released much further away from contest-time and sold very poorly in
comparison to MMAC. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/16/2006 6:40:33 PM | message detail |
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FFX-2 was in a rather different situation from DoC. FFX-2 was actually
given more than enough praise by critics, it sold nearly 2 million
copies in America, and
most people seemed to enjoy the game. The hatred for it, I would say,
is equivalent to that of FFTA, which is to say that it's not much
outside of Board 8. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/16/2006 7:30:22 PM | message detail |
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I still say that outside of one bad match against Mario, Zero has always
shown to be more around Squall (near-elite level), than Knuckles (high
midcarder). I don't see how Mega Man goes from beating Zero 56-44 to
59-41 (and Zero got exactly what he was supposed to on Mega Man, so I
don't buy rSFF). I'd take Zero over Knuckles and Luigi without much
thought. Zero doesn't really need a boost to bounce back from an
underperformance against Mario. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| Cavalier Lowen | Posted 8/16/2006 7:48:43 PM | message detail |
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Luigi=Zero>Knuckles --- Z1mZum owned me in the guru contest (by two points!). Damn you Z1mZum! |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/16/2006 7:49:22 PM | message detail |
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The hatred for it, I would say, is equivalent to that of FFTA, which is to say that it's not much outside of Board 8. I think you're wrong on FFX-2, though FFTA isn't so hated I'll agree./ ~*ST*~ --- PWNED BY Z1mZum in the Guru Contest! Congrats! Now Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), FE8, SFAA |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/16/2006 7:52:30 PM | message detail |
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Zero >= Luigi > Knuckles. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Owned by Z1mZum in the Best. Series. Ever. Guru Contest |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/16/2006 7:52:40 PM | message detail |
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I personally think Zero beats both of these guys easily. I'm more stuck between Luigi and Knuckles. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them.” - Vivi0198 | Z1mZum owned me |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/16/2006 7:56:26 PM | message detail |
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Luigi isn't the choker now that he used to be. He had a monstrous boost
last year and he has NSMB in his corner this year. He'd at least give
Zero the fight of his life. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Owned by Z1mZum in the Best. Series. Ever. Guru Contest |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/16/2006 7:56:58 PM | message detail |
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^ Exactly. Mega Man beats Luigi 60-40, and Knuckles 59-41. Do you guys
really think Zero fell off to that level? I don't see why he would fall
off in the first place. The voter shift would look to be in his favor than against him. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/16/2006 7:58:58 PM | message detail |
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That arrow was to Dranze's post BTW. I agree that Luigi would probably
step up to the challenge due to him having the Nintendo roots, but then
again, with the whole MM/Nintendo relationship (Mega Man getting SFF'd
by Link, and then SFF'ing Yoshi), who's to say that Luigi wouldn't underperform in that matchup. I still think Zero is still safely over him to where he wouldn't have a problem actually winning the match. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/16/2006 8:02:17 PM | message detail |
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Oh, and I say again that I don't think individual games give Nintendo
characters a boost. With as well established as Luigi is already,
something like NSMB isn't all of a sudden going to make someone like
him more. Sure Nintendo games are a part of what brings Nintendo fans
to the site (thus causing a shift), but an individual game probably
won't mean much in terms of actually boosting a character by itself. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/16/2006 8:05:45 PM | message detail |
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that's all MMXC sold? ouch... still, it's better than nothing. (which is essentially what Luigi has) --- xyzzy |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/16/2006 8:09:20 PM | message detail |
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I think you're wrong on FFX-2 I doubt he's wrong about it. The game did well on GOTY polls around here. It'd beat FFTA in a contest here without much trouble. However, I have difficulty figuring why you think he's right about FFTA but wrong about FFX-2. In my experience, FFX-2 has almost always been held in higher regard. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| LotteryTicket | Posted 8/16/2006 8:10:45 PM | message detail |
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| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/16/2006 8:15:41 PM | message detail |
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It's not likely we'll ever see such established characters like Luigi
get notable boosts from something like NSMB because of the role they
play in the game. But, it does help that it's more play time with Luigi
in a Mario game, something that he has lacked since the jump to 3D was
made. I think it helps that NSMB gives him some more spotlight by being
playable, but it still probably won't result in a big boost by any
means. In all likelihood, it'd be a percent or two that he gets from
any remaining shift toward Nintendo coupled with the game itself. On the subject of SFF, I think Luigi would certainly be able to avoid underperforming against Zero. In the case of Mega Man/Yoshi, you had the main character of a series who is in the Noble Nine against someone who is a mid-carder and a side character. I think the fact that Luigi and Zero are significantly closer together should ultimately favor Luigi, if anything. I could see Luigi overperforming in such a match-up before I see him underperforming, but I suppose it remains a possibility. Zero being on Squall's level wouldn't be terribly surprising, just because of previous years, but I really never imagined Mario overperforming on him by very much. The difference between 2005 and 2003 and 2004 is about about 1.19 - 1.87%. I could see Tifa being Zero, as well as some others above him -- Squall, Ganon, Zelda. I couldn't, for whatever reason, see Kirby beating Zero, and he's right in the middle of that whole group. But anyway, if he is underrated, I cannot imagine it being by that much. It seems like he'd go up to about 30 - 31% at the most, which is close to Squall's current level but not up there equal to him. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/16/2006 8:16:55 PM | message detail |
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that's all MMXC sold? ouch... still, it's better than nothing. (which is essentially what Luigi has) I really wouldn't consider NSMB to be "nothing." It may not result in anything significant, but it should at least be regarded as far larger than MMXC. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/16/2006 8:19:07 PM | message detail |
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can you even play as Luigi? I guess the multi-player aspect.. but other than that? when it comes to someone as well-known as Luigi, I don't think a new game really matters as much unless they get a different personality. yet another Mario game isn't going to really change people's opinions of Luigi. I guess you could say that it's the first 2d Mario game in x years, but still, I'd think MMXC would help out Zero more than NSMB would Luigi. --- xyzzy |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/16/2006 8:21:26 PM | message detail |
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I think NSMB isn't going to do much for Luigi. Sure, you can play as
him after beating the game, but that isn't going to make you like Luigi
a whole lot better. Zero, on the other hand, can be introduced to a few new audiences. I personally think Zero's going to have a much larger boost if anything. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them.” - Vivi0198 | Z1mZum owned me |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/16/2006 8:23:06 PM | message detail |
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Makes me wonder how much Zero would score on the rest of the Noble
Nine. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hes only faced 4 or 5 of them I
believe... --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/16/2006 8:24:36 PM | message detail |
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He's only faced three, since he's only been in three contests. We've
never seen Zero lose to somebody outside of the Noble Nine, for what
it's worth. Not a lot of characters can claim that. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/16/2006 8:25:44 PM | message detail |
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can you even play as Luigi? I guess the multi-player aspect.. but other than that? Yeah. You can play as Luigi through the main part of the game. when it comes to someone as well-known as Luigi, I don't think a new game really matters as much unless they get a different personality. yet another Mario game isn't going to really change people's opinions of Luigi. That's certainly a valid point. Before Mario's mushroom-induced run in 2005, I didn't think we'd ever see him get an increase just because of how well known he was. It is true that his boost wasn't the product of any one game, but I don't think it is really any sort of stretch to picture Luigi getting a boost from NSMB, even if it isn't by very much. I think being able to play as Luigi in any Mario game from here on is pretty good for him just because of how long he has gone without any that second player status. If there was any doubt behind it, though, what you said would be why. I suppose we'll get to see soon enough. I have to say that it wouldn't surprise me if I was wrong. I guess you could say that it's the first 2d Mario game in x years, but still, I'd think MMXC would help out Zero more than NSMB would Luigi. I have my doubts on MMXC doing much of anything. Mega Man wasn't really helped by MMAC and it hit the same consoles, sold more, and released during a time where it got all the spotlight. MMXC released toward the beginning of the year, didn't sell as well, and has been overshadowed by many other games since. At the very least, I can't see MMXC helping more than NSMB would. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/16/2006 8:26:50 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I dunno why I said 4 or 5. My emory's worth crap V_V and thats
pretty damn good. I wanna see how he'd do on Dante. I'm thinkin Dante
has decreased recently though. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/16/2006 8:28:06 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man did fairly well for himself in 05 I'd say. Final Four is damn good. Performing well on Crono is damn good. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/16/2006 8:29:34 PM | message detail |
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Mega Man did what he was expected to do on Crono, didn't he? Regardless, it is still impressive. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Owned by Z1mZum in the Best. Series. Ever. Guru Contest |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/16/2006 8:29:46 PM | message detail |
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As a matter of fact, since I'm in that sort of mood, I'll list the
characters who have only lost to the Noble Nine (with a minimum of two
appearances): The Noble Nine (duh) Fox McCloud Bowser Aeris Gainsborough Zero Ken Masters Princess Zelda Frog --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| Read_Only_Thx | Posted 8/16/2006 8:30:06 PM | message detail |
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If anything, NSMB helps Luigi because in that game Luigi wasn't the sniveling annoying-ass coward that everyone loathes. <3~^\Metamorphisis > Malapropisms/^~<3 --- Hello, sig. |
| trannyscience | Posted 8/16/2006 8:30:30 PM | message detail |
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he's talking about 2k4.. and it's hard to know since he faced Link.
personally, I thought Mega Man did pretty well for himself in 2k4. he
rocked Tidus and beat Snake pretty damn good. his only "bad" match was
the one with Zero, which I wouldn't trust at all anyway. --- xyzzy |
| Heroic Mario | Posted 8/16/2006 8:30:42 PM | message detail |
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I think NSMB isn't going to do much for Luigi. Sure, you can play as
him after beating the game, but that isn't going to make you like Luigi
a whole lot better. While this is true, how many games released nowadays actually change your opinion on characters? What new Sonic game is really going to change your opinion of him? The characters like Mario, Luigi, Sonic, Mega Man, and so on really aren't featured in many games that will completely change the way you think of them. Zero, on the other hand, can be introduced to a few new audiences. I personally think Zero's going to have a much larger boost if anything. This is always the thing about collections like MMXC, but how many people do you think were introduced to Zero through that collection? I think this would hold more weight had MMXC sold more than it did. I would guess that most of the people who bought those games were already fans. --- “I haven’t invested as much time into any game as I have [Twilight Princess].” – Shigeru Miyamoto |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/16/2006 8:31:42 PM | message detail |
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The Noble Nine (duh) Fox McCloud Bowser Aeris Gainsborough Zero Ken Masters Princess Zelda Frog Vincent and Tifa should be added to the list by the end of this year >_> --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/16/2006 8:36:00 PM | message detail |
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And while I'm at it, the characters who have never even faced a Noble Niner (minimum of two appearances): Luigi Ratchet Miles "Tails" Prower Pac-Man Bomberman Kirby Gordon Freeman Yuna Ryo Hazuki Guybrush Threepwood Laharl Ryu Hayabusa Revolver Ocelot Albert Wesker Luca Blight --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| DeepHyren12 | Posted 8/16/2006 8:36:52 PM | message detail |
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Quick without thinking: FFX-2 vs. FFTA. Who wins? --- "Free flow of information is the only safeguard against tyranny"-- Commissioner Pravin Lal |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/16/2006 8:37:35 PM | message detail |
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Vincent and Tifa should be added to the list by the end of this year >_> Well, if Tifa is added to the list, in all likelihood, Zelda and Aeris will be removed from it. I can't imagine CJayC putting more than one of those three against Samus. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| therealmnm | Posted 8/16/2006 8:37:43 PM | message detail |
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Zero being on Squall's level wouldn't be terribly surprising, just
because of previous years, but I really never imagined Mario
overperforming on him by very much. The difference between 2005 and
2003 and 2004 is about about 1.19 - 1.87%. I could see Tifa being Zero,
as well as some others above him -- Squall, Ganon, Zelda. I couldn't,
for whatever reason, see Kirby beating Zero, and he's right in the
middle of that whole group. But anyway, if he is underrated, I cannot
imagine it being by that much. It seems like he'd go up to about 30 -
31% at the most, which is close to Squall's current level but not up
there equal to him. But it all goes back to me not thinking that Mega Man all of a sudden beats Zero worse this year, which I don't buy. I know they aren't joined at the hip, but with the voter shift, Zero really didn't have a reason to decrease, looking at the characters that ended up increasing... Zero already has shown to be stronger than Aeris, so Tifa would probably be in his range as well. The only people I wouldn't see Zero beating at all are Ganon and Bowser, but that's more to do with their Nintendo edge than their direct strength. Seeing how Aeris/Zelda is still being debated, I don't see Zero losing to Zelda. She definitely wouldn't have the same edge over Zero. I know characters fluctuate and all, but I don't see Zero not being in the near-elite tier anymore because of his one match with Mario. --- Nominate Carmen Sandiego for SC2k6 Currently playing: Fable, MGS3:S, GTA:SA, MMAC |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/16/2006 8:37:51 PM | message detail |
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Final Fantasy X-2, easily. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/16/2006 8:38:38 PM | message detail |
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Kirby and Pac-Man never getting Noble Nine'd just doesn't sound good. Maybe it'll be fix this year. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend And Tag Champ Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/16/2006 8:39:24 PM | message detail |
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I doubt Pac-Man even makes the field this year. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |