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ChichiriMuyo | Posted 7/24/2006 3:38:16 AM | message detail
FACT:FF vs LoZ will surpass Link vs Cloud I in terms of vote totals.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 3:39:34 AM | message detail
It would take an act of Satan -- such as moving the poll down the page again -- in order to keep LoZ/FF from breaking Link/Cloud 2k3. And even that might not do it.
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TheCruelAngel | Posted 7/24/2006 3:40:39 AM | message detail
O_O

This performance is ****ing impressive. It won't matter at all, though, when it meets Mario! >;)
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jonthomson | Posted 7/24/2006 4:12:58 AM | message detail
There are few here that have not played at least one FF and one Zelda.

y helo thar
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consolefreak | Posted 7/24/2006 5:10:21 AM | message detail
I have no idea how to calculate X-stats.

It is explained on the first post of every stats topic. Other than that, http://www.thengamer.com/xstats/

Well, duh. FF's going to have no problem at all until it hits Zelda. I just have a lingering fear of voters jumping ship. But it's a very small, likely overcompensating fear. I don't know why I spent so much time dwelling on it. Gotta cover all my bases! <_<

I hear ya. I've been thinking about this ever since the whole diversity argument was brought up. I don't see Zelda winning, but I wouldn't be too surprised if it did.

Although nothing in today's performance makes me question FF's superiority. On the contrary, FF getting more votes on MM than Zelda did on MMX is just awesome.


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XIII_rocks | Posted 7/24/2006 5:12:01 AM | message detail
Zelda/MM screams SFF, especially after Link/Megaman. This is FF's raw strength.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/24/2006 5:22:46 AM | message detail
Incredible. FF is almost tripling one of the best candidates for fourth place. Looks like I wasn't kidding when I said fourth place might be at 25%. And this is supposed to be much more competitive than the villain contest to boot.
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Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego
Slowflake | Posted 7/24/2006 5:23:26 AM | message detail
And I forgot the votals. DEAR GOD.
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Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 5:25:04 AM | message detail
Silly Villains Contest! Liquid could beat Diablo, I swear!!! And it'll be child's play for him after MGS4!
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Redtooth | Posted 7/24/2006 5:36:15 AM | message detail
The blowouts this late in the contest is just crazy. I know people like FF, but it seems that nothing can really measure up to it...
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Slowflake | Posted 7/24/2006 5:37:03 AM | message detail
...duh? FF was the odds-on favorite from the minute the contest was announced.
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Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego
Tai | Posted 7/24/2006 6:15:35 AM | message detail
Dude...a little more than 9 hours have passed, and the vote totals are already over 50000+?

And FF seems to just continue to increase in %...

Lol, and people actually thought another series could stand up to FF. XD What a joke.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 7/24/2006 6:38:04 AM | message detail
Pre-contest, it wasn't completely unfeasible.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 6:39:13 AM | message detail
It's wrong that Tai makes me root against the stuff he obnoxiously pulls for, even if I prefer it. =(
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steve illumina | Posted 7/24/2006 6:40:28 AM | message detail
Mega Man does not deserve this at all, especially when one hit wonder SSBM is still alive in the next round.

Sighs...
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XIII_rocks | Posted 7/24/2006 6:42:06 AM | message detail
It's wrong that Tai makes me root against the stuff he obnoxiously pulls for, even if I prefer it. =(

Tai = Kyle Bowen?!
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2006 7:07:36 AM | message detail
Why does the other topic have over 100 posts already?

So Final Fantasy turned around and is pushing 75%. It will be sad when a match like this is going to beat Mario vs. Crono II in votes.
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Zombies Yay | Posted 7/24/2006 7:24:42 AM | message detail
I had a bit of spare time yesterday, so I called upon some black magic and conjured up this.

#1 Samus
#8 Jay Solano

#4 Dante
#5 Tidus

#3 Yoshi
#6 Barret

#2 Squall
#7 Prince of Persia


#1 Sonic
#8 Marth

#4 Vincent
#5 Bowser

#3 Tommy Vercetti
#6 Alucard

#2 Soma Cruz
#7 Carl Johnson


#1 Snake
#8 Ramza

#4 Kefka
#5 Tails

#3 Ridley
#6 Revolver Ocelot

#2 Frog
#7 Chun-Li


#1 Crono
#8 Nightmare

#4 Ken Masters
#5 Ness

#3 Gordon Freeman
#6 Ryu Hayabusa

#2 Aeris
#7 Wario


#1 Master Chief
#8 Riku

#4 Luigi
#5 Leon Kennedy

#3 KOS-MOS
#6 CATS

#2 Liquid Snake
#7 Diablo


#1 Mega Man
#8 Mallow

#4 Kratos Aurion
#5 Fox

#3 Ryu
#6 Donkey Kong

#2 M. Bison
#7 Pac-Man


#1 Ganondorf
#8 Marche

#4 Scorpion
#5 Mewtwo

#3 Kirby
#6 Auron

#2 Zero
#7 Yuna


#1 Tifa
#8 Felix

#4 Knuckles
#5 Zelda

#3 Magus
#6 Shadow

#2 Sora
#7 Rikku

WORK YOUR MAGIC STATS PEOPLE
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Slowflake | Posted 7/24/2006 7:27:55 AM | message detail
There's an awful lot of stuff missing from there.
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Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego
Zombies Yay | Posted 7/24/2006 7:29:06 AM | message detail
Your face is missing a lot of stuff !!... >_>

Out of posts >_>
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/24/2006 7:45:10 AM | message detail
I'll look into it when I get home.
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Tediz247 | Posted 7/24/2006 7:53:41 AM | message detail
Needs more Mario. It just seems wrong to start a contest off without Link or Mario. I'll go into more depth after I get back from my morning jog.
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Zombies Yay | Posted 7/24/2006 7:55:40 AM | message detail
That was being based off Mario going into the ToC.

And Slow...

http://img233.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lolslowci5.png
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/24/2006 8:00:53 AM | message detail
one hit wonder SSBM

SSB, the series, has TWO GAMES. SSB, is also POPULAR TOO.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 7/24/2006 8:37:27 AM | message detail
SSB, the series, has TWO GAMES. SSB, is also POPULAR TOO.

SSBM's fanbase overlaps SSB's fanbase. It is, essentially, SSBM and SSBM alone that beat down the Sonic series yesterday.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/24/2006 8:39:33 AM | message detail
And common sense is based off being no ToC this year. It was fine as a one-time gimmick, but twice would be overly lame.
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Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego
transience | Posted 7/24/2006 8:40:29 AM | message detail
And this is supposed to be much more competitive than the villain contest to boot.

it is... difference is that the VC had one entrant who was an obvious win that nothing could come close to, while there's three in this that you can at least make an argument for.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/24/2006 8:41:22 AM | message detail
I know, but after Seph, Ganondorf and Bowser you had a grand canyon of nothing. The problem is that it might happen again here.
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Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego
Zombies Yay | Posted 7/24/2006 8:45:36 AM | message detail
And common sense is based off you melting !!

Hahahaha... erm... haha... >_>

*ahem*

I'll stop now. >_>
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/24/2006 8:45:39 AM | message detail
Personally, I probably wouldn't want the Big Three back in a main bracket, but there is almost no solution for them at this point. It seems the best brackets are those without Link, Cloud, and Sephiroth in them, even if Mario is still included.

At the least, though, I want the 8x8 format to return. I loved that.

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XIII_rocks | Posted 7/24/2006 8:47:09 AM | message detail
I think it has happened here. Mega Man is stronger than Resident Evil, (at least I think so) so FF isn't ceasing the dominance there. SMB will SFF SSB. LoZ will SFF Metroid. Short of Metal Gear pulling something spectacular out against LoZ (like breaking 40% >_>), we can pretty much call SMB, FF and LoZ the Sephiroth, Bowser and Ganon of this contest.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 7/24/2006 9:00:05 AM | message detail
Personally, I probably wouldn't want the Big Three back in a main bracket, but there is almost no solution for them at this point. It seems the best brackets are those without Link, Cloud, and Sephiroth in them, even if Mario is still included.

Nothing outside the big three can beat Mario. If Samus (hypothetically) could retain the same popularity but be a Playstation favourite and not a Nintendo one, she MIGHT be able to do it, but that's it. At the same time, I don't know what could be done to avoid Mario winning it all again in 2k6.

Meh, maybe we're starting the cycle all over again. Champion wins first contest. Tons of people pick said Champion to win next contest because nothing there should be able to defeat him. Said champion (Link the first time, Mario this) gets upset by a character who we thought was significantly weaker (Sephiroth this time...SONIC THE NEXT?!)

At the least, though, I want the 8x8 format to return. I loved that.

Ditto.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/24/2006 9:01:29 AM | message detail
There was a time when Mario couldn't break 56% on Shadow. I wouldn't toss Mario out of the bracket just yet.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/24/2006 9:09:53 AM | message detail
#1 Samus
#4 Dante
#3 Yoshi
#2 Squall
#1 Sonic
#4 Vincent
#6 Alucard
#7 Carl Johnson
#1 Snake
#5 Tails
#6 Revolver Ocelot
#2 Frog
#1 Crono
#4 Ken Masters
#6 Ryu Hayabusa
#2 Aeris
#8 Riku (I... must... take it!)
#4 Luigi
#3 KOS-MOS
#2 Liquid Snake
#1 Mega Man
#5 Fox
#3 Ryu
#2 M. Bison
#1 Ganondorf
#4 Scorpion
#6 Auron
#2 Zero
#1 Tifa
#5 Zelda
#3 Magus
#2 Sora

#1 Samus
#2 Squall
#1 Sonic
#6 Alucard
#1 Snake
#2 Frog
#1 Crono
#2 Aeris
#4 Luigi
#2 Liquid Snake
#1 Mega Man
#3 Ryu
#1 Ganondorf
#6 Auron
#5 Zelda (based on CJayC's speed, I think this takes place after Twilight Princess)
#2 Sora

#1 Samus
#1 Sonic
#1 Snake
#1 Crono
#4 Luigi
#1 Mega Man
#1 Ganondorf
#5 Zelda

#1 Samus
#1 Crono
#1 Mega Man
#5 Zelda

#1 Samus
#1 Mega Man

#1 Samus

There you have it. Tifa/Zelda isn't that big of a deal; for me, it depends entirely on the bracket's timing. If it looks like the contest will start in early September, I take Tifa. If it's October or something, I have Zelda all the way. Obviously, Riku over Chief is my big risk, and with the volatility of Master Chief and the success of Kingdom Hearts II, it seems to be one of the funnest to take. The finals are a bit tough, but I'd have taken Samus over Crono last year, and Crono beat Mega Man. Even if there is some rSFF, I don't think it'll be enough for MM to make up the difference. Also, the SSBM factor always helps.
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Tediz247 | Posted 7/24/2006 9:10:46 AM | message detail
#1 Samus
#5 Tidus (Good match)
#3 Yoshi (Barret? How did he get here?)
#2 Squall (PoP is very wasted)

#1 Sonic (Marth's wasted too)
#4 Vincent (Very tough, but no way should this be a first round match)
#6 Alucard (TV as a 3 seed? Too high)
#2 Soma Cruz (CJ probably doesn't deserve to return)

#1 Snake (Good to see Ramza back, but he's wasted)
#4 Kefka (Good match. Kefka shouldn't have much trouble)
#6 Revolver Ocelot (Ridley's worthless. Of course, Ocelot is too...)
#2 Frog (Frog as a 2? I don't see this happening)

#1 Crono
#5 Ness (Underestimating Ness has burned me twice. I won't let it happen a third)
#6 Ryu Hayabusa (The universe > logic)
#2 Aeris (Aeris won't get a 2 if she returns. She always gets shafted in seeding)

#1 Master Chief (Tough match, but the Chief should pull it off. I'd seed Riku higher, especially after KH2.)
#4 Luigi (Leon's wasted here. He has strength, but not enough to take Luigi)
#3 KOS-MOS (...the hell? Both are too high)
#2 Liquid Snake (Liquid's very underrated in the VC stats, and Diablo might be a bit overrated)

#1 Mega Man (...Mallow?)
#5 Fox (Good match. Fox should pull it off)
#3 Ryu (Ryu shouldn't have a problem)
#7 Pac-Man (Bison shouldn't return at all, but as a 2 seed? Nope.

#1 Ganondorf (Marche? At least he gets destroyed opening round)
#4 Scorpion (I'm probably underestimating Mewtwo, but I don't see him having any strength)
#6 Auron (Auron's way too low coming off of KH2.)
#2 Zero

#1 Tifa
#5 Zelda (Good match)
#3 Magus
#2 Sora


#1 Samus
#2 Squall

#1 Sonic (tough, but the Noble Nine holds)
#6 Alucard (SFF Ahoy!)

#1 Snake
#2 Frog

#1 Crono
#2 Aeris

#4 Luigi
#2 Liquid Snake

#1 Mega Man
#3 Ryu

#1 Ganondorf
#6 Auron (Good match. I'll give the win to Auron based on KH2)

#5 Zelda (I'll take the risky upset. I think Zelda's stronger than Luigi by just enough to dispatch Tifa)
#2 Sora (Magus isn't as strong as we'd like to think. Sora's coming off of KH2)


#1 Samus (Eww, rematch)
#1 Sonic

#1 Snake (Eww, rematch)
#1 Crono

#4 Luigi
#1 Mega Man

#1 Ganondorf(KH2 won't give Auron enough to make up the gap)
#5 Zelda (Tough, but Zelda still has TP hype)


#1 Samus (Eww, rematch)
#1 Crono (Eww, rematch)
#1 Mega Man
#1 Ganondorf (Tough, but I'll go with Hero > Villain > Sidekick/Female)

#1 Samus
#1 Mega Man


#1 Samus

Overall, not that great, to be honest. Lots of characters are wasted, and the only newcomer with a chance to win is Mewtwo. Also, the nomination rally characters didn't make it, except PoP and Nightmare.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/24/2006 9:16:14 AM | message detail
Also, my logic usually fails in Ness's first round matches, so I'd either just take the little dweeb or flip a coin.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/24/2006 9:21:02 AM | message detail
Dude, I'm all over Snake > Crono. Crono wins with, what, 53.63% or so? Believe.

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Tediz247 | Posted 7/24/2006 9:21:49 AM | message detail
If that match took place after Brawl and MGS4, I would be too.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/24/2006 9:22:59 AM | message detail
After Brawl/MGS4, that match would never be in question -- hell, give me Snake over Samus no problem at that point. As it is now, I like it as an upset pick.

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Draco1214 | Posted 7/24/2006 9:23:46 AM | message detail
Snake is going to be a huge beast after MGS4 and SSBB.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/24/2006 9:28:27 AM | message detail
I'd laugh my ass off if it turned out to not even be enough to beat Sonic.

Probably won't, but I don't see him catching up to Samus. The way's just too long.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/24/2006 9:31:56 AM | message detail
Not only is he finally appearing as the main playable character in MGS in what will be nearly a decade, but he'll also be in SSBB (there's your KHF). Samus has a nice advantage in being in SSB to give her strength, but now Snake has that? Plus his big return to the main role in MGS? Snake is going to be a monster.

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Who Cares? | Posted 7/24/2006 9:34:09 AM | message detail
O_O Holy Crap the vote totals. 75k little past the halfway mark? How's this looking compared to the others matches right now?
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/24/2006 9:36:34 AM | message detail
It's ahead of LoZ/MMX by 4,025 votes as of the 12:35 AM update.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/24/2006 9:36:51 AM | message detail
Err, PM.

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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/24/2006 9:37:37 AM | message detail
I'd laugh my ass off if Sonic ends up in Brawl. I know Nintendo stated that they'll only take "outside" characters who originated on Nintendo systems, but come on; this one is too huge. Work something out.
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xp1337 | Posted 7/24/2006 9:43:32 AM | message detail
At 12:40 EST

LoZ/MMX had 72856
Mario/Warcraft had 67819
Castlevania/Kingdom Hearts had 72125

Final Fantasy/MM has 76290.
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Who Cares? | Posted 7/24/2006 9:45:09 AM | message detail
Oh, and taking a quick glance at that bracket, the one think that bugs me most about some of the fan-brackets is that they don't give the rally winners a fair shot at a win & are seeded way too low.

Remember last year's rally characters, Lloyd & Ocelot grabbed a #2 seed, Tifa a #3, Kerrigan a #5, and I know 'm blanking on the last one, but I'm sure they were a 3 or 4.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 7/24/2006 9:45:48 AM | message detail
XIII RULES

After RE/SF, NO MORE DISCUSSION OF THE JULY 06 CONTEST WILL TAKE PLACE! For then, it shall be over.

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XIII_rocks | Posted 7/24/2006 9:46:54 AM | message detail
At 12:40 EST

LoZ/MMX had 72856
Mario/Warcraft had 67819
Castlevania/Kingdom Hearts had 72125

Final Fantasy/MM has 76290.


HOLY ****ING ****.
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