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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 325
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| THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/24/2006 12:03:51 AM | message detail |
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This match is now more than 2000 ahead of Zelda/MMX, and FF is only a few hundred behind Zelda's individual vote total. --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/24/2006 12:17:56 AM | message detail |
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And Final Fantasy is pulling away FAST. It's already gained another 300
votes on Zelda/MMX's pace in the last 15 minutes. This match could
conceivably pass Mario/Crono II. --- "...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/24/2006 12:20:39 AM | message detail |
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Mario/Crono II? Good grief. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/24/2006 12:52:12 AM | message detail |
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Heh. Final Fantasy has gained 75%+ of the vote for the past 15 minutes.
It also already cleared 73% and does not look to slow down any time
soon. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/24/2006 12:57:31 AM | message detail |
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You can still enjoy the water if you can't swim. Just go in to your knees and have a friend to hold onto. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Now Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), WC3: Frozen Throne |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 1:06:30 AM | message detail |
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| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 1:07:49 AM | message detail |
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I am posting in this topic when I shouldn't WAY too frequently nowadays. And FF is just getting better and better. The tripling is definitely doable if it keeps this up. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/24/2006 1:12:17 AM | message detail |
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Holy crap at that 81% update. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/24/2006 1:23:09 AM | message detail |
| I've missed about a year of the stats topic so bear with me while I catch up. But why are we so sure that FF is significantly stronger than LoZ? Wouldn't rest of the Zelda games somewhat neutralize the deficit OoT had against FF7? Hasn't Nintendo gained quite a bit of momentum here on Gamefaqs? And I don't think for a second Diablo > WarCraft. I agree that FF is probably the favorite but I can't believe the vast majority of people here thinks it is a foregone conclusion. This reminds me of when Cloud was underestimated by everyone and went on to hand Link his only defeat. Can someone point to me the source of this confidence? |
| Xuxon | Posted 7/24/2006 1:23:14 AM | message detail |
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...and another 81% update. Maybe FF does have a chance at the 76.5 spread? O_O --- Take off every sig. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/24/2006 1:24:32 AM | message detail |
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Wouldn't rest of the Zelda games somewhat neutralize the deficit OoT had against FF7? Yes, but you also have to add on FF6, FFX, FF8, FFT, and the rest of the FF games. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2, New Super Mario Bros. |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/24/2006 1:30:47 AM | message detail |
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If I remember correctly, Lttp > FF6 and either LoZ or WW > FF10.
And don't forget that Majoras Mask is probably leagues ahead of either
LoZ or WW. Unless the voters are only thinking of the best game of the
each series, I can't really give the edge to FF as far as the franchize
popularity goes. --- bnet ID: KailaYu |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 1:31:38 AM | message detail |
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I've missed about a year of the stats topic so bear with me while I
catch up. But why are we so sure that FF is significantly stronger than
LoZ? Wouldn't rest of the Zelda games somewhat neutralize the deficit
OoT had against FF7? Hasn't Nintendo gained quite a bit of momentum
here on Gamefaqs? And I don't think for a second Diablo > WarCraft.
I agree that FF is probably the favorite but I can't believe the vast
majority of people here thinks it is a foregone conclusion. This
reminds me of when Cloud was underestimated by everyone and went on to
hand Link his only defeat. Can someone point to me the source of this
confidence? Basically the idea is that FF gains more from having the other games in its series than Zelda does from it. Yeah, adding in LoZ, LttP, WW, MM, and other Zeldas more than make up the deficit OoT had against FF7. But the fanbase is much more united as a whole in liking the games -- the split only really happens between the 2D and 3D fanbase, but if you like LttP you'll usually like Link's Awakening, etc. FF is far more diverse in its fanbase. The fanbases of the different FFs are about as different as can be. When you combine that kind of diversity to something that's already so strong, you're pulling a HUGE amount of strength. Diablo was supposed to be a midcarder, yet FF made it look by fodder. Even if you assume WarCraft > Diablo, unless it's by a large margin Mario simply can't compete. It's not that Zelda is being underestimated, it's that FF is just expected to be that much more powerful. And honestly, you really can't compare that to Cloud 2k3...with Mario/Cloud and all it's a completely different situation. And remember, even with the Nintendo boost last year, Mario still got crushed by Sephiroth and Cloud was able to keep himself respectable against Link. I'd think Link is far closer to the Zelda games than Cloud is to the Final Fantasy series, wouldn't you? --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 1:35:06 AM | message detail |
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If I remember correctly, Lttp > FF6 Yeah, but not by enough. LttP beat FF6 by less than FF7 beat OoT, remember? and either LoZ or WW > FF10. lol Starcraft. I *might* give you LoZ (and that's if it suffered SFF against Mario 3), but I've got an inkling that FFVIII is stronger than FFX anyway. And don't forget that Majoras Mask is probably leagues ahead of either LoZ or WW. No, MM came out late in the N64's lifespan and probably only has moderate popularity. I'd be stretching to give it a shot against WW. Unless the voters are only thinking of the best game of the each series, I can't really give the edge to FF as far as the franchize popularity goes. There's little reason not to. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/24/2006 1:36:45 AM | message detail |
| It is true that FF fanbase is probably the more diverse one. I like your theory and I can't really argue against it. Hopefully LoZ can give us at least a good match against the favorite. |
| voltch | Posted 7/24/2006 1:39:35 AM | message detail |
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both mega man series really got screwed in his contest right. --- Kilroy:Their fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft. BrentfordFC-championship here we come |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/24/2006 1:45:18 AM | message detail |
| I don't think merging Mega Man and Mega Man X would result in a significantly stronger series. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 1:50:22 AM | message detail |
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The only thing that might burn us is if diversity ends up working
against the FF fanbase...perhaps there are more people that like any
single FF game than there are folks that like any single Zelda game,
but that could actually work against it if the people that like Zelda
games like them more as a whole. Here's an example. 60% of voters like every FF 20% of voters like only FF7 10% of voters like only FF6 5% of voters like only FFX 5% of voters like only 'insert other FF here' and 85% of voters like every Zelda 10% only like 3D Zeldas 5% only like 2D Zeldas But here's the thing. We all know Zelda and FF have MASSIVE overlap on this site. There are few here that have not played at least one FF and one Zelda. They share the same fanbase. People may end up preferring Zelda as a series, while fans of only one Final Fantasy game don't necessarily like it enough to vote it over said series. If that happens, we could have a massive upset on our hands and have half the board scratching their heads as to how it happened. I don't think it'll happen, though...mostly because FFVII's just too dang strong. FFVII would almost certainly beat every series in the contest except Mario and Zelda...and it's just one game. 20-25% of GameFAQs has the game as their favorite game of all time. There are a lot of people that will vote FFVII alone over the Zelda series, and that gives it the clear edge in my mind. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 1:52:12 AM | message detail |
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I don't think merging Mega Man and Mega Man X would result in a significantly stronger series. I think he meant that both games had to go up against the two big dogs in the second round...Zelda/MMX and FF/MM. But then again...someone's got to go against them in the first round. It would have been better if things like Fire Emblem were doing it instead. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/24/2006 1:57:16 AM | message detail |
| ^ Some interesting stats there. I think there are more anti-FF voters than anti-LoZ voters, but that has been brought up years ago and may be an old and useless theory. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 2:02:38 AM | message detail |
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Well, it's not 'anti-voting', it's just that people like them more.
It's conceivable that FF8 is one's favorite game but you still like the
Zelda series as a whole better than it. FF is more diverse because we
know that each fanbase is very distinct, but that may also mean that
each distinct fanbase may not rally behind FF as a whole when put up
against something as universally well-liked as Zelda. If you give one
Zelda game a 9/10, you're likely to give the entire series a similar
rating. But just because FFIX is a 10/10 to a certain voter doesn't
mean that he considers the series a 10/10. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/24/2006 2:04:20 AM | message detail |
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Judging from the insane vote totals, I'd say the different FF fanbases are pretty united behind the FF series. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2, New Super Mario Bros. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 2:06:31 AM | message detail |
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Well, duh. FF's going to have no problem at all until it hits Zelda. I
just have a lingering fear of voters jumping ship. But it's a very
small, likely overcompensating fear. I don't know why I spent so much
time dwelling on it. Gotta cover all my bases! <_< --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/24/2006 2:08:04 AM | message detail |
| No no, I didn't mean to say your scenario is anti-voting. I was just searching for ways to break chinks in FF's armor, and anti-voting idea has always surrounded FF characters. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/24/2006 2:08:35 AM | message detail |
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Well, yeah, but using your argument, Mario could give FF a good run. I guess we'll know if FF will win the contest when it faces Mario. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2, New Super Mario Bros. |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/24/2006 2:11:13 AM | message detail |
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From Draco1214 Posted 7/24/2006 5:08:35 AM #375 Well, yeah, but using your argument, Mario could give FF a good run. I guess we'll know if FF will win the contest when it faces Mario. I still maintain that Mario is the bigger threat to FF, even if Zelda would SFF it to hell and back. ~*ST*~ --- Winner of the Spring 2004 "Best. Game. Ever." Contest Now Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), WC3: Frozen Throne |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 2:11:29 AM | message detail |
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Well, this board certainly anti-votes FF-related things nowadays, for
whatever reason. It gave Link 60% over Cloud during what would have
otherwise been his best time, barely had it making the tripling against
Diablo and had Mega Man under the doubling. I don't know why they hate
FF so much. ;_; --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/24/2006 2:12:34 AM | message detail |
| Jesus, look at the vote total. I figured 73.5% against MM would mean insta-death for FF against Zelda, but this vote totals are rather convincing. Scary thing is FF will probably triple MM before the match ends... |
| Xuxon | Posted 7/24/2006 2:13:46 AM | message detail |
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In the past hour, FF has gotten 76.7% of the vote. If it wins the day
vote, we could be in for the biggest percentage shift of the contest. --- Take off every sig. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/24/2006 2:18:33 AM | message detail |
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I still maintain that Mario is the bigger threat to FF, even if Zelda would SFF it to hell and back. The one thing that makes me hesitant about giving Mario a chance is vote totals. As impressive as Mario's percentage was against Warcraft, Mario was the first of the Big Three not to break 100k by himself in a match. Sure Mario broke 108k in his first round match, but that's because he was facing complete and total fodder. FF got dangerously close to that on Diablo, a much stronger opponent than Madden, even though the poll was 15 minutes late. Today, FF/MM is raking in an even higher total vote count than the match with the highest vote totals thus far, which coincidentally is Zelda/MMX. I think these matches show that FF is unstoppable force, uniting all of its different fanbases together. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2, New Super Mario Bros. |
| voltch | Posted 7/24/2006 2:46:05 AM | message detail |
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looking at hat pic how would bass fare in a contest setting? --- Kilroy:Their fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft. BrentfordFC-championship here we come |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 2:52:30 AM | message detail |
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I can't believe what FF's doing right now. If this is the beginning of the day vote a tripling is a foregone conclusion. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/24/2006 2:53:17 AM | message detail |
| Weaker than Zero and Protoman, I think. |
| Xuxon | Posted 7/24/2006 2:54:10 AM | message detail |
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Really bad. Worse than Protoman, for sure. Maybe around Laharl? --- Take off every sig. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 2:57:28 AM | message detail |
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Bass' problem is that he wasn't really introduced until MM7, which is
when the shift from Classic to X had been really cemented. That's the
only place where he has any real prominence, and other than that he's
got MM8 and a bunch of spinoffs. A helluva lot of people won't even
know who he is. Protoman gained instant fan-favorite status in MM3,
arguably the most popular Mega Man game of them all. And he's still not
that strong (not that we know precisely how much thanks to Zero SFF).
Bass would be really weak. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Xuxon | Posted 7/24/2006 2:59:20 AM | message detail |
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See that's the weird thing. It seems like every other series that's been doing this good now compared to the beginning has lost
the day vote. Yet, FF won it against Diablo, which is supposedly really
good with the day vote, and Mega Man lost it to Mario Kart, though
Mario Kart is admittedly probably pretty good with it. --- Take off every sig. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 3:07:43 AM | message detail |
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Well, it's all relative. You'd expect Mario Kart to be better in the
day than the night. Mega Man is pretty consistent throughout both
times. Halo did better in the day than in the night, too, it's just
that Castlevania was too strong for it to matter. FF7 has always been
strong with both votes, though the other FF games have always done
better at night. But for it to be better with the day vote than the
night vote would be quite a feat...and yet, a possibility if it keeps
rising like this. It's starting to rack up a bunch of 80% updates with
ease. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| XIII_rocks | Posted 7/24/2006 3:08:50 AM | message detail |
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Wait, this match is more than 2000 ahead of Zelda/MMX?! That will only increase as the day goes. GUESS THE VOTE TOTAL! 133,849 --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=22242738 Sign plz dad wat are u on i just cant my mash |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 3:08:57 AM | message detail |
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Then again, looking at this it's probably too early to call it the day vote...must be my time zone screwing me up. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/24/2006 3:09:36 AM | message detail |
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As of the 6:05 AM update, Final Fantasy's individual vote total is
29,736. The Legend of Zelda's individual vote total at this time was
29,454. FF/MM -- 40,250 LoZ/MMX -- 34,756 Final Fantasy is just impressive to me, no matter how you slice it. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/24/2006 3:11:30 AM | message detail |
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| SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/24/2006 3:12:03 AM | message detail |
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Wait, this match is more than 2000 ahead of Zelda/MMX?! Nearly 6,000, actually. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/24/2006 3:14:01 AM | message detail |
| Can we just skip to the finals? MM doesn't deserve this humiliation... |
| SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/24/2006 3:14:08 AM | message detail |
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Gah! I had it right the first time -- nearly 4,000. I always get something screwed up on previous matches for some reason. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Xuxon | Posted 7/24/2006 3:14:51 AM | message detail |
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Based on how far ahead it is now compared to Zelda/MMX, if it
maintained that percentage of higher total votes, it would finish with
141829. And I've calculated this number a few times; it's only going up. --- Take off every sig. |
| SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/24/2006 3:15:56 AM | message detail |
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Yeah. Leonhart mentioned earlier that it had a real possibility of
surpassing Mario/Crono II, which is insane, but yeah. Even when Final
Fantasy is not making jaws drop in percentage, it is doing it other
ways. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Xuxon | Posted 7/24/2006 3:19:49 AM | message detail |
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I'd say at this point, it's almost guaranteed to pass Mario/Crono II.
The total vote difference between this and Zelda/MMX at relative times
is already higher than the overal total difference between Mario/Crono
II and Zelda/MMX. --- Take off every sig. |
| voltch | Posted 7/24/2006 3:25:17 AM | message detail |
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FACT OR FICTION:FF vs LoZ will surpass Link vs Cloud I in terms of vote totals. --- Kilroy:Their fate will be in each other's hands as they decide whether to share or to shaft. BrentfordFC-championship here we come |
| Zylo the wolf | Posted 7/24/2006 3:26:50 AM | message detail |
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Heh yeah guys, Zelda has no chance against FF based on their performances. >_> --- 1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d t0 g37 l41d |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/24/2006 3:27:57 AM | message detail |
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Can we just skip to the finals? MM doesn't deserve this humiliation... Humiliation? For a good long while at the beginning of this match MM seemed like it had cemented itself as the 4th strongest series...now, as the day goes on it seems more and more likely that MG could end up higher in the stats, but that doesn't take away from the performance. As for FF...well, it's FF. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |