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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 332

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Phediuk | Posted 7/28/2006 6:06:37 PM | message detail
*COMPARISONS GAME- (1) Final Fantasy vs. (2) Resident Evil*

Sales

It's FF.

Advantage: Final Fantasy

Hype

Final Fantasy:

It's FF.

Resident Evil:

It's FF.

Number of Games

Final Fantasy:

Main series-

Final Fantasy (NES, 1990)
Final Fantasy II (NES, 1988)
Final Fantasy III (NES, 1990)
Final Fantasy IV (SNES, 1991)
Final Fantasy V (SNES, 1992)
Final Fantasy VI (SNES, 1994)
Final Fantasy VII (PSX, 1997)
Final Fantasy VIII (PSX, 1999)
Final Fantasy IX (PSX, 2000)
Final Fantasy X (PS2, 2001)
Final Fantasy XI (PS2, 2004)

Spinoffs/ports-

Final Fantasy (MSX, 1989)
Final Fantasy IV Easytype (SNES, 1991)
Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest (SNES, 1992)
Final Fantasy I&II (NES, 1994)
Final Fantasy IV (PSX, 1997)
Final Fantasy VII International (PSX, 1997)
Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon (PSX, 1997)
Final Fantasy Tactics (PSX, 1998)
Final Fantasy VII (PC, 1998)
Final Fantasy V (PSX, 1998)
Chocobo Racing (PSX, 1999)
Final Fantasy VI (PSX, 1999)
Final Fantasy Collection (PSX, 1999)
Final Fantasy Anthology (PSX, 1999)
Chocobo's Mysterious Dungeon (WS, 1999)
Chocobo's Dungeon 2 (PSX, 1999)
Chocobo Stallion (PSX, 1999)
Dice de Chocobo (PSX, 1999)
Dice de Chocobo (WSC, 1999)
Chocobo Collection (PSX, 1999)
Hatakaru Chocobo (WS, 2000)
Final Fantasy VIII (PC, 2000)
Final Fantasy (WSC, 2000)
Final Fantasy Chronicles (PSX, 2001)
Final Fantasy II (WSC, 2001)
Chocobo Land: A Game of Dice (GBA, 2002)
Final Fantasy X International (PS2, 2002)
Final Fantasy Anthology (PSX, 2002)
Final Fantasy IV (WSC, 2002)
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (GBA, 2003)
Final Fantasy XI (PC, 2003)
Final Fantasy XI: Rise of the Zilart (PS2, 2003)
Final Fantasy XI: Rise of the Zilart (PC, 2003)
Final Fantasy Origins (PSX, 2003)
Final Fantasy X-2 (PS2, 2003)
Final Fantasy XI: Chains of Promathia (PS2, 2004)
Final Fantasy XI: Chains of Promathia (PC, 2004)
Final Fantasy I&II: Dawn of Souls (GBA, 2004)
Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII (Mobile, 2004)
Final Fantasy i (Mobile, 2004)
Final Fantasy EZ (Mobile, 2004)
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles (GC, 2004)
Final Fantasy IV Advance (GBA, 2005)
Final Fantasy II (Mobile, 2005)
Final Fantasy XI: Treasures of Aht Urhgan (PS2, 2006)
Final Fantasy XI: Treasures of Aht Urhgan (PC, 2006)
Final Fantasy XI (Xbox 360, 2006)

Total- 58
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Phediuk | Posted 7/28/2006 6:06:55 PM | message detail
Resident Evil:

Main series-

Resident Evil (PSX, 1996)
Resident Evil 2 (PSX, 1998)
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis (PSX, 1999)
Resident Evil Code: Veronica (DC, 2000)
Resident Evil (GC, 2002)
Resident Evil Zero (GC, 2002)
Resident Evil 4 (GC, 2005)

Spinoffs/ports-

Resident Evil (Saturn, 1997)
Resident Evil (PC, 1997)
Resident Evil: Director's Cut (PSX, 1997)
Resident Evil 2: Dual Shock Version (PSX, 1998)
Resident Evil: Director's Cut Dual Shock Version (PSX, 1998)
Resident Evil 2 (Game.com, 1998)
Resident Evil 2 (PC, 1999)
Resident Evil 2 (N64, 1999)
Resident Evil 2 (DC, 2000)
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis (DC, 2000)
Resident Evil: Survivor (PSX, 2000)
Resident Evil Survivor 2 - Code: Veronica (PS2, 2001)
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis (PC, 2001)
Resident Evil Code: Veronica X (PS2, 2001)
Resident Evil: Survivor (PC, 2002)
Resident Evil Gaiden (GBC, 2002)
Resident Evil: Dead Aim (PS2, 2003)
Resident Evil 2 (GC, 2003)
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis (GC, 2003)
Resident Evil Code: Veronica X (GC, 2003)
Pure Evil 2-Pack (GC, 2004)
Resident Evil (Mobile, 2004)
Resident Evil Outbreak (PS2, 2004)
Resident Evil Outbreak File #2 (PS2, 2005)
Resident Evil 4 (PS2, 2005)
Resident Evil: Deadly Silence (DS, 2006)
Resident Evil: The Missions (Mobile, 2006)

Total- 34

Advantage: Final Fantasy

GameFAQs Status

Number of FAQs:

Final Fantasy:

Final Fantasy- 33
Final Fantasy II- 9
Final Fantasy III- 17
Final Fantasy IV- 22
Final Fantasy V- 41
Final Fantasy VI- 55
Final Fantasy VII- 74
Final Fantasy VIII- 85
Final Fantasy IX- 90
Final Fantasy X- 102
Final Fantasy XI- 60
Total- 588

Resident Evil:

Resident Evil- 21
Resident Evil 2- 45
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis- 39
Resident Evil Code: Veronica- 26
Resident Evil (GC)- 45
Resident Evil Zero- 31
Resident Evil 4- 46
Total- 243

Advantage: Final Fantasy
Phediuk | Posted 7/28/2006 6:07:39 PM | message detail
Average review score/Number of reviews:

Final Fantasy:

Final Fantasy- 8.48 (50)
Final Fantasy II- 5.79 (33)
Final Fantasy III- 8.71 (28)
Final Fantasy IV- 9.00 (29)
Final Fantasy V- 9.21 (42)
Final Fantasy VI- 9.22 (58)
Final Fantasy VII- 8.93 (94)
Final Fantasy VIII- 8.09 (81)
Final Fantasy IX- 8.45 (75)
Final Fantasy X- 8.86 (118)
Final Fantasy XI- 8.26 (31)
Series average- 8.45 (639)

Resident Evil:

Resident Evil- 8.55 (33)
Resident Evil 2- 8.80 (40)
Resident Evil 3: Nemesis- 8.80 (40)
Resident Evil Code: Veronica- 8.95 (39)
Resident Evil (GC)- 9.06 (66)
Resident Evil Zero- 8.47 (6)
Resident Evil 4- 9.44 (106)
Series average- 8.87 (330)

Advantage: Resident Evil/Final Fantasy

Board activity:

It's FF.

Advantage: Final Fantasy

Board Odds Project

Match prediction:

Final Fantasy- 132
Resident Evil- 0

It's FF.

Advantage: Final Fantasy

Point value:

Final Fantasy- 3564
Resident Evil- 350

It's FF.

Advantage: Final Fantasy

Previous contest representation

Final Fantasy:

SC2002-

Sephiroth (2nd)
Cloud (8th)
Tidus (11th)
Aeris (12th)
Squall (20th)

SC2003-

Cloud (1st)
Sephiroth (3rd)
Tidus (13th)
Aeris (15th)
Squall (16th)
Auron (20th)
Yuna (34th)
Ramza (38th)
Kefka (52nd)

Sp2004-

Final Fantasy VII (1st)
Final Fantasy VI (6th)
Final Fantasy X (11th)
Final Fantasy (19th)
Final Fantasy Tactics (22nd)
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (26th)

SC2004-

Cloud (2nd)
Sephiroth (3rd)
Auron (12th)
Vivi (18th)
Squall (19th)
Tidus (20th)
Kefka (35th)

Sp2005-

Sephiroth (1st)
Kefka (7th)
Sin (18th)
Ultros (20th)
Kuja (28th)

SC2005-

Cloud (2nd)
Sephiroth (3rd)
Vincent (10th)
Squall (11th)
Tifa (15th)
Tidus (24th)
Vivi (27th)
Rikku (28th)
Auron (29th)
Kefka (38th)
Yuna (39th)
Terra (47th)
Zidane (49th)
Cecil (52nd)

Top 100-

Final Fantasy VII (#1)
Final Fantasy VI (#10)
Final Fantasy X (#12)
Final Fantasy VIII (#17)
Final Fantasy Tactics (#19)
Final Fantasy IX (#42)
Final Fantasy IV (#50)
Final Fantasy (#76)
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance (#89)

Resident Evil:

SC2002-

Claire Redfield (13th)
Jill Valentine (16th)

SC2003-

Jill Valentine (28th)

Sp2004-

Resident Evil (43rd)

SC2004-

Jill Valentine (29th)

Sp2005-

Nemesis (9th)
Wesker (25th)

SC2005-

Leon Kennedy (26th)
Wesker (56th)

Top 100-

Resident Evil 4 (#14)
Resident Evil (#53)

Advantage: Final Fantasy

Intangibles

It's FF.

Advantage: Final Fantasy

Conclusion

It's FF. 77%.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/28/2006 6:10:13 PM | message detail
Ultima Division: Round 3 - Match 28 – (1)Final Fantasy vs. (2)Resident Evil

Moltar’s Analysis

Final Fantasy - If we’re talking in power, FF is more scary than ANY horror game.
Round 1 – 85.98% vs. Diablo (14.02%)
Round 2 – 74.19% vs. Mega Man (25.81%)

Mega Man is able to avoid the tripling from FF.

Resident Evil - I’d like to order one Jill Sandwich, please.
Round 1 – 87.76% vs. Shadow Hearts (12.24%)
Round 2 – 50.73% vs. Street Fighter (49.27%)

In the closest match of Round 2, RE squeaks by SF.

The final match of Round 3…what a boring round this was. You know what, this one is going to be another blow out too! Not because it’s Final Fantasy, but because of SFF!

No, not that SFF were two characters from the same company share a fanbase and the majority sides with the stronger character. But the weird kind were two seemingly un-related series share just one thing in common and something weird happens so we just label it SFF! A good example of this is how Metal Gear flops every time it faces something FF7 related. One could say that since FF7 and MGS were two popular Playstation games and share a similar fanbase, Sony fans will side with the stronger game. In this case, FF7.

Now, we haven’t seen FF directly own something RE-related, but Resident Evil got slaughtered in 2004 by MGS, which went on to get slaughtered by FF7. So does logic apply here? Who knows…Then again, RE2 and RE4 are stronger than the original RE anyway, so maybe it was just very weak.

Anyway, I would already say Mega Man is stronger than Resident Evil, so RE is getting tripled. Now add in some fishysticks and FF wins with around 80%.

I now demand everyone take 5 seconds to laugh at Shadow Hearts.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Final Fantasy will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: Final Fantasy: 79% - Resident Evil: 21%



Ulti’s Analysis

Blowout expected, and a blowout we shall have. The question is whether RE beats MM's score on FF or not, though I doubt it does. I'm fairly sure MM is the favorite Capcom series on GameFAQs, though that was before Resident Evil 4...

Prediction: FF with 75.01%



Soul’s Analysis

FF defeated Mega Man with 74.19%
Resident Evil defeated Street Fighter with 50.73%


WHAT A SLAWBERKNOCKER!

Let's see where we lie here. Final Fantasy killed Mega Man, while Resident Evil struggled against Street Fighter. On the Capcom totem pole, Mega Man is stronger then Resident Evil, which is stronger then Street Fighter. So basically, the result of this match will be Final Fantasy winning with more then 74.19%. How much stronger is Mega Man compared to Resident Evil?

Mega Man got 64% on Leon Kennedy, proving that RE4 has some strength on this site. Other then RE4, the only other RE game that has some popularity is RE2, but it's all overshadowed by RE4. So if Leon can only get 64% on Mega Man, I'm thinking Final Fantasy is about to get another blowout here. My x-stats calculations are entirely off, so best estimates...

My prediction: Final Fantasy wins with 83.01% of the vote.



Mnm’s Analysis

Battle Music: The Dark Messenger (FFIX)

For some reason, I could care less about this matchup. We all know that Final Fantasy is going to destroy Resident Evil. The question is by how much. In the games contest, there is good indication that RE may have been SFF'd by MGS, which in turn was SFF'd by FFVII. Now RE directly faces the FF juggernaut, except this time with a tad of the Nintendo fanbase supporting it with the huge success of RE4. It won't matter though. FF has its eyes on Mario Bros. and Zelda, and RE is just a blip on the radar. 20% = success for Resident Evil.

Bracket: FF
Vote: FF
Prediction: Final Fantasy with 79%
Master Moltar | Posted 7/28/2006 6:10:58 PM | message detail
Leon’s Analysis

While Final Fantasy didn’t quite triple Mega Man, it still found a way to impress, somehow breaking 100,000 individual votes yet again and pulling in the second highest vote total these contests have ever seen. 135,000 votes in a blowout? Final Fantasy is proving that it is THE vote-drawing power in this contest. While the Legend of Zelda is pulling in higher percentages (though this has been expected for various reasons), Final Fantasy has consistently been pulling in more overall votes. Either way, the final match is shaping up to be loaded, and while I think Final Fantasy is still the favorite, the Legend of Zelda still has the potential to surprise.

However, the only thing we’re really going to find out in this particular match is the Capcom pecking order. We’ve already discovered that Resident Evil is slightly favored over Street Fighter (though people would argue that the only reason Street Fighter got so close was because of the extremely unbalanced picture), but how do they compare to Mega Man? To be quite honest, I can’t see either one surpassing the Blue Bomber, and definitely not BOTH of them (which is basically what would have to be the case if Resident Evil outdoes Mega Man), but yet somehow, it wouldn’t be a total shock. Some people are also calling for some measure of “SFF” by Final Fantasy against Resident Evil, though I’m not so sure about that one. It has shown itself to be capable of overperforming on series primarily featured on the Playstation, so once again, it wouldn’t be a total surprise.

Really though, the fun thing to see about this match is how low can Shadow Hearts go in the stats! If Final Fantasy manages a quadrupling or better, Yuri and company will register at less than 5% in the stats! How exciting! With that, Shadow Hearts will now create a triumvirate of suck, joining Tanner and Adventure for a combined force that couldn’t even defeat Mr. Driller! Now go for that quadrupling, Final Fantasy! Tranny’s indie cred is riding on this one!

Leonhart’s Prediction: Final Fantasy with 80.08%



Yoblazer’s Analysis

Final Fantasy showed us it was vulnerable against Mega Man, but it will be back in cyborg-like form tonight. Actually, you know somethin'? I think that Zelda assumes the role of "cyborg" better than any other series. It seems to destroy everything in its path without thought, emotion, or mercy. It's simply executing protocol. Final Fantasy, on the other hand, is the "great warrior." Like any human, it is subject to flashes of its own mortality (Mega Man) but its great victories are truly out of this world (Diablo).

...Anyway, despite REMake, RE0, and RE4, we all know a majority of Resident Evil fans are Playstation fans. We also know that Final Fantasy dominates all things Playstation with an iron fist, and after watching what Metal Gear Solid did to Resident Evil two years ago before getting destroyed itself, no one should expect anything impressive from Capcom's series. Bottom line - ugly match.

Final Fantasy
+ Strongest game on this site
+ Several other very popular games
+ Spans several consoles and eras
+ It's the backbone of GameFAQs
+ Credibility up the wazoo
- Nothing

Resident Evil
+ Incredible first round performance
+ Good history and credibility
+ Hugely popular game was released just last year
+ Whored out like a mother
+ Established a genre
- Its Playstation fanbase will abandon it in great numbers
- It's going to get killed

My prediction: Final Fantasy def. Resident Evil (81-19)
Master Moltar | Posted 7/28/2006 6:11:18 PM | message detail
HM’s Analysis

Final Fantasy
Previous Matches :

Final Fantasy – 85.98% -- 107,648
Diablo – 17,560

Final Fantasy – 74.19% -- 100,574
Mega Man – 25.81% -- 34,988


Resident Evil
Previous Matches :

Resident Evil – 87.76% -- 97,696
Shadow Hearts – 12.24% -- 13,627

Street Fighter – 49.27% -- 60,308
Resident Evil – 50.73% -- 62,087

Surprisingly, Resident Evil barely managed to scrap by in the last round against Street Fighter. On the other hand, Final Fantasy put up a rather expected performance that did sway its chances of winning one way or the other. This match should not be a good gauge of anything either given the fact that it could potentially result in some SFF being at play here. Still, you have to figure it will need to perform well in the wake of Zelda’s continued dominance in this contest.

Last round, Final Fantasy started out rather weird by not even doubling Mega Man at the first five minutes of the poll. This led many to speculate that the home of the Blue Bomber had basically snatched up the spot as the fourth strongest series in the contest. But, to surprise too many, Final Fantasy went on a rampage and went from not even doubling to nearly tripling by the end of the match. Final Fantasy’s mid-70s performance puts it right where it needs to be to continue to look good at snatching up the championship.

Resident Evil, however, put on a rather poor performance going by expectations. Those of us who sided with the survival horror series overshot just how strong Resident Evil would be or undershot just how strong Street Fighter would be. I, myself, went with a solid 54% for Resident Evil, which wasn’t too far from the final percentage. Still, Street Fighter definitely impressed by nearly getting the upset that a couple of others were hoping for. Regardless of its performance, it stands no chance against the beast in this round.

Ultimately, this match is going to be a complete blowout. It will be interesting to see if there is any type of SFF in this match-up. If it exceeds 80%, I’m almost convinced there would be, but if Resident Evil can hold strong and keep this in between 75% - 79%, I’d be genuinely impressed by its performance. That said, I cannot imagine Final Fantasy failing to break 80% here, even if it’s only by a little.

Aitch Emm’s Bracket : Final Fantasy

Aitch Emm’s Prediction : Final Fantasy – 80.15% ; Resident Evil – 19.85%

Aitch Emm’s Vote : Final Fantasy
Master Moltar | Posted 7/28/2006 6:12:00 PM | message detail
HaRRich’s Analysis

Predicted winner: Final Fantasy
Earlier this contest:
---FF - 85.98% on Diablo, 74.19% on Mega Man
---RE - 87.76% on Shadow Hearts, 50.73% on Street Fighter
Top 100 List comparison:
---FF7 - #1, FF3/6 - #10, FFX - #12, FF8 - #17, FFT - #19, FF9 - #42, FF2/4 - #50, FF - #76, FFTA - #89
---RE4 - #14, RE - #53 (RE Code: Veronica was on the drop-down list yet didn't make the Top 100 List)
Best Game Ever x-stat comparison:
---FF7 - 50% (Best. Game. Ever. champion), FF3/6 - 39.4%, FFX - 36.86%, FF - 32.24%, FFT - 28.69% (was behind FF7/MGS), FFTA - 24.27% (SFF'd by FFX)
---RE - 16.86% (was behind FF7/MGS)

http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=523
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1454
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=2447

It's a given that Resident Evil is going to lose, and RE4 is the only thing that could possibly help RE match Mega Man's performance against Final Fantasy...but seeing how it did against Street Fighter and I can't see MM >= SF, I'm not counting on it. I'd also be cautious about FF maybe even SFF'ing RE -- if FF7 SFF'd MGS after MGS SFF'd RE and if that chain held true so that FF7 could SFF RE, then alot of the RE series would be up for SFF against FF...but that's probably ignorable unless we see this become an 85-15 match.

Final Fantasy wins with 77.12%



Lopen’s Analysis

Final Fantasy smashes things, it smashes em good.

Lopen's Prediction: Final Fantasy with 82.61%.



Not enough? Want to read more of my great writing? Fine… I'll just say that Street Fighter would do better here. Yeah, PS SFF will help to crush the enemy. Not to a Metroid-like pulp, mind you, because the big gun RE4's pretty isolated from the evil Final Fantasy dominion, so it'll be spared. There aren't any Gamecube FF titles, right? Oh, no… FINAL FANTASY CRYSTAL CHRONICLES!? WHY!??????

Lopen's Prediction:(hey, it's the same!) Final Fantasy with 82.61%.



Comments: Ok, we were wrong today, but THIS will be a blowout.
Master Moltar | Posted 7/28/2006 6:12:56 PM | message detail
Wow, I meant to post this in the main Crew topic window, but oh well.
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Moltar Status: Wanting you to Nominate Shadow the Hedgehog!
Super Mario Bros. vs. Super Smash Bros. - Bracket: SMB - Vote: SSB (38/40)
LeonhartForever | Posted 7/28/2006 6:13:56 PM | message detail
*shakes fist at HM*
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
LeonhartForever | Posted 7/28/2006 6:14:42 PM | message detail
Comments: Ok, we were wrong today, but THIS will be a blowout.

I wasn't wrong. I said that Smash Brothers would avoid the tripling, and it did...

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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
Master Moltar | Posted 7/28/2006 6:22:51 PM | message detail
Last I checked, 74.26% is in "blow-out" range, and I'm not even talking Ulti-style either.
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Moltar Status: Wanting you to Nominate Shadow the Hedgehog!
Super Mario Bros. vs. Super Smash Bros. - Bracket: SMB - Vote: SSB (38/40)
LeonhartForever | Posted 7/28/2006 6:24:20 PM | message detail
This is a blowout, too!

And I never mentioned anything about a blowout. I just said it avoids the tripling!
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
YoAriel33 | Posted 7/28/2006 6:41:51 PM | message detail
Hmm... I might not have the highest prediction, but I do have some room to work. I'll take it.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/28/2006 6:55:47 PM | message detail
38% for Super Smash Brothers now.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
Slowflake | Posted 7/28/2006 6:56:15 PM | message detail
Hmm. There won't be many winners from this division in the Winners and Losers column, I can assure you that.

By the way, I was planning on doing it on Wednesday, the day after the contest ends, but it's not impossible that CJayC might start the prediction period as soon as the final is over, so Tuesday it is. As things stand now, the final's result won't change things too much.

(Of course, I'd rather have a little breather before the prediction period. Put the bracket up, say, on Thursday evening or something.)
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/28/2006 6:57:13 PM | message detail
I'm sure he'll wait a few days after the contest ends. I think once the contest ends, he'll put nominations on the front page for a couple of days.
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/28/2006 6:58:03 PM | message detail
He'll probably have the obligatory "Do you really think FF/Zelda is the greatest series ever?" poll first and then move on.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/28/2006 7:07:53 PM | message detail
It just struck me that if the character bracket follows an 8x8 format, is 32-male, 32-female each with their own half, and ToC-less, the 1-seeds have a good chance at going 12 for 12 for winning divisions this year. Clinkeroth and Mario are foregone conclusions, so is Samus (in fact, I'd love to know how many people nominated her just because they couldn't think of enough worthwhile females)... that leaves us with three divisions. What comes after Samus is obviously the Tifa/Aeris/Zelda trio, and if they monopolize the remaining 1-seeds (which would be a bad idea, why later), I can't see anyone out of these losing.

Now, that would be a terrible idea. Why? Imagine the Sweet 16 under that setup. You've got the 8 aforementioned characters, and 8 others who cannot possibly win. So basically, outside of the first two rounds, the only matches that can generate any excitement are Link/Cloud, and the two Tifa/Aeris/Zelda characters that aren't in Samus' quarter of the bracket. So effectively, the other one would go to waste, like Bowser did in the villain contest.

So my ideal setup for the female half would be Samus with her own division, Peach with her own division right next to it, either Tifa or Aeris with her own division after that, and finally Zelda as a 1-seed with Aeris or Tifa (whoever remains) as a 2. (I'm only suggesting Zelda as a 1 because four FF7 characters as 1-seeds would be, well, ridiculous.)
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2006 7:11:17 PM | message detail
This is why I think Ceej is going to (sadly) bring back the ToC. Making a good bracket under the terms you specified would be hellish
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trannyscience | Posted 7/28/2006 7:12:55 PM | message detail
I noticed that yesterday. you basically have to give Samus a free pass to the semifinals in order to make it halfway interesting, barring something freaky happening. on the boy's side, you've got four noble nines and a bunch of guys hoping to do something. I suppose you could drop Sonic to a 2 or something... but eh, we'll see what he's thinking before speculating too much.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/28/2006 7:13:01 PM | message detail
He better not. I don't think I could keep my interest up if I'm denied the fun of hyping up a 48-pointer. That process has been entertaining as hell this contest, and it's the first time in two years we're having that (you cannot possibly tell me Bowser's and Ganondorf's matches in the villain contest had any meaning).
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Who Cares? | Posted 7/28/2006 7:13:02 PM | message detail
I'd rather see Tifa and Aeris in the same division & having the winner face Zelda, but yeah, I've had the same division setup in mind for a female contest for the longest time.
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Noms: Ken, Nightmare, Sub Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden(MGS), Knuckles, Sora
Chun-Li, Morrigan, Sheena, Cammy, Presea
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2006 7:14:26 PM | message detail
Bowser and Ganondorf's matches in the Villains Contest would have been plenty meaningful if they had been allowed to face each other.

*sigh* WTF, Ceej.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/28/2006 7:16:50 PM | message detail
Bringing the ToC back won't change a thing. Instead of having Clinkeroth and Mario as locks, you're having the other male half of the Noble Nine. And I think a demotion to a 2-seed would be done to the benefit of Master Chief before anyone else. Sure, it's a nice casual trap (just look at his prediction percentage against Crono), but we all know Chief will lose.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/28/2006 7:18:24 PM | message detail
Of course, all these problems could be solved if Ceej went with a 48-16 layout instead. I'm half hoping he's aware of that.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/28/2006 7:18:57 PM | message detail
random question: what's more impressive, 19% on Mario or 14% on Final Fantasy?

..I guess I should have asked "least impressive." eh, whatever.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/28/2006 7:19:20 PM | message detail
Right now, I'm getting the feeling they're about equal.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/28/2006 7:20:09 PM | message detail
hmm.. if they're equal, what does FF get on Mario?
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/28/2006 7:20:11 PM | message detail
After this match...19% on Mario. Resident Evil could get 19% on Final Fantasy, and I'd take it over Warcraft in a heartbeat.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/28/2006 7:21:09 PM | message detail
hmm.. if they're equal, what does FF get on Mario?

63.16%
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2006 7:21:58 PM | message detail
But the thing is, you've got one Noble Niner who's just begging to be upset, and this is the last chance any Non-Noble Niner will ever have to do it. I'll go so far as to say this is the last chance the Noble Nine in its entirety will ever have a chance to be upset, ever. If you've got a 32-entrant male side with no ToC, you're more likely to have Snake run smack dab into Cloud or Link before he hits Vincent or Ganondorf. There are a TON of interesting matchups that just won't materialize in a field like that. Maybe in a 64 field they would, but in a 32 field it simply wouldn't happen.

32 females simply do not deserve to make the contest. Period.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/28/2006 7:23:29 PM | message detail
I'm glad we're drawing the same conclusions.

48 MALES, 16 FEMALES, CJAYC. YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO.

Besides, 16 females would be much more than in any previous contest, ever, right off the bat.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/28/2006 7:26:03 PM | message detail
Bunch of male chauvinists. Anyway, I wouldn't mind CJayC including 32 female entrants as long as he uses nothing but ass shots for their pictures.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/28/2006 7:27:20 PM | message detail
No, we need TJF!
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Slowflake | Posted 7/28/2006 7:28:25 PM | message detail
It's not being a chauvinist. In the 10 strongest characters, there's one female. In the 20 (25?) strongest, there are four.

They're just less popular because they're condemned to support roles is all (Samus aside). Blame the developers, not the voters.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2006 7:28:41 PM | message detail
I refuse to accede to this plan of giving booty pics to all the females, if only because Ms. Pac-Man might make the field. AND NO ONE WANTS THAT
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 7/28/2006 7:28:59 PM | message detail
FF would break 60% on Mario.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2006 7:30:12 PM | message detail
Hey, Lara Croft and Jill Valentine aren't relegated to support roles. Unless...you're talking about that 'other' kind of support! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I SLAY ME
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Blade Of Evils Bane | Posted 7/28/2006 7:31:14 PM | message detail
I don't even think there are 16 females who deserve to make the contest.

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Kratos_42 | Posted 7/28/2006 7:32:23 PM | message detail
FACT OR FICTION: Ninety percent of SSB's votes are directly from people with poor vision misreading SSB's as SMB's. Hell, it happened to my friend.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/28/2006 7:32:57 PM | message detail
I ****ing wish.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/28/2006 7:33:05 PM | message detail
Fiction. Your friend is an anomaly.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/28/2006 7:34:40 PM | message detail
a friend of mine, when voting in Sonic/Smash, said "what a suprise, Mario Brothers is winning."
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Slowflake | Posted 7/28/2006 7:35:07 PM | message detail
Your friend needs glasses.

Actually, that's when something like that happened to me when I was 10 that I realized I needed glasses. I remember, I threw a huge tantrum because I didn't want to wear glasses. I'm thankful I have them, because my myopia is so strong nowadays I can barely make out the colors on the computer screen if I don't have them on.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/28/2006 7:36:59 PM | message detail
And by the way, I'm absolutely astounded by how people are shocked at finding out that the Zolom and NidoranF aren't eligible. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together would figure that out, but nooooooooo.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/28/2006 7:38:04 PM | message detail
Nah, people just like to complain and argue, even when they know they have no chance of "winning."
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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/28/2006 7:39:02 PM | message detail
When (and why/how) did the Nidoran thing start?
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trannyscience | Posted 7/28/2006 7:39:18 PM | message detail
yeah, people in those topics just wanted to argue. I almost posted but then looked at who it was that was arguing. WVI just argues for the sake of arguing.
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Big Bob | Posted 7/28/2006 7:39:18 PM | message detail
This stats topic has slowed to a crawl.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/28/2006 7:39:47 PM | message detail
The funniest thing is, Nidoran's female line is considerably less popular than the male one.

Chauvinism much?
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