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Draco1214 | Posted 8/4/2006 7:54:19 PM | message detail
Fiction. Sub-Zero will end up being a low midcarder at worst. Nightmare will be fodder.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/4/2006 7:54:34 PM | message detail
Fiction.

Nightmare is not even getting close to winning.

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/4/2006 7:56:00 PM | message detail
>_> Well he certainly got dismissed. I highly doubt Nightmare would be weaker than Maxx Payne or any of the jobbers Scorpion faced before bowing out.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/4/2006 7:57:24 PM | message detail
Nightmare jobs to Max Payne.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
Draco1214 | Posted 8/4/2006 8:00:30 PM | message detail
Eh, I wouldn't go that far. I can't see Nightmare struggling with GFNW.

But yeah, I don't think he's not beating Sub-Zero. Sub's floor is Scorpion and there's evidence the MK fanbase prefers Sub far more than Scorpion. Though, strangely, I'm not expecting much of him either.

...I'm not expecting much out of any new character.
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/4/2006 8:02:46 PM | message detail
To all those complaining why Tifa > Vincent, take a look at how close it is, it's well in the margin of error.
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/4/2006 8:04:01 PM | message detail
In a direct match, I'd take Vincent. He just seems like more of a fan favorite than Tifa to me.
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MegatokyoEd | Posted 8/4/2006 8:04:23 PM | message detail
If 2005 Gordon Freeman's stats are correct then he would beat Nightmare IMO.
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/4/2006 8:04:25 PM | message detail
As for Sub-Zero/Nightmare, would be surprised if Nightmare breaks 45%.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/4/2006 8:04:54 PM | message detail
Nightmare jobs to Max Payne.

I just pooped myself

YOU CAN'T BE SERIOUS :O
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/4/2006 8:05:40 PM | message detail
Yeah, but I wouldn't take Gordon Freeman's stat placement last year seriously. I mean, come on...it's GFNW. HL2 couldn't have boosted him that much.
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/4/2006 8:07:47 PM | message detail
Does anyone think that the Half-Life symbol helped him?

Because from what I heard you never really see him in-game.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/4/2006 8:08:58 PM | message detail
To all those complaining why Tifa > Vincent, take a look at how close it is, it's well in the margin of error.

Certainly, but Vincent did 2% better on an opponent who's 2% stronger than Sonic. They're both extrapolated through Noble Niners (one through the finalist, and another who's nearly equal with one the Noble Niner beat). I'd be more inclined to side with Vincent, even if I prefer Tifa.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/4/2006 8:15:49 PM | message detail
Tifa above Vincent?

Hmm, maybe now after Kingdom Hearts II though? Dirge of Cerberus isn't out here just yet...
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/4/2006 8:16:37 PM | message detail
Dirge of Cerberus will be out before we'd even have to worry about that, however.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/4/2006 8:19:41 PM | message detail
yeah, that and it would really be awkward for the two of them to ever have to meet, anyway.
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Lopen | Posted 8/4/2006 8:22:41 PM | message detail
Yeah, I don't trust Gordon Freeman one bit. The main problem I have is does that reflect badly on Kennedy, or does it just mean Freeman voters are weird... I mean he's never lost by that much. Still, I'm not so sure Kennedy's entirely legit either.
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/4/2006 8:24:44 PM | message detail
Well, Leon was able to survive the doubling from Mega Man. I don't really know if it was an overperformance or not. And if it is an overperformance, to what can we attribute that to?
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Lopen | Posted 8/4/2006 8:27:39 PM | message detail
Don't get me wrong, I'm more in favor of just throwing Freeman's number down and leaving Kennedy's where it is. Well, that's the "internal adjustment" I'm making. You put Freeman against a ton of other dudes that are lower than him, I'm taking said other dudes.

Kennedy, I'm just not sure about. I could see him costing me points against the wrong opponent if he gets in.
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Draco1214 | Posted 8/4/2006 8:30:37 PM | message detail
Freeman's never the type to get blown out it seems. Leon was perhaps the best character for the job to break 60% on him out of all of GF's opponents and yet he couldn't do it.

Still, I think Leon's position is fine. It's exactly where I pegged him to be pre-2005 contest.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/4/2006 8:32:32 PM | message detail
Yeah, I forgot about Yuffie. Sub her in for KOS-MOS on my little list there.

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/4/2006 8:35:04 PM | message detail
lol Nightmare losing to Max Payne
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/4/2006 8:41:42 PM | message detail
I don't really think it's that farfetched, personally.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
Lopen | Posted 8/4/2006 8:43:53 PM | message detail
I'd never consider Max Payne to beat Nightmare... but the match might be kinda close.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/4/2006 8:44:39 PM | message detail
I'd never consider Max to make the field again.

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Lopen | Posted 8/4/2006 8:45:19 PM | message detail
Touche. Why are we talking about Max Payne?
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Yesmar | Posted 8/4/2006 8:55:55 PM | message detail
To be honest, I would pick Peach over Lulu in a heartbeat and I wouldn't think twice about it.

In another closely related point, I really can't see Lulu doing that well in a contest. I just don't think she has any sizable fanbase. Look at where Yuna was before X-2. I'd imagine Lulu to be significantly worse than that and that would make her high-end fodder, if that.

So...erratic Master Chief is more reliable than Vincent?

Master Chief has every reason to be erratic, considering Halo 2 alone most likely caused X-Box ownership to raise close to a total of 5% on GameFAQs

Excuse me while I laugh thinking Donkey Kong is in the same league as Ryu, Auron, and Luigi, and thinking DK beats Vivi with 55.13% now.

Auron- Unless you think Samus didn't get any SFF on Ganondorf (which I'm not saying wouldn't be a bad idea) Auron isn't close to DK in the stats.

Luigi- DK was close to Luigi in 2003 and 2004 pre-boost. I don't see what's wrong with him being close to Luigi post-boost.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/4/2006 8:57:25 PM | message detail
Luigi- DK was close to Luigi in 2003 and 2004 pre-boost. I don't see what's wrong with him being close to Luigi post-boost.

That's all well and good until you consider I don't think Luigi was that low to begin with.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/4/2006 9:02:36 PM | message detail
In another closely related point, I really can't see Lulu doing that well in a contest. I just don't think she has any sizable fanbase. Look at where Yuna was before X-2. I'd imagine Lulu to be significantly worse than that and that would make her high-end fodder, if that.

Lulu being on par with 2003 Yuna puts her at 23% on Base Link, which puts her near someone like Ryu Hayabusa, but below Yuna and Rikku, which is what I would suspect anyway. Lulu definitely has a lot of people who like her, which is far more than I can say for someone like freaking Peach. She did perform well in the FFX character poll -- even out did Yuna -- and you'll notice that FFX characters have this tendency to be all around the same area as each other.

I have no problem whatsoever taking Lulu over someone like Peach. Even if she were equal to 2003 Yuna, I'm still taking her safely over Hayabusa and even a few more above him. She's definitely not just getting by as "high-end fodder." She's not someone who is going to end up that low. I don't think she'd have any problems cracking the top 10 females, if she got in (I really hope she does).

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Chinballz | Posted 8/4/2006 9:20:10 PM | message detail
If the bracket is split into male and female halves, then it's obvious Samus, Zelda, Tifa, and Aeris will be the 1 seeds. If that happens, what do you guys think their divisions would be called?

Samus - Zebes
Zelda - Triforce
Tifa - Nibelheim
Aeris - Ancient (or Spoilers)
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/4/2006 9:23:43 PM | message detail
Spoilers Division? That's too humorous to actually be done. If she gets that, Tifa would get the TJF Division. Aeris would more likely be the Holy Division.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
Who Cares? | Posted 8/4/2006 9:34:05 PM | message detail
I really hope Tifa or Aeris gets pushed to a #2 seed. It's a waste if we don't get two matches out of the Tifa/Aeris/Zelda trifecta.
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Noms: Ken, Nightmare, Sub Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden(MGS), Knuckles, Sora
Chun-Li, Morrigan, Sheena, Cammy, Presea, Talim, Ayane
Tequilla Gundam | Posted 8/4/2006 9:55:55 PM | message detail
Fact/Fiction: One of the trinity (Aeris/Tifa/Zelda) breaks 45% on Samus.
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dethfdddddh | Posted 8/4/2006 9:56:51 PM | message detail
Fiction.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/4/2006 9:58:16 PM | message detail
Fact. Tifa will break 45% on Samus.

Don't worry about me. I just enjoy dreaming.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/4/2006 9:59:15 PM | message detail
Lulu definitely has a lot of people who like her, which is far more than I can say for someone like freaking Peach.

Why is it enough for Zelda to be Link's girl, but not enough for Peach to be Mario's? I can understand people arguing against her being strong, but I agree with therealmnm with:
This topic is simply against considering that Peach may have any kind of strength.

Yeah, she loses to just about everyone in a favorite Mario character poll, but is that really important if she isn't facing one of them?
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/4/2006 10:03:56 PM | message detail
Why is it enough for Zelda to be Link's girl, but not enough for Peach to be Mario's?

It isn't enough for Zelda. Some disagree with me, but I have reasons for believing she's as strong as she is other than just being the damsel in distress.

This topic is simply against considering that Peach may have any kind of strength.

No, I've considered it. I'm just not convinced.

Yeah, she loses to just about everyone in a favorite Mario character poll, but is that really important if she isn't facing one of them?

We'll find out, won't we?
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/4/2006 10:08:38 PM | message detail
Fiction. Tifa may break 43% but I dunno bout 45.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/4/2006 10:09:57 PM | message detail
I'd like to see a 48 male, 16 female bracket.

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MarioSuperstar | Posted 8/4/2006 10:12:04 PM | message detail
I'll be damned if Tifa breaks 45% on Samus but can't even do it on Sonic.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/4/2006 10:12:21 PM | message detail
What a brilliant new idea, Ulti!

But yeah, it wouldn't be a bad idea because we certainly don't need 32 females. However, I feel that this (like the Villains Contest for Sephiroth) is being considered as a legitimate means of "retiring" Samus for next year.

...I really hope CJayC stops putting contest winners into a side bracket next year. If that's what we have this year, somebody needs to form a petition to have it dropped for 2007.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
LeonhartForever | Posted 8/4/2006 10:12:59 PM | message detail
Tifa will be stronger in 2006 than she was in 2005, and she'll have the "Well, Samus is going to win anyway!" Factor!
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/4/2006 10:13:39 PM | message detail
Screw 48/16. Tag Team Matches damnit. Mega Man and Tron Bonne. THINK OF THE BUYRATES~!<JBL>
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/4/2006 10:14:34 PM | message detail
...I really hope CJayC stops putting contest winners into a side bracket next year. If that's what we have this year, somebody needs to form a petition to have it dropped for 2007.

What are ya crazy? You wanna see Link, Seph, Cloud, and Mario blow out jobbers still?
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/4/2006 10:16:06 PM | message detail
I'd like to see Sephiroth vs. Squall, myself.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/4/2006 10:16:22 PM | message detail
I'd rather have them in the bracket as opposed to removing so many characters that the contest is no longer relevant.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
LeonhartForever | Posted 8/4/2006 10:16:57 PM | message detail
Squall would get Bishounen rSFF and beat Sephiroth! Bank on it!
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/4/2006 10:17:33 PM | message detail
I'm telling you guys, Tag Team would freshen it up. Then we COULD see the champs come back. And Seph/Squall would be a total SFF bash though ExTha :(

o wate...*sees the Squall hatorade*
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/4/2006 10:19:28 PM | message detail
Why? We're just getting free matches extra. It doesn't change anything except that now the characters that can't lose to anyone but eachother don't have to waste early spots. Did we really need so many free points in the bracket? I honestly can't see why it's a big deal that we have a ToC, as I see it doing nothing but good.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/4/2006 10:20:07 PM | message detail
"I'd like to see Sephiroth vs. Squall, myself."

I wouldn't, and I hate Squall. I don't need to see another SFF beating again in my life.
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