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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/30/2006 5:46:09 PM | message detail
Where are these newbs? I never see claims like these anywhere. Maybe I'm just looking in the wrong topics...
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/30/2006 5:57:59 PM | message detail
I was going to make some sort of sixth sense joke about how the reason you didn't notice them was because you were in fact...

hardy har har?

anyway, the match isn't changing drastically just because of that picture. That said, these themes are just....vastly underwhelming. I know people really love the sprites, but I think the Round I matches were the best pics so far. Maybe it's just easier/more....exciting to do/look at character battle pictures, but the series pictures, for me, were bleh.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/30/2006 6:06:08 PM | message detail
I hate to bring it back up, but with the LoZ/FF/Mario ordeal from earlier...I got to looking between MG and SSB, and if we were to assume that LoZ and SMB were equals (not the case, of course), then an arguably-SFF'd SSB would get 65.32% on MG (MG is at 26.52% at the time of this post). Considering that we debated before the contest about who would be the fourth strongest and many of us agreed MG would be stronger than SSB, this would obviously not be the case. So now let's say SMB gets 40% on FF and we assume FF wins it all. SSB now gets 56.65% on MG, which is much better...but I for one know that I would stand by taking MG > SSB right now, and I doubt I'm the only one. So, if we were to rely on the stats to prove that MG >= SSB, not bothering with any SFF and still assuming FF wins it all, SMB would have to get 34.68% or worse against FF...and the more SFF there was in SMB/SSB, the lower that goes.

I'm not calling for that kind of beating.

However, again, unless the statistics look VERY different in the end I'll stick with MG >= SSB...so to help keep that in line, either SMB will not impress tomorrow or LoZ will beat FF in an Ulti-blowout or better.





Of course, this arguement relies on MG/SSB being close together -- if SSB really is leagues ahead of MG, wow, but I'm not buying that one.
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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/30/2006 6:07:28 PM | message detail
Yep, pretty underwhelming on the whole. Of course, this probably was CJayC's toughest contest as far as pictures are considered. Capturing an entire series of games within a few square inches doesn't sound like an easy task.
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Sir Crono | Posted 7/30/2006 6:07:52 PM | message detail
but I for one know that I would stand by taking MG > SSB right now, and I doubt I'm the only one.

At this point, you're pretty close to the only one.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2006 6:09:18 PM | message detail
Yeah, barring an absolute massacre from FF (and I stress this) followed by a great showing from Zelda, SSB *is* leagues ahead of Metal Gear. And I just can't see Mario not getting over 40%, even if it didn't have the pic advantage.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/30/2006 6:09:32 PM | message detail
but I for one know that I would stand by taking MG > SSB right now, and I doubt I'm the only one.

Good luck with that.

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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/30/2006 6:10:44 PM | message detail
When HM (Greatest MG fanboy of all time, IMHO) doesn't side with Metal Gear, you know you're in the minority. >_>
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Sir Crono | Posted 7/30/2006 6:11:37 PM | message detail
When HM (Greatest MG fanboy of all time, IMHO)

Apparently, you've never met futuresuperstar. That man is a Metal Gear fanatic if I've ever seen one.

And I'm a bigger fanboy than HM is.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/30/2006 6:12:29 PM | message detail
Sarcasm. >_<
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Sir Crono | Posted 7/30/2006 6:12:54 PM | message detail
And I just can't see Mario not getting over 40%, even if it didn't have the pic advantage.

Seeing is believing, and you will soon believe. Being iconic only counts for so much.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/30/2006 6:13:07 PM | message detail
I have a feeling he wasn't being serious. =p

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Slowflake | Posted 7/30/2006 6:13:33 PM | message detail
I've never ever seen a bigger fan of anything than future is a MG fan.

And just you wait. In two weeks' time HM will downplay MG as a thing of the past. You can't be the greatest fan of something unless you're loyal, and HM knows as much about loyalty as I do about pink mammoths.
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Sir Crono | Posted 7/30/2006 6:13:49 PM | message detail
Good, because Sir Crono Smith was about to have to go medieval on somebody.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2006 6:16:20 PM | message detail
Pfft, if HM held on to his MG fanboyism, as enjoyable as it is to me (minus him jinxing every match MG is in), it would be boring. Thankfully, FFXII is on its way out soon, and with it a completely reborn HM hype machine.

Balthier > Link? Believe.
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Sir Crono | Posted 7/30/2006 6:17:00 PM | message detail
Actually, I think he's about to enter Sir Crono Smith > Link Mode.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/30/2006 6:18:18 PM | message detail
Balthier is going to be awesome like that.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/30/2006 6:21:58 PM | message detail
Speaking of the dashing hero himself, where do you guys expect FFXII characters to end up placing in strength? I suppose it might be best to wait to see how GameFAQs takes to the game, but what are expectations before that!! Keeping in mind ...

Vaan: Who are you?
Balthier: The hero of the story.

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Sir Crono | Posted 7/30/2006 6:23:12 PM | message detail
From what I've been told, the characters themselves are not very important, sort of like FFT (considering it's made by the same guy, not surprising). More story driven than character driven.
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Read_Only_Thx | Posted 7/30/2006 6:32:01 PM | message detail
I see FF12's characters below FF10's myself. I'd probably still put them over FF6, but I wouldn't put them over most midcarders.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/30/2006 6:32:19 PM | message detail
From the sound of it, it is definitely more story driven than anything else, but I wouldn't imagine that really stopping any of the characters from being strong. I could see Ashe and Balthier, in particular, being quite strong. The others probably wouldn't be worth too much though.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/30/2006 6:32:50 PM | message detail
Pfft! Balthier > Tidus for certain, yo.

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DeepHyren12 | Posted 7/30/2006 6:34:10 PM | message detail
FFXII will be very controversial, I think. About half the fanbase will love it and the other half will wonder where the hell FF went. So I think that because of the split, FFXII's cahracters won't be as strong as most other FF games. I could see Baltheir maybe being as strong as Vivi.

Oh, and if they had to use FFXII characters (and why not XIII? Lightning would be awesome), they could've at least used Fran. TJF/FFF (furry fan factor!) FTW.
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Phediuk | Posted 7/30/2006 6:35:04 PM | message detail
Current nomination rally Top 10s:

Male-

Phoenix Wright - 57
Jay Solano - 38
Prince of Persia - 32
Captain Falcon – 27
Midgar Zolom - 24
Raiden – 24
Fox McCloud - 23
Nightmare - 23
CATS - 22
Gordon Freeman - 21

Female-

Lyndis – 45
Samus Aran – 43
Princess Peach Toadstool - 40
Carmen Sandiego – 35
Nidoran F - 34
The Boss – 32
Celes Chere - 31
Princess Zelda – 31
Tifa Lockhart - 29
Sheena Fujibayashi - 25
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/30/2006 6:36:03 PM | message detail
... Yeah, no. He should have used Balthier.

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Slowflake | Posted 7/30/2006 6:36:31 PM | message detail
If it ends up being a 32-32 layout, whoever that was who predicted a GF win on the Daily Grind back in January is in for a world of WROOOOOOOOOONG!!!
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/30/2006 6:39:19 PM | message detail
FFXII will be very controversial, I think. About half the fanbase will love it and the other half will wonder where the hell FF went.

Personally, I really don't think you're going to get a controversial split at all. You have the option to have the battle system go back to you choosing what each character does on their turn and what not. I really doubt you'll have very many people complaining about any of the others, with the sole exception of Vaan who doesn't look like too good a character anyway. The vast majority of people who have played the game, be it critics or fans, have enjoyed it. I wouldn't really expect much of a split.

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DeepHyren12 | Posted 7/30/2006 6:41:49 PM | message detail

Personally, I really don't think you're going to get a controversial split at all. You have the option to have the battle system go back to you choosing what each character does on their turn and what not. I really doubt you'll have very many people complaining about any of the others, with the sole exception of Vaan who doesn't look like too good a character anyway. The vast majority of people who have played the game, be it critics or fans, have enjoyed it. I wouldn't really expect much of a split.


The real question is, after as universally panned as the demo was, will they even give the game the time of day? I'm in the minority, as I lvoed the demo and am eagerly looking forward to the game, but I still think there's gonna be something of a split.

Then again, I hope you're right.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/30/2006 6:42:22 PM | message detail
FF12 will likely be the next FF8 in terms of splitting the fanbase. Most critics loved both, but the fanbase is split regardless.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/30/2006 6:46:31 PM | message detail
I think the people who primarily complain about gameplay will be quite pleased with FFXII. FFXII's cast of characters definitely looks better overall than FFVIII's, where Squall was really the only notable one, I think. Most people on GameFAQs, at least, should really take to the game.

But like I said early, I'm only expecting two, maybe three, characters to be pretty strong. Still, that's two new strong characters not from FFVII!!

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/30/2006 6:53:07 PM | message detail
lol finalfantasyfaqs

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/30/2006 6:55:40 PM | message detail
TRIPLE F FAQS!
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Slowflake | Posted 7/30/2006 6:56:35 PM | message detail
Damn that Triple F! Always holding worthy contenders down! Why does he has to sleep with CJayC? WHY?!?
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/30/2006 6:57:28 PM | message detail
Vaan goes that way.

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Master Moltar | Posted 7/30/2006 6:58:26 PM | message detail
Hay guyz, think this is front-page material?

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/3453/gfaqslozffcopynf9.png
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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/30/2006 6:58:37 PM | message detail
Haters like you are always using that excuse, Slow. Remember that Triple F won his first title while still boning the man-chinned Bethany M.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/30/2006 7:00:01 PM | message detail
FFXII will be to FFX as FFVI was to FFIV. >_>

Oddly, that's one of the only scenarios I can think of in which a later game from the same series on the same console is actually more popular than the earlier one. Others include KH2, Sonic 2, and maybe DKC2...and that's it? How odd.

From what I've been told, the characters themselves are not very important, sort of like FFT (considering it's made by the same guy, not surprising). More story driven than character driven.

But it's also from the guy who did Vagrant Story, and that's one of the most character-driven games out there.

And that pic is very nice, Moltar.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2006 7:02:10 PM | message detail
Tetra and Kefka = WIN, Moltar

And FFXII being to FFX as FFVI is to FFIV is just fine with me. Yeah, it might be ensemble, but the strongest character from FFVI is *still* stronger than the strongest from FFIV. And looking at how strong FFX's characters are, that only speaks good for FFXII.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/30/2006 7:05:23 PM | message detail
But it's also from the guy who did Vagrant Story, and that's one of the most character-driven games out there.

I'm just saying what I've been told by somebody who's already played FFXII.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/30/2006 7:07:11 PM | message detail
Oddly, that's one of the only scenarios I can think of in which a later game from the same series on the same console is actually more popular than the earlier one. Others include KH2, Sonic 2, and maybe DKC2...and that's it? How odd.

I thought of another one, and it starts with Super Mario Bros. 3.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/30/2006 7:09:43 PM | message detail
That picture is awesome. The only two things that could maybe be improved are the Zelda picture and perhaps the Top left corner of the Zelda side. With Zelda, I'm just not a fan of the cartoon artwork, but then again, if melee picks are ineligible for Zelda (I was sort of worried about that, too for Sheik), she does look fairly awful in Ocarina that I wouldn't switch to that. And I'm just having difficulty making out the top left picture, that's probably just me, who's it of?
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/30/2006 7:11:45 PM | message detail
I was just about to say the same thing: Ganon needs a better eye-shot, but otherwise that is excellent.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2006 7:12:38 PM | message detail
Moltar's Picture Identification

From the top, Counter-Clockwise:

Ganondorf
Sheik
Zelda
Tetra
Majora's Mask

Kefka
Squall
Tifa
Rikku (?)
Sephiroth

Center: Link and Cloud, LOLZ
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/30/2006 7:12:42 PM | message detail
And I'm just having difficulty making out the top left picture, that's probably just me, who's it of?

Wind Waker Ganondorf (my favorite Ganon style)

And the Zelda pick is official LttP artwork.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/30/2006 7:13:41 PM | message detail
I think CJayC has developed a loathing for eye shots after they were so overused last year...
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2006 7:14:04 PM | message detail
Yeah, I was gonna mention that...EYE SHOTS EVERYWHERE
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/30/2006 7:16:51 PM | message detail
Eh, eye shots are the easiest way to get more characters involved.

Hopefully he can make one exception, then I'll never do it again.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/30/2006 7:18:08 PM | message detail
Try butt shots, lol.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/30/2006 7:19:45 PM | message detail
I'm getting the feeling that yo is an ass man at heart.

Which is a little disturbing considering his fixation on Ariel, of all people... ;D
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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/30/2006 7:23:55 PM | message detail
Yes, I'm an ass man. Also, I've NEVER claimed to making any sense.
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