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Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 2:38:56 PM | message detail
Just for the record... *looks at the 2k5 SFF Adjusted stats*

I'd take... Lloyd Irving and most everyone above him to beat Peach. Ridiculous? I don't really think so... considering if you adjust 2k3 Wario down to 2k4 Shadow, he gets really crappy, and I think that Wario will be more popular than her.

I just felt like putting how horribly I expect her to do into perspective. I'm so making pre-contest X-Stats for this contest. Wanted to do it with the series one, but never got around to it.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/3/2006 2:40:28 PM | message detail
but it's not like it's far and away the number 1 reason why people vote for Zelda in a contest.

I'd wager it's up there. What other reason is there besides SSBM and being the namesake of her series?
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 2:41:36 PM | message detail
You're out of your mind Lopen. Insane!

There is absolutely no chance in hell Peach is as weak as Wario either in my mind... Wario is about as unlikable as you get, and even if he wasn't, Peach has many more reasons to be stronger.

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Super Luigi | Posted 8/3/2006 2:41:40 PM | message detail
Bowser vs Ganondorf. Who wins?
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/3/2006 2:42:36 PM | message detail
Neither of them is a real champion.

PPFFFFT. Find me another NPC that does as well as Sephiroth does. Sephiroth's got plenty 'a credibility.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/3/2006 2:42:45 PM | message detail
Wario is about as unlikable as you get, and even if he wasn't, Peach has many more reasons to be stronger.

I think Wario's pretty cool, moreso than Peach anyway.

And HM has just informed me that Super Princess Peach has sold around 150,000 copies. Some power that game will bring.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 2:43:12 PM | message detail
Being Zelda? You could apply the same logic to any other character you feel doesn't have much character and isn't the lead role of the game.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/3/2006 2:44:30 PM | message detail
Being Zelda?

Just being Zelda doesn't bring her anywhere near the level of Ganondorf.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 2:44:49 PM | message detail
Ohh... HM if you're still around, do you have sales numbers for Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition?

Also, I'm pretty much done on the whole Peach/Chun-Li thing, we've spent over 500 posts talking about it now, I just felt like I needed to say what I thought, but after reading everything and getting what I wanted to say out, I'm pretty much done with it.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 2:45:44 PM | message detail
There is absolutely no chance in hell Peach is as weak as Wario either in my mind... Wario is about as unlikable as you get, and even if he wasn't, Peach has many more reasons to be stronger.

There is no reason for her to be stronger other than her namesake. People actually do like Wario, regardless of what we may think of him. There is absolutely no reason to think Peach can handle someone that people actually care for. She would have no problem beating out fodder because of who she is, but she'd crumble at the first sight of competition. Unless you think Chun-Li is fodder, then I have no clue on why you think it is a given that she should win.

I don't think Peach can beat anyone around Chun-Li's level. She isn't beating Frog, Yuna, Rikku, Riku, or anyone else in that general area. The way some people talk, you'd think Peach would win with ease, which puts her close to Yoshi. That is territory that she cannot even begin to approach. He has every factor Peach does and much more.

The only reason people are even considering Peach is because she is in SSBM. Quite frankly, there is no way I'm putting her high based upon that game.

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Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 2:46:42 PM | message detail
Dude, Wario actually has likable traits. He's lovably greedy. Peach? Generic damsel in distress, that's all. She'll get votes on recognition, but voter apathy shall own her.

I could easily see Peach being in the bottom half of the women's half... and that's sad. I could see her being the next Halo given the right 8 seed. (Ironically, I'd take Cortana to beat her... oh, that would be awesome)
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PIHB | Posted 8/3/2006 2:46:54 PM | message detail
Zelda would be stronger if the LoZ cast wasn't known to every single gamer out there, since recognizability counts heavy then. As it is, I'm not sure.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 2:46:55 PM | message detail
Ohh... HM if you're still around, do you have sales numbers for Devil May Cry 3: Special Edition?

700,000 copies in America.

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Super Luigi | Posted 8/3/2006 2:47:36 PM | message detail
Happen to know how much NSMB has sold so far?
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 2:48:15 PM | message detail
He has every factor Peach does and much more.

Aside from sucking ass in SSB!

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 2:48:42 PM | message detail
I guess I should have asked this at the same time too, but what about PS2 RE4?

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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/3/2006 2:49:04 PM | message detail
I really doubt tiers mean much of anything to most voters. People more than likely just play with their favorites.
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Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 2:50:18 PM | message detail
700 Thousand Copies? That's actually pretty impressive. I could see Dante getting another boost from that... oh yes... *drools*

Um... er... *ahem*
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 2:50:48 PM | message detail
New Super Mario Bros. has sold about 900,000 copies in America and 3.84 million worldwide.

Resident Evil 4 (PS2) has sold 600,000 copies in America (RE4 on the GCN sold 800,000).

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Super Luigi | Posted 8/3/2006 2:51:18 PM | message detail
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 2:51:47 PM | message detail
Resident Evil 4 (PS2) has sold 600,000 copies in America (RE4 on the GCN sold 800,000).

And people are saying RE4 on the PS2 is going to boost Leon up to Dante?! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Wow. I mean even without DMC3:SE, that's hilarious, but oh man!

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Super Luigi | Posted 8/3/2006 2:52:21 PM | message detail
People who have played DMC3 special edition, Are most likely the ones who already played the original DMC3. So no I dont see him getting another boost.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 2:52:35 PM | message detail
Aside from sucking ass in SSB!

People are really starting to overrate the hell out of tiers. Most people don't give a crap about where their favorite character ranks in the tiers. Roy is extremely popular in SSBM and he's nowhere near the top. People here don't even care where their favorites end up in the tiers -- they play with who they want to. It is almost entirely pointless to bring up how good/bad they are unless they are just really bad (Bowser).

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 2:52:56 PM | message detail
People the played DMC3 special edition, Are most likely the ones who already played the original DMC3. So no I dont see him getting another boost.

I don't know... I'm not running out and getting DMC3:SE just because I already bought DMC3, it doesn't have enough added to it to justify being bought again, unless you're among the most hardcore DMC fanboys (Lopen probably did!).

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Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 2:53:04 PM | message detail
Well obviously I don't see him getting nearly the same degree of boost, even if it wasn't outdone by the original by that much... but still, the more DMC you play, the more you like Dante. We don't have to draw new fans, the man can draw 80% on fodder, that's enough fans right there. We just need to strengthen our existing fans.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 2:53:17 PM | message detail
Oh, whoa, wait -- Special Edition? Those numbers are more like 200,000.

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TRE Public Account | Posted 8/3/2006 2:53:22 PM | message detail
I've seen at least 5 people since nominations went up ask if Sheik was a boy or a girl, not everyone thinks as Sheik and Zelda as one in the same.

Don't read too much into it. Asking if Sheik was male or female was a fad at one point on the SSBM board. Also I've seen people on more than one occation argue that when Zelda transforms into Sheik, she becomes a guy.

More than likely a minority, especially considering SSBM (of all things) pretty much establishes them as one and the same.

Oddly enough, it's because of SSBM that it's hard for me to think of Sheik and Zelda as the same person. In my experience, they are almost always treated as seperate characters.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/3/2006 2:53:32 PM | message detail
Hey, Bowser ain't that bad. >______________>;
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Super Luigi | Posted 8/3/2006 2:54:02 PM | message detail
Bowser's getting a boost from NSMB. Watch.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 2:54:19 PM | message detail
People are really starting to overrate the hell out of tiers. Most people don't give a crap about where their favorite character ranks in the tiers. Roy is extremely popular in SSBM and he's nowhere near the top. People here don't even care where their favorites end up in the tiers -- they play with who they want to. It is almost entirely pointless to bring up how good/bad they are unless they are just really bad (Bowser).


It was a joke, as I already said I was done talking about it, because every point has been beaten to death, and it's just overkill at this point. Anyway, yoshi really does suck that bad, hell my brother is quite possibly the biggest Yoshi fanboy out there, he'll play as him in any mario spinoff no matter what, but you'll never see him playing as Yoshi in SSB.

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Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 2:54:32 PM | message detail
I honestly didn't by DMC: SE.

Though I've played it plenty. A couple of my friends did buy it. (And one already had DMC3... I'm not denying there's an overlap)
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 2:55:10 PM | message detail
Oh, whoa, wait -- Special Edition? Those numbers are more like 200,000.

Oh... you dirty whore. Either way, if PS2 RE4 only sold 600,000 copies, that's still hilarious to think Leon is going to be on the level of Dante.

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Master Moltar | Posted 8/3/2006 2:56:40 PM | message detail
hell my brother is quite possibly the biggest Yoshi fanboy out there, he'll play as him in any mario spinoff no matter what, but you'll never see him playing as Yoshi in SSB.

I didn't know I was your brother!
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 2:57:28 PM | message detail
Oh we're as black as they come!

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 2:58:59 PM | message detail
We just need to strengthen our existing fans.

We should test how much stronger the existing fans have become. Let's have, say, Crono v. Dante again! Who's with me?!

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 3:00:21 PM | message detail
Dante would wipe the floor with Crono. Pshh-shaw I say!

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 3:01:02 PM | message detail
Crono's Hair > Dante's Trenchcoat!!

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Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 3:01:23 PM | message detail
I don't get your point, Dante would easily do a good 20% better against Crono this time!
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swirIdude | Posted 8/3/2006 3:02:20 PM | message detail
700 Thousand Copies? That's actually pretty impressive. I could see Dante getting another boost from that... oh yes... *drools*

A poster of a Dante look-alike could appear in a strip club in the next GTA game and you could see him boost 10%.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 3:03:31 PM | message detail
You have a little typo there, buddy. I think you added a zero that shouldn't be there!

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 3:03:39 PM | message detail
Magus (2004c raw) VS Dante (2005c)

Magus has a strength of 24.09.
Dante has a strength of 32.73.

Dante wins with 63.20% of the vote!
A win of 22,881 with 86,679 total votes cast.




Magus (2004c) VS Crono (2005c)

Magus has a strength of 34.93.
Crono has a strength of 39.87.

Crono wins with 56.20% of the vote!
A win of 11,645 with 93,982 total votes cast.


Need I say more HM?

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 3:04:57 PM | message detail

A poster of a Dante look-alike could appear in a strip club in the next GTA game and you could see him boost 10%.


If DMC3:SE had sold 700,000 copies there's no reason for him to not boost. DMC3 didn't sell much more than that and he went up 3%

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Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 3:04:57 PM | message detail
You know, you guys are really overexaggerating my Dante overhyping. Do you guys remember what I pegged Dante to be at last year from the DMC3 boost? Yeah, that's right, 33%. I pretty much nailed it. I just underestimated Vincent, that's all.

If the game had 700k copies, I could see him gaining another % or two, for sure.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 3:06:05 PM | message detail
You know, you guys are really overexaggerating my Dante overhyping. Do you guys remember what I pegged Dante to be at last year from the DMC3 boost? Yeah, that's right, 33%. I pretty much nailed it. I just underestimated Vincent, that's all.

A-men! I pegged him at 30%, which was .01% off (Screw Base Link!), I just underestimated Vincent as well.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 8/3/2006 3:10:38 PM | message detail
From Tatsumaki Senpuu Posted 8/3/2006 2:14:53 PM #229
... Peach? ... With Rikku? She wouldn't be anywhere near that level.

o snap you did not go there son

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 3:10:45 PM | message detail
Need I say more HM?

Cute.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 3:11:16 PM | message detail
Cute.

Damn straight I am!

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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/3/2006 3:11:39 PM | message detail
o snap you did not go there son

Yeah, let Ulti hold onto his delusions of Peach strength. It'll make it more enjoyable when she bombs.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 3:12:09 PM | message detail
*When she proves you wrong.

lol fixed omg pwn sauce

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 3:12:16 PM | message detail
DMC3 sold 700,000 copies. The Special Edition, which is included in that total, sold somewhere around 200,000. Let's stop using that 700,000 number to describe the Special Edition. <<

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