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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 341

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charmander6000 | Posted 8/3/2006 9:16:09 AM | message detail
He might make it interesting mybe break 43 but id say 40 is as high as he gets on Kirby

And I say Dante will be closer to Kirby than Vincent.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 9:26:53 AM | message detail
no way dante beats kirby wont happen ill vote dante but wont happen i mean we are talking FF7 versus Devil May Cry. Dante doesnt have enough bad*** in him to pull that off. He might make it interesting mybe break 43 but id say 40 is as high as he gets on Kirby

What the **** did you just try to say?

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 9:37:47 AM | message detail
And I'd like to state my opinion on the whole Chun-Li/Peach she-bang.

People are saying Peach is nothing more than a side character to Mario's franchise who no-one has ever really taken to, while Chun-Li is one of the more recognizable faces of SFII. To which I say, Peach is just as recognizable in SSB, a game that has proven to hold much more weight here than SF, and she's a damn good fighter to boot. She recently had her own game on the DS, which is kicking ass and taking names all over this site, and she's always had a place in Mario spinoffs, as well as the woman you have to save in all the classic Super Mario games from the beginning of the series until now. Aside from LoZ obviously being more popular than Mario on here, I really don't see any reason that Zelda should be that far ahead of Peach, obviously I would take Zelda over her for probably just that, but there's no reason for me to believe with all that Peach has in her favor over Chun-Li, that she should actually lose to Chun. I'm not calling for a blowout (unless we're talking Ulti-style), but I'm not thinking it would be all that close either.

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Osfan | Posted 8/3/2006 9:37:50 AM | message detail
Vincent>Kirby>Dante (that easier for u to read ;-) )
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 9:41:48 AM | message detail
Proper grammar, logic, and decent spelling would actually be easier for me to read.

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charmander6000 | Posted 8/3/2006 9:50:13 AM | message detail
Osfan you do know that Dante got 46% on Vincent.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 9:57:47 AM | message detail
The more I think about it... the more I'm hating this split. I really want to see Bowser/Samus, not that I really think the match would be in question, but I want to see if Bowser could actually rSFF her (much like Mario did, don't dispute it!)

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Osfan | Posted 8/3/2006 9:58:53 AM | message detail
There is no way that Dante can beat Kirby. This will never happen. I will vote for Dante but Dante still doesn't stand a chance. I mean we are about talking FF7 versus Devil May Cry. Dante doesn't have enough bad*** in him to pull that off. He may make it interesting, maybe he can overperform on kiddy Kirby and break 43% of the votes. Overall though I would say 40% of the votes is the best he can hope for against Kirby. (The revised edition :-) )

Anyway yes I do know the result of Dante Vincent, but with Dirge of Cirberus coming out pre-contest do you think that can hold up before Devil May Cry 4? I'd like to see Kirby versus Dante and would moreover like to see Dante win. I just think Vince will be two strong for either of them by the time the next contest rolls around.

Let it be known IMO Dante>both and DoC will never be DMC ;-)
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 10:02:27 AM | message detail
How many times were you dropped on your head as a child?

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Osfan | Posted 8/3/2006 10:07:27 AM | message detail
I jus cant remember musta ben 2 many 3 count u no?! mayb 6 hundred sixty 6 times rite? k?
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 10:08:11 AM | message detail
Hey, I agree with you about the shifting focus of the voter pool, Chichiri. The thing is, as evidenced by a few topics ago, most disagree. They think it is the role itself that matters. Which is why under that "If ____, then ____" scenario, it's foolish to not expect a massive boost from Auron.

If it's the size of the roll that matters, after seeing Cloud go from 2K2 to 2K3, everybody better be looking forward to Seph trying to take down Link.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 10:20:00 AM | message detail
Humorous thought: From 2K2 to 2K3 we saw a major increase in votes, by far the largest we've ever seen. Characters strengths were suddenly drastically different, most would like to attribute such things to the KHF, which I feel is horribly overblown, and only has an effect on a change in voter poll (so does increased overall votes as well), as oppposed to the size of the roll actually mattering. Sure if it's a huge one, I'll give it to you, but I haven't really seen anything like that for it to make a substantial difference in terms of the characters between that time. Now, from 2K5 to 2K6 we are seeing a pretty damn nice jump in the votals department. A big increase in votes, right after KHII is released. I'm not trying to say KH brings that many fans into the site to vote now, just pointing out the coincidence. Now if we see another Square boost, which would almost assuredly be less than the one we saw in 2K3, everyone will suddenly go ZOMG KHF'D!!! while I will sit in the corner crying as I tear up my bracket because I don't expect any notable square boost this year, and continue to contribute it to increased votals. I just hate how we have to be experiencing the same damn thing, so that if square does increase this year, the majority will once again assume KH does insane things to this contest, despite not even being able to be that strong in it's own right.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 10:21:04 AM | message detail
I also enjoy catching up on the past stats topics, and posting my thoughts on it in one jumbled mess so that when everyone comes back to the topic and reads the end of the last page and this when, they can all ask themselves what the hell I'm smoking.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 10:28:21 AM | message detail
You know, the more I'm looking at these 2005 adjusted standings, the more I'm thinking that the whole 2005 Link getting 54% on 2003 Link is a crock. I mean look at the standings just based off Link being a 50%, do they really look that off to you? Yeah, Mega Man and Crono are about 1.5% lower than normal, Sonic's about the same as the year before, Snake's about the same. Mario's understandably a bit higher. All could be chalked up to yearly variation.

Why should Link 2005 get 55% on Link 2003? "Big N boost" or not, it's kinda silly.

Not that any of this really matters... the characters are all scaled up appropriately... we might as well go DBZ style and say 2005 Link is worth 400 Million on 2003 Link.


Couldn't agree more... I've always found the entire thing to be a crock, not that it really matters, I just find it silly when people use number on BL and then say characters boosted x-amount. It's why I always ignore the x-stats based on BL and use the normal ones.

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/3/2006 10:30:31 AM | message detail
creativename doesn't seem to think so

So wait, you're saying 2k4 Seph is the only legit one, even though 2k3, and 2k5 suggest that he's quite a bit stronger than that?
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NewLib | Posted 8/3/2006 10:37:18 AM | message detail
Peach eh?

The first thing I think about Peach is about where she ranks in the Mario universe. As it stands it goes:

Mario
Bowser
Yoshi
Luigi
Wario

I place Peach somewhere between Luigi and Wario. So as far as the Female contest is concerned, I aee her right there with Rikku and Chun-Li. (Since I think Yuna like Auron is underrated in the stats. Wonder what match that wasnt adjusted could have done that?)
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/3/2006 10:37:32 AM | message detail
What the hell are you smoking, EC?

Not that I don't agree with you, I just wanna know if it's any good. =P
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 10:40:09 AM | message detail
Everything and anything, hell I even put a Seph > Link for SC2K6 post in there!

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 10:50:13 AM | message detail
Don't know if it's been mentioned yet (haven't caught up on this topic), but with the expected split between 32 males/32 females, are you guys expecting 8x8 brackets still, or do you think we'll see a return to 4x16?

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/3/2006 10:52:46 AM | message detail
Everything and anything, hell I even put a Seph > Link for SC2K6 post in there!

Just thinking about that makes me shiver with giddyness. If that happened, I think I'd have enough orgasm to satisfy Sess' mother. I doubt it though. ZeldaFAQs and everything.
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DomaDragoon | Posted 8/3/2006 10:53:56 AM | message detail
Don't know if it's been mentioned yet (haven't caught up on this topic), but with the expected split between 32 males/32 females, are you guys expecting 8x8 brackets still, or do you think we'll see a return to 4x16?

If Clinkeroth and Mario are in the bracket proper, it'd almost have to be 8x8, wouldn't it? I mean, could you imagine the outrage if, say, the reigning champion got a 2 seed, or if Cloud/Sephy ended up in the same division again?

The thing that irritates me then is that the Silent Death ends up without a 1 seed... again. I'm not fond of Crono, that's for sure, but he deserves at least one shot with the 1.
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/3/2006 10:53:56 AM | message detail
And I hope it's 8x8. More possibility for interesting matchups and what-not.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 10:56:01 AM | message detail
Also, what the -HELL- is wrong with people thinking Leon Kennedy is now on the level of Dante? WHAT?!

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/3/2006 10:57:04 AM | message detail
I'm as big of an RE fan than anybody, and taking Leon over Dante seems like insanity.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 10:59:53 AM | message detail
Just thinking about that makes me shiver with giddyness. If that happened, I think I'd have enough orgasm to satisfy Sess' mother. I doubt it though. ZeldaFAQs and everything.

A horse couldn't satisfy sess' mother. Regardless, it would be awesome, but that's more of my dislike for Link than love of Seph, either way, it kicks ass! And yeah, I hope we still get 8x8 too.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 11:00:55 AM | message detail
If Clinkeroth and Mario are in the bracket proper, it'd almost have to be 8x8, wouldn't it? I mean, could you imagine the outrage if, say, the reigning champion got a 2 seed, or if Cloud/Sephy ended up in the same division again?

I'd be floored if Clinkerothio were placed into the main bracket.

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ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/3/2006 11:02:40 AM | message detail
I somehow wouldn't have a problem with there being no ToC, and Link/Cloud faced each other in one side of the bracket.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 11:09:14 AM | message detail
I would have a problem with it... a huge problem. If it were your normal 64 entrant field then yeah, I don't really mind. But when you only have 32 males, and you're going to put them into the field, it ruins so many opportunities of good matches.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 11:14:53 AM | message detail
... Peach? ... With Rikku? She wouldn't be anywhere near that level.

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Ayvuir | Posted 8/3/2006 11:15:09 AM | message detail
There is going to be tag team matches, book it.
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Yesmar | Posted 8/3/2006 11:39:57 AM | message detail
Humorous thought: From 2K2 to 2K3 we saw a major increase in votes, by far the largest we've ever seen. Characters strengths were suddenly drastically different, most would like to attribute such things to the KHF, which I feel is horribly overblown, and only has an effect on a change in voter poll (so does increased overall votes as well), as oppposed to the size of the roll actually mattering. Sure if it's a huge one, I'll give it to you, but I haven't really seen anything like that for it to make a substantial difference in terms of the characters between that time. Now, from 2K5 to 2K6 we are seeing a pretty damn nice jump in the votals department. A big increase in votes, right after KHII is released. I'm not trying to say KH brings that many fans into the site to vote now, just pointing out the coincidence. Now if we see another Square boost, which would almost assuredly be less than the one we saw in 2K3, everyone will suddenly go ZOMG KHF'D!!! while I will sit in the corner crying as I tear up my bracket because I don't expect any notable square boost this year, and continue to contribute it to increased votals. I just hate how we have to be experiencing the same damn thing, so that if square does increase this year, the majority will once again assume KH does insane things to this contest, despite not even being able to be that strong in it's own right.

I agree. I've always thought the increase in new-school Square power in 2003 came from a increase in the voter base, not because of Kingdom Hearts. Of course, now that GameFAQS favors Nintendo as opposed to Square in 2003, who knows what will happen?
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Osfan | Posted 8/3/2006 11:53:27 AM | message detail
Yeah without a ToC and only 32 males in it would really get old to see whose next on the Clinkeroth chopping block. If he cuts the male entries he has to have a ToC again to make things interesting. Plus he already said not to nominate the ToC from last year. Would it really be fair to give them seeds in the contest without them earning them this year. Granted they deserve high seeds but whose the #1's and #2's? I think a ToC with the Old 16 format would make the best matches especially later in the tournament when vote counts get higher.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/3/2006 11:54:09 AM | message detail
Heh, one interesting possibility is that though the voter increase in 2k3 favored Square, the voter increase in 2006 is quite possibly the opposite, and actually favors Nintendo. That would make sense, given the results of the series contest.
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Slowflake | Posted 8/3/2006 11:56:32 AM | message detail
If Clinkeroth and Mario are in the bracket proper, it'd almost have to be 8x8, wouldn't it? I mean, could you imagine the outrage if, say, the reigning champion got a 2 seed, or if Cloud/Sephy ended up in the same division again?

Mario is such a lousy champion, he sure as hell deserves it.

Seriously, stop giving the guy credit. He did nothing other than a surprise SFF beatdown and folding like paper at the first sight of real competition.
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charmander6000 | Posted 8/3/2006 12:01:51 PM | message detail
How do you know if there is going to be a boy side and a girl side? What if it is just a bracket with 32 boys and 32 girls?
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Osfan | Posted 8/3/2006 12:08:08 PM | message detail
I never thought of that possibility. A mix would make it even more precitable though due to the overall weakness of female characters compared to the males. Wouldnt it be funny is Ceej made a sexist bracket all the 8-9 seeds are girls and all the 15-16 seeds are girls. We spend all this time picking female noms and trying to even think of decent female noms... For what? So they can be on the Clinkeroth Chopping block in rounds 1 and 2! X-D
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WilhuffTarkin | Posted 8/3/2006 12:19:16 PM | message detail
Seriously, stop giving the guy credit. He did nothing other than a surprise SFF beatdown and folding like paper at the first sight of real competition.


So are Clinkeroth the only "real competition" in these contests anymore? Or do you just mean to imply that Mario is stronger than everyone not included in Clinkeroth, therefore making Clinkeroth his only "real competition?"

I'm not trying to be a smart ass, I'm genuinely asking. Not quite sure I understand what you're saying.
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Slowflake | Posted 8/3/2006 12:31:10 PM | message detail
The latter. He's never been anything more than "the most popular character outside of Clinkeroth". As I said a couple days ago, this has as much value as "most popular character whose name starts with M".
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WilhuffTarkin | Posted 8/3/2006 12:33:20 PM | message detail
The most popular character outside Clinkeroth is still pretty strong, though.

For the record, Mario is my favorite VG character, so I'm biased.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/3/2006 12:34:33 PM | message detail
In that case, what credibility does Sephiroth have? He's just the most powerful character outside of Cloud and Link. He may be the most powerful villain...but how does that give him any more credibility than Samus, the most powerful female, or Vincent Valentine, the most powerful optional character, or Zero, the most powerful sidekick?
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ExplicitAriel | Posted 8/3/2006 12:43:55 PM | message detail
I think being able to put up 45+ on the champ, and failing to break 40% on the champ is a big difference. Especially when Mario would do even worse if he were actually in a direct match-up.

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/3/2006 12:47:39 PM | message detail
It is a big difference. It's also completely arbitrary.
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Kaxon | Posted 8/3/2006 1:27:09 PM | message detail
The only thing that gives Sephiroth more credibility than Mario is that he's beaten Mario head to head. Neither of them is a real champion.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/3/2006 1:28:50 PM | message detail
Aside from LoZ obviously being more popular than Mario on here, I really don't see any reason that Zelda should be that far ahead of Peach

I already covered that. Zelda doesn't come anywhere close to Ganondorf without Sheik (don't even try to tell me that SSBM made up all that difference because that's just getting out of hand). Other than SMRPG and Mario 2, Peach is...that girl you rescue all the time. She's really not all that likable.

And are people seriously considering Super Princess Peach when talking about her strength? Really?
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/3/2006 1:29:46 PM | message detail
Oh, and don't throw the "Other than Ocarina of Time" witty reply to me because I'm going to have to laugh at you comparing THAT game to Mario RPG and Mario 2.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 1:36:55 PM | message detail
Peach is...that girl you rescue all the time. She's really not all that likable.

That's pretty much how I've always viewed her too.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 2:22:13 PM | message detail
I already covered that. Zelda doesn't come anywhere close to Ganondorf without Sheik (don't even try to tell me that SSBM made up all that difference because that's just getting out of hand). Other than SMRPG and Mario 2, Peach is...that girl you rescue all the time. She's really not all that likable.

And are people seriously considering Super Princess Peach when talking about her strength? Really?


Why shouldn't we consider Super Princess Peach? She's the main character of the game, it's not like we're asking Peach to beat Zelda, or anyone is thinking she'll be anywhere close to being able to defeat her, we're talking about Chun-Mother ****ing-Li. SSBM on it's own is bigger on this site than SF. Chun-Li has no personality, no real character to her, nothing to make her stand out as simply a fighting game character. SSB has proven to be the most popular fighting game on this site, and I'll be damned if you're going to write it off, when all that Chun-Li has going for her is a fighting game with much less strength on this site than SSB. SSB alone should put Peach near Chun-Li's level, especially when she's one of the better fighters. Then you have the entire Super Mario backing where you save her in every damn game, you can play as her in SMB2, can play as her in pretty much every Mario spinoff game, and as I've said, stars in her own game on the huge success that the DS has been, especially here on GameFAQs. There's really nothing telling me that Chun-Li of all people should be able to defeat her. As for Sheik, I've seen at least 5 people since nominations went up ask if Sheik was a boy or a girl, not everyone thinks as Sheik and Zelda as one in the same.


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LeonhartForever | Posted 8/3/2006 2:28:14 PM | message detail
SSBM being more popular than SFII is not relevant to this argument when there are several SSBM characters who wouldn't stand a chance of beating Ryu (or even Ken). Don't bring out the games argument, please. All it implies is potential. It says NOTHING about actual performance.

As for Sheik, I've seen at least 5 people since nominations went up ask if Sheik was a boy or a girl, not everyone thinks as Sheik and Zelda as one in the same.

More than likely a minority, especially considering SSBM (of all things) pretty much establishes them as one and the same. And why do you think they used Sheik as an alter ego? Because she was popular. Imagine that!
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 8/3/2006 2:33:08 PM | message detail
SSBM being more popular than SFII is not relevant to this argument when there are several SSBM characters who wouldn't stand a chance of beating Ryu (or even Ken). Don't bring out the games argument, please. All it implies is potential. It says NOTHING about actual performance.

As a result of their being no real main character. Sure you could say Mario & Luigi due to simply the name, but the game never actually gives you that feel of them being the star of it. Rather everyone is on the same playing field, much on the same level that I would put Chun-Li on.

More than likely a minority, especially considering SSBM (of all things) pretty much establishes them as one and the same. And why do you think they used Sheik as an alter ego? Because she was popular. Imagine that!

Oh I know it's the minority, but it's not like it's far and away the number 1 reason why people vote for Zelda in a contest. And like I said, I'm not trying to say Peach is going to beat Zelda, just good ol' average Chun-Li (who lost to Bowser who overperfomed on Snake). >_>

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 2:35:27 PM | message detail
Peach discussion makes me want to stab myself. It's far too much attention on someone who will have next to no strength. >>

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