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Master Moltar | Posted 7/25/2006 10:15:10 PM | message detail
Wow, even I wasn't that crazy!

Ok, well, I did make a topic saying Ganondorf might win...but I consider breaking 40% in both matches moral victory enough!
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Legend of Zelda vs. Metroid - Bracket: LoZ - Vote: Metroid (30/32)
ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/25/2006 10:15:43 PM | message detail
"But their big 4 franchizes right now are Zelda, Mario, SSB, and Metroid."

Mario Kart is a better seller than Metroid by a lot, and it runs even with Brawl. But you also have to consider the second tiers are sometimes set for bonafide hits themselves. Kirby has never pulled in huge numbers (only 1 million seller), but he's still big enough if they put the right team behind him. Star Fox actually did pull in some big ones once upon a time. Donkey Kong has from time to time been an 800lb gorilla (pardon the pun, if you may). Plus, used to be a time when 3 games from a single series in the same generation wasn't all that strange for Mario, not to mention Zelda should get a release on the Wii that's actually meant for the Wii from the start.

There's plenty they can do.
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Janus5000 | Posted 7/25/2006 10:16:02 PM | message detail
Oh, and for the record, SMB had 10546 votes against Madden at this time. Zelda has 13027.

Oh... oh dear.
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transience | Posted 7/25/2006 10:16:13 PM | message detail
what the - I just checked my bracket and apparently, I picked Street Fighter to win this match. uh, oops.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/25/2006 10:16:18 PM | message detail
Check Nintendo's launch/near launch list. Galaxy is nowhere to be found. The creator of SSBB has gone on record saying the game needs a lot of work, I wouldn't bet on SSBB coming out anytime sooner than October 2007, but March/April 2008 is my guess. They still have no idea what to do with the online multiplayer feature.

It took, what, two years to make SSBM from start to finish? The Wii's a lot more similar to the GCN than the GCN was to the N64, so the transition should be even easier. Nobody's aloud to say much about online for the Wii at this point, since Nintendo hasn't revealed much about how to play games online yet.
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Heroic NPC | Posted 7/25/2006 10:16:44 PM | message detail
It's too bad DK all but died with Rare leaving.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/25/2006 10:17:15 PM | message detail
No, I just thought really, really highly of Ganondorf...which is why me giving him no credit now is such a radical change for me. I would have taken Ganondorf over so much in 2k3 and 2k4, I always thought Magus cheated to even crack 40% on him, and I always lamented the fact that Ganondorf had to get stuck with Link so early in these things. The Villains Contest, while not *quite* the dominance I was anticipating from him, was a good thing too.

But after 2k5...urgh. I just realize how lucky I got with that bastard.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/25/2006 10:17:32 PM | message detail
I just checked my bracket and apparently, I picked Street Fighter to win this match. uh, oops.

That IS strange. How do you have Street Fighter beating Zelda AND Metroid, at the same time?
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/25/2006 10:18:05 PM | message detail
Metroid will sell once they go back to the 3rd person view.
transience | Posted 7/25/2006 10:18:27 PM | message detail
...shut up.
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transience | Posted 7/25/2006 10:19:02 PM | message detail
man, if I had a perfect bracket at this point, that would piss me off! I am so stupid.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/25/2006 10:19:20 PM | message detail
Metroid will sell once they go back to the 3rd person view.

Yeah, Metroid Prime being the highest selling Metroid game of all time is a horrible indicator!
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/25/2006 10:19:46 PM | message detail
Heh, I fear my Ganondorf fanboyism may bite me in the ass next contest. I'd take him over everyone but Link, Cloud, Samus, Mario, Sephiroth, and maybe Crono, if he gets TP by the time of his match. Even if he doesn't I'll take him over Snake and anyone outside of the Noble Nine.
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Heroic NPC | Posted 7/25/2006 10:20:02 PM | message detail
I want to see a 2D metroid made for a powerful system like the Wii. Imagine how huge of a world they could fit on a Wii game in 2 dimensions.
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ccbfan | Posted 7/25/2006 10:21:08 PM | message detail
Metroid is no where near Nintendo top 5 list of franchises for sales.

Mario
Zelda
Pokemon
Animal Crossing
Mario Kart
SSB
Mario Party(Yes this is sick but these games sell like crazy)

are all definitely higher than it.


Plus I think the 2 pikmin games outsold the 2 MP games. Heck I think even the two Starfox games outsold the 2 MPs. (MPs don't sell at all in Japan) Then you got all these new DS non-games like Brain -Age. Metroid might not even be top ten. Metroid is unique though in the fact that its the only franchise casual gamers view as "mature".
UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/25/2006 10:21:39 PM | message detail
They still have no idea what to do with the online multiplayer feature.

They need to rip off Warcraft 3's match-making system in its entirety.

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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/25/2006 10:22:15 PM | message detail
"It's too bad DK all but died with Rare leaving."

Just because Nintendo hasn't done much with him since Rare left doesn't mean they won't. they didn't have a Metroid for the N64 generation but they didn't give up on the series altogether. They probably just wanted to let the Bristish smell air out for a few years before making a new console game of their own with him. Or they're looking for good, new 2nd and 3rd parties.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/25/2006 10:23:02 PM | message detail
Heh, I fear my Ganondorf fanboyism may bite me in the ass next contest. I'd take him over everyone but Link, Cloud, Samus, Mario, Sephiroth, and maybe Crono, if he gets TP by the time of his match. Even if he doesn't I'll take him over Snake and anyone outside of the Noble Nine.

And on the opposite side of the spectrum, Ganondorf only has a shot at Snake if he gets TP...and he will never, ever, ever have a shot at Mega Man or Sonic. Not now. Not. Ever. And after 2k7 his window closes on Snake. I'd take Bowser over pre-TP Ganondorf, take Zelda over post-TP Ganondorf, and get a weird measure of satisfaction out of staring at the Link/Ganon result.

Oh, I overestimated Ganon, sure. Didn't mean that I actually liked the guy.
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ccbfan | Posted 7/25/2006 10:23:32 PM | message detail
Yeah, Metroid Prime being the highest selling Metroid game of all time is a horrible indicator!

I think super metroid is the highest selling metroid of all time.
Heroic NPC | Posted 7/25/2006 10:23:45 PM | message detail
I don't doubt that; they did make King of Swing or whatever, but I haven't bothered to check it out. It's just that I doubt anybody will handle it as well as Rare did.
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/25/2006 10:24:05 PM | message detail
Meh, I've heard Prime 2 didn't even break a million copies sold. You don't think a well implemented 3D Metroid in 3rd person view will sell better than the Prime series?
ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/25/2006 10:24:10 PM | message detail
"Yeah, Metroid Prime being the highest selling Metroid game of all time is a horrible indicator!"

Considering it was likely fuled by Samus' appearance in SSB and now people know what to expect, I don't personally believe another 3D Metroid will break a million. At least not for another full generation. the only thing that I think could prove me wrong is if MP3 has an increadible online experience.
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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/25/2006 10:24:11 PM | message detail
I thought it was the original Metroid, since it was the only one to actually sell in Japan.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/25/2006 10:24:18 PM | message detail
Ganondorf over Crono? My my.
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transience | Posted 7/25/2006 10:24:40 PM | message detail
no, Prime wins that category, and rather easily. at least in America.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/25/2006 10:25:38 PM | message detail
I think super metroid is the highest selling metroid of all time.

http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php?name=metroid&console=&publisher=&sort=Total

Arguing against facts = failure. Super Metroid's sales were pretty poor.

The series is definitely more popular than Pikmin though.

http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php?name=pikmin&console=&publisher=&sort=Total
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ccbfan | Posted 7/25/2006 10:27:29 PM | message detail
no, Prime wins that category, and rather easily. at least in America.

It definitely sold the most in the U.S. But for worldwide, I think the old 2d ones did better.
MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/25/2006 10:27:34 PM | message detail
They need to rip off Warcraft 3's match-making system in its entirety.

I don't expect anything remotely close to bnet from Nintendo. They seem content with very DS-like, or probably console adaptation of DS-like interface. They keep stressing simplicity, no record keeping, ya know things like that. I don't have a big problem with that, just get rid of friends codes please!
MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/25/2006 10:29:34 PM | message detail
This is the first time I've heard Prime being the best Metroid seller... WTF? Super Metroid was a pretty big deal when it came out.... I guess I was wrong all these years.
ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/25/2006 10:30:01 PM | message detail
"Yeah, Metroid Prime being the highest selling Metroid game of all time is a horrible indicator!"

Considering it was likely fuled by Samus' appearance in SSB and now people know what to expect, I don't personally believe another 3D Metroid will break a million. At least not for another full generation. the only thing that I think could prove me wrong is if MP3 has an increadible online experience.

"are all definitely higher than it."

Not Mario Party, not anymore. It's been on a steady decline for a long time now and the only one in the current gen to break a million is 4. They are both tier two with the likes of Star Fox and Kirby. And to be honest, I'm tempted to put AC there too but the Japanese really do love it (though WW sold far less than half of the original here in the US) enough that on a worldwide scale it could be counted as bringing up the rear of the Tier 1s (Mario, Pokemon, Zelda, Mario Kart, Super Smash Bros)
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transience | Posted 7/25/2006 10:30:47 PM | message detail
Super Metroid is one of the most overestimated games we have. it's like the game version of Kefka.
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ccbfan | Posted 7/25/2006 10:33:05 PM | message detail
Wow MP2 did pretty bad compared to MP.
UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/25/2006 10:33:08 PM | message detail
I don't expect anything remotely close to bnet from Nintendo. They seem content with very DS-like, or probably console adaptation of DS-like interface. They keep stressing simplicity, no record keeping, ya know things like that. I don't have a big problem with that, just get rid of friends codes please!

Yes, and Nintendo is horrid at multiplayer. This needs fixing.

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Master Moltar | Posted 7/25/2006 10:33:13 PM | message detail
Wow, I didn't know Super Metroid was that weak in the sales.

I wish I would've known that back in 2004....
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Legend of Zelda vs. Metroid - Bracket: LoZ - Vote: Metroid (30/32)
ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/25/2006 10:33:51 PM | message detail
Super Metroid is actually one of the worst sellers in the series. Prime is number 1 and the original is number two, they are seperated by ~40k units and bother were within 300k units of 3 mil worldwide.

From there it goes:
2
Fusion
Super
Echoes

...and nothing else tops a mil, even worldwide.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/25/2006 10:34:25 PM | message detail
I wish I would've known that back in 2004....

You should've known better than to pick Metroid to beat Zelda anyway!

...No, my bracket certainly did not have Metroid Prime beating Wind Waker! What a ludicrous notion!
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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/25/2006 10:34:47 PM | message detail
Mac beat me to it.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/25/2006 10:35:42 PM | message detail
I do wonder if MP2 got hit with DMC3/MGS3 syndrome (a sequel getting poorer sales than a previous game due to the faults of the previous game), but it had a lot more working against it. Less hype, less good reception, bad release timing...I guess we'll see with MP3.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/25/2006 10:35:58 PM | message detail
I had Wind Waker over MP, thank you very much!

But yeah, lol SM > LttP.
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Legend of Zelda vs. Metroid - Bracket: LoZ - Vote: Metroid (30/32)
Heroic NPC | Posted 7/25/2006 10:36:10 PM | message detail
And that also contributes to why I think SSB is an important part of Samus' popularity: Metroid just doesn't sell that well.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/25/2006 10:37:19 PM | message detail
I do wonder if MP2 got hit with DMC3/MGS3 syndrome (a sequel getting poorer sales than a previous game due to the faults of the previous game)

Man, I can just imagine what that'll do for MP3's sales because Echoes is generally considered not to be as good as the original, from what I've heard. Prime 3 will suffer from double disappointment!
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transience | Posted 7/25/2006 10:37:33 PM | message detail
well...

http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php?name=chrono+trigger&console=&publisher=&sort=Total

explain this one.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/25/2006 10:38:26 PM | message detail
Well, DMC games don't have stellar sales, but Dante is plenty strong -- and would likely be up on that tier did he have Samus' history in SSB. You may laugh, but if Dante is in SSB from the beginning I seriously entertain a number of NN upsets, Samus included.

I think Dante and Samus have a little more going for them as characters than their series do.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/25/2006 10:39:33 PM | message detail
Welcome to SquareFAQs, love!
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/25/2006 10:39:43 PM | message detail
explain this one.

How well did FF Chronicles sell? That's how I got to play Chrono Trigger.
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Heroic NPC | Posted 7/25/2006 10:40:11 PM | message detail
Chrono's the type of anomaly that you see with such small sample sizes. If you look at the rest of the noble 9, you'll see that the games generally aren't just popular here, but are pretty much either huge franchises (Mario, Zelda, Metal Gear, Sonic) or a legendary game (Cloud, Seph). I guess you could throw Crono/Chrono Trigger into the "legendary game" category, but (and correct me if I'm wrong) GameFAQs is the only place where it receives such ridiculous praise.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/25/2006 10:41:28 PM | message detail
CT gets praised all over, the longevity and rabidness of its fanbase is like no other. That being said, it's surprising to see such a high concentration of CT fans in one site.
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transience | Posted 7/25/2006 10:41:37 PM | message detail
Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles GC Square
0.37
0.58
0.41
1.36

Japan-America-Europe-Total
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/25/2006 10:42:23 PM | message detail
No, tranny. Final Fantasy Chronicles, silly! Not that GameCube CRYSTAL Chronicles game!

You know, the one with FFIV and CT on it.
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Heroic NPC | Posted 7/25/2006 10:42:58 PM | message detail
Not CC, just FF:Chronicles with FFIV(?) and CT.
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