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SephirothG | Posted 8/7/2006 5:28:46 PM | message detail

WE WANT THE DAMN BRACKET LOLOLOL!!!1

*Creativename's websites*

Everything you could ever imagine:
http://www.GameFAQsContests.com
http://www.sc2k5.com
http://www.sc2k4.com

Sortable Table for Every Contest Match:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/19

*Extrapolated Standings*

Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
http://sc2k5.com/drupal/node/11

Simple Explanation of Extrapolated Standings:
A = Strongest Character
B = Character Weaker than A
C = Character Weaker than B
To figure out a character's Xsts Percentage ---> [(CvB)(BvA)]/50 = CvA
To compare how C would do against B ---> [(CvA)/(BvA)]*50 = CvB
To figure out how B would do against A ---> [(CvA)/(CvB)]*50 = BvA

Extrapolated Standings for All Contests (links to all brackets are on the left):
http://www.gamefaqscontests.com/drupal/

*Solarshadow's Sites*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/2003/index.html

Spring 2004 Contest: (not currently updating)
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/sp2004/index.html

*Old Stats topics*

Summer 2002 Contest:
http://solarshadow2002.tripod.com/page1.html

Summer 2003 Contest:
http://solarshadow-stats.tripod.com/archive/topic1p1.html
http://www.angelfire.com/games5/sum_contest/Page1.htm (See note)

2003-2004 Off-Season:
http://membres.lycos.fr/shindohikaru/stats1.htm (See note)
Note: Don't use the links in the topic to browse through the pages, change the page number in the URL.

Spring 2004 Pre-Season (Chance the number after "Season" to view other pages; there are three of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringPreSeason1.htm

Spring 2004 Contest (Change the number after "Stats" to view other pages; there are eight of them):
http://sc2k4.com/archive/04SpringStats1.htm

*Match Pictures*

All the match pics, save for three from 2002:
http://sc2k5.com/gallery/index.php

*Miscellaneous*

Creativename's Page of Links:
http://sc2k4.com/links.php

UltimaterializerX's Contest Sites (some offensive language):
http://prophetchallenge.hyperboards2.com/index.cgi
http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/

NGamer64's Archive Site and (lol) X-Stats Sim (some offensive language):
http://thengamer.com/gamefaqs/
http://thengamer.com/xstats
http://thengamer.com/stats

A List of Acronyms, A Lesson on Percentages, and Some Odd Matches:
http://freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/acronymspercentsanomalies.htm

All Time Top 25/Top 10 Lists:
http://www.rpgdl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3251

HaRRicH's Fourpack of Fun Board:
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007

TRE's poll listing (every poll!):
http://members.shaw.ca/tre/Polls.html

Aprosenf's Poll Script:
http://www.geocities.com/aprosenf/allpolls.txt

GameFAQs' Top 100 Games:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/top10/top10_100.html

!yawa tsoP

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SephirothG | Posted 8/7/2006 5:29:07 PM | message detail

Too soon?
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KingBartz | Posted 8/7/2006 5:29:24 PM | message detail

Too soon.
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FFDragon | Posted 8/7/2006 5:29:37 PM | message detail

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/7/2006 6:53:52 PM | message detail

Way too soon, given that it's offseason. But whatever.

~*ST*~
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/7/2006 7:48:17 PM | message detail

I wanted the free 500 post topic!
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/7/2006 8:14:21 PM | message detail

Not too soon.

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Explicit Content I have been thoroughly owned by Z1mZum. Cheer me up.
Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did!

longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/7/2006 8:15:11 PM | message detail

lol taggalack
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swirIdude | Posted 8/7/2006 8:27:11 PM | message detail

It should be noted that Devil May Cry was the Ultimate Loser of the Series Contest.

DMC < Sonic < SSB < SMB < FF < LoZ
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NewLib | Posted 8/7/2006 8:29:07 PM | message detail

Lopen and his risky picks.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/7/2006 11:45:59 PM | message detail

Live!
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Please nominate K. K. Slider (Animal Crossing) (Male) and Kazooie (Banjo-Kazooie) (Female)

LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 11:46:11 PM | message detail

because it makes more things make more sense.

But it doesn't. You're pointing to one thing being out of place, and that's Knuckles. Magus had one match that made him out of place. Maybe Knuckles is the only thing out of place in the Devil Division.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling

Draco1214 | Posted 8/7/2006 11:49:49 PM | message detail

Tag

And out of curiosity where would you guys place Auron and Kirby in that list of characters yoblazer posted in the other topic?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/7/2006 11:51:47 PM | message detail

Dante also happens to 58-42 his old self...granted, that was 'Viewtiful Dante', and Dante's image is one of the biggest things about him, but even then you're asking a lot of ground for DMC3 to make up. Even MGS3 only moved Snake so much.
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MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/7/2006 11:54:13 PM | message detail

And out of curiosity where would you guys place Auron and Kirby in that list of characters yoblazer posted in the other topic?

Kirby under Vincent, over Zelda... I guess. Auron right there too, even though statistically he's a bit lower... KH2 should help him.

Of course it could help Tifa too... and Aeris, I guess... but she sucked.

I don't know about Auron.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 11:54:28 PM | message detail

Honestly, these big boosts don't bother me that much. Nobody is bothered by Nintendo boosting and we're automatically assuming it's exclusive to them. Telling me "Knuckles boosting that much is outta whack!" isn't really giving me a convincing argument because I can point to Kirby, Luigi, or DK and say the same things. Yet few people will say their boosts make no sense.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling

YoAriel33 | Posted 8/7/2006 11:55:24 PM | message detail

Speaking of Dante, I'm pretty surprised that DMC3 managed to sell over 700,000 copies in the US. Most of those has to be after SC2K5, because I remember the game getting off to a pretty lackluster start.
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greatone10 | Posted 8/7/2006 11:57:57 PM | message detail

The lackluster start probably was because of the bad rap DMC2 caused. Once people heard it was good though, they bought it.
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Aprosenf | Posted 8/7/2006 11:58:13 PM | message detail

Your contest gurus:

1 - UltimaterializerX
2 - Team Rocket Elite
3 - Ngamer64
4 - ChichiriMuyo
5 - Explicit Content
6 - transience
7 - Master Moltar
8 - Mac Arrowny
9 - dethfdddddh
10 - Draco1214
11 - arkenaga
12 - Yoshifan823
13 - MasterofHunters
14 - Z1mZum
15 - Shivan Reincarnated
16 - MegatokyoEd
17 - DomaDragoon
18 - Janus5000
19 - Applekidjosh
20 - BlAcK TuRtLe
21 - bobeta
22 - greatone
23 - NewLib
24 - Big Bob
25 - HaRRicH
26 - meche313
27 - MarioSuperstar
28 - RockMFR 5
29 - cavalier lowen
30 - Bobby200614
31 - junglebob22
32 - Heroic Mario
33 - yoblazer33
34 - trizob the hedgehog
35 - Aprosenf
36 - MoogleKupo141
37 - voltch
38 - XxSoulxX, yo
39 - Lieutenant Kettch
40 - A worlds envy
41 - Osfan
42 - ff6man
43 - rpgapzx
44 - Viviff
45 - expaniol
46 - Red Sox 777
47 - ps2rulezzz
48 - cyko
49 - jonthomson
50 - jeevesthemole
51 - Luis_Sera89
52 - Phediuk
53 - FFDragon
54 - Vile Requiem
55 - charmander6000
56 - Radix
57 - Tediz247
58 - Brett with Atreyu
59 - Yesmar
60 - shadow8021
61 - Jman_gamerX8
62 - Snip Snip Now
63 - Tirofog
64 - LuniNutz99
65 - Zylo the wolf
66 - Kaxon
67 - KingBartz
68 - longbladeofhiko
69 - Dekar TKB
70 - spikevegeta
71 - Azp2k32
72 - Ori
73 - CountCrazy007
74 - Lopen
75 - Chinballz
76 - Soniclink15
77 - ccbfan
78 - Fett0001
79 - Dark115
80 - Dilated Chemist
81 - Steve Illumina
82 - outsider920
83 - ExThaNemesis
84 - HeroicGammaRay
85 - RPGuy96
86 - Pathetique
87 - SonicRaptor
88 - swirldude
89 - TheRye
90 - Steinershocker
91 - XIII is sexy
92 - Smurf
93 - freac
94 - Redtooth
95- FastFalcon05
96 - Rufus Shinra 18
97 - _Harmonica_
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XxSoulxX | Posted 8/7/2006 11:58:13 PM | message detail

I don't believe it was just Nintendo boosting. I believe it was the old-school characters getting stronger. Mario, DK, Luigi, Kirby, Sonic, Knuckles, Pac-Man... All main characters from the past (Kirby being the exception) and all still relatively popular today.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2006 12:00:13 AM | message detail

Kirby I've doubted since day one, but have come to more or less accept mostly because I have little reason to. Plus, he was behind Squall.

Luigi has been behind Squall and Link/Yoshi SFF, so I can tolerate his boost to an extent (and you've got to respect that kind of destruction of KOS-MOS). Still, I have my doubts. Despite my resolution to take Sonic over both Mega Man and Crono this year should they meet, I have a suspicion that Sonic performed a *little* too well on Mega Man than he should have...whether it be because of their rivalry, blue rSFF, or a random overperformance. Not that Sonic wasn't obviously stronger last year...I just think that Mega Man was the perfect opponent for him (much like I think Samus is the perfect opponent for Mega Man, cheap MM > Samus plug right hurr).

Donkey Kong is now a damn fraud as well as being this contest's biggest choke artist. No way is he as strong as he looks, and I'll take Vivi over the choker every time. No questions asked.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/8/2006 12:00:27 AM | message detail

Uhh...Kirby is pretty old in his own right.
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Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling

XxSoulxX | Posted 8/8/2006 12:04:03 AM | message detail

I know, but I meant old and popular. It wasn't until SSB where Kirby really became a mainstream hit like the rest of those characters.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2006 12:07:21 AM | message detail

but have come to more or less accept mostly because I have little reason to.

*little reason not to.

...honestly, it seems like I'm correcting every other post of mine nowadays...
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HaRRicH | Posted 8/8/2006 12:21:13 AM | message detail

Kratos Aurion > Diablo? Auron > Ganon? Revolver > Bowser? Ryu > Bowser? Cloud > Link every year? The cases are there, sure, and they aren't mistakes only you would make, but you have a record of taking your favorite when you can argue for it any. It's like HM, but smarter. =P

As for the Devil Division, and I hope this is my final post since I have a big funeral to go to (my first funeral of a fellow classmate, and a good one at that)...Vincent over-performing against Crono -- even if only a little -- makes some sense due to the reasoning I gave. Squall going down some doesn't make much sense, no, but then again as I noted earlier...is it possible Vincent rSFF'd Squall? We've seen Cloud/Squall and Aeris/Sora, plus it's a match where his optional status could barely -- if any -- hurt him...it's a stretch though, I'll admit, but I wouldn't rule it out that Squall could actually indirectly be stronger. Knuckles, if lowered some, matches his expectations against Solid Snake. Dante, if lowered some, makes his boost from DMC3 seem less friggin' huge since I hear it didn't sell well at all and DMC isn't THAT popular here since KH pointed it out. Magus, if lowered some, gets close to Tidus much like his four-pack in 2k3 suggested; I'll note thought that the more he's adjusted, the better Luca should have done on him in 2k4 (Luca-VC-through-Wesker-2k5 VS where you want Magus-2k5 to be)...but then again, it could be SFF in Magus/Luca as well; we don't know. If Terra is lowered, I believe it puts her under Ultros...which is weird in one hand 'cuz she's playable, but I personally have heard more talk about Kefka and Ultros -- the villains in FF3/6 -- more than Terra, so maybe there's something to that. If Geno dropped, it'd still be hard to tell what to think about it due to other possible anomalies (Squall/Geno, Vincent/Squall, Crono/Vincent). If Kerrigan goes down even more, nobody cares since she has so few fans anyway, and that's a good enough point for me.

With all of that, while some is iffy and some is not, I'll take my chances of dropping Squall some.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/8/2006 12:29:52 AM | message detail

Kratos Aurion > Diablo?

That had nothing to do with being a Kratos fan (I'm not a big one.

Auron > Ganon?

Nothing to do with being an Auron fan.

Revolver > Bowser?

Nothing to do with being an Ocelot fan.

Ryu > Bowser?

Nothing to do with being a Ryu fan.

Cloud > Link every year?

Nothing to do with being a Cloud fan.

I just don't like having boring, conventional brackets. If there's an upset worth taking, I'll take it.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling

LeonhartForever | Posted 8/8/2006 12:32:34 AM | message detail

DMC isn't THAT popular here since KH pointed it out.

It doesn't have to be. Kirby is even worse off than DMC, and they're relative equals in strength (and almost always have been, regardless of the fact that neither of them have been constant from year to year).

Magus, if lowered some,gets close to Tidus much like his four-pack in 2k3 suggested

He doesn't need to do that. Crono had significant boosts for three straight years. You're telling me there's not a chance Magus got his hands on that?
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling

ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/8/2006 12:40:03 AM | message detail

How could you ever justify Revolver over Bowser? The rest I could see (though the only one I ever took was Cloud > Link and that wasn't last year), but that one was never even vaguely questionable.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 8/8/2006 12:47:49 AM | message detail

Sorry to veer off topic, but I think this is very interesting...

Now: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2463
Then: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2340

Witnessing such a change in preference over the course of four months is really something. Only by combining the the PS2 and PS3 numbers from the recent poll do you get a percentage comparable to the PS3's pre-E3 one.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/8/2006 12:54:17 AM | message detail

Well, yeah, but that's to be expected considering hte shock of it costing $600. In a year it'll be better for Sony and their PS3, but for now? *shrugs*
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consolefreak | Posted 8/8/2006 1:30:51 AM | message detail

LeonhartForever | Posted 8/8/2006 1:33:23 AM | message detail

Hey, I'm not the only one who'd take Tifa over Ganon!

*high fives*
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling

Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2006 5:31:14 AM | message detail

Vincent overperforming on Crono isn't much of an argument when trying to justify Bowser > Vincent. Seriously, if you expect a leak to cause Vincent to overperform notably bigger than Bowser did in the first place, then what do you expect the actual release to do?

There's a reason why it's called the 'Sunshine' effect. Mario will never be as strong as he was during the day of Super Mario Sunshine's release. The actual game did very little in the long run, in all probability. Granted, we're talking about a character that's been in more games than I can count, and I'm expecting DoC to actually *do* something for Vincent, but in my mind he's already starting from a disadvantage as his 'true' strength is already lower than it seems. If he had ended up where Tifa is right now in the stats, no one would be arguing Vincent > Snake.

Not that it has to even be AC's effect -- it's just a convenient explanation (one with admitted holes). rSFF is thrown about just as much (if not more), the bandwagon effect has been suspected in more than a few overrating performances, or just plain old random overperformances with little to no explanation. It's not really trying to make things 'look right', it's just a belief. Vincent is damn cool, and he's the fan favorite of the biggest game on this site, and that counts for a lot. DoC will thrust him into the spotlight for the first time ever, and that counts for a lot. But -- at least indirectly -- there's no way I see him on Snake's or Bowser's level, and the circumstances around his match with Crono invite a certain amount of suspicion. He could completely verify his strength this year and put on a hefty boost to boot to make me look like a fool, y'know. But until then...well, I'll worry about him actually making the field in this bracket.

And you can't really use that poll to prove that people here care about DoC. Look at the competition there, and there's no "I don't care about any," option to siphon away votes either. Vincent better be glad that he gets all of his power from his miniscule role and optional character status, because the power he will gain from DoC will not come from how much people like it.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 8/8/2006 5:35:34 AM | message detail

Vincent not making the field this year is an absolute crime.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2006 5:45:37 AM | message detail

Crime or not, Vincent barely gets the 7/8 seed needed for a 32 male bracket based on last year's nominations. Throw in the chaff of Board 8's fads and joke nominations to clutter things up along with less of a push for him now that he's already made a contest, and you have a recipe for another Aeris -- which is ironic, seeing as how under this system Aeris is virtually guaranteed to make the field this year.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 8/8/2006 5:48:31 AM | message detail

Vincent at 7 might be a big bracket buster if he's put in the right place.
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Zylo the wolf | Posted 8/8/2006 5:50:51 AM | message detail

When did CjayC state that we will have a 32 female bracket? I think this nomination system is just a way to get more females into the contest.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2006 5:59:16 AM | message detail

Assuming the Top 4 are in a ToC (and we really better, or he's not making the field or will be in a hopeless match), you've got four top seeds in Samus, Sonic, Mega Man, and Snake. Of those, only Snake has been slightly debatable for Vincent. And I can barely take that upset seriously. Move on to the next likely 2 seeds -- Crono, Kirby, Bowser, Ganondorf, Sora, Dante, and Master Chief are all candidates. Except we already saw Vincent own Dante before DoC, and no one reasonable is going to take Sora or Master Chief over Vincent on this board. A good casual buster to be certain, but as Chichiri said, not hard at all for the board. And the other ones simply range from "too rich for my blood" to "lol not happening" (Crono). He's not that great of a bracket buster looking at it that way.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2006 6:00:55 AM | message detail

I assume the 32-male and 32-female split because it seems like the easiest, most 'readily apparent' explanation for what Ceej is doing. I'm not completely certain of it by any means, but I'd stake good money on it happening.
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Read_Only_Thx | Posted 8/8/2006 6:04:02 AM | message detail

Wow, yesterday's poll broke 120k. Never expected that on a non-contest poll.

I think we may see a few odd boosts that will make little sense because of these numbers. I wouldn't be surprised if Nintendo characters got boosts that would cancel out KH2's effects.

And I think Vincent has a better chance of being snubbed completely than he does losing to Bowser.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2006 6:06:06 AM | message detail

Bah, I forgot to address Kirby/Vincent. That's the one match I could very well see go in Vincent's favor, though that stems more from my doubt of Kirby than anything else. That would make a good bracket buster all around.
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consolefreak | Posted 8/8/2006 6:07:55 AM | message detail

Hey, I'm not the only one who'd take Tifa over Ganon!

:-) I strongly considered putting her over Bowser as well, and wouldn't be surprised if she beat him head to head.

There's a reason why it's called the 'Sunshine' effect. Mario will never be as strong as he was during the day of Super Mario Sunshine's release. The actual game did very little in the long run, in all probability. Granted, we're talking about a character that's been in more games than I can count, and I'm expecting DoC to actually *do* something for Vincent, but in my mind he's already starting from a disadvantage as his 'true' strength is already lower than it seems. If he had ended up where Tifa is right now in the stats, no one would be arguing Vincent > Snake.

I wouldn't compare a leak against an actual release though, certainly if we're talking about bringing new people to the site (which is what happened with Mario).

Seriously, I'm a huge FFVII fan, but I didn't even watch the leak before that match (lol anecdotal)

Btw, I wouldn't be very surprised if Tifa turns out to be indirectly stronger than Snake this year.

Not that it has to even be AC's effect -- it's just a convenient explanation (one with admitted holes). rSFF is thrown about just as much (if not more), the bandwagon effect has been suspected in more than a few overrating performances, or just plain old random overperformances with little to no explanation. It's not really trying to make things 'look right', it's just a belief. Vincent is damn cool, and he's the fan favorite of the biggest game on this site, and that counts for a lot. DoC will thrust him into the spotlight for the first time ever, and that counts for a lot. But -- at least indirectly -- there's no way I see him on Snake's or Bowser's level, and the circumstances around his match with Crono invite a certain amount of suspicion. He could completely verify his strength this year and put on a hefty boost to boot to make me look like a fool, y'know. But until then...well, I'll worry about him actually making the field in this bracket.

Before the contest, I didn't expect Vincent to be nearly as strong as he turned out to be. But that was because I thought his secret character status would hurt him and put him well below Tifa and Aeris. After the contest, I'm certain that he's stronger than Tifa and very well-known, regardless of a possible overperformance on Crono.

Not that I even believe in a real overperformance, anyway. It just doesn't seem logical to me.

His previous matches were pretty convincing as well. Beating Squall, who was consistently able to defeat Kirby (stat-wise, and once in a direct match-up) and then seeing Kirby (a very impressive one, admitted) putting those numbers on Bowser just told me that he's at least close to Bowser stat-wise.

And I'm not exactly buying Bowser's number either. He must've overperformed some on Snake. Though not in the same manner as, say, Frog, because that just doesn't make sense (and Bowser is a lot more well-know, relying less on match pic).

Right after last contest, I'd think Bowser would win with like 52% (which is better for him than the stats predict) but after DoC and especially AC I just don't see it happening.

Btw, I'm also worrying about him not even making it in the first place :(

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the character battle!

consolefreak | Posted 8/8/2006 6:08:02 AM | message detail

And you can't really use that poll to prove that people here care about DoC. Look at the competition there, and there's no "I don't care about any," option to siphon away votes either. Vincent better be glad that he gets all of his power from his miniscule role and optional character status, because the power he will gain from DoC will not come from how much people like it.

Yeah you're right. I voted DoC despite not intending to buy it. But I'm sure it will sell great regardless and cause a nice little influx. Also, minuscule role? You mean from FFVII? Because he rode that role to a 30%+ Xs stat :d His role in AC is pretty big too.

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the character battle!

consolefreak | Posted 8/8/2006 6:11:09 AM | message detail

He's not that great of a bracket buster looking at it that way.

Kirby, like you corrected, but also, you have to admit he has a chance to upset someone like Snake or Sonic. If only a small one, it's worth a shot IMO. Seriously, the noble nine falling apart would be quite a sight.

Of course, that's just board upsets. In general, he has the potential to be a goldmine for board users (like you pointed out).

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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the character battle!

Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2006 6:11:12 AM | message detail

I point out the miniscule role because if *that* alone can do so much for him, then him starring in his own game should do THAT much more for him. The fact that he has a miniscule role is a blessing rather than a curse when looking at how much DoC could do for him. If Vincent was a character with Mario's storied history, DoC wouldn't even be in the equation.
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consolefreak | Posted 8/8/2006 6:13:31 AM | message detail

I point out the miniscule role because if *that* alone can do so much for him, then him starring in his own game should do THAT much more for him. The fact that he has a miniscule role is a blessing rather than a curse when looking at how much DoC could do for him. If Vincent was a character with Mario's storied history, DoC wouldn't even be in the equation.

Ah like that. Good point. He's a lot more prominent in AC when compared to FFVII as well.
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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the character battle!

Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2006 6:14:56 AM | message detail

consolefreak | Posted 8/8/2006 6:21:10 AM | message detail

Honestly, despite me adoring him above all other characters, Snake should really be grouped with Bowser, while Sonic should be grouped with Mega Man. He's clearly above Snake's level, and if Vincent gets it within him to take on Sonic, then Mega Man and even Crono need to start worrying. I can't see any of that happening, which is why I have always maintained that the only shot at breaking the Noble Nine comes through Snake. Everyone else is too strong, too iconic. I'll honestly be worried about a Snake/Sonic match even after MGS4 and SSBB.

I just think Snake would put up better numbers on Vincent than Sonic or maybe even Mega Man. The adoration you have for Snake seems to be a common one, and I think the SFF (yes, I believe there would be quite a lot of it) would prevent Vincent from winning.

Indirectly, naturally, I'd see him over Snake before anyone else. Directly, I'd take him over Sonic and Mega Man before that.

So as far as huge upset potential goes, Sonic > Mega Man > Snake > Crono IMO (Crono is a bit of a stretch, he'd need a 4% boost for that, at such a high level).

I see him running neck to neck with Sonic, Mega Man or even Snake. If you don't support the SFF theory, surely you can see him threatening Snake?
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Nominate Vincent Valentine for the character battle!

Karma Hunter | Posted 8/8/2006 6:30:08 AM | message detail

I support Vincent being the biggest non-Noble threat to Snake, honestly. FFVII/MGS SFF has proven to be rather severe, and I really can't see anything FFVII getting SFFed by anything other than FFVII. Vincent ain't getting on Snake's level indirectly in my mind, but looking at it from a perspective of rSFF, that match becomes a lot more interesting in my mind.

Sonic and up just ain't happening for me, though.
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CountCrazy007 | Posted 8/8/2006 6:30:38 AM | message detail

Wait... we're not putting Vincent over Noble Nine characters, are we? Also, Snake is the weakest Noble Nine at the moment, but after that boost Snake will get I'm leaning towards Crono, honestly...
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