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Slowflake | Posted 7/27/2006 9:22:04 PM | message detail
I gotta give credit to the board vote, there. SSBM is still #1 here.

Wonder how far it'll fall once SSBB comes out? I'm curious.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/27/2006 9:22:05 PM | message detail
From Phediuk Posted 7/28/2006 12:02:24 AM #187
LOL ANALYSIS CREW

I don't even care. My second-favorite series owning me is juuuuust fine.

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/27/2006 9:22:10 PM | message detail
I don't think picking KH to win was stupid per se. Hopeful, maybe, but definitely not stupid. If anyone wanted an upset not called Zelda over FF in the closing stages, this was the way to go.

It's still idiotic and completely unjustified.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/27/2006 9:22:11 PM | message detail
Then again, I'd consider this miraculous as well, so who knows?
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Lopen | Posted 7/27/2006 9:22:12 PM | message detail
Man... I really wanted to hype SMB > FF... I could feel it in my bones... but this is uninspiring.
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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/27/2006 9:22:29 PM | message detail
heh... is SSB doing better than Sonic would?

Does anyone think Sonic wouldn't be getting doubled right now? Smash is seriously scary. It's damn strong in its own right and stands up to SFF like a champ. Take notes, Samus.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/27/2006 9:22:47 PM | message detail
I found it funny that about half the board was calling SSB to break 40%, but everyone on this topic is saying SMB is being exposed.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/27/2006 9:23:18 PM | message detail
From creativename Posted 7/28/2006 12:11:43 AM #225
Looks like the "SSB will avoid SFF" people were right. But it beats the hell out of me how.

I am befuddled.


Simple. SSBM is far and away better than any Mario game, and has aged better than virtually any game ever made.

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creativename | Posted 7/27/2006 9:23:33 PM | message detail
I don't think Kingdom Hearts>MG was stupid at all.

Especially when you consider that to be perfect, you had to pick CV>Halo and KH>CV. And like Slowflake said, if you were looking for an upset that would mean big points, KH>MG was the only feasible one.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/27/2006 9:23:49 PM | message detail
But still...I don't feel AS bad about Sonic getting beaten so easily at this point. It theoretically means that Sonic could do better than Sonic 2 against SMW against SMB before any sort of overperformance.
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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/27/2006 9:23:55 PM | message detail
It's still idiotic and completely unjustified.

I don't know about that. They could have been banking on the impact of one game (Kingdom Hearts II) paying off. Before you dismiss that as idiotic, take a look at what one game is doing right now.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/27/2006 9:24:21 PM | message detail
*looks at Ulti's response*

Okay, can we have an objective opinion now?
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/27/2006 9:24:38 PM | message detail
SSBM is far and away better than any Mario game,

Except for Mario 3 and Mario World.

and has aged better than virtually any game ever made.

Again, except for Mario 3 and Mario World.
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transience | Posted 7/27/2006 9:24:38 PM | message detail
It's still idiotic and completely unjustified.

no, not really. maybe in this stats topic it is with all the MG lovers, but KH had reasons to win that match. it's not "idiotic".
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 7/27/2006 9:24:50 PM | message detail
Simple. SSBM is far and away better than any Mario game, and has aged better than virtually any game ever made.

Truth!

I'm ecstatic regarding what's happening. ^_^
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/27/2006 9:25:02 PM | message detail
And let's wait more than five years before we say a game has aged well, eh?
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creativename | Posted 7/27/2006 9:25:02 PM | message detail
take a look at what one game is doing right now.

<sigh> Not this again.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/27/2006 9:25:03 PM | message detail
I still think FF/SMB will end up closer than MG/KH, so take that as you will. And I would have taken that before KH > MG, too.
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Lopen | Posted 7/27/2006 9:25:30 PM | message detail
Aged? Yeah, Ulti. All of four... five years? Surely you're joking.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/27/2006 9:25:44 PM | message detail
KH over was the fourth most popular upset pick in the BOP, for the record.

Which reminds me, I have a little overhaul of the upset sheet to do.
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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/27/2006 9:26:18 PM | message detail
The hell? Was that a Smash gain? My god, just think what Brawl is gonna do to this series.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/27/2006 9:26:20 PM | message detail
...the hell is this? Go Smash. It has literally every disadvantage against it - not a "series" mentality, match pic (if you believe that sort of thing), obvious fanbase overlap... and it's still managing to make it respectable. I'd be curious to imagine what Smash gets on Final Fantasy and if it manages to outperform Mega Man.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/27/2006 9:26:44 PM | message detail
And let me say that I must now believe that Super Smash Brothers added more than just a small amount of strength to Melee. I really don't think just Melee would be doing this.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/27/2006 9:27:35 PM | message detail
Unless Super Mario Brothers absolutely bombs against Final Fantasy, Super Smash Brothers will almost certainly be stronger than Mega Man.
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BeTheMan | Posted 7/27/2006 9:27:36 PM | message detail
This is just...wow. But then again, Super Mario Sunshine is the only Mario game (main series, of course) released on a console in the last decade, so we've got an entire generation of gamers that should have a stronger attachment to Smash than to Mario...as horrible as that sounds.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/27/2006 9:27:49 PM | message detail
Especially when you consider that to be perfect, you had to pick CV>Halo and KH>CV. And like Slowflake said, if you were looking for an upset that would mean big points, KH>MG was the only feasible one.

As much as I was for KH < Halo, it's not like there weren't any signs pointing to KH being a bad pick... there has been absolutely nothing to ever show that Metal Gear would lose to Kingdom Hearts, especially with all the contest reps we've seen out of the two. And I find taking upsets for the sake of taking upsets completely ridiculous and stupid, so I consider that under "stupid." That sounds awkward and I don't care!

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/27/2006 9:28:32 PM | message detail
so we've got an entire generation of gamers that should have a stronger attachment to Smash than to Mario...as horrible as that sounds.

This is actually very true. If I was voting based on solely N64 era and on, I would actually side with Super Smash Brothers in terms of a vote.
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Phediuk | Posted 7/27/2006 9:28:55 PM | message detail
Gimme a ****ing break. Only about 10 elitist snobs still give a crap about SSB and its overpowered throws.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/27/2006 9:29:44 PM | message detail
Only about 10 elitist snobs still give a crap about SSB and its overpowered throws.

You ARE aware that there are likely many people out there who played the original but not Melee, right?
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/27/2006 9:30:07 PM | message detail
I agree with those who said it's early to tell if its aged well or not, but in some ways I think it has aged awesomely as hell. When I think of games that aged well, I think of aging as in, they're still fun to go back and revisit, ie, they'll still hold up. However, aging in melee's case, aging means...it's just been consistently awesome to play every day since it came out. Like, if people said Perfect Dark ages well, I think they mean they can still play it. With melee, people still are playing it. Granted, it is still comparatively early, but, ssbm is amazing.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/27/2006 9:30:36 PM | message detail
I don't know about that. They could have been banking on the impact of one game (Kingdom Hearts II) paying off. Before you dismiss that as idiotic, take a look at what one game is doing right now.

Do you truly believe that SSBM would be that much weaker without SSB? Sure SSBM probably gives it a healthy boost, but so did KHII to KH (so I think), but it's not like MG hasn't had a new release since we've seen any MG games in action either. Plus you have the whole Snake/Sora fiasco, which I'm not willing to put all on the pic.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/27/2006 9:31:03 PM | message detail
If one just considers this to be the power of SSBM alone (and I don't, despite my vitriol, but for the sake of argument), exactly how powerful are you expecting SSBM to be if we have another Games Contest? Does it beat FFVI? Mario 3? Link to the Past?
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transience | Posted 7/27/2006 9:31:21 PM | message detail
hey EC, you know what was a stupid and idiotic pick? Elder Scrolls over Street Fighter!

seriously, picking KH isn't stupid. I doubt most of the people on the leaderboard sat there for hours thinking about it like we do anyway. they just said "hey, KH2 is huge, click."
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/27/2006 9:31:26 PM | message detail
Melee aged well because there is no sequel. When Brawl comes out Melee may look and play like outdated piece of crap...>.<
MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/27/2006 9:31:30 PM | message detail
hey now, SSB is still a great game!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/27/2006 9:31:33 PM | message detail
From Slowflake Posted 7/28/2006 12:24:21 AM #262
*looks at Ulti's response*

Okay, can we have an objective opinion now?


It is an objective opinion <_<

Actually to be more serious, SSBM has ****ing insane casual appeal and resists all of the "omg Nintendo is kiddy, lawl NintendoFAQs" junk. This could just be rSFF working some magic, because all logic says that SSB should get crushed here.

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Phediuk | Posted 7/27/2006 9:31:48 PM | message detail
You ARE aware that there are likely many people out there who played the original but not Melee, right?

And I'm sure there's plenty of people out there who've played Super Mario Sunshine but not SMB3. Your point?
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/27/2006 9:31:58 PM | message detail
no, not really. maybe in this stats topic it is with all the MG lovers, but KH had reasons to win that match. it's not "idiotic".

I really never heard a single good argument for it. I'm not trying to sound like a pompous ass here either (SO > Pokemon baby!), but there was never any sort of doubt in my mind about this match, nor was a good argument presented for KH.

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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/27/2006 9:32:06 PM | message detail
so we've got an entire generation of gamers that should have a stronger attachment to Smash than to Mario...as horrible as that sounds.

This is actually very true. If I was voting based on solely N64 era and on, I would actually side with Super Smash Brothers in terms of a vote.


True, but you also have gba and the ds, making classic mario readily available. Those games did sell very well, too.
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Cylun | Posted 7/27/2006 9:32:30 PM | message detail
Lol, throws in ssbm are overpowered.

Shiek's Dthrow NTSC, anyone?
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Lopen | Posted 7/27/2006 9:32:41 PM | message detail
There are plenty of games I'll still go and play regularly that are about as old as SSBM... even older. It's hardly impressive, the system it's on is still the current generation system for crissakes!!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/27/2006 9:33:11 PM | message detail
And I'm sure there's plenty of people out there who've played Super Mario Sunshine but not SMB3. Your point?

That's a ridiculous counterpoint in every sense of the word.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/27/2006 9:33:18 PM | message detail
Sheik's downthrow isn't actually 'strong' per-say, it just combos.

he meant overpowered as the knockback.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/27/2006 9:33:43 PM | message detail
From Phediuk Posted 7/28/2006 12:28:55 AM #278
Gimme a ****ing break. Only about 10 elitist snobs still give a crap about SSB and its overpowered throws.

Take a wild guess as to what is far and away the most popular Nintendo 64 game to play online via emulator is. I'll even give you three tries.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/27/2006 9:33:48 PM | message detail
The fact that Mario has been relegated to endless streams of remakes aside from NSMB on the handhelds has pissed me off from day one. At this point, I've almost given up on Nintendo handheld games (shocking, but I prefer their console material far more).
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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/27/2006 9:34:01 PM | message detail
Does it beat FFVI? Mario 3? Link to the Past?

I would have taken it over FFVI and Mario 3 before this match, but LttP is too rich for my blood.
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/27/2006 9:34:31 PM | message detail
I find it hilarious that people keep forgetting how long it took for SSBM to outsell SSB.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/27/2006 9:34:33 PM | message detail
Chrono Trigger/SSBM: Percentages now.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/27/2006 9:34:43 PM | message detail
hey EC, you know what was a stupid and idiotic pick? Elder Scrolls over Street Fighter!

Except I admitted that multiple times and was just too stubborn to change my bracket!

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Janus5000 | Posted 7/27/2006 9:35:27 PM | message detail
CT wins 52.5/47.5.
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