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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 324
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| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 9:31:05 PM | message detail |
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CJ did indeed have big support. I just know one thing: Next time Ness
goes up against a newcomer, I'm picking him. I don't care who it is.
>_> --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| MnMZero | Posted 7/22/2006 9:31:17 PM | message detail |
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I didn't say that it was ALL SFF... I just said a tad of it is making Sonic look slightly worse. --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Mega Man X in Best. Series. Ever. Contest |
| _Seer_ | Posted 7/22/2006 9:31:28 PM | message detail |
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I think that, even if SSB was the one who was SFFed, it would still be
beating Sonic. Sonic is average tier, SSB is wat too much for Sonic. --- DEFENCE, DEFENCE Seeraamaazu |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 9:31:39 PM | message detail |
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Mario/Samus ended up around 60/40 or so, and I didn't hear anyone
*dare* suggest that match wasn't SFF. In fact, there was so much SFF
there that Samus had to be raised nearly equal to Mario (but not above him, oh God no never above him that would make no sense). --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/22/2006 9:32:01 PM | message detail |
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No, it's because those games were played by the same generation. Considering the divisions were divided by generations and that was one of the...what, four matches in that division that had the games from separate systems (not even sharing so much as a port), you would think it had LESS of a shared fanbase. Hell, I believe lots more people believe Sonic 2 suffered lots more SFF than Secret of Mana suffered against Chrono Trigger...and to me, that notion is ridiculous. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| cyko | Posted 7/22/2006 9:32:08 PM | message detail |
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so, who else thinks that we won't be seeing steve illumina until the next contest? >_> --- "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women...." - Homer Simpson |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 7/22/2006 9:32:26 PM | message detail |
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I recall CJ having IMMENSE support from the board.... Yeah, but he was untested and everyone was curious as to what strength Ness gets from SSB. That, and CJ's picture made him look like Dave Chappelle. --- Today's subliminal thought is: |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 9:32:29 PM | message detail |
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Ness v. Barret gogogo --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:32:35 PM | message detail |
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Hey, I thought Kirby > Samus made perfect sense myself (because it's true!). I didn't see any reason for an adjustment. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| creativename | Posted 7/22/2006 9:32:53 PM | message detail |
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I didn't say that it was ALL SFF... I just said a tad of it is making Sonic look slightly worse. I know, I just don't think it's worth mentioning. I'd say the picture is having more impact on this match than SFF, even. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 9:33:02 PM | message detail |
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From Karma Hunter Posted 7/22/2006 9:32:29 PM Ness v. Barret gogogo NESS GAMEFAQS ES RACIST LOOK AT CJ --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/22/2006 9:33:11 PM | message detail |
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Considering the divisions were divided by generations and that was one of the...what, four matches in that division that had the games from separate systems (not even sharing so much as a port), you would think it had LESS of a shared fanbase. Hell, I believe lots more people believe Sonic 2 suffered lots more SFF than Secret of Mana suffered against Chrono Trigger...and to me, that notion is ridiculous. Well, for whatever reason, Sonic acts strangely against Mario and company. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:34:17 PM | message detail |
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you would think it had LESS of a shared fanbase. You shouldn't think that. How many people out there do you think haven't played a Sonic game? I don't think it'd be high? Plus, the Genesis actually outsold the SNES in America. I would imagine there were plenty of people who owned both (I did). --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| MnMZero | Posted 7/22/2006 9:34:20 PM | message detail |
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In fact, there was so much SFF there that Samus had to be raised
nearly equal to Mario (but not above him, oh God no never above him
that would make no sense). Well I wouldn't take Samus to beat Crono the way Mario did. That was the main reason why I was against adjusting Samus above Mario. Mario just looked genuinely stronger in that contest. --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Mega Man X in Best. Series. Ever. Contest |
| gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/22/2006 9:35:49 PM | message detail |
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Super Smash Bros. currently has about 58%. What percentage would it have if Ice Climbers, Mr. Game & Watch, and Pichu occupied the picture? --- Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your WOOOOOOOOORLD!!! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 9:35:55 PM | message detail |
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Samus being above Mario is ridiculous, and I picked Samus>Mario. I
don't care how much SFF Samus recieved, you don't put someone who lost
a match above the character they lost to. --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| creativename | Posted 7/22/2006 9:36:00 PM | message detail |
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Mario/Samus ended up around 60/40 or so, and I didn't hear anyone
*dare* suggest that match wasn't SFF. In fact, there was so much SFF
there that Samus had to be raised nearly equal to Mario (but not above
him, oh God no never above him that would make no sense). Uh...duh? We already knew for fact how strong Samus really was, roughly speaking. The match was blatantly SFF, no one would argue this. There is no data here, thus no reason to bring up unsupported stuff. Just as much reason to credit pic factor as SFF, or simply intrinsic strength. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| _Seer_ | Posted 7/22/2006 9:37:21 PM | message detail |
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!!! What are you guys talking about? How could you put Samus above Mario? That's the craziest ****ing thing I've ever heard. --- DEFENCE, DEFENCE Seeraamaazu |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/22/2006 9:37:43 PM | message detail |
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So do you guys think we'll actually get a character contest right after
this? And if we do, how do you think the bracket will be? I hope it's
as unpredictable as last year's... --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 9:39:17 PM | message detail |
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But *why* wouldn't you take Samus > Crono by that much? Personal expecations? Let's look at her track record for 2k5. Blowout against Yuri, untested ultra-fodder. Blowout against Frog, super-overrated (but if he wasn't, you get something like Samus > Link or whatever) Blowout against Ganondorf, got more than Sephy but some probable SFF (meaning it's unreliable) So three matches, where it's either unreliable or SFF rears its ugly head. And Mario was the same up until Samus, the Zero match that was so 'eye-opening' for people has been tagged with SFF along with everything else. So what's to say Samus couldn't do the same thing had she been given the chance? Samus 2k4 beats Crono 2k4 with 53%. If she benefits at all from the Ninty boost, her matching Mario is quite possible. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:39:18 PM | message detail |
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There will be a Character Contest after this, hopefully fairly soon.
CJayC proved that you could still make a good bracket even after all
these years. The setup is important. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/22/2006 9:39:28 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, but you shouldn't be able to call for SFF when there's not so
much of a sign that Sonic should have really done better. I ask you to
look back at my analysis and, when applicable, replace Halo with
KH...and knowing KH got around 51.3% I think (not sure), tell me how
this isn't reasonable. Shocking, maybe, but it's nowhere near
unreasonable, especially since Sonic will probably rise a lil' more
anyway. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 9:39:38 PM | message detail |
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Knowing Ceej, nominations will begin a week after this contest ends,
the bracket will be up two months after that, and the contest will
start next summer. --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/22/2006 9:40:20 PM | message detail |
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Sadly, I doubt CJayC will run the Character Contest from start to finish before Twilight Princess. --- Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your WOOOOOOOOORLD!!! |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:40:35 PM | message detail |
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Actually, last year's summer contest started much sooner than anyone anticipated. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 9:41:23 PM | message detail |
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Sadly, I doubt CJayC will run the Character Contest from start to finish before Twilight Princess. Now you're just being disingenuous. =P --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| creativename | Posted 7/22/2006 9:43:05 PM | message detail |
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I doubt Ceej will schedule the contest around a game's release date, nor should he. There's always games coming out. And the nominations could start a week after, or the contest could be much delayed after this one. It's unpredictable, and Ceej himself probably doesn't know; it likely depends on his future workload. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| _Seer_ | Posted 7/22/2006 9:44:02 PM | message detail |
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No no no, I wanna know about this. Why would Samus be above Mario? She was beat by Mario bad. Samus being above Mario is insane. --- DEFENCE, DEFENCE Seeraamaazu |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:44:27 PM | message detail |
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The only reason why is because she was noticeably above him the year before. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 9:44:33 PM | message detail |
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I love how lots of people are just calling SSB SSBM. It's true. This is pretty much SSBM beating down the entire Sonic series. --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 9:45:19 PM | message detail |
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Uh...duh? We already knew for fact how strong Samus really was, roughly speaking. The match was blatantly SFF, no one would argue this. But not rSFF, of course. No way Mario beats Samus in 2k4, he's clearly weaker! There is no data here, thus no reason to bring up unsupported stuff. Except common sense. We had no data for the Games Contest, and yet MGS2 > MGS tipped off a whole lot of people as to something being wrong with the results as a whole. You don't need data when it's obvious. Just as much reason to credit pic factor as SFF, or simply intrinsic strength. I don't care what you call it, it isn't right. DMC is not on par with DQ, and no matter what anyone says it's not happening. It's the same argument and the same pitfalls, and the same people are making them all over again. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/22/2006 9:46:05 PM | message detail |
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Might be a bit tough to believe, but I am being sincere. Link may be my
favorite character, but it's getting more and more difficult to get
unpredictable matches in the later rounds. I'd trade a possible Link
loss for a real crusher of a match that divides the board. --- Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your WOOOOOOOOORLD!!! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 9:46:09 PM | message detail |
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Holy crap at Sonic's update. It managed to do really well that time. --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| _Seer_ | Posted 7/22/2006 9:46:45 PM | message detail |
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IIRC, Samus vs. Mario has happened once, and Mario obliterated Samus. Putting Samus above Mario because she might be above him the year before is just stupid. I don't claim to be a contest expert, but c'mon. --- DEFENCE, DEFENCE Seeraamaazu |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:46:52 PM | message detail |
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Relatively well. It's the first time SSB hasn't increased its lead by at least 100. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| MasterOfHunters | Posted 7/22/2006 9:47:03 PM | message detail |
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Why would Samus be above Mario? She was beat by Mario bad. Samus being above Mario is insane. Not that I agree with Samus > Mario, or even Samus = Mario right now, it is always a possibility. She can lose to Mario and still fare better against other characters than Mario himself would. Relative strength of a character shouldn't be judged solely from 1 on 1 matches, especially SFF'd matches. --- bnet ID: KailaYu |
| MnMZero | Posted 7/22/2006 9:47:07 PM | message detail |
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The only reason why is because she was noticeably above him the year before. I still say Mario/Crono III was an anomaly. He looked weak enough there to have people debating whether Sonic could take him out. --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Mega Man X in Best. Series. Ever. Contest |
| Tai | Posted 7/22/2006 9:47:09 PM | message detail |
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Only a 78 vote gain. --- http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=579987 - Wanna report a TOS violation? Go to Snack Attack and we can help! |
| creativename | Posted 7/22/2006 9:47:37 PM | message detail |
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It's true. This is pretty much SSBM beating down the entire Sonic series. Not at all. SSB was wildly successful. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/22/2006 9:48:25 PM | message detail |
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I come back from finally seeing Pirates of the Carribean 2, and see SSB is whoopin that ass? Huh, interesting. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 9:48:39 PM | message detail |
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SSB was successfull, but on GameFAQs I would imagine SSBM being much more popular. --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:49:42 PM | message detail |
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I suppose Mario/Crono III could have been an anomaly, though I wonder.
Crono looked genuinely stronger (after all, he faced Link head on, and
that strength carried over to 2005), and Mario appeared to be around
the same level of strength he had been at before. Still, I guess it's
possible Crono got more votes because people were just sick and tired
of the matchup. Or...maybe it's the "Character Who's On Top Factor!" The winner of Mario/Crono has always been the top option! --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/22/2006 9:50:07 PM | message detail |
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I definitely think the original Smash would be successful in another
Games Contest. Doubt I'm in the majority with that opinion, though. --- Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your WOOOOOOOOORLD!!! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 9:50:13 PM | message detail |
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I still say Mario/Crono III was an anomaly. He looked weak enough
there to have people debating whether Sonic could take him out. They're not necessarily joined at the hip, you know. Sonic 2k5 looks like he could take out Mario 2k4 and Mario 2k3. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| creativename | Posted 7/22/2006 9:52:08 PM | message detail |
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I have no interest in getting involved in this Samus>Mario debate
(there's a reason I ignored it the first time around, it cannot be
reasonably justified), but who can know how Samus/Mario would've gone a
year before? All we have is pure speculation. Mario might've been able
to beat Samus in 2K4, yet it's clear enough that Mario wasn't at his
best in 2K4, and on a pseudo-rampage in 2k5. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| _Seer_ | Posted 7/22/2006 9:52:17 PM | message detail |
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If you had a Super Smash Brothers Melee vs. the Sonic series, who would win? SSBM --- DEFENCE, DEFENCE Seeraamaazu |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 9:52:18 PM | message detail |
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And let's say that ostensibly next year Mario and Samus were to go out
in non-anomalous matches to similar opponents -- Mario losing against
Cloud, Samus losing against Sephiroth, and both Cloud and Sephy losing
to Link. Samus ends up above Mario. Would anyone honestly take Samus to
win the following year? --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/22/2006 9:52:36 PM | message detail |
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I wonder if anybody still have the nerve to argue with me when I say I
don't think any Sonic game would break 40% against SSBM..... --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/22/2006 9:52:55 PM | message detail |
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And jeez, I just saw the prediction percentage from the last match. What happened there? --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| _Seer_ | Posted 7/22/2006 9:53:30 PM | message detail |
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Nobody would. --- DEFENCE, DEFENCE Seeraamaazu |