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SonicRaptor | Posted 7/22/2006 9:53:31 PM | message detail
I think Mario/Crono III was an anomoly as there was so much hype around Mario "screwing" Crono (or whatever) that people voted for Crono just to have him win for once.
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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/22/2006 9:53:35 PM | message detail
Mario will retire as 1-0 against Cloud, thank you very much.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 9:53:48 PM | message detail
From _Seer_ Posted 7/22/2006 9:53:30 PM
Nobody would.


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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 9:53:50 PM | message detail
I have no interest in getting involved in this Samus>Mario debate (there's a reason I ignored it the first time around, it cannot be reasonably justified), but who can know how Samus/Mario would've gone a year before? All we have is pure speculation. Mario might've been able to beat Samus in 2K4, yet it's clear enough that Mario wasn't at his best in 2K4, and on a pseudo-rampage in 2k5.

And this changes SFF...how?
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:54:06 PM | message detail
Grand Theft Auto happened.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 9:55:06 PM | message detail
GTA pulled a Halo?

Nevermind, GTA pulled a GTA. Those two always get great bracket support, then flop hard.

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creativename | Posted 7/22/2006 9:55:15 PM | message detail
I definitely think the original Smash would be successful in another Games Contest. Doubt I'm in the majority with that opinion, though.

Agreed. I don't see how anyone can think that adding or removing "Melee" from the name would change the performance more than a slight bit.

Anything's possible, but that seems like a huge stretch.
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_Seer_ | Posted 7/22/2006 9:57:00 PM | message detail
Almost 2,000.

What was the biggest comeback of all time, again?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 9:57:20 PM | message detail
You seriously think the original SSB could take out Division 128? Excuse me while I laugh. Voters aren't stupid, removing a 'I' from FFVII means that it gets weaker -- a LOT weaker. SSB would be strong, but I doubt it would be on par with SSBM.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 9:57:23 PM | message detail
Agreed. I don't see how anyone can think that adding or removing "Melee" from the name would change the performance more than a slight bit.

You mean besides common sense?

Liquid Snake is going to be just as strong as Solid Snake. After all, the names are similar!

SSBM and SSB share fanbases, but that fanbase vastly prefers SSBM. SSB would be strong, but not nearly as strong as SSBM.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:57:23 PM | message detail
Oh, Super Smash Brothers would definitely be a strong game in its own right. I don't see how anyone couldn't think that.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:58:09 PM | message detail
...But thinking it'd be nearly as strong as SSBM is overdoing it a bit.
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Yesmar | Posted 7/22/2006 9:58:24 PM | message detail
Yawn. There goes this contest's shot at being interesting. Looks like this one's gonna be down with 2004 and Sp2005 as the "Boring" Contests. I'll leave it up to someone else to decide what order they all go in. At least we got high votals for this one.
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LordOfDabu | Posted 7/22/2006 9:58:37 PM | message detail
I think 2004 was just a good year for Chrono Trigger. The game makes it to the finals, and both Crono and Frog do really well in the character battle.
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_Seer_ | Posted 7/22/2006 9:58:52 PM | message detail
What would be the final percentage in an SSB vs. SSBM match?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 9:59:28 PM | message detail
Ugly. I can't see it closer than 70-30.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 9:59:37 PM | message detail
I'd guess 70-30.

Not that SSB would be that weak, but I'm expecting lots of SFF in that match.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/22/2006 9:59:56 PM | message detail
SSB would probably do well for itself, but it'd still be nowhere near SSBM.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 10:00:04 PM | message detail
Karma Hunter, please stop beating me to the punch by a few seconds.

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creativename | Posted 7/22/2006 10:01:24 PM | message detail
...But thinking it'd be nearly as strong as SSBM is overdoing it a bit.

And just why, exactly, would be it be very different at all?

It's the same old wild SSB underestimation rearing it's head again.

This is not something worth going in depth over, but 1) How many people really even notice the "Melee" part of the entry name, 2) It took SSBM a long time to pass SSB in sales, SSB was immensely successful.

In a direct matchup, with SFF, who could know how it goes? But indirectly their performances would almost certainly be close to identical.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 10:02:05 PM | message detail
I think 2004 was just a good year for Chrono Trigger. The game makes it to the finals, and both Crono and Frog do really well in the character battle.

Yet CT was untested, and looking at the list it *should* have made it as far as it did (plus CT/LttP could have really gone either way). And Magus 2k4 was just trying to tell us that he was overrated against Luca Blight before he ran into Crono, while Frog only won his nailbiters thanks to board support and his opponents' weakness. He looks good because of Solid ****, Magus looks good because we love adjustments. Crono I'll give you, but he didn't look *too* different in 2k5.
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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/22/2006 10:03:41 PM | message detail
Looks like this one's gonna be down with 2004 and Sp2005 as the "Boring" Contests.

I think Zelda/Final Fantasy will singlehandedly elevate this contest above those other two. Even if FF wins with 55% or something, the final vote count will be the stuff of legend.

Also, I find that SC2K4 gets more than its fair share of hate. Sure, there were a lot of crappy SFF matches, but Sora taking his fourpack was unpredictable, and Frog's run was the most entertaining thing we've ever seen behind Starcraft.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/22/2006 10:03:42 PM | message detail
QUICK WITHOUT THINKING -- Which divisional championship will feature more SFF...

...LoZ/Metroid, or SMB/SSB?
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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/22/2006 10:04:10 PM | message detail
LoZ/Metroid

I'd bet my account on it!
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 10:04:16 PM | message detail
SMB/SSB

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Janus5000 | Posted 7/22/2006 10:04:52 PM | message detail
LoZ/Metroid.

Not that we'll know for sure.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/22/2006 10:05:08 PM | message detail
LoZ/Metroid for sure.

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creativename | Posted 7/22/2006 10:05:56 PM | message detail
...LoZ/Metroid, or SMB/SSB?

Even after the fact we'll never be able to do anything other than guess, but I'm thinking LoZ/Metroid.

I have some feeling that SMB/SSB actually won't have as much SFF as one would think. But who knows.
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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/22/2006 10:06:01 PM | message detail
Speaking of accounts, does anyone have an alt they'd be kind enough to let me use? I'll probably be running out of posts soon. Promise to not post anything stupid.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 10:07:17 PM | message detail
How many people really even notice the "Melee" part of the entry name

The voters aren't stupid. They know the difference. I'm not questioning Super Smash Brothers's strength, but if you're telling me it beats Final Fantasy X, I can't take that seriously.
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transience | Posted 7/22/2006 10:07:40 PM | message detail
heh, I had a feeling this was how this match was gonna go. damn unfortunate. now we just have to hope SF has some fight in it.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 10:07:43 PM | message detail
I'd lend you an alt if I had one. Stupid Read-Only accounts.

On the note of SSB getting back up to 58%, I'm going to bed.

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transience | Posted 7/22/2006 10:08:05 PM | message detail
and I think SSBM/SSB would have some brutal SFF... like 80/20 type.
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Tai | Posted 7/22/2006 10:08:22 PM | message detail
SMB/SSB!

They both have "Mario" in it's name! You just can't beat that these days.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 10:08:35 PM | message detail
I'm thinking SMB/SSB. Metroid seems much weaker than SSB, and you're not going to get that much SFF when you're already that weak and your opponent is that strong.

In a direct matchup, with SFF, who could know how it goes? But indirectly their performances would almost certainly be close to identical.

*sigh* I hate to write this judgement off as bias, but there's no way this is true...
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 10:08:46 PM | message detail
I'd lend you an alt if it weren't for bad history, heh.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 10:09:31 PM | message detail
They both have "Mario" in it's name!

Try again.
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HaRRicH | Posted 7/22/2006 10:09:34 PM | message detail
Alright, now let me ask this: Metroid/SSB, who's gonna win?
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SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/22/2006 10:09:55 PM | message detail
I would wager Super Smash Bros.

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steve illumina | Posted 7/22/2006 10:10:23 PM | message detail
I stand alone....

"How could it come to this??? An army of Nintendites...kiddies...everything will change...everything has changed..."

I led the Guru...

I led the Oracle...

I was one of 118 remaining 26-0 Perfects...

I was so close to leaderboard glory...so very close indeed...

"But all is not yet lost...for there is the one upset that will shake the foundations of this place...the upset so few who remain ahead of me will have even if they survive today with a win...

I beseech you SF...you MUST defeat RE...and avenge me...for the noobs will think they have won otherwise...and believe in their hearts that they have beaten me...cause I lost my precious perfect... Now swear it to me Vega that you will not fail me! Promise me Zangief...that you will show me why I believed in you! Even you, T Hawk, you must keep the solemn vow!"

If nothing else...even the grandest haters of my rhetoric must respect what I have done...and know this...the Sage of Board 8 will endure...and my moment will come...

To my loyal fans and readers of my analyses...I thank you...so much for your support and praise...and know that I am not abandoning you..as some talentless fanbabies think I will be doing as soon as I lose...I aint goin anyplace this time!

Remember, there is no shame...no regrets...in choosing what you believe in here, and not conforming to the noobwagons choices! I shall return kiddies!!!

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creativename | Posted 7/22/2006 10:10:29 PM | message detail
and you're not going to get that much SFF when you're already that weak and your opponent is that strong.

But...that's exactly when you get the worst SFF.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 10:10:29 PM | message detail
The first one who thinks SSB struggles with Pokemon gets it.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 10:11:15 PM | message detail
But...that's exactly when you get the worst SFF.

Which is why Cloud SFFed Vyse so much more than Tifa, right?
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 10:11:39 PM | message detail
Super Smash Brothers beats Metroid easily. I'm talking at least 60% here.
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transience | Posted 7/22/2006 10:12:09 PM | message detail
I'm gonna laugh if SF beats RE, just because it'd be the ultimate slap in the face. you got all the tough ones right and went for the Sonic upset which turned into an Ulti-style blowout.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 10:12:54 PM | message detail
Street Fighter beating Resident Evil would be awesome.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 10:12:56 PM | message detail
Or when Mega Man SFFed Yoshi more than Link. Or when Mario SFFed Samus more than Link. Or...
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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/22/2006 10:12:59 PM | message detail
Hey, steve actually posted. Great job with that 21-match win streak, man.

I'd lend you an alt if it weren't for bad history, heh.

Are you referring to my spotty moderation history or some sort of bad history between us? I'd understand the former, but the latter would hurt my feelings. =(
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 10:13:46 PM | message detail
I think he means his own history with lending alts, but what do I know...?
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Tai | Posted 7/22/2006 10:14:40 PM | message detail
lol @ Steve. XD
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