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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/7/2006 11:18:41 AM | message detail
I wouldn't imagine you being alone in that decision either. There is nothing wrong with doing such a thing, of course, but I hardly think it is going to favor Nintendo characters in such a fashion unless the matches are just horribly obvious (Luigi against, say, Vivi). In this case, though, I'm definitely taking Vincent over any non-Noble Nine character and Snake should he meet up with them. And, of course, I'm taking Cloud over Link. As long as the Wii doesn't come out before the final match, I'll be liking my decision, too.

The Nintendo v. Square match-ups should definitely be something else though. I would agree with you on that. Both of them should be at their strongest this year, I think.

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consolefreak | Posted 8/7/2006 11:24:31 AM | message detail
The series contest is in no way an indicator of further Nintendo domination. Mario getting 47% on FF just proves that any comparison to be made between series and characters is highly inaccurate.

In retrospect, FF losing to Zelda is not very surprising. Given the importance voter's attached to the whole series thing, it is understandable that a series with no bad games and a more united fanbase beats out a series with immense potential, but some weaknesses and a fanbase that just isn't attached enough.

Zelda owning FF in the following poll a lot worse than the 51-49 of the previous day shows this.

Other than that, there's really no reason for Nintendo to grow further apart from Square since the last contest. Unlike last year, Square's been very impressive this year with big releases all around.

Vincent over Bowser is a no-brainer IMO, and if it weren't for TP I'd take Cloud over Link for the finals.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/7/2006 11:30:13 AM | message detail
In retrospect, FF losing to Zelda is not very surprising. Given the importance voter's attached to the whole series thing, it is understandable that a series with no bad games and a more united fanbase beats out a series with immense potential, but some weaknesses and a fanbase that just isn't attached enough.

That is exactly what I was thinking after the match was over, too.

The big argument in favor of Final Fantasy was that its fanbase was "diverse" and that it would be a good thing. The reality of that, of course, is that it's probably not good to have such a diverse fanbase over a more united fanbase. Someone can like FFVII and FFX more than any singular Zelda game, hate the rest of the FF series, and love all the Zelda games as a whole. How that person votes would very likely be Zelda.

I think Final Fantasy, just as far as games/series goes, is at its strongest when the games are split up into individual games. I wouldn't dare even think that Ocarina of Time stands a chance at beating Final Fantasy VII because of the series contest results, for example.

Other than that, there's really no reason for Nintendo to grow further apart from Square since the last contest. Unlike last year, Square's been very impressive this year with big releases all around.

Exactly what I'm thinking again.

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SmurfX | Posted 8/7/2006 11:36:02 AM | message detail
On a scale of Tanner-Link how kickass would having this bracket be?

~~Male Bracket~~

~~Hyrule~~

1 Link
8 Phoenix Wright

4 Shadow The Hedgehog
5 Leon Kennedy

3 Vincent Valentine
6 Luigi

2 Solid Snake
7 Riku


~~Meteor~~

1 Sephiroth
8 CATS

4 Ness
5 Tidus

3 Crono
6 Zero

2 Mega Man
7 Dante

~~Mushroom~~

1 Mario
8 Soma Cruz

4 Kirby
5 Gordon Freeman

3 Sora
6 Bowser

2 Sonic The Hedgehog
7 Nightmare

~~Midgar~~


1 Cloud Strife
8 Fox McCloud

4 Master Chief
5 Tommy Vercetti

3 Knuckles The Echidna
6 Alucard

2 Squall Leonhart
7 Magus Zeal



Female Bracket


~~Zebes~~


1 Samus Aran
8 Ms.Pac-Man

4 Nel Zelpher
5 Sarah Kerrigan

3 Celes
6 Kairi

2 Amy Rose
7 Ulala

~~Nemesis~~


1 Jill Valentine
8 Trixie Kong

4 Princess Garnet "Dagger"
5 Aika

3 Lyndis
6 Flonne

2 Lara Croft
7 Xelha

~~Spira~~


1 Yuna
8 Cream The Rabbit

4 Krystal
5 Claire Redfield

3 Rinoa Heartily
6 Tina Armstrong

2 Rikku
7 Kasumi


~~7th Heaven~~


1 Tifa Lockhart
8 Candy Suxx

4 Princess Peach
5 Princess Zelda

3 Yuffie Kisaragi
6 KOS-MOS

2 Aeris Gainsborough
7 Dizzy
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/7/2006 11:37:19 AM | message detail
That is a Tanner-like bracket, Smurf.

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CountCrazy007 | Posted 8/7/2006 11:45:51 AM | message detail
The bracket's ALRIGHT. A good portion of the females are probably off, as well as a few males. I wouldn't put it all the way down to Tanner, though...
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/7/2006 11:47:29 AM | message detail
When all three FFVII females are in the same division, Peach/Zelda is a match, a division like Nemesis exists, and not one interesting match happens in Samus's entire division, I would say that is a Tanner-like bracket. That's just the female side, too.

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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/7/2006 11:48:21 AM | message detail
~~7th Heaven~~


1 Tifa Lockhart
8 Candy Suxx

4 Princess Peach
5 Princess Zelda

3 Yuffie Kisaragi
6 KOS-MOS

2 Aeris Gainsborough
7 Dizzy
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/7/2006 11:48:22 AM | message detail
Ctrl + F - "Ganondorf"

Not found, eh? Instant Tanner.
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SmurfX | Posted 8/7/2006 11:49:03 AM | message detail
Nel v Kerrigan
Amy v Celes

Those are matches that are unpredictable. Your ability to pin down untested characters amazes me.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/7/2006 11:50:04 AM | message detail
Why is Nel Zelpher from Star Ocean 3 in the bracket?

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SmurfX | Posted 8/7/2006 11:51:58 AM | message detail
She's the most popular from SO3, that's why. <_<
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/7/2006 11:52:52 AM | message detail
... No, she's not.

But the fact that you set up a match with bottom of the barrel fodder is what amazes me.

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consolefreak | Posted 8/7/2006 11:55:59 AM | message detail
And, of course, I'm taking Cloud over Link. As long as the Wii doesn't come out before the final match, I'll be liking my decision, too.

Heh. Would you take Cloud despite TP releasing? Or are you banking on it not releasing in time?

I've been thinking to take Cloud even with TP releasing, but I've convinced myself that's just bias talking. Link has too much of an edge in that scenario, IMO.

I think Final Fantasy, just as far as games/series goes, is at its strongest when the games are split up into individual games. I wouldn't dare even think that Ocarina of Time stands a chance at beating Final Fantasy VII because of the series contest results, for example.

Exactly. FFVII's been as high on the top 50 as it's ever been (well, it's at least comparable to last year). I don't see it losing steam any time soon.


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Nintendo Wiii | Posted 8/7/2006 11:57:43 AM | message detail
Hype for TP is a much more dangerous weapon than the game itself. I don't think Nintendo are capable of triple A games anymore, so it could help Cloud if it's released.
Janus5000 | Posted 8/7/2006 12:17:34 PM | message detail
*looks at male bracket*

...All of one match I'd have to think about. Nice.

Female bracket's a bit better, though there'd still only be maybe five tough ones.
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Smurfs_DaBomb | Posted 8/7/2006 12:20:42 PM | message detail
3 Sora
6 Bowser

4 Master Chief
5 Tommy Vercetti

3 Knuckles The Echidna
6 Alucard

2 Squall Leonhart
7 Magus Zeal

4 Nel Zelpher
5 Sarah Kerrigan

4 Krystal
5 Claire Redfield

3 Rinoa Heartily
6 Tina Armstrong

4 Princess Peach
5 Princess Zelda

3 Yuffie Kisaragi
6 KOS-MOS


All of those round 1 matches are worthy of discussion. Which is plenty, IMO.
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Kaxon | Posted 8/7/2006 12:26:38 PM | message detail
I'd say it's a Mr. Driller bracket. Because nothing is as bad as Tanner. But on the male side you have the inclusion of Ness and Shadow, you have Crono being underseeded yet again, Zero, Dante, and Kirby being completely wasted, and an unnecessary rehash of the bottom half of the Devil division (why do Knuckles, Magus, and Squall need to be in a fourpack two years in a row). On the female side you have this:

1 Tifa Lockhart
8 Candy Suxx

4 Princess Peach
5 Princess Zelda

3 Yuffie Kisaragi
6 KOS-MOS

2 Aeris Gainsborough
7 Dizzy


Three of the more interesting characters in the female bracket are wasted (Peach, Yuffie, and KOS-MOS), and Tifa/Zelda and winner/Aeris are both one round earlier than they should be.
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Viviff | Posted 8/7/2006 12:27:17 PM | message detail
The only thing we'd discuss in Sora/Bowser is how easily the Koopa King breaks 60%
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Janus5000 | Posted 8/7/2006 12:28:18 PM | message detail
6 Bowser
4 Master Chief
3 Knuckles The Echidna
2 Squall Leonhart

4 Nel Zelpher
5 Sarah Kerrigan

I actually have to think about that one.

5 Claire Redfield
3 Rinoa Heartily
5 Princess Zelda
3 Yuffie Kisaragi

I thought those were all fairly easy - the only match on the male side I had to think about was Snake/Vincent.

I thought Celes/Kairi was the hardest round one match on the female side.

*looks over again*

...No Chun-Li? Wha?
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/7/2006 12:28:36 PM | message detail
Bowser > Sora (You can use their performances on Snake, but Sora would have also needed a massive gain from KH2 to catch up to Bowser.)

Chief > Vercetti (Cause Crono said so)

Knuckles > Alucard (46% on Squall > 45% on Sora)

Squall > Magus (Wouldn't have been saying that one year ago)

Kerrigan > Nel (Kerrigan may be fodder, but at least people know her)

Rinoa > Tina

Zelda > Peach

Yuffie > KOS-MOS

All easy to pick IMO.
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Kaxon | Posted 8/7/2006 12:41:01 PM | message detail
3 Sora
6 Bowser


Sora's chances are pretty slim. Sora got 35% on Samus. Bowser virtually tied Snake, who got 42.5% on Mario. Or looked at another way, Bowser is reasonably close to Ganon. Ganon did 5% better on Samus than Sora despite any SFF.

4 Master Chief
5 Tommy Vercetti


Could be a debatable match.

3 Knuckles The Echidna
6 Alucard


Could be debated.

2 Squall Leonhart
7 Magus Zeal


How in the world is this debatable? Magus lost to Knuckles, Squall beat Knuckles. The last year could only have helped Squall (KH2).

4 Nel Zelpher
5 Sarah Kerrigan

4 Krystal
5 Claire Redfield


May be debatable, I'm not sure because I've never head of Nel and I don't know much about Krystal or Claire.

3 Rinoa Heartily
6 Tina Armstrong


Despite the hate, Rinoa's not Gordon Freeman. She should win with ease.

4 Princess Peach
5 Princess Zelda


Zelda wins, end of story.

3 Yuffie Kisaragi
6 KOS-MOS


Some people might try to debate it, but I'm pretty confident Yuffie wins easily.
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Master Moltar | Posted 8/7/2006 12:43:55 PM | message detail
Oh, and Claire > Krystal. I must have missed that one.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/7/2006 1:47:13 PM | message detail
The bracket is bad solely because of 32/32. Thanks to everyone who whined about a female contest for ruining Character Battle V.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/7/2006 2:01:13 PM | message detail
I'd just like to make a few points about NSMB and DoC...

1. DMC2 was poorly received. It has 72% on GameRankings.

2. Dirge of Cerberus is poorly received. It currently has 46% on GameRankings, and reviews that are not on that site yet (EGM, others) don't look any better. There's a big difference between DMC2 and DoC. The ****ing Bouncer of all games got better reviews than DoC. This is even worse than Shadow the Hedgehog.

3. NSMB sold 200,000 better in June than in May. Yes, I know that's due to the DSL, but DS games tend not to be very frontloaded. This is the biggest Mario game since Super Mario 64, and it's going to have some influence.

4. This is completely unrelated, but Sonic Rush's sales have been steadily increasing, and are up to 239,000 as of June. <3

The bracket is bad solely because of 32/32. Thanks to everyone who whined about a female contest for ruining Character Battle V.

Which was all of five people. I sincerely doubt that their whining influenced CJayC in the slightest.
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/7/2006 2:01:35 PM | message detail
Prediction Time!

~~Male Bracket~~

~~Hyrule~~

1 Link
8 Phoenix Wright

4 Shadow The Hedgehog
5 Leon Kennedy

3 Vincent Valentine
6 Luigi

2 Solid Snake
7 Riku

Leon/Shadow will be interesting and I also think Luigi will do better on Vincent than what most people will think and Snake/Vincent will go the way as Snake/Bowser.

~~Meteor~~

1 Sephiroth
8 CATS

4 Ness
5 Tidus

3 Crono
6 Zero

2 Mega Man
7 Dante

All simple matches except for Mega Man/Crono. I think Mega Man has the power to do it this time.

~~Mushroom~~

1 Mario
8 Soma Cruz

4 Kirby
5 Gordon Freeman

3 Sora
6 Bowser

2 Sonic The Hedgehog
7 Nightmare

Yay for Mario/Sonic, Freeman might fall below 40% this time and even with Kingdom Hearts II Bowser shouldn't have too much of a problem.

~~Midgar~~


1 Cloud Strife
8 Fox McCloud

4 Master Chief
5 Tommy Vercetti

3 Knuckles The Echidna
6 Alucard

2 Squall Leonhart
7 Magus Zeal

Squall/Knux/Magus but in different order, I don't think anything will change.

Female Bracket


~~Zebes~~


1 Samus Aran
8 Ms.Pac-Man

4 Nel Zelpher
5 Sarah Kerrigan

3 Celes
6 Kairi

2 Amy Rose
7 Ulala

So much fodder, but what do you expect. Even though I think Kairi will that her 4-pack she's still weak.

~~Nemesis~~


1 Jill Valentine
8 Trixie Kong

4 Princess Garnet "Dagger"
5 Aika

3 Lyndis
6 Flonne

2 Lara Croft
7 Xelha

The only people that I know are Jill, Lara and Trixie. The 4/5 and 3/6 matches I just took the top seed.

~~Spira~~


1 Yuna
8 Cream The Rabbit

4 Krystal
5 Claire Redfield

3 Rinoa Heartily
6 Tina Armstrong

2 Rikku
7 Kasumi

Yuna/Rikku will be interesting and I guess some people can make a case for Rinoa.

~~7th Heaven~~


1 Tifa Lockhart
8 Candy Suxx

4 Princess Peach
5 Princess Zelda

3 Yuffie Kisaragi
6 KOS-MOS

2 Aeris Gainsborough
7 Dizzy

Stacked divisions, Peach seems wasted. My suggestion would be to move the Spira Division so it will verse the Zebes Division and combined the other two divisions. I'm going for the upset and take Aeris.

Link > Sephiroth
Cloud > Mario
Samus > Jill
Aeris > Yuna

Link > Cloud
Samus > Aeris

Link > Samus
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/7/2006 2:08:38 PM | message detail
As for the people who wanted Jay Solano, well to be truthful he was a joke, sure he fits the describtion of a true character, but CJayC knows the only reason we are nominating him is so we can see him crash and burn, so unless people outside the board start nominating him (but since no one owns a N-Gage that won't happen) he is still technically a joke character. At least back in 2k4 the people who nominated Tanner thought he had strength.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 8/7/2006 2:12:11 PM | message detail
Tanner didn't get in by nominations. CJayC handpicked him for the contest.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/7/2006 2:14:52 PM | message detail
Also: Super Princess Peach is now over 200,000 copies sold. It's by no means a big game, but I could certainly see it surpassing something like Symphony of the Night in sales.
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/7/2006 2:15:18 PM | message detail
He did? I don't remember him saying that.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 8/7/2006 2:22:13 PM | message detail
Only the top 32 were chosen directly by nominations. The 15 and 16 seeds (other than CATS) were chosen because they were "fairly well-known to the mass public".
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/7/2006 2:27:34 PM | message detail
I think he said that because of the 10 character cap and I think he also said that all characters were all in the top 100 nominated (though you should know for sure). Even then Tanner did receive enough nominations to beat out other "fairly well-known to the mass public" characters.
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Yesmar | Posted 8/7/2006 2:32:36 PM | message detail
Thanks to everyone who whined about a female contest for ruining Character Battle V.

How is wanting the next mini-contest to be a Female Contest the same as Ceej implementing some bizarre male/female hybrid as the main Character Battle?

NO ONE suggested this. Anyone wanting the female contest wanted it by itself. Not the godawful hybrid that we should be seeing soon.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 2:41:09 PM | message detail
The bracket is bad solely because of 32/32.

The bracket has more potential than the Villains Contest did. Stop whining about it. It's not anywhere near as bad as people are making it out to be.
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ExplicitAriel | Posted 8/7/2006 3:13:57 PM | message detail
Hmmm... still got plenty o' stats topic to catch up on, but I was really hoping to see a bracket come out today. It still might, but I just don't see it happening.

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ExplicitAriel | Posted 8/7/2006 3:15:21 PM | message detail
Also, anyone who thinks Knux/Alucard or Bowser/Sora is debatable should just not submit a bracket.

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DomaDragoon | Posted 8/7/2006 3:41:53 PM | message detail
Also, anyone who thinks Knux/Alucard or Bowser/Sora is debatable should just not submit a bracket.

That's a little condescending, don't you think? I mean, yeah, I personally think Knuckles and Bowser win those handily, but I can see a case for the other two. Especially since Alucard got DoS and Sora got KH2.

It's all a matter of how much you believe the new releases will affect the voting base.
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ExplicitAriel | Posted 8/7/2006 3:45:06 PM | message detail
If DoS boosts Alucard that high up, I'll do a backflip off the empire state building with a bomb attached to me just to be sure that if the ridiculous force that my body would hit the ground with didn't kill me, the bomb would.
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Janus5000 | Posted 8/7/2006 3:47:47 PM | message detail
What if you die before you hit the ground?
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DomaDragoon | Posted 8/7/2006 3:51:53 PM | message detail
Knux could fall, too. I'm not saying that it's going to happen, or even that it's likely to be close. I just think that it's fair to admit that the possibility, however remote, is there.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/7/2006 3:53:26 PM | message detail
What if you die before you hit the ground?

Limecat would not be pleased.

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/7/2006 3:56:33 PM | message detail
All of those matches listed earlier (Vincent v. Bowser/Kirby/Master Chief) would have me choosing Vincent with complete confidence in each one. He has far too much in his favor to lose any of them, I think.

I don't think he has enough in his favor to lose to Bowser. Yeah, he'll beat Master Chief pretty easily (poor MC), but Bower is a very different ballgame. Bowser hung pretty damn close to snake, regardless of whatever minuscule picture effect there was, and that isn't something I can see Vincent doing.

Looking back on Vincent's past performances, he beats Kerrigan, big deal, soundly beats Dante, impressive, edges out Squall, yes important, but it's no secret FF7 > FF8 here, and by a lot, and then loses to Crono in a mild way. Bowser beats Chun-Li, bigger deal than Kerrigan at least, very soundly beats Ryu (which I still think is impressive, if not odd) (I would be split on Dante vs Ryu), doesn't beat Kirby as decisively as he should, still an odd match, and then hangs incredibly close with Snake. To me, that's more impressive than Vincent's track.

He has Advent Children and Dirge of Cerberus when it comes out, and that is important, but Bowser is still Bowser. It's a good match I'd like to see, but I'm still siding with Bowser.
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CountCrazy007 | Posted 8/7/2006 4:00:34 PM | message detail
Yeah, FF is right. Vincent > Bowser > Kirby/MC
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TheFreeshooter | Posted 8/7/2006 4:03:34 PM | message detail
Meh, Vincent could beat Bowser, but I'd still be fairly confident in choosing Bowser. Individual games mean nothing to Nintendo characters. As long as there is a steady Nintendo influence on this site, Bowser along with others will continue to hold their own.
Yesmar | Posted 8/7/2006 4:04:31 PM | message detail
This was posted earlier in regards to "bad" games giving characters boosts.

FFX-2 managed to give Yuna a boost and got Rikku into the contest. DMC2 managed to give Dante a boost.

FFX-2 was well received by both critics and GameFAQS at large. It was voted the second best game of the year. The board might hate the game, but FFX-2 is not considered a bad game by GameFAQS at large.

As to DMC, as someone pointed out earlier, DMC 2, despite the lackluster reception did get a 72% on GameRankings, as compared to 46% for Dirge of Cerebus. DoC's score should go up once the new version is released, but that's still a substantial difference. It's not that it's getting "not great" or lackluster reviews. It's getting actual bad reviews, from what I've heard.

This is just a theory I have about Dante, and I don't expect anyone to go along with it, but I have a suspicion that Dante's increase came not from DMC 2, but from the larger casual vote base during 2003. Dante is a casual friendly Playstation character, as are Snake and Crash*, two characters who also received boosts in 2003 for no apparent reason. Snake got a sizable boost too, and what did he have? Substance?

As to Vincent boosting due to DoC, I have no doubt that he will, but not just because he's in a game regardless of how good it is. I think the fact that Vincent has a starring is a key point there. Even if the game is a little stinky the fact that it's his first starring role should be able to give him a boost. Of course, IMO, arguing about DoC will be far more relevant once the game comes out and until then, arguing that he will or will not get a boost is partly speculative.


*Crash did boost if you account for WDF.
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CountCrazy007 | Posted 8/7/2006 4:04:33 PM | message detail
XD My post should've read Bowser > Vincent
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/7/2006 4:36:30 PM | message detail
I've been thinking about how a Sonic/Mega Man rematch would turn out. A 700 vote deficit is not difficult to overcome. What do you guys think?
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/7/2006 4:45:27 PM | message detail
I've been thinking about how a Sonic/Mega Man rematch would turn out. A 700 vote deficit is not difficult to overcome. What do you guys think?

I think Sonic would have won if it wasn't on a school day. The upset could very well happen.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/7/2006 4:46:52 PM | message detail
Bowser hung pretty damn close to snake, regardless of whatever minuscule picture effect there was, and that isn't something I can see Vincent doing.

And I can see Vincent defeating Snake, something that Bowser could not do. There is no ignoring the fact that Vincent and Bowser are already close. The comparisons you went on to make serve no purpose whatsoever when they actually ended up very close in strength. The fact that you viewed one more impressive than the other also has nothing to do with how this year would go. If you think Dirge of Cerberus, Advent Children, and Kingdom Hearts II wouldn't put Vincent over Bowser, then you're expecting some type of fairly significant boost from Bowser for whatever reason. Vincent has the most room for improvement of the non-Noble Nine characters by far. Trying to undermine Vincent's upcoming boost or what he did in the previous contest is silly.

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Draco1214 | Posted 8/7/2006 4:48:34 PM | message detail
then you're expecting some type of fairly significant boost from Bowser for whatever reason.

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