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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/26/2006 8:19:43 PM | message detail
I know KH, HM, and Leonhart disagree, but so be it!

I just said seeing Solid Snake being as popular as his series wouldn't surprise me. I don't disagree.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/26/2006 8:20:58 PM | message detail
The reason why you ask if Knuckles has ever won the board vote is because, except for his match with Squall, the only polls with updaters we have on him feature him against three characters with some of the best board votes: Snake, Magus, and Kefka.

He's won the board vote before.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/26/2006 8:21:34 PM | message detail
Heck, I even said in my MG/KH write-up that Solid Snake IS Metal Gear.
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therealmnm | Posted 7/26/2006 8:21:37 PM | message detail
Just covering my bases since you three are the more vocal MGS fans in this topic!
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trannyscience | Posted 7/26/2006 8:23:00 PM | message detail
yeah, I think MG is a little overrated. I really would be amazed if it breaks 60%.. statistically, that puts FE on par with Halo. I also don't see why MG would SFF KH, it just makes no sense to me. simply put, KH is more popular than Sora while Snake and MGS are about equal. it's like saying that MGS would whip FF10 because Snake would crush Tidus.

I dunno, 55% seems reasonable.. if it goes much beyond that, I'll be impressed.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/26/2006 8:24:03 PM | message detail
As I said in my write-up, I almost expect Metal Gear to start that match with 60% or so. But combine a HORRIBLE day vote against an AWESOME day vote and that percentage will tumble all day long.
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swirIdude | Posted 7/26/2006 8:24:11 PM | message detail
QUICK WITHOUT THINKING: Legend of Zelda's % against Metal Gear?

I say 71.45%
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/26/2006 8:25:04 PM | message detail
There's really no telling with MGS2, because that was part of his intrinsic strength when he started off in 2k2. But I'd say it's immensely important -- it's playability, man. 'Presence' doesn't cut it like playability does, not from where I'm standing, otherwise we'd have a lot more characters with 'presence' up there with their playable counterparts. As it stands, the most powerful NPC is Sephiroth by an insane margin, and he's the exception to the rule.

Imagine if MGS2 was the only MGS game ever made. Snake might still be the most popular character from it (mostly because Snake is so much more likable), but there's no way the difference between Snake and Raiden is immense.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/26/2006 8:25:50 PM | message detail
And for the record, Solid Snake lost about 4.5% against Sora throughout the day. He started that match with almost 70%.
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RockMFR 5 | Posted 7/26/2006 8:27:16 PM | message detail
I'm thinking LOZ can get 75% on Metal Gear.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/26/2006 8:27:23 PM | message detail
I can't understand the reasoning behind Snake SFFing Sora, but MG not SFFing KH. I can't even think of anything comparable to that.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/26/2006 8:27:49 PM | message detail
I'm going to go crazy and say...The Legend of Zelda with 91.50% prediction percentage.

No perfects lost, obviously.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/26/2006 8:29:16 PM | message detail
I can't understand the reasoning behind Snake SFFing Sora, but MG not SFFing KH. I can't even think of anything comparable to that.

How often have we seen two characters from the same game face off and then see their games face off?

Heck, we have two separate instances within the same contest where Zelda destroyed Metroid with SFF and another where it didn't touch it at all with it. Saying "It's done it before!" doesn't really hold water.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/26/2006 8:30:45 PM | message detail
Zelda with 90% of the brackets.
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creativename | Posted 7/26/2006 8:30:50 PM | message detail
I'm smelling a Kingdom Hearts overperformance here. I'd be surprised if it was held under 42%, and I think it has a good shot at 45-46%.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/26/2006 8:31:34 PM | message detail
These aren't games, though, these are series. I'm betting the CD-i Zelda can't do much of anything against most games. We've yet to see a character get SFF on something that one of their respective games could not.
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creativename | Posted 7/26/2006 8:31:45 PM | message detail
I can't understand the reasoning behind Snake SFFing Sora, but MG not SFFing KH. I can't even think of anything comparable to that.

I think the pic was impactful in that match. So more of a "fishy" than fanbase thing.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/26/2006 8:32:49 PM | message detail
If it was the pic, then KH should perform far more respectably today...but I don't think people are going to stop pegging that as SFF no matter what happens.
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steve illumina | Posted 7/26/2006 8:32:58 PM | message detail
Read my nominations column in thread 329 :) And dont forget to nominate Kitana :)
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therealmnm | Posted 7/26/2006 8:33:19 PM | message detail
Imagine if MGS2 was the only MGS game ever made. Snake might still be the most popular character from it (mostly because Snake is so much more likable), but there's no way the difference between Snake and Raiden is immense.

But Snake had already established his popularity from MGS. And it's not like he didn't get a fair share of playtime in MGS2. Sure his part was shorter than Raiden's, but he still gets a fair share of the spotlight. Plenty of Codec time... And it's not like Raiden's actual gameplay time was something that kicks ass. Snake should be fortunate that he didn't have to do all of that stuff! (Fatman, annoying ass Vamp, bombs, etc.) Snake is pimp in that game.
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RockMFR 5 | Posted 7/26/2006 8:35:37 PM | message detail
This match has now surpassed Mario-Crono II.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/26/2006 8:35:58 PM | message detail
I'm not saying MGS2 and MGS3 didn't help Snake and that Snake isn't a big part of them -- he obviously is. But he's not as big as he would be if he were the main playable character. Sora, for his part, is the main playable character of EVERY Kingdom Hearts game. He shares the spotlight a bit in KH2 and a bit more in CoM (and that game's really negligible), but that's it.

Now is Snake more appealing, more iconic than Sora is when compared with his series? Of course he is. But he isn't as big as people give him credit for.
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 7/26/2006 8:37:15 PM | message detail
I'm loving Zelda's performance. =)

92.6% have it right, I'm prediting. 2 perfects dropping.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/26/2006 8:37:43 PM | message detail
And I wouldn't be particularly saddened by Snake being more powerful than Metal Gear, but I know I'm out of the norm. Characters mean more than games to me, and Snake is the most important character of all to me. I'd vote him over any character, any game, any series.
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 7/26/2006 8:39:44 PM | message detail
Can anyone even name 32 popular female characters?
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SonicRaptor | Posted 7/26/2006 8:41:25 PM | message detail
I'm having the feeling there won't be 32 male and 32 female characters, just the top 64 nominations combined from both fields.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/26/2006 8:41:27 PM | message detail
Samus
Aeris
Tifa
Peach
Zelda
Yuna
Rikku
Chun-Li


Uh....


Yeah, I'm spent.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/26/2006 8:42:17 PM | message detail
The best thing about FF/LoZ is that it has the potential to be INSANE. We haven't even been in a match where ralliers and/or "ralliers" have had any incentive to actively campaign for them. This is their raw, untouched strength (unlike Mario/Crono II, which obviously had significant rallying).
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meche313 | Posted 7/26/2006 8:46:00 PM | message detail
I'm having the feeling there won't be 32 male and 32 female characters, just the top 64 nominations combined from both fields.

My thoughts exactly. I mean you don't have to be a regular on this contest to know that a field with 32 female characters will just ruin the fun of a character battle.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/26/2006 8:46:05 PM | message detail
You know, the whole Snake only being the main playable character in only one MGS game is becoming pretty damn overrated... It's not like Snake doesn't have a large presence in that game. He's still by far has the most dominating presence in MGS2, even if you aren't playing as him. It's not like he went AWOL or something. Hell, I've seen many people say they liked Snake more because of his role in that game.

Snake is very cool in Metal Gear Solid 2, but he still wasn't the main playable character that people had gotten attached to in Metal Gear Solid. I would imagine Snake being stronger had he been playable from beginning to end. Kojima has said that Snake is the main character of Metal Gear Solid 2, even if you don't play as him, but I think it would have been better for him contest-wise had he actually been playable throughout. The only time I really even bother making mention of his playability though is in reference to Metal Gear Solid 4. He does have the unquestioned main character role in that game again. From beginning to end, it's all Snake, baby.

Sure, it's a technicality that Snake hasn't been a playable main since MGS, but I seriously doubt it makes that much of a difference in his overall popularity.

I doubt it is anything drastic, but I wouldn't just discredit it completely. I think Snake is a couple of points higher in strength if he were fully playable in MGS2 as opposed to just being there for a couple of hours or so. But I guess I can see what you're trying to say.


... Wait, why are we talking about this again? >>

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/26/2006 8:48:48 PM | message detail
The idea that Snake is so much more to MGS than Sora is to Kingdom Hearts and thus KH will perform a lot better than expected. Personally, I think it's hogwash. If Metal Gear can't impress here I just won't consider Snake/Sora as a SFF match any longer (not that I ever have, but I take the stance for the sake of argument).
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/26/2006 8:48:59 PM | message detail

My thoughts exactly. I mean you don't have to be a regular on this contest to know that a field with 32 female characters will just ruin the fun of a character battle.


Then why did Ceej say the twist will be "readily apparent" when we look at the nominations page. There is obviously a twist, and it obviously has to do with even amounts of male and female characters.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/26/2006 8:50:33 PM | message detail
If Metal Gear can't impress here, I think SSB takes the lead for the "race to fourth strongest." Of course, it has its own advantage because no one is expecting it to do anything against Mario.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/26/2006 8:52:06 PM | message detail
hmm.. Zelda with 91% of the brackets. and MG is going to start out with a big lead - bracket votes + a strong night vote = KH being way behind early. so unless this is like a doubling or more, don't overreact.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/26/2006 8:52:17 PM | message detail
I posted this idea in another topic but I'll repost it here. How about making the tag-team concept like a real tag? Have one character start the match (preferably the weaker one), then the "anchor" will finish the match after 12 hours. This way even the weaker character can't easily be masked by the dominant partner. Thoughts?

At first I thought it might be a pretty cool idea, and we'd see massive and I mean MASSIVE swings, which would be amazingly badass, but people would still know which character is teamed with the other, and vote for them based on that, also, different parts of the day bring in a different amount of voters. Would people be able to vote again after the first 12 hours in the second 12 hours of the match? And so on.... it's a pretty badass idea at first, but it has too many holes to work IMO.

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AmazingKirby | Posted 7/26/2006 8:53:06 PM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts will win with 50.00%!
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/26/2006 8:53:11 PM | message detail
The idea that Snake is so much more to MGS than Sora is to Kingdom Hearts and thus KH will perform a lot better than expected.

... Yeah, that's garbage.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/26/2006 8:54:23 PM | message detail
hmm.. Zelda with 91% of the brackets. and MG is going to start out with a big lead - bracket votes + a strong night vote = KH being way behind early. so unless this is like a doubling or more, don't overreact.

Yeah, Kingdom Hearts still has a shot at winning!
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Tequilla Gundam | Posted 7/26/2006 8:55:43 PM | message detail
It would be awesome if Ceej had a balancing system with the tag idea, but had both characters in the same pic. Seeing Cloud teamed up with Nidoran F ;)
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/26/2006 8:58:28 PM | message detail
That's not the reason WHY Kingdom Hearts will perform better than expected. It's why Metal Gear won't overperform on it. We've already seen Sora be highly susceptible to overperformances anyway.
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BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/26/2006 8:58:45 PM | message detail
Pair the male with the most noms with the female with the least, and work the way down/up the list until you get the male with the least noms and the famale with the most?


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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/26/2006 8:59:01 PM | message detail
You know, the whole Snake only being the main playable character in only one MGS game is becoming pretty damn overrated... It's not like Snake doesn't have a large presence in that game. He's still by far has the most dominating presence in MGS2, even if you aren't playing as him. It's not like he went AWOL or something. Hell, I've seen many people say they liked Snake more because of his role in that game.

Sure, it's a technicality that Snake hasn't been a playable main since MGS, but I seriously doubt it makes that much of a difference in his overall popularity. His "presence" in MGS2 and MGS3 (yes I count that too dammit) has been more than enough to sustain his popularity. I know KH, HM, and Leonhart disagree, but so be it!


Agree'd. People also always want to say Solid Snake wasn't in MGS3, thus he didn't get anything from it, yet Big Boss is a steaming pile of **** in these contests. To the average MGS player, do you really think that they knew that was Big Boss? I know I don't, if I wasn't hardcore into MGS and didn't know the story that well, I'd just assume it was Snake, despite how obvious it is that it wasn't. I'm not saying no one knew, but to a large portion of gamefaqs, I really don't think there is a difference in their mind. Also, before I get hung by my testicles, Snake > Link after Brawl, m i rite?

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/26/2006 8:59:12 PM | message detail
Frankly, Metal Gear not overperforming on it is 'better than expected', in my eyes.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/26/2006 8:59:14 PM | message detail
Metal Gear will double here!!

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Master Moltar | Posted 7/26/2006 9:00:16 PM | message detail
Metal Gear 75% 15
Castlevania 25% 5
TOTAL VOTES 20

The hell?
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cyko | Posted 7/26/2006 9:00:21 PM | message detail
ok, so Zelda has 92% of the brackets, no perfects fall, and Metal Gear wins tomorrow with about 57%.

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Janus5000 | Posted 7/26/2006 9:00:27 PM | message detail
Metal Gear 66.1% 39
Castlevania 33.9% 20
TOTAL VOTES 59

...The Plan.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/26/2006 9:00:28 PM | message detail
Metal Gear 76.67% 23
Castlevania 23.33% 7
TOTAL VOTES 30

XMFD
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Vote Accepted
Metal Gear 63.64% 49
Castlevania 36.36% 28
TOTAL VOTES 77

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Master Moltar | Posted 7/26/2006 9:00:37 PM | message detail
89.78%, lol not 90%
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