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| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/3/2006 1:55:46 AM | message detail |
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By the way, how strong is Peach if she is to Mario as Zelda is to Link? --- Pity for the Gurus is treason to Z1mZum. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 1:56:04 AM | message detail |
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"Bingo." Well, yeah. Except, I think there was some evidence pointing out that an adjustment was necessary. Sometihng to do with Tails, perhaps? (please read the sarcasm there) Seriously, everything to this point now indicates he's underrated. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 1:58:35 AM | message detail |
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"By the way, how strong is Peach if she is to Mario as Zelda is to Link?" No exact numbers, but it puts her roughly in the neighborhood of... well.. Rikku and Yuna. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/3/2006 1:59:00 AM | message detail |
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Well, it's obvious that he's underrated, but there was very little to work with in means of adjustment. If Link:Zelda::Mario:Peach, then Peach = 24.46% on Link Though I don't think that's the case. Zelda has more reason to be stronger than Peach does (Sheik, I'm looking at you!) --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 2:00:19 AM | message detail |
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"(Sheik, I'm looking at you losing to Peach in SSBM!)" Fix'd --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 2:00:39 AM | message detail |
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"How strong is Terra if she is to Kefka as Mario is to Bowser?" Not happenin'. I said it last time, I said it this time. For the same reasons, even. --- Z1mZum whooped me so bad in the Guru Contest that the next Lopen wannabe is gonna feel it. |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/3/2006 2:01:18 AM | message detail |
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Fixed nothing. Sheik is generally regarded as the top tier in SSBM, regardless of how good people can get with Peach. And I wasn't even talking about SSBM. --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/3/2006 2:01:36 AM | message detail |
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Zelda has more reason to be stronger than Peach does (Sheik, I'm looking at you!) Do you have anything other than Sheik for that reasoning? Peach has had more important roles in games than Zelda's Sheik. She's been a playable character in two games (Not counting the sports and parties) (And sort of in the Paper Marios too...) and has her own game... --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php Please nominate K. K. Slider (Animal Crossing) (Male) and Kazooie (Banjo-Kazooie) (Female) |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 2:03:00 AM | message detail |
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Kefka has special cicumstances. Or rather, no one can agree who the
hero is in FF6 so all PCs get "sidekick" status at best. Try
Kefka:Terra::Bowser:Luigi(or Yoshi, whatever) --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/3/2006 2:03:29 AM | message detail |
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Peach has had more important roles in games than Zelda's Sheik Importance? Like that matters (and it's not necessarily true anyway, other than Mario 2, where she's playable, but that's not exactly in the neighborhood of being the most popular installment). Sheik was, for lack of a better word, cool, something Peach has yet to accomplish in a video game. Sheik had mystery and an appeal that your average princess in distress does not. --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/3/2006 2:04:20 AM | message detail |
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"How strong is Terra if she is to Kefka as Mario is to Bowser?" Not happenin'. I said it last time, I said it this time. For the same reasons, even. Eh, I know that Peach will be weaker than that, I just wanted some sort of maximum bound. That's 24.46 on Base Link, right Leon? --- Pity for the Gurus is treason to Z1mZum. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 2:04:36 AM | message detail |
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"Sheik is generally regarded as the top tier in SSBM," Peach is only ever at worst one tier below her, and often on the same tier. And if you're not looking at SSBM you might as well not say Shiek at all. that's like saying "I'm looking at you, Tetra" --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/3/2006 2:05:08 AM | message detail |
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No, that's 24.46 on Link. It'd be more like 26.69 on BL. --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 2:05:58 AM | message detail |
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| THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/3/2006 2:06:29 AM | message detail |
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And if you're not looking at SSBM you might as well not say Shiek at all. that's like saying "I'm looking at you, Tetra" So...you're saying that Zelda being Sheik in Ocarina of Time (the second most popular game on this site, mind you) has no effect on her popularity? If she had not been Sheik, there is absolutely no way she rivals Ganondorf in popularity. None. --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 2:06:30 AM | message detail |
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Try Kefka:Terra::Bowser:Luigi(or Yoshi, whatever) I don't even really agree with that... I think the main reason Terra flopped is because too many of the people just didn't really like her and that Locke or Edgar could do better... but guess what? It still doesn't work. She's still too low. --- Z1mZum whooped me so bad in the Guru Contest that the next Lopen wannabe is gonna feel it. |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/3/2006 2:06:40 AM | message detail |
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Uh, what's the difference between base Link and Link Link? --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php Please nominate K. K. Slider (Animal Crossing) (Male) and Kazooie (Banjo-Kazooie) (Female) |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/3/2006 2:07:24 AM | message detail |
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Base Link is 2003 Link. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Owned by Z1mZum in the Best. Series. Ever. Guru Contest |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/3/2006 2:07:58 AM | message detail |
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Uh, what's the difference between base Link and Link Link? Base Link is basically just used as a measuring stick to gauge how much a character has increased or decreased from year to year. --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 2:08:00 AM | message detail |
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Damn you, you maniac. Damn you to hell (for not using BL). *wishes he could remember the exactl quote but feels like he hasn't seen the original PotA since it was new even though he's not quite that old **wonders how Leon can think Peach is THAT far off that she loses to Chun-li with the previously mentioned data. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2006 2:08:48 AM | message detail |
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Peach at 27%...forgive me, but Vivi would smash her. No way does Peach do better than mother****ing Donkey Kong, and I'd take Vivi over him (and Master Chief) today. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/3/2006 2:09:08 AM | message detail |
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wonders how Leon can think Peach is THAT far off that she loses to Chun-li with the previously mentioned data. I think I just told you. Not my fault if you disagree. Besides, gauging characters off of proportions, of all things, isn't what I'd call "reliable." --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/3/2006 2:09:16 AM | message detail |
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Ok, here's clearly flawless logic for Peach > Chun Li: SF2 lost. --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php Please nominate K. K. Slider (Animal Crossing) (Male) and Kazooie (Banjo-Kazooie) (Female) |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 2:10:35 AM | message detail |
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"So...you're saying that Zelda being Sheik in Ocarina of Time (the
second most popular game on this site, mind you) has no effect on her
popularity?" Did nothing for me... "If she had not been Sheik, there is absolutely no way she rivals Ganondorf in popularity." Assuming neither is in SSBM (since I'm sure with your logic we'd have to give her a bigger boost than him) you're probably correct. But playablity counts for more than badassery in character battles. Should you not have noticed most leads beting the ever-loving hell out of they're respective "badasses", that only further leads me to believe that Zelda's biggest gain is from a place where Peach so happens to be as well. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/3/2006 2:10:42 AM | message detail |
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You forgot that logic's one fatal flaw: Games != characters Whoo! --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 2:11:48 AM | message detail |
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"She's still too low." Really? I should do the math myself, but how about Sephiroth:Tifa/Aeris::Kefka:Terra? --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/3/2006 2:12:41 AM | message detail |
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Did nothing for me... Based off of Zelda's popularity, I'd wager you're more in the minority. I don't think SSBM alone puts her that close to Ganondorf, unless we're going to start arguing that Peach is close to Bowser because she's that much better in SSBM. --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 2:12:54 AM | message detail |
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"No way does Peach do better than mother****ing Donkey Kong," But does she do better than Yuna or Rikku? That's all that counts in this discussion, really. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2006 2:13:12 AM | message detail |
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Kefka gets 59-41 on Terra assuming no overrating of Terra whatsoever (which I find hard to believe). Whoa. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 8/3/2006 2:13:43 AM | message detail |
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Peach does have one advantage that Zelda does not: Super Mario RPG.
Peach was awesome in that game, and I have a feeling that the game is
even stronger than it looked in 2k4. Not to mention Peach being a
character in all the Mario spinoffs. --- Pity for the Gurus is treason to Z1mZum. |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/3/2006 2:14:10 AM | message detail |
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But does she do better than Yuna or Rikku? Considering they're right behind Vivi, I think he's saying "not a chance." --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2006 2:15:04 AM | message detail |
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I think Yuna is *stronger* than Vivi, so no way in hell there. Vivi only gets 51% on Rikku, too. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 2:15:45 AM | message detail |
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"Besides, gauging characters off of proportions, of all things, isn't what I'd call "reliable."" Of course not, I never said it was. But Zelda's proportion shouldn't be THAT much better than Peach's when Peach has been playable in actual SMB games while Zelda cannot say the same for her eponymous series. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 2:15:45 AM | message detail |
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Really? I should do the math myself, but how about Sephiroth:Tifa/Aeris::Kefka:Terra? Okay, that undershoots Terra... but you know that's an unfair comparison anyway. Sephiroth is practically Cloud! --- Z1mZum whooped me so bad in the Guru Contest that the next Lopen wannabe is gonna feel it. |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 8/3/2006 2:16:04 AM | message detail |
| I'd still go with Tina over Kefka. A lot of Kefka voters wouldn't vote him over the main character, would they? |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 2:17:08 AM | message detail |
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"Besides, gauging characters off of proportions, of all things, isn't what I'd call "reliable."" Of course not, I never said it was. But Zelda's proportion shouldn't be THAT much better than Peach's when Peach has been playable in actual SMB games while Zelda cannot say the same for her eponymous series. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 8/3/2006 2:17:10 AM | message detail |
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I was bored and made a bracket for the male side. Feel free to take a look, you can even predict it if you want. http://www.bracketmaker.com/tmenu.cfm?tid=175116 |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 8/3/2006 2:17:46 AM | message detail |
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But Zelda's proportion shouldn't be THAT much better than Peach's
when Peach has been playable in actual SMB games while Zelda cannot say
the same for her eponymous series. Proportions don't really matter at all. In every situation, you're going to find radically different proportions, and for good reason. Voters don't vote that way. --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2006 2:18:13 AM | message detail |
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I'd take Kefka over (and vote him over) every FF6 character without
even thinking about it. He's *the* fan-favorite of FF6, and gets more
prominence than any other character. It's the characters' weakness as a
whole that gets me -- even with an ensemble cast, you'd think enough
people would like the guy from playing it to have him not struggle
against Pac-Man and get blown out by Diablo. Eh... --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 2:18:55 AM | message detail |
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"Sephiroth is practically Cloud!" Which explains the undershooting, and show's you about why Kefka is better than Terra. There's no concensus that she's the lead (I'd support Locke in that possition over her, quite easily). --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 2:19:49 AM | message detail |
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Of course not, I never said it was. But Zelda's proportion shouldn't be THAT much better than Peach's The reason isn't something you can put in number of releases or games... the reason is likability. Period. I know you're disappointed that this isn't a Mathematical equation or proportion of some sort, but that's really all there is to it. This isn't a stats call so much as it's a common sense call, me thinking Peach is fodder. --- Z1mZum whooped me so bad in the Guru Contest that the next Lopen wannabe is gonna feel it. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 2:20:40 AM | message detail |
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"Voters don't vote that way." No, but they do vote by relationship. Look at Ganon and tell me there aren't a hell of a lot of Zelda fans that vote for him regardles of how much they actually like him. Peach will get the same. I never claimed it'd be to same degree (since, as I've repeatedly stated, I barely take her over Chun-li and below both Rikku and Yuna, though possibly over Rikku). --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/3/2006 2:20:59 AM | message detail |
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Ken Ryu H Liquid Snake Shadow Arthas I see none of them getting in, and am shaky on: Frog Tommy Kefka ...and I guess Leon. Phoenix is getting into this contest definitely too, so he's a major snub. As are Fox, Prince of Persia, Captain Falcon, Nightmare, Luigi, and Raiden. --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php Please nominate K. K. Slider (Animal Crossing) (Male) and Kazooie (Banjo-Kazooie) (Female) |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 2:21:56 AM | message detail |
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"even with an ensemble cast, you'd think enough people would like the
guy from playing it to have him not struggle against Pac-Man and get
blown out by Diablo." Like you said (and this is more realistic of FF6's possition) he's the fan favorite. What have we learned about fan favorites? (ex: Yoshi, Knux) --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/3/2006 2:22:23 AM | message detail |
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Kefka will make the next contest. He managed a 3 seed in the last one. And yeah, I'm baffled as to why Kefka isn't stronger on this site. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Owned by Z1mZum in the Best. Series. Ever. Guru Contest |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 8/3/2006 2:22:42 AM | message detail |
| Yea, I didn't really account for the nomination-rally going on here... |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2006 2:23:00 AM | message detail |
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Referring to Phoenix as a 'snub' makes me sad. In a 32 male bracket,
nothing would make me happier than to see Phoenix miss out entirely. No
disrespect to him or his game, but when the other half bracket is so
fodderific, I'd like our male bracket to be fodder free. Jay Solano not
necessarily included...though I'm still iffy on him, despite nomming
him. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| MoogleKupo141 | Posted 8/3/2006 2:24:07 AM | message detail |
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Referring to Phoenix as a 'snub' makes me sad. In a 32 male bracket,
nothing would make me happier than to see Phoenix miss out entirely. No
disrespect to him or his game, but when the other half bracket is so
fodderific, I'd like our male bracket to be fodder free. Jay Solano not
necessarily included...though I'm still iffy on him, despite nomming
him. I see no harm in having the 8 seeds be fodder (Like Phoenix). You're not going to find an 8 seed that can give Crono, Mega Man, Sonic, or Snake a decent match. --- http://www.gamefaqs.com/features/contest/contest_nominate.php Please nominate K. K. Slider (Animal Crossing) (Male) and Kazooie (Banjo-Kazooie) (Female) |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 2:24:25 AM | message detail |
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For those reasons (and more) I dropped Jay like a bad habit. Who needs
Jay SOlano to be Neo-Tanner when you have about 10-16 females vying for
the honor? --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 2:24:40 AM | message detail |
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Which explains the undershooting, and show's you about why Kefka is
better than Terra. There's no concensus that she's the lead (I'd
support Locke in that possition over her, quite easily). No it doesn't. It's just picking a weird villain that helps your cause. Sephiroth is not typical... we already played your comparison out by comparing the villain to a support character, and Terra still fell short. So you had to use a main character. (because that's basically what Sephiroth is as far as relative strength goes) You haven't explained anything. --- Z1mZum whooped me so bad in the Guru Contest that the next Lopen wannabe is gonna feel it. |