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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/25/2006 9:58:02 PM | message detail
Summer holidays 2007? I thought it would be early-summer 2007.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/25/2006 9:58:10 PM | message detail
I play SSB:M, and he's my favorite character. Screw tiers.
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Legend of Zelda vs. Metroid - Bracket: LoZ - Vote: Metroid (30/32)
Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/25/2006 9:58:28 PM | message detail
Well, certainly Super Smash Brothers isn't the only reason Samus is Noble Nine, but she'd probably be closer to the bottom of the group than the top without it.

Well, clearly. But then, Link would never have beaten Cloud without it, and Mario would never have beaten Crono without it. It hardly applies to Samus alone.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/25/2006 9:58:45 PM | message detail
I really doubt that Link wouldn't kill that poll eight ways from Sunday. People like to use their favorites in SSB...because, as you said, most people don't care about tiers and the like.

For whatever reason this gives me the image of every SSB player on the planet spamming the spin attack forever and ever and ever.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/25/2006 9:59:05 PM | message detail
er, -summer.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/25/2006 9:59:30 PM | message detail
I don't agree with that. Link and Mario have much more of a legacy outside of SSB than Samus does.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/25/2006 9:59:47 PM | message detail
Summer holidays 2007? I thought it would be early-summer 2007.

Winter Holidays 2007 is more likely. SMG will be out in early 2007, and I can't see Nintendo releasing the two games so close together.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/25/2006 9:59:55 PM | message detail
But then, Link would never have beaten Cloud without it, and Mario would never have beaten Crono without it. It hardly applies to Samus alone.

I wonder...
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Heroic NPC | Posted 7/25/2006 10:00:04 PM | message detail
Well, certainly Super Smash Brothers isn't the only reason Samus is Noble Nine, but she'd probably be closer to the bottom of the group than the top without it.

Yeah, this is what I agree with. Samus gets the majority of her strength from Metroid, of course, but the amount that she gets from SSB is certainly not negligible and would probably be the difference between beating, say, Sonic or Snake and losing to them.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/25/2006 10:00:07 PM | message detail
Well, clearly. But then, Link would never have beaten Cloud without it, and Mario would never have beaten Crono without it. It hardly applies to Samus alone.

Mario and Link don't exactly have anything to fear even if Sonic and Mega Man get into SSB. Samus does.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/25/2006 10:00:48 PM | message detail
I don't agree with that. Link and Mario have much more of a legacy outside of SSB than Samus does.

And your point is...? The difference between them and the characters I mentioned is hardly large.
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/25/2006 10:01:22 PM | message detail
Nintendo just don't shoot their load like that. They are already promising Zelda AND Metroid just for the launch. Mario Galaxy likely around summer 2007. SSBB is their 2008 big hit, they don't have anything else.
Slowflake | Posted 7/25/2006 10:01:52 PM | message detail
My point is, I think Link and Mario would barely be weaker, if at all, if not for SSB. Samus, on the other hand, has much more to lose because she has a lot less to fall back on.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/25/2006 10:01:53 PM | message detail
Well, I think the difference between Link and Mario being in SSB and Samus being in SSB is big. After all, Super Smash Brothers was Samus's ONLY appearance in the N64 generation and likely the first introduction to her for many gamers.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Big Bob | Posted 7/25/2006 10:02:28 PM | message detail
...Perhaps something not announced yet?
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/25/2006 10:02:57 PM | message detail
I meant Christmas 2007.
Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/25/2006 10:03:09 PM | message detail
Mario and Link don't exactly have anything to fear even if Sonic and Mega Man get into SSB. Samus does.

Well, I know I'm in a minority with this opinion, but I think that SSB was a big game in its own right, and adds substantially to the popularity of the series...enough so that Sonic would've beaten SSBM on its own. Mega Man and Sonic being in one SSB game doesn't give them a big advantage over Samus's three.
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transience | Posted 7/25/2006 10:03:24 PM | message detail
I find the board's reaction really interesting - instead of whining, it's "oh poor Metroid". it's like even the huge Metroid fans like Zelda a lot.

as for the Big Three, I still think trying to extrapolate their strength against what is essentially fodder is next to useless. FF would triple Metroid and would probably quad Metal Gear. god knows what it'd do to Kingdom Hearts. trying to extract some meaning from these huge SFF blowouts and triplings is really dangerous. I've felt for a long time that Zelda/FF is a very close match and nothing's changed my mind yet. (though Diablo getting demolished did shake my confidence for a couple of days until Zelda went and did the same thing to MMX)
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ccbfan | Posted 7/25/2006 10:03:36 PM | message detail
Imagine Crono gets into SSBB.

I mean, Nintendo have already said they wanted characters that started on Nintendo systems. (So no Cloud or Seph) Crono is probably the most recognizably Square-Nintendo character. Plus Square could use this as momentum for a new Chrono game.
MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/25/2006 10:04:23 PM | message detail
Yea they could have an ace up their sleeves. But their big 4 franchizes right now are Zelda, Mario, SSB, and Metroid. No way they blow all 4 of them within 6 months and have a huge gap until their next big hit.
LeonhartForever | Posted 7/25/2006 10:04:36 PM | message detail
instead of whining, it's "oh poor Metroid". it's like even the huge Metroid fans like Zelda a lot.

Well, it was expected. Metroid fans are used to it by now.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/25/2006 10:05:00 PM | message detail
"For whatever reason this gives me the image of every SSB player on the planet spamming the spin attack forever and ever and ever."

I have a feeling Samus actually got a bigger boost from SSB than ANY other character simply because her move-set is a SSB-newb's dream come true. She ended up being my favorite character to use in the original and gained a lot of stock with me personally from that appearance.

I believe it's the case with a lot of others, and I have a feeling that while there is no main character for that game most people would, at least for the first instalment of the series, associate it with Samus more than anyone else.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/25/2006 10:05:18 PM | message detail
I mean, Nintendo have already said they wanted characters that started on Nintendo systems

Not started, just appeared. That's why Sora was being considered.

Cloud was in Chain of Memories.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/25/2006 10:05:25 PM | message detail
Nintendo just don't shoot their load like that. They are already promising Zelda AND Metroid just for the launch. Mario Galaxy likely around summer 2007. SSBB is their 2008 big hit, they don't have anything else.

SMG's already been confirmed for late 2k6/early 2k7 (October to April), and SSBB's been confirmed for 2k7. A delay is possible...but both of these have already been delayed several times, so I doubt we'll see too much of one.
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Heroic NPC | Posted 7/25/2006 10:05:55 PM | message detail
Plus Square could use this as momentum for a new Chrono game.

On Wii or DS.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/25/2006 10:06:08 PM | message detail
Holy crap, that was an 87.58% update for Zelda.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/25/2006 10:06:58 PM | message detail
This is like watching a lion eating a puppy.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/25/2006 10:07:00 PM | message detail
Well, with Square re-releasing FFIII-FFVI on Nintendo handhelds, the possibility of a Chrono Trigger port to the GBA or DS might not be a stretch.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
transience | Posted 7/25/2006 10:07:23 PM | message detail
Well, it was expected. Metroid fans are used to it by now.

that didn't stop, say, Dragon Quest fans from going ballistic. or DMC.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/25/2006 10:07:31 PM | message detail
Actually, FFI-FFVI. Forgot about Dawn of Souls.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/25/2006 10:07:59 PM | message detail
They're not used to it. Metroid has been in this "I get killed by Zelda" position before. Not to mention it's a lot harder to whine over Zelda winning.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/25/2006 10:08:05 PM | message detail
that didn't stop, say, Dragon Quest fans from going ballistic. or DMC.

Well, unlike Metroid, there were actually some of those fans expecting them to win.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/25/2006 10:08:14 PM | message detail
ZELDAS GONNA WIN LOL
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/25/2006 10:08:59 PM | message detail
Check Nintendo's launch/near launch list. Galaxy is nowhere to be found. The creator of SSBB has gone on record saying the game needs a lot of work, I wouldn't bet on SSBB coming out anytime sooner than October 2007, but March/April 2008 is my guess. They still have no idea what to do with the online multiplayer feature.
Heroic NPC | Posted 7/25/2006 10:09:08 PM | message detail
Square knew there was a huge market for that sort of thing on GBA. IIRC, the whole reason they made Crystal Chronicles (which was decent IMO) was so that Nintendo would let them make games for GBA.
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ccbfan | Posted 7/25/2006 10:09:24 PM | message detail
DS would be awesome.

I can imagine linking up dual and triple tech properties and directions using the stylist.
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/25/2006 10:09:50 PM | message detail
And let's not forget that this is a SFF match, and that applies to whining as well. That's one of the reasons I don't think Metroid SFFed Kirby -- there was too much whining.

I don't think Metroid can SFF *anything* at this point. Whatever SFF Samus got on Ganondorf was in my book garnered from SSB favoritism.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 7/25/2006 10:10:26 PM | message detail
I find the board's reaction really interesting - instead of whining, it's "oh poor Metroid". it's like even the huge Metroid fans like Zelda a lot.

*looks at the poll*
Wasn't that obvious? =D
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/25/2006 10:10:32 PM | message detail
That's one of the reasons I don't think Metroid SFFed Kirby -- there was too much whining.

Really? Kirby fans were whining? That strikes me as odd.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/25/2006 10:11:02 PM | message detail
superkirbyfan FTW!
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Slowflake | Posted 7/25/2006 10:11:27 PM | message detail
Kirby fans were whining alright.

The only fanbase more silent than Metroid so far has been Shadow Hearts.

Dear God, don't tell me I just compared Metroid to Shadow Hearts. *vomits*
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transience | Posted 7/25/2006 10:11:52 PM | message detail
I just remembered that you almost took Ganondorf over Samus -- man, you must really hate Metroid or just think it's worth absolutely nothing.
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MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/25/2006 10:11:55 PM | message detail
Hows total votes looking so far compared to FF/MM?
LeonhartForever | Posted 7/25/2006 10:12:12 PM | message detail
And the strange thing was, Yuri fans were whining when Samus beat him!

Okay, maybe it was just KB.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
transience | Posted 7/25/2006 10:12:50 PM | message detail
yeah, KB makes us look real real bad. I swear that we're not all like that.
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Team Rocket Elite | Posted 7/25/2006 10:13:14 PM | message detail
Hows total votes looking so far compared to FF/MM?

LoZ vs Metroid - 15365
FF vs MM - 15747

It's falling behind now.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/25/2006 10:13:49 PM | message detail
I just remembered that you almost took Ganondorf over Samus -- man, you must really hate Metroid or just think it's worth absolutely nothing.

Hey, I *voted* Metroid over Zelda -- granted, I'm never voting anything Zelda-related ever again due to having to eat a disc because of it, but I would have voted Metroid anyway!

My Ganon > Samus inclination was more out of my constant overestimation of Ganondorf. I did say I almost took him over Sephiroth, didn't I?
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Heroic NPC | Posted 7/25/2006 10:14:12 PM | message detail
KB can make ANYTHING look bad.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/25/2006 10:14:23 PM | message detail
At the 1:10 mark, this match has 15365 votes. To compare with other matches at the same time:

GTA/Warcraft - 13973
Zelda/MMX - 14538
Castlevania/Kingdom Hearts - 14774
Final Fantasy/Mega Man - 15747

Oh, and for the record, SMB had 10546 votes against Madden at this time. Zelda has 13027.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
transience | Posted 7/25/2006 10:14:24 PM | message detail
did you? then you're just insane!
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xyzzy
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