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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 340
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| creativename | Posted 8/3/2006 12:20:32 AM | message detail |
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I might vote Sephiroth over Link, but if not for these contests I'd like Link better. --- As the best poster in the stats topic, I move that we all stop acting like elitist know-it-alls about matches that aren't horribly obvious. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 12:21:07 AM | message detail |
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"Also, Sephiroth managing to gain a couple points on Link from 2K2 to 2K5 after the Nintendo boost is quite substantial itself." Who said Sephiroth gained ANYTHING. He's slightly lower than his 2k3 value, meaning he stayed level. He just had a bad match in 2k4 against Cloud. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/3/2006 12:21:10 AM | message detail |
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More like 0%, mirite? --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Owned by Z1mZum in the Best. Series. Ever. Guru Contest |
| Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 12:21:41 AM | message detail |
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You know, the more I'm looking at these 2005 adjusted standings, the
more I'm thinking that the whole 2005 Link getting 54% on 2003 Link is
a crock. I mean look at the standings just based off Link being a 50%,
do they really look that
off to you? Yeah, Mega Man and Crono are about 1.5% lower than normal,
Sonic's about the same as the year before, Snake's about the same.
Mario's understandably a bit higher. All could be chalked up to yearly
variation. Why should Link 2005 get 55% on Link 2003? "Big N boost" or not, it's kinda silly. Not that any of this really matters... the characters are all scaled up appropriately... we might as well go DBZ style and say 2005 Link is worth 400 Million on 2003 Link. --- Z1mZum whooped me so bad in the Guru Contest that the next Lopen wannabe is gonna feel it. |
| dethfdddddh | Posted 8/3/2006 12:21:58 AM | message detail |
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| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2006 12:22:00 AM | message detail |
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What is this sprite round you speak of? Is there a round designated for using sprite match pics? Yes. Bowser/Snake took place in said round, for your edification. Snake has never even come close to competing with the elite eight. Snake (2003c) VS Sonic (2003c) Snake has a strength of 35.90. Sonic has a strength of 34.92. Snake wins with 51.36% of the vote! A win of 2,484 with 90,979 total votes cast. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| creativename | Posted 8/3/2006 12:22:01 AM | message detail |
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Who said Sephiroth gained ANYTHING. He's slightly lower than his 2k3
value, meaning he stayed level. He just had a bad match in 2k4 against
Cloud. What? How is this related to what I said? --- As the best poster in the stats topic, I move that we all stop acting like elitist know-it-alls about matches that aren't horribly obvious. |
| Janus5000 | Posted 8/3/2006 12:22:30 AM | message detail |
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As far as hearts go, no one voted in Link/Sephiroth. --- Those who are ordinary gurus decide nothing. Z1mZum decides everything. Including my nominating Toadette. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 12:24:13 AM | message detail |
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Because you ****ing ignoring his 2k3 value that put him right there anyway? --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| creativename | Posted 8/3/2006 12:25:27 AM | message detail |
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You know, the more I'm looking at these 2005 adjusted standings, the
more I'm thinking that the whole 2005 Link getting 54% on 2003 Link is
a crock. I mean look at the standings just based off Link being a 50%,
do they really look that off to you? The degree of the boost can easily be disputed. Though there definitely was some boost for Link. And again. Sephiroth destroyed Mario and Mega Man in 2K3. To say he overperformed on Cloud doesn't hold up at all. The only thing you can say is that he avoided SFF that year when he didn't the year after, but the 2K3 final was clearly indicative of his natural strength. --- As the best poster in the stats topic, I move that we all stop acting like elitist know-it-alls about matches that aren't horribly obvious. |
| creativename | Posted 8/3/2006 12:27:17 AM | message detail |
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Because you ****ing ignoring his 2k3 value that put him right there anyway? Because the discussion was about 2K5 relative to 2K2...? --- As the best poster in the stats topic, I move that we all stop acting like elitist know-it-alls about matches that aren't horribly obvious. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2006 12:27:52 AM | message detail |
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I think cn was just referring to direct matches between Sephiroth and
Link, and that Sephiroth gaining on Link between those matches despite
the Nintendo boost is a clear evidence of him boosting. Or something.
olololuhoh --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 12:28:21 AM | message detail |
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But he gained all of that in 2k3, not 2k5. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| creativename | Posted 8/3/2006 12:28:46 AM | message detail |
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I think cn was just referring to direct matches between Sephiroth
and Link, and that Sephiroth gaining on Link between those matches
despite the Nintendo boost is a clear evidence of him boosting. Yes, exactly. --- As the best poster in the stats topic, I move that we all stop acting like elitist know-it-alls about matches that aren't horribly obvious. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 12:29:21 AM | message detail |
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And as I'm saying, he gained it long before the Nintendo boost, not despite it. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| creativename | Posted 8/3/2006 12:30:03 AM | message detail |
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But he gained all of that in 2k3, not 2k5. Someone was trying to say he barely gained ever, and simply overperformed in 2K3. Which upon cursory inspection is false. --- As the best poster in the stats topic, I move that we all stop acting like elitist know-it-alls about matches that aren't horribly obvious. |
| ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/3/2006 12:31:03 AM | message detail |
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God damnit... this is making me hate 2003, seeing how much Sephiroth
had going for him in terms of winning, and he still got beat by Cloud.
God damnit all. --- Everything's 10X better with a RKO and Orton pose. ~ Donkey111 |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 12:31:23 AM | message detail |
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Then there's still no reason to say "despite the Nintendo boost" as
Sephiroth gained before that happened. You threw me off by making me
think you actually believe Seph went up in 2k5. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 12:34:22 AM | message detail |
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Oh, and to combat Lopen's doubt the answer clearly is "If Link didn't
gain, everyone else in the contest dropped." What's more beleivable of
the two, that Link stayed the same and all but a handful of characters
with new games dropped or that Link increased and a ton of character
with no reason to change stayed the same? --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2006 12:34:48 AM | message detail |
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I actually maintain that if you flip the two half-brackets (meaning
that the order of the matches goes Sephiroth/Mega Man, Link/Cloud, then
Sephiroth/Cloud), Sephiroth wins that match due to the proximity
between Link/Cloud and Sephiroth/Cloud. Mega Man/Sephiroth might have
saved Cloud from being robbed. Of course, that's just another Kay Aitch Karazy Theory! --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| creativename | Posted 8/3/2006 12:34:56 AM | message detail |
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Then there's still no reason to say "despite the Nintendo boost" as
Sephiroth gained before that happened. You threw me off by making me
think you actually believe Seph went up in 2k5. I never said "despite": "Also, Sephiroth managing to gain a couple points on Link from 2K2 to 2K5 after the Nintendo boost is quite substantial itself." Though I fail to see how the word "despite" instead of "after" would mean anything...but whatever. This was clearly a misunderstanding anyway. --- As the best poster in the stats topic, I move that we all stop acting like elitist know-it-alls about matches that aren't horribly obvious. |
| Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 12:35:08 AM | message detail |
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Mega Man also dropped 5% from 2k2 to 2k3... for no obvious reason
whatsoever. Maybe that 2003 Sephiroth was his legitimate strength at
the time, or maybe he overperformed on Cloud and Mario and Mega Man
dropped a bit..., but I don't buy it's all Kingdom Hearts as much as it
is random fluctuation landing in his favor. And I was not saying he never gained ever... I'm just saying he didn't gain 6% like people are chalking up to the KHF and calling it the massive boost to end all boosts. 2-3% tops. I'm just arguing against the KH boost here, really. --- Z1mZum whooped me so bad in the Guru Contest that the next Lopen wannabe is gonna feel it. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 8/3/2006 12:35:18 AM | message detail |
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Ok enough of this Sephiroth increase jibber jabber. Lets talk about
something 4REAL. Like Crono getting in the Tournament of Champions and
starting another slobberknocker with Mario. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa I jobbed to Z1mZum in the Guru Contest. Did you? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2006 12:36:30 AM | message detail |
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I don't think Mega Man dropped in 2k3. Link just boosted in 2k3, is all. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 12:36:35 AM | message detail |
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Like Crono getting in the Tournament of Champions and starting another slobberknocker with Mario. Indeed! --- The winner begins with Z1m and ends with Zum... This is the truth! This is my belief! ...At least for now. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/3/2006 12:37:02 AM | message detail |
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Crono will be losing to Samus before that happens! --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Owned by Z1mZum in the Best. Series. Ever. Guru Contest |
| Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 12:37:04 AM | message detail |
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Oh, and to combat Lopen's doubt the answer clearly is "If Link
didn't gain, everyone else in the contest dropped." What's more
beleivable of the two, that Link stayed the same and all but a handful
of characters with new games dropped or that Link increased and a ton
of character with no reason to change stayed the same? Who says everybody dropped? Only Crono and Mega Man dropped! Snake and Sonic remained constant, and Mario increased. Drops and increases are still well distributed in there. --- Z1mZum whooped me so bad in the Guru Contest that the next Lopen wannabe is gonna feel it. |
| creativename | Posted 8/3/2006 12:37:06 AM | message detail |
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Very sad, but I don't see Crono coming closer to Mario. Year-over-year
volatility can happen, but logic says that that would only work in
Mario's favor, if anything happens at all. --- As the best poster in the stats topic, I move that we all stop acting like elitist know-it-alls about matches that aren't horribly obvious. |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 8/3/2006 12:37:14 AM | message detail |
| Ah, your on top of the stats as usual. My mistake with the 2003 standings. But Snake has been bringing up the rear of noble nine group in 2004 and 2005. I don't think Snake vs. Bowser was a fluke. The upcoming bracket really needs to have Snake face Ganondorf. I don't know why Snake is so strong against Square characters though, I wouldn't be as confident against Snake with Squall or Vincent. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 12:37:21 AM | message detail |
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Oh, I'm sorry. "after the Nintendo boost". That's radically different, isn't it? --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 12:37:54 AM | message detail |
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Crono will be losing to Samus before that happens! Pfft! Crono's taking Samus. --- The winner begins with Z1m and ends with Zum... This is the truth! This is my belief! ...At least for now. |
| FastFalcon05 | Posted 8/3/2006 12:38:05 AM | message detail |
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And Auron's role in KH2 was awesome. Before even buying the game, I
was anxious to see the area that Auron was in. The fact that he joined
your party, had his Limit Breaks, and was extremely cool every time he
had screentime is enough to make him easily the best new character and
only behind Leon as far as FF cameos go in the game. Everyone loved
him, too, from what I saw of the KH2 board. Auron doesn't really come close for me in terms of FF characters in KHII. I would put, in order: Sephiroth Cloud Tifa Squall Aeris and then run into Auron territory. I'm sort of surprised no one's excited to see post KHII Tifa, unless in my skimming of posts I"ve missed them. She was probably my favorite FF character in the game, if only because she never really cared what you were doing, looked good while she was doing her own thing, and could kick your ass in the coliseum. It's almost a shame Sephiroth doesn't have any other competition (for him to beat, not lose to (if you think he can lose to anyone)), because he could have gotten a nice boost from KH2. --- Revenge is a dish best served cold. ~ Old Klingon Proverb |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/3/2006 12:38:06 AM | message detail |
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as much as it is random fluctuation landing in his favor. When Sephiroth goes from 50/50 to 60/40, that can hardly be considered "random fluctuation." --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 12:38:41 AM | message detail |
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"Though I fail to see how the word "despite" instead of "after" would mean anything..." You're right, there isn't much difference. They're BOTH wrong. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Draco1214 | Posted 8/3/2006 12:39:10 AM | message detail |
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I don't think Snake vs. Bowser was a fluke. It shows the effects of the sprite round on Snake. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Owned by Z1mZum in the Best. Series. Ever. Guru Contest |
| creativename | Posted 8/3/2006 12:39:37 AM | message detail |
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I'd be extremely unsure who to pick in Crono vs. Samus. For me it would probably come down to how they performed earlier in the same contest. Even then I might be uncertain, and pre-contest I have little idea who'd win. --- As the best poster in the stats topic, I move that we all stop acting like elitist know-it-alls about matches that aren't horribly obvious. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 12:40:01 AM | message detail |
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"Who says everybody dropped? Only Crono and Mega Man dropped! Snake and Sonic remained constant, and Mario increased" So there are only 8 characters per contest? --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/3/2006 12:40:19 AM | message detail |
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Sephiroth Cloud Tifa Squall Aeris and then run into Auron territory. ...What in the world did Aeris do in KHII? She wasn't even involved in the Cloud plotline, other than one brief conversation. But yeah, Tifa in KHII was very cool, I thought. She just wasn't as involved in the game because she was off doing her own thing. She's fun and tough to fight in the Coliseum though. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| creativename | Posted 8/3/2006 12:40:34 AM | message detail |
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You're right, there isn't much difference. They're BOTH wrong. There was nothing wrong with what I said. You misunderstood the context. Leave it be. --- As the best poster in the stats topic, I move that we all stop acting like elitist know-it-alls about matches that aren't horribly obvious. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2006 12:41:13 AM | message detail |
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Even if Bowser didn't fluke in the sprite round (and for some reason I
doubt that he did...), I don't think Bowser beats Ganondorf...so I
really don't think Ganon can take Snake, at least pre-TP. He needs a post-TP, pre-MGS4, pre-SSBB match to make me take him there. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 8/3/2006 12:41:19 AM | message detail |
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Chichiri can't leave anything be. You're going to have to be the one to do that, even if you're not wrong. --- Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling |
| Lopen | Posted 8/3/2006 12:41:31 AM | message detail |
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Do you really need me to go down the entirety of the
X-Stats to prove this, Chichiri? The boosts and drops are well
distributed... just look at them! --- Z1mZum whooped me so bad in the Guru Contest that the next Lopen wannabe is gonna feel it. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 8/3/2006 12:42:02 AM | message detail |
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Auron doesn't really come close for me in terms of FF characters in KHII. I would put, in order: Sephiroth Cloud Tifa Squall Aeris and then run into Auron territory. Your order is...definitely unique. The fact that you have Aerith above Auron is strange to say the least. I can understand the others, but Aerith? ... Yeah. I would say Auron is much higher up in the rankings for the vast majority of people who played KH2. --- The winner begins with Z1m and ends with Zum... This is the truth! This is my belief! ...At least for now. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 12:42:10 AM | message detail |
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"There was nothing wrong with what I said." Read it again. And again, and again and again. Read it until you see that you clearly said Sephiroth gained AFTER the Nintendo boost. Oh, and keep reading it, because I don't think you even realized what you said. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 12:42:57 AM | message detail |
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"Do you really need me to go down the entirety of the X-Stats to prove this, Chichiri?" Go ahead. Do it for all four years. I'll be waiting here for you. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| creativename | Posted 8/3/2006 12:43:55 AM | message detail |
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I was referring to Sephiroth increasing in direct mathchups with Link
after the boost, as Karma Hunter already said. He had no direct matchup
with Link in between. --- As the best poster in the stats topic, I move that we all stop acting like elitist know-it-alls about matches that aren't horribly obvious. |
| ChichiriMuyo | Posted 8/3/2006 12:44:35 AM | message detail |
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"Chichiri can't leave anything be. You're going to have to be the one to do that, even if you're not wrong." *shrugs* He's calling it my mistake when he indicated that something that didn't happen did. It may not have been the correct context, but he said what he said and what he said was wrong. Period. --- Z1mzum kicked my ass in the guru contest, so now I have to kiss his ass. Detective in Sir Chris' Police |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 8/3/2006 12:44:40 AM | message detail |
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*don't think Ganon beats Bowser That's one heck of a slip. <_< --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| ExThaNemesis | Posted 8/3/2006 12:46:34 AM | message detail |
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Wow you guys get more heated in here than I remember. >.> --- Everything's 10X better with a RKO and Orton pose. ~ Donkey111 |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 8/3/2006 12:46:44 AM | message detail |
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I don't think Bowser beats Ganondorf I think you meant the other way around? But either way, Snake vs Leon, Bowser vs Ganondorf, winners face each other sound good? It'd solve a lot of problems. |