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XIII_rocks | Posted 7/23/2006 4:16:51 AM | message detail
Sucks that Sonic is losing, but at least Steve is down the tubes.

BTW, Why is Snake weaker than his series, despite being a character more known as a character (Samus is a cool character, but she's mute. Snake is well known to be fairly deep) than Samus, who is stronger than her series? o_O Just noticed how weird that is. Shouldn't it be the other way around?
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jonthomson | Posted 7/23/2006 4:53:49 AM | message detail
Urgh, this isn't pretty at all. I suppose it was kind of inevitable that this could happen after KH came back, but the size of this lead is crazy.

DMC is going to look weak as anything now.
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Kratos_42 | Posted 7/23/2006 5:51:06 AM | message detail
Yep, we'll all glad arrogant Steve is getting taken down a notch.
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cyko | Posted 7/23/2006 6:05:31 AM | message detail

BTW, Why is Snake weaker than his series, despite being a character more known as a character (Samus is a cool character, but she's mute. Snake is well known to be fairly deep) than Samus, who is stronger than her series? o_O Just noticed how weird that is. Shouldn't it be the other way around?


we covered this. Samus has Super Smash Bros. to boost her up while Snake has, what - Ape Escape? now, after SSBB, Snake has the same thing to draw from. but Samus also has Zero Suit Samus, which looks to be a hotter version of Samus - which can only help her.

so the question is - who gets the SFF between Snake and Samus after SSBB?

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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/23/2006 6:43:44 AM | message detail
Technically, Snake's only the main character of one of the MGS games, which is a problem for him. He doesn't get the full strength of each game, like Link, Mario, or Samus would.
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Dark Ninja1521 | Posted 7/23/2006 6:45:16 AM | message detail
RE FTW!
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Dark Ninja1521 | Posted 7/23/2006 6:48:12 AM | message detail
But he's Snake though. He'll make it to the final four. I wouldn't be surprised if it was all 1 seeds that made it to the final four.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 7/23/2006 7:05:53 AM | message detail
I wasn't making a specific point, just stating how weird it is that a character is stronger than her series despite being mute, while another character is weaker than his series despite being extraordinarily deep.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/23/2006 7:49:28 AM | message detail
Wow, Sonic won some updates for night and majorly cut down the percentage. Too early to see who's "winning" the day vote.

Still, I'm hoping Sonic can make it a bit closer...
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Tediz247 | Posted 7/23/2006 8:25:28 AM | message detail
Whoa, Smash is touching Sonic in a place or a way that makes him feel uncomfortable. Still, it's Steve losing his perfect, and that's very good. I do wish it was a bit closer though.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/23/2006 8:55:10 AM | message detail
Speaking of him, has anyone seen him today?
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Tediz247 | Posted 7/23/2006 9:00:52 AM | message detail
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/detail.php?board=8&topic=29428406&message=321809251
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transience | Posted 7/23/2006 9:07:42 AM | message detail
I'm curious on what a Mario/Smash picture would look like.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/23/2006 9:13:48 AM | message detail
SSB is gaining percent back, look like it's going to win the day vote.

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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/23/2006 9:14:51 AM | message detail
I'm curious on what a Mario/Smash picture would look like.

...as am I, come to think of it. I can't think of a single notable Mario character that isn't involved in Smash in some way or form. Even Waluigi is a trophy.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/23/2006 9:15:09 AM | message detail
And no, Geno does not count.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/23/2006 9:41:01 AM | message detail
I maintain that Mario and Luigi should rep SMB while trophies of Mario and Luigi should rep SSB.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/23/2006 10:40:53 AM | message detail
I'm reposting this from the Crew topic.






Sonic though...outside of Sonic the character, show me where his games should have some strength.



THE BEST OF 1999: Dreamcast
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=32

THE BEST OF 1999: Neo-Geo Pocket
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=35

THE BEST OF 1999: Game of the Year
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=38

Of all of this year's most anticipated upcoming games, which do you most want?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=678

BEST OF 2001: Best Dreamcast Game of the Year
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=767

Which scheduled February release are you most looking forward to?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=792

Which upcoming Sega game are you most looking forward to?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1017

Which scheduled November GameCube release are you most interested in?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1065

BEST OF 2002: Best GameBoy Advance Game
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1127

BEST OF 2002: Best GameCube Game
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1128

Which upcoming Sega title are you most looking forward to?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1242

Which scheduled June release are you most looking forward to?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1281

Which series has had the best transition from 2D to 3D?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1417

Which first-quarter GameCube game are you most looking forward to?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1481

Which first-quarter Xbox game are you most looking forward to?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1482

Which company's games are you most fanatical about?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1580

Division 16 Round 2: Sonic the Hedgehog 2 vs. Super Mario World
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1638

If you could only buy one company's games ever again, which would you choose?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1815

BEST OF 2004: Best Game Boy Advance Game
http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1869

Top 100 List
Sonic 2, the only Sonic rep on the drop-down list, is #38.



Those are lots of polls and info that show he shouldn't be too strong, despite his icon status and carrying the Genesis. Sonic 2 made the Game Contest because it received the most #1 Genesis nominations and it was #2 in the favorite-Sonic-game poll, so even if it's not THE favorite of the Sonic fans, it's very reasonably close and has a huge overlap with the other game that could say it's #1 (S&K)...and suddenly, when Sonic 2 lost big to SMW despite ALL this kind of information, SFF is suddenly accused because of a RIVALRY? More people believe more SFF was seen in Sonic 2/SMW than CT/Secret of Mana, two RPGs on the same system by the same company, because of a rivalry?! You would think they would stick more to their guns then in a rivalry...

...but whatever...

...now though, people are saying the entire Sonic series is being SFF'd by the two SSB games that're out, and I'm tired of this quick. If you would, please take the time to re-read my analysis...hell, if you like, replace Halo with KH whenever possible...and tell me this doesn't make more sense. For a two-game series, this is both the series with the absolute-strongest game and has its two games on seperate systems. Sonic the character does great for itself, although not quite so much when compared to other Noble Niners...but its games, please, I want to be done with this. There is no more SFF in this match than there is between any other match with two popular series.
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transcience | Posted 7/23/2006 10:46:01 AM | message detail
I think a Mario/Smash picture should be just one huge Mario picture. no sides.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/23/2006 10:49:42 AM | message detail
If that's the case, then it has to be this pic. No questions:

http://www.nlgaming.com/games/1689/051303_mariogolf_ss-04.jpg
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/23/2006 10:55:53 AM | message detail
Hell, how about a free-for-all battle on a flat-level that's Mario-inspired, then just show Mario, Luigi, Yoshi, and Peach duking it out?
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/23/2006 11:05:38 AM | message detail
Sure my Crew upset special went wrong, but I don't exactly care. I only like half the Sonic series, whereas both games in the SSB series are in my top ten.

WHAT'S THAT YOU SAY? I WAS RIGHT?

And to think, you all just brushed me off. Geez.

I love gloating at times like this.


WOOHOO! =p

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/23/2006 11:07:08 AM | message detail
And I don't know how I just now realized this, but I nominated Castlevania, Kingdom Hearts and Super Smash Brothers.

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_Seer_ | Posted 7/23/2006 11:07:59 AM | message detail
SSBM is my #1 favorite game.

Ceeeelebrate good times, c'mon! (Before SMB fries SSB.)
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/23/2006 11:09:01 AM | message detail
SFF is suddenly accused because of a RIVALRY?

As I covered in the Analysis Crew topic, there are plenty of reasons to believe there was SFF. Being a rivalry isn't one of them.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/23/2006 11:09:54 AM | message detail
And honestly, if Sonic 2 (what you think is the strongest Sonic game) is as weak as you're saying, Sonic shouldn't even be THIS close.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/23/2006 11:11:30 AM | message detail
From _Seer_ Posted 7/23/2006 11:07:59 AM
SSBM is my #1 favorite game.

Ceeeelebrate good times, c'mon! (Before SMB fries SSB.)



I thought I was the only one who had SSBM at #1! *celebrates good times with you*

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/23/2006 11:13:07 AM | message detail
If you think you're the only one who has SSBM as their #1 game, you obviously weren't around when a Board 8 List was done based on the GameFAQs Top 10 List. Super Smash Brothers Melee won easily.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/23/2006 11:17:33 AM | message detail
Of course it could -- there are probably two or three top Sonic games instead of just one TOP Sonic game, and Sonic 2 is only one of them. Considering how expansive and old Sonic is, not to mention classic, doing this good against a two-game pony like SSB isn't surprising (and I would have thought it'd do even better). As-is though, again, I implore you to compare Sonic to CV and SSB to KH/Halo and tell me why this doesn't make sense.
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cyko | Posted 7/23/2006 11:17:49 AM | message detail
And honestly, if Sonic 2 (what you think is the strongest Sonic game) is as weak as you're saying, Sonic shouldn't even be THIS close.

HA! wait until SMB breaks 80% SSB!!! then Sonic will be past where he's supposed to be!!

plus, if this Mario vs. Sonic rivalry is supposed to create SFF, then will someone please explain to me how the bloody heck SHADOW the Hedgehog scored 45% against Mario?

any rivalry should help the weaker entrant perform BETTER, not worse. "rivalry SFF" is the most ridiculous form of SFF we've come up with yet. all of this is just people refusing to admit that Sonic's games just don't carry the strength that it's characters do. we've already accepted that certain characters don't carry the strength that their games do (see Kerrigan and Gordon Freeman). just accept it and drop it already.

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Eggplant Lord | Posted 7/23/2006 11:18:34 AM | message detail
A picture of a team battle with Mario vs. Yoshi, Peach and Luigi, who are gangnig up on Mario, would be awesome, too >_>

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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/23/2006 11:18:38 AM | message detail
It won easily mainly because it was on... practically everyone's list. Only a few people had it as their #1 game. IIRC, Final Fantasy VII had the top spot more than any other game.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/23/2006 11:18:42 AM | message detail
Why what doesn't make sense? The only thing we're arguing about making sense is SMW SFFing Sonic 2, and you're the one who thinks it doesn't make sense.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/23/2006 11:19:54 AM | message detail
HaRRicH is the only one claiming we're saying SFF is the result of a rivalry, and that's trying to discredit the argument. Nobody else is claiming that.

then will someone please explain to me how the bloody heck SHADOW the Hedgehog scored 45% against Mario?

SFF.
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cyko | Posted 7/23/2006 11:23:29 AM | message detail
then will someone please explain to me how the bloody heck SHADOW the Hedgehog scored 45% against Mario?

SFF.


*blinks*

...

wait.... what? so when it's games, Mario benefits from SFF; but when it's characters, Sonic benefits from SFF? that makes less sense than Cromartie High.

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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/23/2006 11:25:15 AM | message detail
You fail at sarcasm, cyko -_-

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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/23/2006 11:29:48 AM | message detail
Mario's games > Mario

Sonic > Sonic's games
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transcience | Posted 7/23/2006 11:30:29 AM | message detail
wait.... what? so when it's games, Mario benefits from SFF; but when it's characters, Sonic benefits from SFF? that makes less sense than Cromartie High.

I've actually seen Smurf spout this. I am confused myself.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/23/2006 11:32:51 AM | message detail
The reasoning for my wording there is because, without that rivalry, nobody would have looked for SFF in Sonic 2/SMW. Instead though, for the longest time people just looked at that match and thought "that can't be right", then blamed it on both games having high play-rates. However, SMW is arguably the #4 Mario game and Sonic 2 is arguably the #1 Sonic game. Rivalry aside, if you're a fan of both series and you have to pick, you would figure more people would have sided with Sonic in that perspective.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/23/2006 11:34:43 AM | message detail
Not necessarily. Just because it's possibly Mario's #4 game doesn't mean it won't be favored over Sonic's #1 game.

Though I don't believe either. I say it's Mario's #3 vs. Sonic's #2, personally. I can't see SMB beating SMW head-to-head for the life of me.
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ccbfan | Posted 7/23/2006 11:34:46 AM | message detail
Hey UltimaterializerX

Your Bestiary FAQ for Castlevania DOS is wrong. The ripper drops the "black cloak" not the "black coat"
charmander6000 | Posted 7/23/2006 11:35:22 AM | message detail
You know instead of making thousands of factors many user call any match that something weird happen SFF.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/23/2006 11:44:33 AM | message detail
At the 14:40 mark, this match has 81276 votes. To compare with other matches at the same time:

SSB/DQ - 78547
Zelda/MMX - 86114
Castlevania/Kingdom Hearts - 86228
Mario/Warcraft - 80742

SSB > SMB!!!!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/23/2006 11:46:19 AM | message detail
From ccbfan Posted 7/23/2006 2:34:46 PM #441
Hey UltimaterializerX

Your Bestiary FAQ for Castlevania DOS is wrong. The ripper drops the "black cloak" not the "black coat"


*mental note to fix this tonight*

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HaRRicH | Posted 7/23/2006 11:48:17 AM | message detail
Thus, why I said arguably (I'm saying it too much lately, heh)...and I agree, not necessarily, but when the #1/#2 Sonic game gets 29% against the #3/#4 Mario game, perhaps one should stop thinking so highly of the Sonic series, especially with everything else I've been saying.

Look back at all of those polls I posted. Look back and see that there is no dominant favorite in the Sonic series and Sonic 2 is #1 or #2 in the series. Look back at my analysis. Look back at the past two generations, where SSB stormed into the generations that Sonic missed out on such great opportunity and potential. Look back at the Top 100 List and see that, despite being behind three other Mario games, SMW still outranks Sonic 2 by fifteen ranks. Everything that has happened with Sonic (except Shadow), in hindsight, is reasonable and justifiable without the mention of SFF.
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transcience | Posted 7/23/2006 11:48:55 AM | message detail
I thought I'd post this to make sure:

if the picture was of other SSB characters instead of Mario/Link/Samus, do you think Sonic would have won? cause if you do, I think you're nuts.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/23/2006 11:49:29 AM | message detail
Look back at the Top 100 List and see that, despite being behind three other Mario games, SMW still outranks Sonic 2 by fifteen ranks.

And Sonic 2 only outranks Devil May Cry by two spots. Stop bringing that up like it matters.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/23/2006 11:53:56 AM | message detail
if the picture was of other SSB characters instead of Mario/Link/Samus, do you think Sonic would have won? cause if you do, I think you're nuts.

Bold statement (unusual for me): The match pic could have been Sonic, Tails, and Knuckles against the FIGHTING WIRE FRAMES and SSB still would have won. Maybe Sonic could be doing a little better, but the results would still presumably be the same.
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cyko | Posted 7/23/2006 11:54:49 AM | message detail
You fail at sarcasm, cyko -_-

lol, that's not sarcasm. that's a simile or a metaphor or alliteration or something else.

You know instead of making thousands of factors many user call any match that something weird happen SFF.


heh, that's why i'm starting to like the idea of "something fishy factor" instead of "same fanbase factor".

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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/23/2006 11:55:25 AM | message detail
The disparity is much too large for the picture to have made a difference between winning and losing. At most, Sonic could have gotten 45% as a result, but that's me being mighty generous.
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