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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 7/28/2006 11:16:46 PM | message detail
Score-Brackets-% Right
40-----27------70.3703704
39-----187-----86.0962567
38-----525-----84.7619048
37-----738-----85.9078591
36-----1224----85.5392157
35-----1834----83.0425300
34-----2542----83.1235248
33-----3061----81.4766416
32-----3376----78.1990521
31-----3636----76.0176018
30-----3761----71.4171763
29-----3693----68.1018142
28-----3586----64.0546570
27-----3242----60.3331277
26-----2930----55.3924915
25-----2396----51.2520868
24-----2045----45.2322738
23-----1630----37.9141104
22-----1298----31.5870570
21-----995-----29.4472362
20-----796-----25.7537688
19-----641-----23.5569423
18-----510-----20.0000000
17-----367-----23.9782016
16-----281-----13.1672598
15-----217-----11.9815668
14-----171-----12.8654971
13-----102-----8.8235294
12-----95------10.5263158
11-----75------12.0000000
10-----33-----6.0606061
9------29------3.4482759

Overall prediction percentage: 62.89%
Everybody with a score of 8 or lower got the match wrong.

Ouch, the perfects take a hard hit here for no real good reason. SSB certainly impressed, but it was still a fairly obvious pick. The -1s do realtivly well with a prediction percentage in the mid 80s. There's a small dip at the -2s but after that the prediction percentage decreases as normal.

12 people fell off the top 50 today. Donkey111, LOLdude277, hayato0, o1aznkid, soop92, McMoogle, BuutenksShinhan, LiquidZerox12, Rockin_Steve, cleansedbyfire2, Rezzman and the person who had SSB taking the entire contest and managed to stay perfect for the 26 rounds before it finally lost, NessInEagleland.
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transience | Posted 7/28/2006 11:21:15 PM | message detail
looks like a typical FF match - board antivotes the crap out of it and it goes up and up from there. a match that follows expectations? it almost feels weird to see.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/28/2006 11:28:08 PM | message detail
Nah, it shouldn't. The vote pattern for FF isn't affected by a change in start times, because the behavior pattern of the voters disfavor FF at the start of the match no matter what time it starts.
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/28/2006 11:33:15 PM | message detail
Good showing by RE so far. FF is screwed if LOZ does substantially better against MGS.
LeonhartForever | Posted 7/28/2006 11:34:12 PM | message detail
This is good, huh?
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Squall, Tidus, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Presea, Chun-Li, Tifa, Celes, Quistis, Amy Rose, Mei Ling
Janus5000 | Posted 7/28/2006 11:34:36 PM | message detail
FF is screwed if LoZ does better on MG at all.
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/28/2006 11:35:08 PM | message detail
Seeing so many blowouts of epic proportions, 25% isn't too bad >.< I expect FF to keep going up though, maybe upto 77%.
Draco1214 | Posted 7/28/2006 11:35:26 PM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Zelda struggles to double Metal Gear.
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Janus5000 | Posted 7/28/2006 11:35:41 PM | message detail
STOP PUSHING 75% AND SHOVE IT ALREADY
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Janus5000 | Posted 7/28/2006 11:36:07 PM | message detail
Fiction. Though Zelda won't go higher than 70%.
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LegendarySnake | Posted 7/28/2006 11:36:29 PM | message detail
The fanboy in me wants to say fact, but...I doubt it. If Metal Gear avoids the doubling, I'd say it ends up supplanting SSB for 4th strongest series.
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/28/2006 11:36:30 PM | message detail
Completely fiction. Snake will get tripled, give or take couple of percentages.
Draco1214 | Posted 7/28/2006 11:38:34 PM | message detail
If Metal Gear gets tripled, Zelda is winning the contest.

I also agree with Leon that if Metal Gear avoids the doubling, it'll be the fourth strongest series for sure. Though I wonder just how well MG has to do in order for KH to be equal to SSB.
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LegendarySnake | Posted 7/28/2006 11:39:27 PM | message detail
It'd probably have to match what SSB did against SMB.
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/28/2006 11:41:54 PM | message detail
Zelda is getting 65% on MG at the most. Bank on it.
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LegendarySnake | Posted 7/28/2006 11:42:28 PM | message detail
All this talk of Metal Gear avoiding the doubling is making me lower my Analysis Crew predictions.

STOP THAT!
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/28/2006 11:44:09 PM | message detail
If Zelda only doubles MG, well the match against FF won't even be close. I'd like to think Zelda can break at least 47% on FF.
MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/28/2006 11:49:19 PM | message detail
And to someone who said all of RE came out for PS&PS2, don't forget about RE0. Not as good as the REmake or RE4, but still an excellent game.
LegendarySnake | Posted 7/28/2006 11:50:50 PM | message detail
Aaaaand, there's the tripling proper. That's enough for me. Goodnight.
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Xuxon | Posted 7/28/2006 11:52:29 PM | message detail
If Halo = Mega Man X and there was no SFF in Zelda vs Mega Man X, Zelda gets 73.05% on Metal Gear. I'm seeing that as about the upper bound. It could do a good amount worse on Metal Gear and still beat FF, I think.
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/29/2006 12:04:05 AM | message detail
"If Halo = Mega Man X"

I have a feeling that's not the case. I have a feeling that anyone who loses to Castlevania also loses to MMX. I have a feeling MMX is much closer to CV than Halo.
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Ayvuir | Posted 7/29/2006 2:05:27 AM | message detail
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/29/2006 2:08:47 AM | message detail
It took 2 hours to get a reply and you deleted it!

You suck.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/29/2006 2:09:33 AM | message detail
Metal Gear avoiding the doubling makes me a happy man.

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MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/29/2006 2:10:07 AM | message detail
I thought CV = Civilization for a while there...>.<
Dilated Chemist | Posted 7/29/2006 2:10:35 AM | message detail
FF would be destroying RE even worst if the pic consisted of Cloud, Squall, Auron, and Mog...

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Ayvuir | Posted 7/29/2006 2:10:59 AM | message detail
I realised what i said was stupid...so i deleted it
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Nominate Commander Keen
SpC2k6 Current Points: 42/44
Xuxon | Posted 7/29/2006 2:12:02 AM | message detail
I'm pretty sure Castlevania would beat Mega Man X, and there's a good chance of SFF between Zelda and Mega Man X that would cancel out the difference, anyway.
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Kaxon | Posted 7/29/2006 4:20:31 AM | message detail
I thought Civilization's picture was nice...

Me too. That was one of my favorite pictures of the contest, on both sides.
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Nominate Aeris for SC2k6
jonthomson | Posted 7/29/2006 4:21:28 AM | message detail
Prediction: Final Fantasy with 75.56%

Ooh, could be a VERY nice Oracle score if things stay more or less as they are
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/29/2006 4:22:56 AM | message detail
It likely won't, as RE has a tendency to drop off hard as the day vote begins.
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Kaxon | Posted 7/29/2006 4:38:28 AM | message detail
I noticed that yesterday. you basically have to give Samus a free pass to the semifinals in order to make it halfway interesting, barring something freaky happening.

Yep, I noticed this when I saw NGamer's contest bracket. But since Samus is winning the female side no matter what, I don't really see a problem with putting Zelda, Aeris, and Tifa all in the other half.

But the thing is, you've got one Noble Niner who's just begging to be upset, and this is the last chance any Non-Noble Niner will ever have to do it. I'll go so far as to say this is the last chance the Noble Nine in its entirety will ever have a chance to be upset, ever.

This is just ridiculous. Did Super Mario World make Mario the most popular character "forever", or Kingdom Hearts make Cloud the most popular "forever"? No. Things are always changing.

And why has no one confirmed or denied my concerns about the Aeris matter? What about Advent Children? She was "Aeris" there, right?

Actually, she's Aerith in KH2. I don't think she's ever named in Advent Children.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/29/2006 4:52:40 AM | message detail
But the thing is, you've got one Noble Niner who's just begging to be upset, and this is the last chance any Non-Noble Niner will ever have to do it. I'll go so far as to say this is the last chance the Noble Nine in its entirety will ever have a chance to be upset, ever.

Meh, Mega Man really has nowhere to go but down, at this point. I can see Bowser surpassing him with NSMB, SSBB, and SMG, and Ganon with just TP, or TP and SSBB. Not to mention Squall with KH3, or Vincent with an FFVII remake, or any number of other characters.
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Radix | Posted 7/29/2006 4:55:08 AM | message detail
I'm fairly sure I remember seeing "Aerith" in AC but I can't really remember. It would've been in the cutscenes in the FF7 recap
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/29/2006 4:56:36 AM | message detail
This is just ridiculous. Did Super Mario World make Mario the most popular character "forever", or Kingdom Hearts make Cloud the most popular "forever"? No. Things are always changing.

Bull****. Link's dominance is picture proof that it's going to take a small miracle in and of itself just for him to ever lose again. And that's not even comparable to what I'm talking about. KHF didn't cause Sephiroth to win the contest, but it sure as hell ensured that he won't let Mega Man go 50/50 with him again. And Snake in SSBB will potentially do more for him than we've ever seen any character boost, ever. He won't be losing to the Bowsers and Ganondorfs and Vincents of the world after that.

It's the same reason for wanting us to get to Link/Cloud before TP is released. Sure, he *might* lose after Twilight Princess somewhere down the line...but I really, really ****ing doubt it.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/29/2006 4:58:29 AM | message detail
Mega Man has debateably been the most consistent contest performer ever. There's no reason to expect him to lose in the future, *especially* to Nintendo characters, where he already has the considerable edge.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/29/2006 5:02:27 AM | message detail
Mega Man has debateably been the most consistent contest performer ever. There's no reason to expect him to lose in the future, *especially* to Nintendo characters, where he already has the considerable edge.

Indeed, just like I said, MM isn't getting any stronger. Eventually, other characters will surpass him. Do you really think that Vincent after DoC, AC, and FFVII PS3 will still be weaker than MM?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/29/2006 5:05:22 AM | message detail
I'm not convinced that Vincent will even maintain his strength from last year (bandwagon and/or potential overperformance on Crono, anyone?), and it's still a far cry from Mega Man's strength. And while I do think a FFVII remake will give Cloud the edge he needs to win a contest or two even after Link has had a FFVII remake, it's not going to be THAT big for him, or else *he* would be the contest favorite for years and years to come.

I really hope I'm not still here in the next decade or two to find out, on a personal note.
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_SmurfX_ | Posted 7/29/2006 5:05:35 AM | message detail
Dirge of Cereberus is regarded as being one of the worst games this generation. It will hurt Vincent, isntead of helping him.

As for Megaman, he has dropped considerably. In 2002 he could equal Sephiroth. Nowadays he'd get doubled by him. And Sephiroth has been consistent. So how could you possibly argue that Megaman has been consistent?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/29/2006 5:10:40 AM | message detail
Smurf, you may be the sole reason I don't take Sonic in any kind of upsets. You're my 'reality check'.
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_SmurfX_ | Posted 7/29/2006 5:12:52 AM | message detail
<_<

Megman has fallen a long way. How can that possibly be denied?

He'd get doubled by all of Clinkeroth now. He's no longer a noble 9'er.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/29/2006 5:15:03 AM | message detail
Smurf, let me ask you something. Do you really think people are taking you seriously when you say stuff like 'Sephiroth has been consistent'? You know that's not remotely close to the truth, yet you continue to play dumb.

Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if you were actually anti-Sonic at heart and only acted the way you do to turn people against him. -_-
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_SmurfX_ | Posted 7/29/2006 5:16:40 AM | message detail
Well, looking at the X-stats. Sephiroth has always been pretty consistent.

He gained a little in 2003, got sffed a little in 2004 and was the same again in 2005.

Where's the inconsistency?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/29/2006 5:18:01 AM | message detail
Sephy's gone from losing to Link with 43% in 2k2 to being on par with him in 2k3. That's not 'consistent'. And you know that.
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_SmurfX_ | Posted 7/29/2006 5:19:43 AM | message detail
That's because Link dropped considerably due to WW pics in 2003.
And I accepted that Sephy gained somewhat between 02 and 03. But not hugely.

No character is going to be the same strength every year, but Sephy is the most consistent of the noble 9'ers IMO, and should be the measuring stick.
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_SmurfX_ | Posted 7/29/2006 5:22:15 AM | message detail
The last time Mario bombed against competition he should have blown out, Mario/Crono 2 happened.

That's BS. Mario suprised me that he was able to pull out 55% aganist an opponent like Shadow. I expected Shadow to win that! :(
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/29/2006 5:24:24 AM | message detail
Even if you believe in 'pic factor', it's only so much even in the absolute worst situations (and we're talking pure unrecognizability, i.e. Solid **** and Resicrap Evil). And the X-Stats only matter in Link's loss, which is arguably the most impressive performance of his contest career (over 70,000 votes in a loss?!).

No matter how you slice it, Sephiroth gained IMMENSELY in 2k3. His match with Mario all but confirms it (and let it be known that Mega Man actually outperformed Mario on Sephy).
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_SmurfX_ | Posted 7/29/2006 5:33:29 AM | message detail
Using the x-stats calculator...

--2002--

Sephiroth 56.78% 55,932
Mario 43.22% 42,571
TOTAL VOTES 98,504

--2003--

Sephiroth 61.60% 60,710
Mario 38.40% 37,850
TOTAL VOTES 98,560


Mario suffered a significant drop between 2002 and 2003. He went from beating to Cloud to getting equalled for half the day to Shadow.

So, Seph gained because of KH, yes. But not significantly compared to other gains, Ness or Sora for example. And that was his only fluctuation.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/29/2006 5:35:47 AM | message detail
Here, let me set up the person waiting for the 500th post
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/29/2006 5:37:12 AM | message detail
Ness and Sora didn't have 'gains'. They were SFFed. You might as well say Donkey Kong went from ultra-fodder to a midcarder in the span of a year for no reason at all.

But I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

Just like Mario/Cloud. You know the reasons behind that. But if I bite, and assume that was Cloud's legitimate strength in 2k2, then his gain for 2k3 was absolutely astronomical. Going from being projected to lose to Sonic to doubling him? And he had the same reasons to gain as Sephy.

Either way, you lose.
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