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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 344

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PartOfYourWorld | Posted 8/11/2006 7:49:29 PM | message detail
Having the contest start in October would be absolutely insane. We'd hit the PS3, Wii, and Twilight Princess. Of course, Nintendo would have the clear edge, but it might be worth it just to see the effect that such a monumental period in the gaming industry would have on a humble Internet contest.

Oh, and because I'm a spineless Nintendo fanboy, right guys?
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The Summer 2006 Guru Contest: Where Z1mZum kicked my ass.
LeonhartForever | Posted 8/11/2006 7:50:14 PM | message detail
Basically.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
Slowflake | Posted 8/11/2006 7:52:53 PM | message detail
Bah, as I said a few days ago, whatever pisses Vlado off is a good thing. ;)

ENJOY THE REGIME OF OPPRESSION OF NINTENDOFAQS!
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Knux_D_Echidna | Posted 8/11/2006 7:53:23 PM | message detail
I wouldn't mind...
BeTheMan | Posted 8/11/2006 8:00:14 PM | message detail
Bah, the Wii will fail because the average gamer has no desire for radical innovation, and the PS3 will fail because middle-class families won't be willing to shell out $600 for a game system, leaving Microsoft to conquer the gaming world, and Master Chief and Halo to reign over GameFAQs contests for years to come! So enjoy your rule while you can, Nintendo, because the end is in sight! MWAHAHA!!!!!
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO Z1mZum FOR ROCKING THE GURU WORLD
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/11/2006 8:10:01 PM | message detail
Starting the contest in October would suck for numerous reasons; the most prominent of those being that damn Wii.

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The winner begins with Z1m and ends with Zum... This is the truth! This is my belief! ...At least for now.
Knux_D_Echidna | Posted 8/11/2006 8:21:04 PM | message detail
Bunch of Squareheads in this topic... Show some balance!
MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/11/2006 8:21:16 PM | message detail
Bah, the Wii will fail because the average gamer has no desire for radical innovation

Nintendo DS.
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CountCrazy007 | Posted 8/11/2006 9:07:22 PM | message detail
From MarioSuperstar Posted 8/11/2006 10:21:16 PM
Bah, the Wii will fail because the average gamer has no desire for radical innovation

Nintendo DS.


Key word radical. Sure, the DS was different, but the change is nowhere near as dramatic as with the Wii.
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4th Place of the Fall 2005 10-Year Anniversary Contest
YoAriel33 | Posted 8/11/2006 9:10:24 PM | message detail
I think it was a joke post, anyway.
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The Summer 2006 Guru Contest: Where Z1mZum kicked my ass.
FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/11/2006 9:39:03 PM | message detail
Especially if you consider how ****ty the 360 has been so far.

Anyway, I'm off to eat things, because I'm starving, and yeah, this probably includes Leon's mother.

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YoAriel33 | Posted 8/11/2006 9:44:51 PM | message detail
Xbox 360 hasn't been stellar by any means, but I wouldn't call it completely ****ty. It should easily have 3.5+ million units sold in the US before its first big (true) exclusive, Gears of War, hits the shelves.
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The Summer 2006 Guru Contest: Where Z1mZum kicked my ass.
BeTheMan | Posted 8/11/2006 11:01:33 PM | message detail
The part about MC & Halo dominating contests was a joke, but I wouldn't be shocked if the 360 winds up first in sales...eventually, anyways. The Wii's pricetag is going to be awfully hard to beat this holiday season.
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ALL YOUR VOTES ARE BELONG TO Z1mZum FOR ROCKING THE GURU WORLD
Knux_D_Echidna | Posted 8/12/2006 6:11:46 AM | message detail
I don't know why people are expecting Microsoft to win this generation. Just increasing their market share will be a success in my eyes. Nobody should be expecting them to overtake Sony this gen. That's just insane. Maybe the $599 is making people a bit overzealous about Microsoft's chances this gen. Otherwise, I don't see why people would even expect Microsoft to flat out win. People still have to want the 360 in the end for it to be a big success.

And people are still counting out the Wii as a side system? Contrary to what the experts say, having a "true" next-gen system (OMG HD!) isn't that important right now. As long as people have new and better games to play, that's all that really matters. Combining what the Wii will have to offer at launch with how great this gen has been (including the few more titles the PS2 has to offer), I think many people will be more than content for a while. I don't think the Xbox 360 or the PS3 will be exploding in sales anytime soon...
DeepHyren12 | Posted 8/12/2006 7:20:20 AM | message detail
I don't know why people are expecting Sony to win this generation. Just increasing their market share will be a success in my eyes. Nobody should be expecting them to overtake Nintendo this gen. That's just insane. Maybe the CD capability and FFVII is making people a bit overzealous about Sony's chances this gen. Otherwise, I don't see why people would even expect Sony to flat out win. People still have to want the Playstation in the end for it to be a big success.

FIFY. The gaming industry can and will change in the span of a single generation.


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Read_Only_Thx | Posted 8/12/2006 8:01:13 AM | message detail
I think the 360 > PS3 belief focuses more on the PS3 bombing than it does the 360 being a PS2-level success.

I think the Wii might just pull off the upset and trump both, though.

<3~^\Pokemon > Metal Gear/^~<3
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Dilated Chemist | Posted 8/12/2006 8:04:21 AM | message detail
Wii isn't going anywhere...

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...Z1mZum owned my B1mBum in the Guru Contest...
voltch | Posted 8/12/2006 9:30:49 AM | message detail
360 will never attain the level of the Ps2.
i assume there are enough parents out there who will buy ps3 for the kids to prevent ps3 flopping.
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Z1mZum humiliated me to hell and back in the Best.Series.Ever contest.
Slowflake | Posted 8/12/2006 9:49:11 AM | message detail
What kind of pampered-ass kids have parents who'd shell out 600 bucks for a game console without a question?

...oh wait, this is America. (Not here, just down south, that is.) Of course such kids and parents abound.
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i thought people on gamefaqs had good taste in games i guess i was wrong -EstUmbra
Oooh... Yeah... I need... condom... sixty nine!! -IENJOYHAM
Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/12/2006 11:14:49 AM | message detail
I'm still sticking with a bracket today or tomorrow.
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Slowflake | Posted 8/12/2006 11:51:38 AM | message detail
Did CJayC EVER put out a bracket on a weekend?
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i thought people on gamefaqs had good taste in games i guess i was wrong -EstUmbra
Oooh... Yeah... I need... condom... sixty nine!! -IENJOYHAM
voltch | Posted 8/12/2006 12:37:47 PM | message detail
i bet the bracket will be up on either tuesday od wednesday
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Z1mZum humiliated me to hell and back in the Best.Series.Ever contest.
Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/12/2006 2:28:56 PM | message detail
I think I remember seeing a bracket on Sunday night before, and maybe Friday night.

As for the console wars, I see them as being fairly close this generation. I wouldn't be surprised at 50M/50M/50M sales for the three consoles next gen, as opposed to ~110M/24M/22M for the PS2/Xbox/GCN this generation. The X360 is certainly doing better than the Xbox was (despite the Xbox having a price drop by this point), I really don't see the PS3 coming anywhere close to the PS1/PS2, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see the Wii outperform the N64.
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Pity for the Gurus is treason to Z1mZum.
Slowflake | Posted 8/12/2006 2:30:21 PM | message detail
Speaking of 110 million PS2s, we hear about the replacement jokes all the time, but what kind of weight do you think replacements actually have?
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i thought people on gamefaqs had good taste in games i guess i was wrong -EstUmbra
Oooh... Yeah... I need... condom... sixty nine!! -IENJOYHAM
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/12/2006 2:41:21 PM | message detail
The X360 is certainly doing better than the Xbox was (despite the Xbox having a price drop by this point),

The Xbox 360 is behind the Xbox in sales by 2.5 million to 2.1 million in America, and it's lagging behind in other territories as well. It's doing rather poorly in comparison to the original Xbox in software sales, too.

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Aprosenf | Posted 8/12/2006 2:52:33 PM | message detail
I just stumbled across these very amusing polls (well actually I stumbled across them a while ago but thought that now would be a good time to bring them up):

Poll 1906 (02/09/2005)
Waht do you think the next Microsoft console will be called?

17738 37.01% Xbox 2
9577 19.98% Xbox Next
2099 4.38% Xbox 360
5818 12.14% Xbox (something else)
12701 26.5% Something completely different

Poll 1976 (04/20/2005)
What do you think of the name "Xbox 360"?

1277 2.08% Great name for a great console
5883 9.59% Good name, better than "Xbox 2"
15079 24.59% I don't care, it's all about the games
23622 38.52% It sounds like a joke to me
15459 25.21% Horrible name, worst ever
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*Was pwned by Castlevania, Warcraft, Mega Man, Metal Gear, The Legend of Zelda, and Z1mZum in the Best. Series. Ever. contest*
Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/12/2006 3:11:35 PM | message detail
Poll 2360 (04/28/2006)
So, what do you think of the name of Nintendo's new console?

6603 9.03% It's neat, catchy, and I like it
14263 19.5% It's okay, but not as good as Revolution
7281 9.95% Not good, not bad, could've been worse
25848 35.34% Wii? What on earth were they thinking?
19152 26.18% (Insert bathroom joke here)

Heh, the last two options got fairly similar percentages on both polls. How odd.

The Xbox 360 is behind the Xbox in sales by 2.5 million to 2.1 million in America, and it's lagging behind in other territories as well. It's doing rather poorly in comparison to the original Xbox in software sales, too.

That's mainly due to the launch. Outside of the first two months, the 360 has been doing much better than the original Xbox.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 8/12/2006 3:28:38 PM | message detail
I'd love to see a month-by-month comparison between Xbox and Xbox 360 sales.

It's doing rather poorly in comparison to the original Xbox in software sales, too.

That's pretty surprising. The 360 seems to have very healthy software representation on a monthly basis.
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CountCrazy007 | Posted 8/12/2006 3:29:45 PM | message detail
Yeah, I'd like to see that comparison, as well.
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4th Place of the Fall 2005 10-Year Anniversary Contest
therealmnm | Posted 8/12/2006 3:30:51 PM | message detail
What software did the Xbox have in its first year besides Halo? NBA Inside Drive?
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/12/2006 3:33:26 PM | message detail
360's software sales doing worse than the original Xbox? I find that hard to believe when CoD2 has already crossed a million with GRAW and Oblivion over 500k.
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Z1mZum owned me in the Guru Contest with his mad skills!
Lopen | Posted 8/12/2006 4:21:04 PM | message detail
So I'm reading EGM (what?) and despite what HM was preaching about the American Version being much improved, their review of the American Version of DoC was pretty underwhelming as well. They even dissed the story, not just the gameplay. Now, I know you're all screaming "Devil May Cry 2", but this game that doesn't exist was generally given reviews of "solid, but a disappointment" by the mags out there. Sure, it's the scourge of the illustrious DMC family, but that's only because the other two are just so good. Whereas DoC is seemingly the scourge of the FF7 family because it's just bad.

Yeah, yeah... magazines, who reads them, anyway? But also, I'm not convinced Dante's boost was generated by some game that doesn't exist. He could've just boosted from the first game stewing out there for longer. Also, even if it was... Dante had the issue of a good amount of the users just straight up being ignorant of him... giving him more room to boost. I doubt that's much of a problem for Vincent at this point.. on this website, at least.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is, I'm still not thinking Vincent will boost much at all from DoC. There's still that Advent Children crap, though... which I'll be sure to blame any boosting on, should it occur! But it won't! (More Vincent discussion? YEAH! I can smell the ratings!)
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Z1mZum whooped me so bad in the Guru Contest that the next Lopen wannabe is gonna feel it.
Stay outta Dante's house you limit break using ninny!
ccbfan | Posted 8/12/2006 4:33:30 PM | message detail
Xbox 360 is doing a bit worst than the Xbox in North America but Xbox has had 2 significant factors that allowed this.

1. Xbox 360 never had a true Holiday season yet. There was such a bad shortage last christmas, they never got to take advantage of it.

2. Xbox 360 hasn't had its price drop yet. Xbox had its pricedrop within the first year. Huge difference.

Also 360 games have been selling like crazy. If you look at NPD charts. The 360 owns it. Thats crazy considering the userbase of the 360. The current game/system ratio is unheard for a system at this stage of the game.

What Microsoft really needs to worry about is Europe. The 360 is seriously underperforming compared to the original.
LeonhartForever | Posted 8/12/2006 4:38:59 PM | message detail
I feel like I should say something here, but I can't think of anything.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
Ha! Vincent already went into Dante's house and claimed it for himself!
DeepHyren12 | Posted 8/12/2006 4:51:24 PM | message detail
Actually, I thought the DoC review was fairly positive, Lopen. 5/5/4, out of 10, and keep in mind EGM, unlike most magazines, pretty religiously sticks with the "5.0 is an average score." That's leagues better than the below average Famitsu score, and as others have brought up, as long as its not crap it'll boost Vincent a little.
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Lopen | Posted 8/12/2006 6:39:47 PM | message detail
Actually, I thought the DoC review was fairly positive, Lopen. 5/5/4, out of 10, and keep in mind EGM, unlike most magazines, pretty religiously sticks with the "5.0 is an average score."

Are you kidding me? I wouldn't call that a positive review. All they really complimented were the good CG cut-scenes. Beyond that, the best compliment in their reviews were stuff like "adequate gameplay" and "a clunky version of the Devil May Cry combat system". And I really wouldn't agree that "5.0 is average" in their reviews, either, for that matter...

And just for the record, the reviled Devil May Cry game that doesn't exist got 7/7/8.
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Z1mZum whooped me so bad in the Guru Contest that the next Lopen wannabe is gonna feel it.
Vincent got the dump that was thrashed by demons, I heard
THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/12/2006 6:41:54 PM | message detail
"adequate gameplay"

Well, that's an improvement over the Japanese version.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
Well, I heard that Dante is the dump thrashed by demons.
Slowflake | Posted 8/12/2006 6:48:18 PM | message detail
So, the "FF sequels suck" credo is still alive and well? Heh.

Seriously now, is Vincent still getting that same big boost you're all calling for if the game is as loathed by players as by reviewers?
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/12/2006 6:49:50 PM | message detail
You can enjoy Vincent's role in the game and still dislike the game. That might be what happened for Dante.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
HaRRicH | Posted 8/12/2006 6:52:16 PM | message detail
EGM's always had 5.0 being their idea of average and that 7.0 or higher is their idea of what's worth buying. Though I dislike the direction EGM's taken (I stopped reading their magazines a lil' before #200, whenever that was), I still don't think that's a good sign at all. Add to it Famitsu treating it bad, and, well...not a good sign for Vincent's boost.

That's not to say he won't get one...but how much of one? That'll be tough to say, given that'll be his first lead role and FF:AC might help, but I'd rather guess too small than too big.
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It still hurts to be rear-ended like that.....
THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/12/2006 6:53:49 PM | message detail
Add to it Famitsu treating it bad

Because the Japanese version IS bad.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
Lopen | Posted 8/12/2006 6:56:42 PM | message detail
But the thing is, the review implies that even the story is stupid and unenjoyable. It doesn't just bash the gameplay. I guess we'll see when more reviews are out there.

And like I said, the DMC game that didn't exist wasn't necessarily the main reason Dante increased.
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Z1mZum whooped me so bad in the Guru Contest that the next Lopen wannabe is gonna feel it.
Oh yeah... um... Vincent's mamma!
THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/12/2006 6:57:58 PM | message detail
I agree that a release certainly isn't necessary to boost, but I'm just throwing the possibilities out there.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
...could beat up Dante's momma!
HaRRicH | Posted 8/12/2006 7:00:31 PM | message detail
I trust it is; it's just complimenting EGM's scores which are not treating the new-and-improved version nicely.

I get that the gameplay and story are unenjoyable according to reviews, though the CGI scenes are cool enough...that would probably be where Vincent would get most of his new-found favor from that game, because there's not alot left it seems.
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Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest.
It still hurts to be rear-ended like that.....
DeepHyren12 | Posted 8/12/2006 7:54:26 PM | message detail
Wasn't it decided a few pages ago (50 post view FTW) that, as long as the fanbase didn't absolutely loathe the game, it'd give Vincent a boost? At any rate, "Adequate gameplay" sounds a heckuva lot better than what Famitsu gave the Japanese version (judging by what I saw, EGM would have given the Japanese version something like a 2.5). "positive" may be a bit overboard, but an average game is certainly a lot better than what the Japanese version was.
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therealmnm | Posted 8/12/2006 8:11:09 PM | message detail
You know, I really don't think "liking" Vincent more is such a big deal. At least when talking about whether it means he gets a boost. I've never really been a fan of being "liked" more causing boosts. I'd rather be looking at how many FFVII fans the game brings to the site. Otherwise, if we're going by simply being liked more, then Advent Children should be just as big a deal as far as boosts are concerned.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/12/2006 8:26:44 PM | message detail
How big were Yuna and Rikku's boosts from FFX-2? Does anyone expect Vincent's boost from DoC to be as big as that?
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Pity for the Gurus is treason to Z1mZum.
HaRRicH | Posted 8/12/2006 8:44:35 PM | message detail
I'm positive FFX-2 is bigger than DoC:FF7, and we never saw Rikku before 2k5 while how much Yuna boosts depends on what you think happened in Mario/Samus.
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Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest.
It still hurts to be rear-ended like that.....
consolefreak | Posted 8/13/2006 2:24:32 AM | message detail
You should read IGN's review. They said the story was pretty good and that sometimes they were actually having fun playing the game (!).

Otherwise, if we're going by simply being liked more, then Advent Children should be just as big a deal as far as boosts are concerned.

It is. It's a way bigger deal, really. No matter how you look at it. It grants far more exposure (considering the gameFAQs polls) and it makes the characters very likeable (probably more so than DoC or at least comparably so).

And when there is a huge overlap between certain characters (like Cloud - Link) you just have to know that likeability is a big factor.

Vincent though has a lot of potential boost to gain simply from recognition (as opposed to Cloud or Link), which a starring role in DoC coupled with a big role in AC should certainly do for him.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/13/2006 6:55:43 AM | message detail
IGN overrates pretty much everything. They're well known as one of the easiest review sites on the Internet. There are exceptions, but I doubt this will be one of them.
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Pity for the Gurus is treason to Z1mZum.