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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 337

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Read_Only_Thx | Posted 7/31/2006 9:30:44 PM | message detail
Lead: 1176

Zelda GAINED percentage that update.
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Nominate Nidoran F.
Slowflake | Posted 7/31/2006 9:30:58 PM | message detail
FACT OR FICTION: With the nominations being linked on the poll result page, Link, Cloud, Sephiroth and Mario will get more noms than anyone else regardless of the warning.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/31/2006 9:31:01 PM | message detail
I never got an answer. What made everyone so sure FF would win in the first place? Regardless of how this match ends, what instilled this confidence? I cannot, for the life of me, understand it.

I tried very hard to convince myself that The Legend of Zelda would beat Final Fantasy pre-contest, but Final Fantasy VII/Ocarina of Time just wouldn't let me. That was just before Link ripped through SC2k4, too, so I figured that NintendoFAQs had already happened, or at least started. I also thought The Legend of Zelda would only be marginally stronger than Link, since he basically represents his series, while Final Fantasy had the potential to be quite a bit stronger than Cloud. It seemed clear that VII was stronger than Cloud, so I thought it would follow that the series would be noticeably stronger than VII.

I thought wrong.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/31/2006 9:31:05 PM | message detail
GoNintendo just linked to the poll.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/31/2006 9:31:57 PM | message detail
No way for use to prove it, but I'm going with Fact.
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Just Some Person | Posted 7/31/2006 9:31:57 PM | message detail
Outside influences...

I'm trying to keep the faith, but this just make it a little harder for FF to win.

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CompmanJX3 | Posted 7/31/2006 9:31:57 PM | message detail

The contribution for fanbases of games other than FF7 being more substantial than the same for OoT, I'd think.


I thought that might be it. I guess it's been a while since I've seen someone whine about how OoT sucked and LoZ is past its two dimensional prime, but I would imagine those people still exist in masse even if they aren't vocal anymore. Meanwhile, RPGs continue to be a relatively hardcore genre. FF has a lot of overlap in playership, particularly where FFVII is concerned. FFVII also has extremely vocal detractors.
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DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 7/31/2006 9:32:25 PM | message detail
Come on Zelda! My bracket is screwed anyway!
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Sp2k6: 60/64 Rank: Tied for 1018th Losses: Halo, GTA, SF Nominate Nidoran F and
Yesterday's Pick: FF Today's Pick: FF CATS in the character contest!
MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/31/2006 9:32:44 PM | message detail
Zelda series > Link > OOT
FF7 > Cloud > Final Fantasy series
Master Moltar | Posted 7/31/2006 9:32:50 PM | message detail
GoNintendo just linked to the poll.

BAH GAWD THEY HAVE NO SOWL!

I'm interested to see if FF can dominate the night vote like it did yesterday. I doubt it since it's Zelda...but hey.
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Legend of Zelda vs. Final Fantasy - Bracket: FF - Vote: LoZ (62/64)
gonf | Posted 7/31/2006 9:33:00 PM | message detail
FF series = FF7
Zelda series > OoT
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creativename | Posted 7/31/2006 9:33:10 PM | message detail
CompmanJX3:
I was never exactly certain what the reason was for everyone's certainty that FF would win, anway. Did it all come down to FFVII beating OoT two years ago? If it did.... that's really awful reasoning, and if it didn't, what was it that made you all so sure?

Despite the Nintendo Boost, like most, for me it was the "Final Fantasy gains more from its more diverse fanbase" theory. So many people love one Final Fantasy and hate FF7. Not so with Zelda. But, that doesn't seem to have panned out.


ChichirMuyo:

"The Elder Scrolls: 16.62%
Diablo: 14.02%"

Something is wrong. Something is very, very wrong.


I blame the FF7 heavy picture against Diablo myself, as well as SF possibly being overrated due to Resicrap Evil. But obviously one can't say for sure.


LordOfDabu:
I'm glad nominations are on the poll results. I think it's a great idea. We only want the strongest characters... right?

Yes...though I was still really hoping for Midgar Zolom :\

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As the best poster in the stats topic, I move that we all stop acting like elitist know-it-alls about matches that aren't horribly obvious.
ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/31/2006 9:33:51 PM | message detail
Hey, guys, predictions were a month ago. We don't need to explain our choices anymore.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/31/2006 9:33:55 PM | message detail
I'll say this -- even if FF made the comeback (I deem it miraculous if it does), there's no way I don't take Link > Cloud this year. None at all -- we saw in 2k3 that the KHF was likely the big reason for all the new success for the Square characters, especially Sephiroth and Cloud (though we know what happened in Mario/Cloud). Now, this year, KH2 and FF:AC are out and the two biggest games out this year so far are RPGs, but those releases and that type of influx haven't stopped LoZ from taking this match and running with it.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/31/2006 9:34:23 PM | message detail
EBNW

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CompmanJX3 | Posted 7/31/2006 9:34:51 PM | message detail
At this point we are not explaining our choices so much as contemplating the current results with our choices in retrospect.
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CountCrazy007 | Posted 7/31/2006 9:35:05 PM | message detail
From Slowflake Posted 7/31/2006 11:30:58 PM
FACT OR FICTION: With the nominations being linked on the poll result page, Link, Cloud, Sephiroth and Mario will get more noms than anyone else regardless of the warning.

Fiction, the people who read carefully enough to even see the link will read the warning. At least most of them.
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creativename | Posted 7/31/2006 9:35:24 PM | message detail
FACT OR FICTION: With the nominations being linked on the poll result page, Link, Cloud, Sephiroth and Mario will get more noms than anyone else regardless of the warning.

Most likely true, but frankly I would've said the same even if it was just the board. I just don't think most people, including board people, will read a non-bolded, last-placed rule.

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As the best poster in the stats topic, I move that we all stop acting like elitist know-it-alls about matches that aren't horribly obvious.
Read_Only_Thx | Posted 7/31/2006 9:35:37 PM | message detail
Lead: 1309.
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Nominate Nidoran F.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/31/2006 9:35:50 PM | message detail
From BlastTheSpeaker Posted 8/1/2006 12:29:47 AM
Goodbye Carmen Sandiego dominating the female side ;___;

Uhh why?


Mass nominations = crappy female characters that will suck hard that Carmen could beat with her hands behind her back. 50% of all people don't even know she had a game before the shows.


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Slowflake | Posted 7/31/2006 9:35:54 PM | message detail
Winners and Losers is going to be HELL to write today. So many series I don't know where to put...

...by the way, I STILL haven't voted yet. Sure, I'm really big on OoT and WW, but the rest... not so much. LttP? Damn good game, but not anywhere near any favorite list of mine. LoZ? Good in its time, but now only exists to highlight how much better LttP is. Zelda 2? Meh, didn't like the whole RPG twist much. Majora's Ma... oh ****.

*votes FF*
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/31/2006 9:36:08 PM | message detail
I hate to think pics have anything to do with it, but for once the pics showed something radically different each round. FF is at its best with Cloud showing his ugly pretty-boy mug, after all.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/31/2006 9:36:44 PM | message detail

I thought that might be it. I guess it's been a while since I've seen someone whine about how OoT sucked and LoZ is past its two dimensional prime, but I would imagine those people still exist in masse even if they aren't vocal anymore. Meanwhile, RPGs continue to be a relatively hardcore genre. FF has a lot of overlap in playership, particularly where FFVII is concerned. FFVII also has extremely vocal detractors.


Actually I think it's more that pre-contest we thought diversity was going to be a good thing, we also thought people were going to vote by "Oh man FF7 is my favorite game ever! *votes for FF*" or "Oh man Halo is such a sweet game! *votes for halo" and the like. Unfortunately we were wrong, and people actually tended to vote for the series they thought was better overall. The diversity in FF may hurt it as people might think "Man I loved FF7, but I hated 9, and 8 wasn't that good either, but the entire LoZ series kicked ass even if I do like FF7 better than any Zelda game "votes for LoZ."

We were depending on diversity helping FF, while the lack of it seems to be helping LoZ and hurting FF.

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ccbfan | Posted 7/31/2006 9:37:40 PM | message detail
I think we over estimated how much FF4 and FF6 would help Final Fantasy.

I thought that those two games would have bought an entirely new voting pool into Final Fantasy. Amazing its seems for many fans of them that didn't vote OOT over FF7, Alttp trumped both the snes FFs to put Zelda over FF.

Plus, a one on one matchup with OOT and FF7 might have every different result now. The Nintendo gain is going full steam and with the success of the DS and the hype of the Wii (Which on this site is greater than the PS3 and 360 combined) I don't see it slowing down anytime soon. Don't be suprised if all the Nintendo characters over perform in the character contest. I'm definitely gonna keep that in mind when I make my bracket.
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/31/2006 9:37:40 PM | message detail
This is depressing.

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Figlar20000 | Posted 7/31/2006 9:37:47 PM | message detail
My favourite FF game was Tactics. The rest were FAR too easy imo, and pathetically easy isn't what I enjoy in games usually.
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Tai | Posted 7/31/2006 9:38:31 PM | message detail
I had LoZ winning this at one point..........thanks a lot, SquareFAQs!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/31/2006 9:38:32 PM | message detail
Man, it looks like Nintendo is going to dominate the Character Contest...again. I was hoping KHII would give us hope of mixing things up.

So...FFVII/OoT rematch: Does FFVII still win?
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BeTheMan | Posted 7/31/2006 9:38:40 PM | message detail
This is absolutely brutal. I'm trying to imagine what happens after Twilight Princess comes out, assuming it lives up to expectations...I mean, how much stronger can Zelda possibly get?
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Slowflake | Posted 7/31/2006 9:38:46 PM | message detail
Interestingly enough, we had a fair warning, with LttP clobbering FF6 in the top 10 list. FF6 was way behind the rest of the Super Seven, remember?
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ExThaNemesis | Posted 7/31/2006 9:39:08 PM | message detail
Probably.... but I don't know... this site has really become ZeldaFAQs...
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greatone10 | Posted 7/31/2006 9:39:25 PM | message detail
So how much does LoZ get on Shadow Hearts now?
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/31/2006 9:39:32 PM | message detail
Yeah, but Chrono Trigger was still ahead of LttP and FFVII was still ahead of OoT.
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NewLib | Posted 7/31/2006 9:39:37 PM | message detail
I voted FFVII over OOT.

But voting Zelda over FF was easy for me. Its not just Link to the Past is my favorite game, but Zelda hasnt had games that I outright hated like FFII and FFVIII.

I think maybe the diversity of the games hurt FF.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/31/2006 9:39:56 PM | message detail
And I'll two thousandth the idea that anyone who thinks Link has a chance to NOT claim his fourth championship in the coming fall contest is absolutely NUTS.
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CompmanJX3 | Posted 7/31/2006 9:40:04 PM | message detail
So...FFVII/OoT rematch: Does FFVII still win?

Yes. It'll probably be closer because it's a rematch of a fairly close match... but FFVII probably still takes it.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/31/2006 9:40:29 PM | message detail
So...FFVII/OoT rematch: Does FFVII still win?

Yuppers.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/31/2006 9:40:57 PM | message detail
The Top 100 List was the most recent data we had, after all...

...still though, five in the Top Twenty and having #1 >= two in the Top Five and having #2, one would think.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/31/2006 9:41:05 PM | message detail
Only a 100 vote gain for Zelda there! Soon FF will be holding it to double digit gains soon!
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LordOfDabu | Posted 7/31/2006 9:41:17 PM | message detail
So is Mega Man still > Mega Man X?
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/31/2006 9:41:21 PM | message detail

So...FFVII/OoT rematch: Does FFVII still win?


FF7 DID get top spot in the Top 100. Although it would probably be alot closer this time.

Then again, the Top 100 needed an account to vote right? So that might affect things...


TuRtLe
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/31/2006 9:41:43 PM | message detail
FF7 still beats OoT. I don't think this Nintendo boost helps games, as much as they help characters and perhaps series'. People already played Oot and FF7, they are not gonna go back and suddenly change which game they liked better. OoT will never beat FF7.
NewLib | Posted 7/31/2006 9:41:56 PM | message detail
Two things, FF is starting to finnally whittle that percentage down a bit. Maybe it can make a match for it.

The other is, FF/Zelda is now ahead of FF/Mario in votes.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/31/2006 9:41:57 PM | message detail
Still, we NEED another game contest at this point. Since it's fixed that we'll have a character contest this fall, make it the next spring contest, since we're having a specialty contest within a contest with the female shebang.
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Matroshka67 | Posted 7/31/2006 9:42:34 PM | message detail
I wonder if Ocarina of Time could give Final Fantasy VII a match now.
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gonf | Posted 7/31/2006 9:42:36 PM | message detail
So...FFVII/OoT rematch: Does FFVII still win?

Yes
FF series = FF7
Zelda series > OoT

FF7 > OoT
Zelda > FF
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creativename | Posted 7/31/2006 9:42:36 PM | message detail
I don't think we take take much from the Top 100. It's just such a different thing.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/31/2006 9:42:56 PM | message detail
No game ever has the chance to beat FF7 unless TP is even bigger than OoT was.

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Tai | Posted 7/31/2006 9:43:06 PM | message detail
So...FFVII/OoT rematch: Does FFVII still win?


It's only been 40 minutes and you're saying it's over already? XD

BS.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/31/2006 9:43:21 PM | message detail
But it was treating the Top 10 List like the Games Contest that won me $150!
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling