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| THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/7/2006 7:46:46 PM | message detail |
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So they're not going to mindlessly vote for Final Fantasy, which
does include FFVII, but they're going to favor Vincent? The Square
influx would have let FF win; if it didn't, I don't see how that's
going to help not even the main character of FFVII. Because characters != games/series, maybe? "So they're not going to vote for OoT over FFVII, but they're going to favor Link over Cloud?" Yeah, apparently they are. --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| TheFreeshooter | Posted 8/7/2006 7:59:24 PM | message detail |
| Leonhart acts like a grumpy old man... except he's younger than me. =P |
| ILessThan3Tifa | Posted 8/7/2006 8:00:56 PM | message detail |
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Leonhart acts like a grumpy old man... except he's younger than me Am I? --- "As long as I'm with you...as long as you're by my side...I won't give up, even if I'm scared." - Tifa Lockheart |
| TheFreeshooter | Posted 8/7/2006 8:01:24 PM | message detail |
| Yes.... you are. |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/7/2006 8:01:42 PM | message detail |
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Because characters != games/series, maybe? "So they're not going to vote for OoT over FFVII, but they're going to favor Link over Cloud?" Yeah, apparently they are. I'm currently busy, but I will come up with a logical response to that; I just can't think of one at the moment. >_> --- Revenge is a dish best served by Z1mZum in the 2k6 Series Guru Contest. |
| Janus5000 | Posted 8/7/2006 8:06:01 PM | message detail |
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The Square influx would have let FF win Not necessarily - for all we know FF loses to SMB without it. --- Those who are ordinary gurus decide nothing. Z1mZum decides everything. Including my nominating Toadette. |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/7/2006 8:07:37 PM | message detail |
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Yes.... you are. Leon is 46. --- Explicit Content I have been thoroughly owned by Z1mZum. Cheer me up. Cheer Up Emo Kids - Team Tranny Did! |
| Slowflake | Posted 8/7/2006 9:46:53 PM | message detail |
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Check out the newest Daily Grind. So does that mean no bracket this week? BOO. --- i thought people on gamefaqs had good taste in games i guess i was wrong -EstUmbra Oooh... Yeah... I need... condom... sixty nine!! -IENJOYHAM |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/7/2006 9:52:47 PM | message detail |
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That is because the four reviews or so that are actually up reviewed
the Japanese version of the game for whatever reason, as mentioned. It
would be nice if those few would actually go back to review the much
improved American version of the game eventually, but it seems
doubtful. I would expect Dirge of Cerberus's reviews to end up
somewhere around that 70% mark, which is all it really needs to be. It got 46.7% from EGM, which is hardly better than 46%. American reviews are no more impressive than Japanese ones. How much of a boost do you think Shadow the Hedgehog got from his game? NSMB wasn't really that big of a deal here. If that poll was any indication, there is still a large chunk of this site that doesn't even have the game. That was before the DSL came out. NSMB was far more popular in its second month than in its first month. --- Pity for the Gurus is treason to Z1mZum. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/7/2006 10:08:33 PM | message detail |
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Also: the single most convincing point indicating a Bowser loss to
Vincent is, IMO, Solid ****. Of course, it's also possible that Vincent
overperformed on Crono, or that Crono overperformed on Mario, but still. --- Pity for the Gurus is treason to Z1mZum. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 10:09:58 PM | message detail |
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Crono...overperformed on...Mario? Where would you get such a notion? --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/7/2006 10:14:25 PM | message detail |
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It got 46.7% from EGM, which is hardly better than 46%. American
reviews are no more impressive than Japanese ones. How much of a boost
do you think Shadow the Hedgehog got from his game? EGM's scores for games bug the crap out of me. I get those things on a monthly basis, but I almost never find myself agreeing with them at all. Of course, what I agree with doesn't matter, but I'd much rather wait for Internet publications to post their scores. And Shadow the Hedgehog is hardly something I'd expect GameFAQs to express any kind of enjoyment in in the first place. That was before the DSL came out. NSMB was far more popular in its second month than in its first month. That was after the DSL came out, actually. The DSL came out June 11th and that poll was taken June 24th. --- The winner begins with Z1m and ends with Zum... This is the truth! This is my belief! ...At least for now. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/7/2006 10:17:35 PM | message detail |
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About Vincent...statistically, Vincent is just under Bowser, yes.
However, I have several reasons for why I think Vincent did better than
he should have against Crono, reasons I'll simply skim over: 1) FF7 > CT in two different ways. 2) FF7 was the defining point in when RPGs got popular, and CT was before that. 3) FF:AC was leaked two days before his match. 4) Vincent's optional status becomes even less of a factor in SFF-style matches. 5) Given how Magus and Frog both had miracle-runs where they both had low bracket percentages and at least one close match while going out to an elite in the Sweet Sixteen, Vincent having a bigger miracle run that lasted into the Elite Eight draws similarities and suspicions. I know the case is made that DoC:FF7 should boost Vincent, on top of the influx of KH2 and the boost of FF:AC, so that could make up for some or all of the loss if he was over-rated like I already said. I also know that characters =/= games =/= series. However, as already mentioned, if KH2 and FF:AC couldn't do enough for the FF series to beat LoZ when it was already the favorite -- neverminding the fact that we just looked at the reasoning wrong, KH1 was still arguably enough for Cloud to beat Link -- it makes you wonder how much it really could have done. DoC:FF7 should be big for Vincent, yes, but I wonder how much of an influx it'll bring in and how much more it'll make gamers like him if the game is much worse than DMC2 and Shadow's game like all the reviews are saying. On top of whatever help Bowser gets from NSMB -- likely very little, but it simply cannot hurt -- and the swing of Nintendo that still looks to be in effect, I've got to consider Bowser the favorite. Close, yes, but I'd place my chips on Bowser. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Big Bob | Posted 8/7/2006 10:28:57 PM | message detail |
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So much for Fox making his triumphant return. --- Damned Z1mZum, beating me by one point. I'm gonna be pissed if Toadette makes 2k6 and Mewtwo doesn't. Gomu gomu nooooooooo Pistol! |
| Who Cares? | Posted 8/7/2006 10:31:39 PM | message detail |
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Check out the newest Daily Grind. So does that mean no bracket this week? BOO. Ah well, should've known getting an early September start would be too good to be true! :( --- Noms: Ken, Nightmare, Sub Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden(MGS), Knuckles, Sora Chun-Li, Morrigan, Sheena, Cammy, Presea, Talim, Ayane |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 10:33:17 PM | message detail |
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3) FF:AC was leaked two days before his match. Not as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. This swings MAYBE half a percent at the most, and even then I doubt that very highly. I don't know why they're calling for a side character to rSFF a main character, especially when FFVII couldn't straight out SFF it before. Even though we only have ONE possible case of rSFF (Mario/Samus and even THAT is debatable), suddenly Crono/Vincent is a sure-fire case of rSFF if there ever was one? Gimme a break. Honestly, Vincent/Crono "overperformance" is a situation of people looking for something that isn't there because something doesn't "look right." There are several signs that point to that performance being legitimate, but people just want to go against what's there because something seems "off." --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| Kaxon | Posted 8/7/2006 10:37:35 PM | message detail |
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If DoS boosts Alucard high up, I'll do a backflip off the empire
state building with a bomb attached to me just to be sure that if the
ridiculous force that my body would hit the ground with didn't kill me,
the bomb would. Why are you convinced they're that far apart? Alucard got 44% against Ganon, I believe. Many people think Ganon is close to Snake in strength. And Knuckles never did that well against Snake in three tries. I'd probably still take Knuckles, but I wouldn't consider it a mortal lock. --- Z1mZum is the latest guru to destroy me in the Guru Contest. Congrats! Nominate Aeris for SC2k6 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 10:38:52 PM | message detail |
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Alucard got 44% against Ganon, I believe. Many people think Ganon is close to Snake in strength. Not in 2004. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 10:39:29 PM | message detail |
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Well, that is, unless you're saying Sora's legitimately close to Ganondorf and Snake himself. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/7/2006 10:39:50 PM | message detail |
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Crono...overperformed on...Mario? Where would you get such a notion? Not that I believe it, but Crono looked bad in almost all of his other matches (Vincent, MC, MM, maybe Zidane), and it would help reduce the rise in strength pretty much everyone gets in 2k5. That was after the DSL came out, actually. The DSL came out June 11th and that poll was taken June 24th. Heh, I was thinking of the GotY poll. Forgot about the second one. So yeah, I suppose NSMB might not be that great...but still, it could have pretty good legs. --- Pity for the Gurus is treason to Z1mZum. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 10:41:22 PM | message detail |
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I really don't see why his performance against Mega Man was so bad.
It's almost exactly what he was expected to get from the year before.
Judging Crono off of two characters we've never seen before (it'd be
nice if people would just say they underestimated Vincent instead of
blaming it on Crono) isn't the best thing to do either, nor is basing
ANYTHING off of Master Chief. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| Janus5000 | Posted 8/7/2006 10:41:45 PM | message detail |
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It was closer to 43%, though it doesn't matter. 2k4 Ganondorf was
overrated due to being behind Magus (who lost to Knuckles, go figure)
and could have been anywhere from 34% on Base Link to... legitimately
weaker than CATS >_> --- Those who are ordinary gurus decide nothing. Z1mZum decides everything. Including my nominating Toadette. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/7/2006 10:41:45 PM | message detail |
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You're treating it like Mario/Samus really is the only case of rSFF --
last year, I figure we saw a lil' bit in Kirby/Bowser and saw some more
in Vincent/Crono...not to mention maybe even some in Vincent/Squall
(for either one, really, but it's too hard to argue one side over the
other well so I've treated it like it's fine). I don't think rSFF
happens often, but this past year had several potential cases -- the
winner doesn't have to change in order for it to happen. I also maintain that the link helped Vincent, though not alot...but when you couple it with everything else, it adds up. That's what I'm saying, not that it alone did much. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/7/2006 10:42:07 PM | message detail |
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I said link, but I meant leak. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 10:44:06 PM | message detail |
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I don't think rSFF happens often, but this past year had several potential cases Except you have to stretch the envelope a lot (basically saying, "Wow, that just doesn't look right. I'm going to call it an overperformance to justify it!") to make Vincent/Crono or even Kirby/Bowser work. Saying Squall was that strong all along: 1. Isn't that much of a stretch and 2. Solves these stupid rSFF problems --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/7/2006 10:45:47 PM | message detail |
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Honestly, Vincent/Crono "overperformance" is a situation of people
looking for something that isn't there because something doesn't "look
right." There are several signs that point to that performance being
legitimate, but people just want to go against what's there because
something seems "off." Nothing has to be off for that match to be given a second glance. It's still a square vs square match at the end of the day, odds are it isn't going to go perfectly. It also isn't a secret that FF > CT, so, yeah, there is a case for Vincent doing better. I think a better response than taking the match as is could be the other end of it though, that being Vincent got SFF'd, which is equally likely. --- Revenge is a dish best served by Z1mZum in the 2k6 Series Guru Contest. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 10:47:15 PM | message detail |
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It's still a square vs square match at the end of the day Which haven't been known to be as infamous with SFF as Nintendo has. It also isn't a secret that FF > CT It's also no secret that FFVII probably didn't SFF CT when it was stronger, much less a side character rSFFing the main character. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/7/2006 10:50:06 PM | message detail |
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I'm barely stretching it though -- only my fifth point was a stretch at
all, and the rest are facts. Whether they changed the match or not,
they're still facts...and I think that, when they're added together
like that, it's hardly a stretch to call for a bit of an
over-performance. Besides, from where I figure Vincent's at, Squall
still beats Luigi, Dante still loses to Ryu, and Knuckles gets just
under 40% against Solid when they both boosted this past year. Nothing
unreasonable there, is there? --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/7/2006 10:51:14 PM | message detail |
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It's also no secret that we don't know for sure that FF7 didn't SFF CT any. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 10:53:35 PM | message detail |
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only my fifth point was a stretch at all, and the rest are facts. Whether they changed the match or not, they're still facts... The fourth point was an even bigger stretch than the fifth, and calling for all of those factors together to impact something is the stretch. Besides, from where I figure Vincent's at, Squall still beats Luigi But probably loses to Kirby? Yeah, get that outta here. Dante still loses to Ryu Ryu has lost three out of his four matches to Noble Niners, and yet Bowser beat him worse than any of them did. Ryu doesn't HAVE to be stronger than Dante anymore. and Knuckles gets just under 40% against Solid when they both boosted this past year. Nothing unreasonable there, is there? Yeah, other than the fact that Knuckles probably would do a little better than he did last year, in my opinion. He definitely boosted. Otherwise, he doesn't touch Magus. He was weaker than Tidus last year, remember? --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 10:54:17 PM | message detail |
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It's also no secret that we don't know for sure that FF7 didn't SFF CT any. Ah, so Chrono Trigger and Link to the Past are potential threats to the Ocarina of Time then? --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/7/2006 10:54:30 PM | message detail |
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lol @ rSFF in Crono/Vincent --- Scooped in a coupe, Snoop we got news/Your girl was trickin' while you was draped in your county blues I ain't been out a second/And already gotta do some mutha****in chin checkin |
| swirIdude | Posted 8/7/2006 10:56:03 PM | message detail |
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CT got 41.76% on FFVII. If FFVII did SFF CT, it wasn't very much,
because if it was SFF'd a lot, it would suggest CT was stronger than
FFVII indirectly. --- After the Series Contest, Z1mZum is now the guy I want to be like! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/7/2006 11:19:02 PM | message detail |
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The fourth point was an even bigger stretch than the fifth, and
calling for all of those factors together to impact something is the
stretch. Why is it? Assuming Vincent's optional status hurts him at all, you would think it would hurt him less in a match consisting of many more Square-fans than a match where the Nintendo fanbase comes into play. But probably loses to Kirby? Yeah, get that outta here. Not by much, but yeah, if it wasn't for KH2 then I'd have probably taken Kirby > Squall this year. Even by unadjusted stats though, Squall BARELY beats Kirby. Ryu has lost three out of his four matches to Noble Niners, and yet Bowser beat him worse than any of them did. Ryu doesn't HAVE to be stronger than Dante anymore. Point taken. Yeah, other than the fact that Knuckles probably would do a little better than he did last year, in my opinion. He definitely boosted. Otherwise, he doesn't touch Magus. He was weaker than Tidus last year, remember? Right, which is what I'm saying -- Knuckles and Solid both boosted last year, and the result according to the stats would be similar to their 2k4 match with it going slightly more in Solid's favor. Ah, so Chrono Trigger and Link to the Past are potential threats to the Ocarina of Time then? No need to assume massive SFF. CT may have deserved just that 41.76%, or it could have deserved up to, say, 44%. Either way, LoZ:OoT would have a fair enough lead to be out of their reach...and even so, I think CT could have outdone the 45.21% projected against LoZ:OoT in 2k4. Not anymore, no, and never by alot...but back then, I would think so. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 11:25:07 PM | message detail |
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Assuming Vincent's optional status hurts him at all, you would think
it would hurt him less in a match consisting of many more Square-fans
than a match where the Nintendo fanbase comes into play. Uhh...The Nintendo fanbase does come into play regardless. You can't tell me that Nintendo fans never played FFVII. Not by much, but yeah, if it wasn't for KH2 then I'd have probably taken Kirby > Squall this year. Too bad he did get KHII. I'd have loved to see someone lose points on Squall because of this. I really don't see why him being this strong is not being taken seriously when it actually makes other things more reasonable if he is (Kirby and Luigi, for example). Tell me why it doesn't make sense. Please, go ahead. Right, which is what I'm saying -- Knuckles and Solid both boosted last year, and the result according to the stats would be similar to their 2k4 match with it going slightly more in Solid's favor. We've never seen Knuckles lose to anyone other than Solid Snake. Who knows if that has any effect on his value? We can't say for certain. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 11:28:53 PM | message detail |
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| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 11:29:31 PM | message detail |
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Of course, few people took me seriously when I said Magus was overrated
(which actually made things more reasonable than unreasonable, as is
the case with 2005 Squall's value) and Squall could beat him, so
whatever. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/7/2006 11:33:57 PM | message detail |
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Uhh...The Nintendo fanbase does come into play regardless. You can't tell me that Nintendo fans never played FFVII. ...don't do this. You know exactly what I mean. Too bad he did get KHII. I'd have loved to see someone lose points on Squall because of this. I really don't see why him being this strong is not being taken seriously when it actually makes other things more reasonable if he is (Kirby and Luigi, for example). Tell me why it doesn't make sense. Please, go ahead. Considering Kirby gained from 2k4 to 2k5 and that the 2k5 unadjusted stats say Squall gets 50.25% last year, not to mention that both have reasons to be somewhat-overrated, I cannot fathom why you remain so confident in Squall being able to beat Kirby last year. After 2k4, we all had plenty more reason to take Crono over Mario in 2k5, and look at what Mario did. Things change sometimes, and lucky for you Squall should be able to retake his decisive advantage against Kirby this year...but last year, no, Squall > Kirby was no given. We've never seen Knuckles lose to anyone other than Solid Snake. Who knows if that has any effect on his value? We can't say for certain. No we can't, but I can say that it still lines up fairly nicely. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/7/2006 11:34:56 PM | message detail |
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Wow, Vincent has really become a hot topic now. Cool, especially since
I've become rather converted to the idea that he will *not* be as
impressive as he looked in 2k5, even with DoC. In my opinion, that
actually makes him more unpredictable to me than he was before, but I
certainly don't think he'll be beating Bowser. Or anyone else around
that level that carries the Nintendo brand. The evidence for the overperformance seems more and more every time I look at it. Dante's jump from DMC3 was absolutely massive, and those games aren't even that popular looking at the series contest. Squall's leap makes Samus SFF and Kirby's boost seem more realistic, but for every one of those there's a Bomberman that's completely out of place from that view. And I've already made my stance known on Knuckles' nonsensical boost. Knuckles 2k5 is equal to Snake 2k4, and no matter how many times I mull that over in my head I can't accept it. 60/40, 60/40, 60/40. Yes, an overperformance from Knuckles is completely believable, and I do believe in a small one -- the board bandwagoned Knuckles to a ridiculous extent. But to that degree? I don't think so. Not when Vincent had all the recipe for his overperformance right there. You don't need to call it rSFF. Frog/Snake wasn't CT/MGS rSFF. It's just overperforming. I think DoC will be quite big, but right now I see the man around Tifa level. Kirby is asking a lot out of me. Bowser is asking too much. And yet I'm still taking Squall over a lot more people (Vincent included) this year. Does that mean I think getting a cameo in KH2 > a role in DoC? ...uh, well, if I want this crazy Cloud > Link pick to pay off, I'd better well hope it does. CT got 41.76% on FFVII. If FFVII did SFF CT, it wasn't very much, because if it was SFF'd a lot, it would suggest CT was stronger than FFVII indirectly. Dude...no... --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 8/7/2006 11:35:02 PM | message detail |
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The Nintendo/Final Fantasy VII Ladder 1. Link 2. Cloud 3. Sephiroth 4. Mario Rank the rest: Bowser Ganondorf Zelda Vincent Tifa Aeris Also, feel free to change the top four as you see fit. --- The Summer 2006 Guru Contest: Where Z1mZum kicked my ass. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/7/2006 11:36:46 PM | message detail |
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There were several people who said Magus was over-rated...just not
over-rated enough. Congrats on Squall > Magus, but you also took
Squall to win the division and it's well known you pick your favorites
when you can make a case for them whether it's the best case or not..... --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/7/2006 11:36:50 PM | message detail |
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Bowser Ganondorf Vincent Zelda Tifa Aeris --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php Please nominate K. K. Slider (Animal Crossing) (Male) and Kazooie (Banjo-Kazooie) (Female) |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 11:38:51 PM | message detail |
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No we can't, but I can say that it still lines up fairly nicely. Okay, so you're willing to sacrifice a lot of other things being more reasonable just so one thing lines up because that seems to be the most correct thing? Sounds like Magus all over again (but he faced Link head-to-head. Surely that makes up for everything else pointing otherwise! Oh, but Snake doesn't beat Knuckles with 60% anymore! That can't be right! We have to fix that!). You have to take the entire picture into consideration, and it doesn't seem to be like you're doing that. You're isolating the entire Devil Division by itself and trying to make it "fit" past expectations (Ryu > Dante, Snake beats Knux with 60%, etc.). Taking everything into consideration, I can't see why anyone would say Squall being at his SC2K5 value all along doesn't make sense. Because you can't. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/7/2006 11:39:56 PM | message detail |
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Ganondorf >= Bowser > Vincent > Tifa >=Zelda >= Aeris --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/7/2006 11:41:00 PM | message detail |
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Bowser >= Ganondorf > Vincent > Zelda >= Tifa > Aeris. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Owned by Z1mZum in the Best. Series. Ever. Guru Contest |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 11:41:47 PM | message detail |
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Congrats on Squall > Magus, but you also took Squall to win the
division and it's well known you pick your favorites when you can make
a case for them whether it's the best case or not..... What? How was I wrong about Squall? So Vincent was a teeny bit stronger. I was calling for that match to be close the whole way anyway. And you messed up on Tidus just as badly as I did, and as did a lot of other people. It wasn't just me being biased. I had Solid Snake going straight to the Final Four. How was I wrong? I had Luigi bowing out to Tifa. How was I wrong? --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/7/2006 11:42:57 PM | message detail |
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Vincent Bowser Tifa Ganondorf Zelda Aeris --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| Cavalier Lowen | Posted 8/7/2006 11:43:08 PM | message detail |
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The Nintendo/Final Fantasy VII Ladder 1. Link 2. Cloud 3. Sephiroth 4. Mario 5. Tie between Bowser/Ganon (although Bowser would win a direct matchup, they would preform nearly equally against other opponents IMO) 6. Vincent 7. Tifa 8. Zelda 9. Aeris Honestly, I have a feeling the large new voter pool favors Nintendo over Square, and provides Mario characters a bigger boost than Zelda characters (I have zero basis for this opinion, just taking a chance), so I might actually consider throwing Luigi and Yoshi around Zelda. --- Z1mZum owned me in the guru contest (by two points!). Damn you Z1mZum! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 8/7/2006 11:43:38 PM | message detail |
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All I'm saying is that I'm trying to find what fits the most things
that -- by our expectations -- shouldn't have changed much, and if it
takes lowering Squall a bit when there's several reasons for Vincent to
have over-performed against Crono and that there are some other past
matches that still line up when you drop it, then I'm going to skip the
"Why should Squall have dropped?" arguement since KOS-MOS could say the
same thing AND had a new game that year -- because it makes more things
make more sense. --- Z1mZum performed a hit and run on me in the Guru Contest. It still hurts to be rear-ended like that..... |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/7/2006 11:43:53 PM | message detail |
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And yet I'm still taking Squall over a lot more people (Vincent
included) this year. Does that mean I think getting a cameo in KH2 >
a role in DoC? I should probably clarify I mean "the main character of DoC" here. Because if I haven't already had my head bitten off for it now, it won't be long. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |