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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 324
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| gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/22/2006 9:16:54 PM | message detail |
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Ya, we were debating between mainly Metal Gear and SSB for a while.
While Metal Gear will almost certainly gain the #4 spot on the stats,
that in no way guarantees it as the fourth strongest series. --- Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your WOOOOOOOOORLD!!! |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:17:03 PM | message detail |
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Honestly, just because Sonic is losing here doesn't mean the sheer
amount of games and the diversity of fanbase is an incorrect statement
or was wrong to even think. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| _Seer_ | Posted 7/22/2006 9:17:17 PM | message detail |
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Truth be told, Sonic and his games just aren't that strong in the contest. They had Shadow and that's it. They're like the Cubs. Wait, SSB goes up against SMB next?! Noooo! --- DEFENCE, DEFENCE Seeraamaazu |
| charmander6000 | Posted 7/22/2006 9:17:32 PM | message detail |
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The only Sonic game on the Top 100 was at #38. Sonic 2 was
slaughtered by SMW. NOTHING is pointing to Sonic being a powerhouse
series. It was the only one on the list. --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/22/2006 9:17:33 PM | message detail |
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The only Sonic game on the Top 100 was at #38. Sonic 2 was
slaughtered by SMW. NOTHING is pointing to Sonic being a powerhouse
series. That is the absolute worst argument you could come up with. Sonic 2 not being many people's favorite Sonic game is completely plausible. It was the only Sonic game on the drop down list, which was essentially a requirement to make the Top 100. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| ccbfan | Posted 7/22/2006 9:17:35 PM | message detail |
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Wow, it looks like I'm gonna be perfect all the way until the finals
when my stupidity kicks in and my Zelda pick brings me down. Doesn't
matter if I picked FF though since I guess the final score to be in the
60 thousands. I bet over 10 people will have perfects. Would be nice to have a perfect bracket though. Only other one remaining I can even imagine that might bite me back is RE>SF. Kinda wish that happens since SF is my favorite series ever, plus I won't feel so bad about picking zelda. |
| cyko | Posted 7/22/2006 9:17:39 PM | message detail |
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Or--God forbid--Sonic games just aren't that strong! *gasp* *GASP!!!!* that's what i've said all along. --- "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women...." - Homer Simpson |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 7/22/2006 9:17:55 PM | message detail |
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Wait, SSB goes up against SMB next?! Noooo! It'll be SFF-erific at least. --- Today's subliminal thought is: |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/22/2006 9:18:04 PM | message detail |
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NOTHING is pointing to Sonic being a powerhouse series. Except for, ya know, Sonic. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 9:18:32 PM | message detail |
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And Mega Man got *nothing* on the Top Ten list, and look at it. This is
simply comparing DMC and DQ -- leave Sonic out of it. If you think DMC
is anywhere close to DQ, you're blind. It's like thinking Soul Calibur
could possibly hang with MGS2, or any sort of other ridiculous thinking
caused by X-Stats blinders. It's stupid. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| creativename | Posted 7/22/2006 9:18:34 PM | message detail |
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I doubt there's any notable SFF in this. Maybe couple insignificant points of it. And in terms of extrapolation, you really have to get into true blowout (doubling or worse) level before SFF adjustments start making trickle-down differences, like for DMC here. DMC is just weak. Or--God forbid--Sonic games just aren't that strong! *gasp* The only Sonic game on the Top 100 was at #38. Sonic 2 was slaughtered by SMW. NOTHING is pointing to Sonic being a powerhouse series. Sonic 2 vs. SMW screamed SFF. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/22/2006 9:18:36 PM | message detail |
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Unless Street Fighter gets the upset, this will end up as the most predictable contest of all time. --- Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your WOOOOOOOOORLD!!! |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/22/2006 9:19:00 PM | message detail |
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I know with sff it won't directly be there. But we're usually smart
enough to look past sff and determine a semi valid result. I was under
the impression that, accounting for sff, smash still wasn't seen as in
the running. Seeing as we have nothing to adjust the stats with, we've been talking about who will finish 4th in the stats. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 7/22/2006 9:19:26 PM | message detail |
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Unless Street Fighter gets the upset, this will end up as the most predictable contest of all time. The Villains contest still holds the title of "most predictable champion" ever, though. --- Today's subliminal thought is: |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/22/2006 9:19:40 PM | message detail |
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How much does SSB need to get in order for Dragon Quest o be > than Devil May Cry? --- ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:20:03 PM | message detail |
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Most predictable contest of all time? We had three matches that have
had very low prediction percentages and the board has been horribly
burned many times. SC2K4 was the easiest. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 7/22/2006 9:21:04 PM | message detail |
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SC2K4 was the easiest. The Villains contest was much more predictable. Aside from Master Hand and Diablo the entire thing was a cakewalk. --- Today's subliminal thought is: |
| gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/22/2006 9:21:28 PM | message detail |
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Eh, I'm referring more to the board and the actual contest seedings.
We've only had two upsets, and it looks like every 1 and 2-seed will
make it to the Elite 8. --- Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your WOOOOOOOOORLD!!! |
| Slowflake | Posted 7/22/2006 9:21:38 PM | message detail |
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SC2K4 was even easier than the villain contest. The only match we
crashed and burned on was Sora/Hayabusa. AND IT WAS A 64-ENTRY BRACKET. --- Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:22:07 PM | message detail |
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Aside from Master Hand and Diablo the entire thing was a cakewalk. Sora was the only surprise in SC2K4, and we really should've seen it coming. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| FFDragon | Posted 7/22/2006 9:22:12 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, but there was Diablo and Hand and they burned everyone big. SC2K4 was the most predictable. --- Married to PepsiPlunge June 01, 2005: HERO'S PLUNGE! (Metal Gear Solid 2) |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/22/2006 9:22:12 PM | message detail |
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The Villains contest was much more predictable. Aside from Master Hand and Diablo the entire thing was a cakewalk. As opposed to SC2K4, where aside from Sora, everything was a cakewalk. And the contest was twice as big too. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/22/2006 9:22:15 PM | message detail |
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The Villains contest was much more predictable. Aside from Master Hand and Diablo the entire thing was a cakewalk. *Predicted both paths correctly* Damn you Andross and Wesker! --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| CompmanJX3 | Posted 7/22/2006 9:22:25 PM | message detail |
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2k4 was pretty easy, but there were still upsets and there were no
perfects, and given that Cloud and Link had each won once the final was
up in the air (granted, contrary to most of you, I feel the same way
about this final). Granted, 2k4 had twice as many matches for people to
be wrong about, but this contest is still fairly predictable and there
will probably be at least one perfect no matter what combination of
reasonable outcomes happens. --- Support Captain Falcon! |
| Slowflake | Posted 7/22/2006 9:22:32 PM | message detail |
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Oh, and Joe/Tails. But that's it. --- Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/22/2006 9:23:41 PM | message detail |
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Oh, and Joe/Tails. To this day, I still can't understand how anyone thought Joe could win that match. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/22/2006 9:23:44 PM | message detail |
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Heh, I forget about SC2K4 from time to time, probably subconsciously.
My worst contest of all, that bastard was. But ya, the Summer 2004
contest was pretty freaking predictable. --- Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your WOOOOOOOOORLD!!! |
| creativename | Posted 7/22/2006 9:23:54 PM | message detail |
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I don't understand what's so hard to comprehend DMC being a pseudo-chump. DQ giving DMC a match is fairly sensible in hindsight. I wouldn't have expected it beforehand, but it's not shocking or anything. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/22/2006 9:24:16 PM | message detail |
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The only Sonic game on the Top 100 was at #38. Sonic 2 was
slaughtered by SMW. NOTHING is pointing to Sonic being a powerhouse
series. Except Sonic, Knuckles, and Shadow. That said, I agree with ya -- Sonic never had any clear favorite in its series, Sonic 2 dropped the ball against SMW and the only reason for SFF was "It's a rivalry!", having a sole Sonic game in the drop-down box (which is possibly THE fave of the series) only be at #38, having one of the least-favored transitions from 2D to 3D as far as major long-standing series go (we know the SA2B performance in the GC-GotY poll, and SSBM > LoZ:WW > MP >> SA2B), and Sega in general not being a particular favorite company (MAYBE top five) is just bad news for the icon. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| _Seer_ | Posted 7/22/2006 9:24:27 PM | message detail |
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I wonder what the toughest opponent Sonic could actually beat is. Also, SSB vs. SMB is terrible. SSB coulda done somethin' in the contest! Grah. Oh well. --- DEFENCE, DEFENCE Seeraamaazu |
| gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/22/2006 9:24:37 PM | message detail |
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Ness/Jak also had people split, IIRC. Oh, and DK/Vivi. Hmm... MAYBE I WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG. --- Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your WOOOOOOOOORLD!!! |
| Slowflake | Posted 7/22/2006 9:24:42 PM | message detail |
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From Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/23/2006 12:23:41 AM | #226 Oh, and Joe/Tails. To this day, I still can't understand how anyone thought Joe could win that match. Tails being behind Mario/Cloud and Cloud/Auron definitely didn't help. If Tails was as weak as these two matches pegged him, he would've lost for sure. --- Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:25:01 PM | message detail |
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To this day, I still can't understand how anyone thought Joe could win that match. Probably a bit of a mentality that Tails just couldn't win. And Tails being underestimated due to SC2K2 and SC2K3. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| FFDragon | Posted 7/22/2006 9:25:32 PM | message detail |
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Over 1000 now. --- Married to PepsiPlunge June 01, 2005: HERO'S PLUNGE! (Metal Gear Solid 2) |
| creativename | Posted 7/22/2006 9:26:24 PM | message detail |
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and the only reason for SFF was "It's a rivalry!" No, it's because those games were played by the same generation. That is a pretty textbook "same fanbase" scenario, along with franchise and genre. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 7/22/2006 9:26:36 PM | message detail |
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Tails was seen as weak (though he was always placed against top-tier
characters) and Viewtiful Joe was completely untested. So, there were a
lot of people that guessed wrong. --- Today's subliminal thought is: |
| MnMZero | Posted 7/22/2006 9:26:37 PM | message detail |
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Honestly, just because Sonic is losing here doesn't mean the sheer
amount of games and the diversity of fanbase is an incorrect statement
or was wrong to even think Did you see me say that it was incorrect or wrong to think? I simply said I didn't see that as a big advantage over Super Smash Bros. I always thought that Sonic's weaknesses counterbalanced its "diversity". A glaring weakness for Sonic is that it basically went AWOL during arguably the most popular gaming generation in the 32-64 bit era. And that so happens to be the era when SSB was established. Sonic doesn't have the same advantages of Castlevania, which has been pretty consistent and had its biggest game in the 32-64 bit era. Plus, as I said, I think a helping of SFF is giving SSB more of an edge. --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Mega Man X in Best. Series. Ever. Contest |
| DaruniaTheGoron | Posted 7/22/2006 9:26:49 PM | message detail |
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SC2k4 was pretty easy. I would have been top 100 had I picked Link instead of Cloud, and I usually do awful in these contests. --- Sp2k6: 24/26 Rank: Tied for 752nd Losses: Halo, GTA Yesterday's Pick: Mario Today: SSB Tomorrow: FF |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:26:57 PM | message detail |
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I didn't find Vivi/DK to be that big of a deal. People just underestimated Vivi, that's all. DK was and still is a chump. Ness/Jak was debatable, I admit. The only thing that burned me was not foreseeing Bowser/Ness SFF because Jak was exactly where I pegged him to be. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 9:27:17 PM | message detail |
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DQ giving DMC a match is fairly sensible in hindsight. No, it's not. What on earth could POSSIBLY give you that idea? The fact that we've had virtually no DQ presence -- hell it wasn't even named DQ until recently -- in the US until DQVIII? The fact that as 'greater than the sum of its parts' Dante may be, he is still popular because of DMC and is pretty damn strong as a result? I cannot see a single argument for DMC being even close to DQ. Chump, sure. But not Dragon Quest chump. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 7/22/2006 9:27:41 PM | message detail |
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That, and the 3D Sonic games haven't really given the series the "boost" it needs. --- Today's subliminal thought is: |
| Slowflake | Posted 7/22/2006 9:27:48 PM | message detail |
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Vivi was the huge board favorite, and Tidus/Shadow and Ness/Jak were split right down the middle. --- Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego |
| Janus5000 | Posted 7/22/2006 9:28:21 PM | message detail |
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*comes back from KH2 addiction to see ste- Sonic losing* Ah, no wonder Sonic and Tails aren't in SSBM - it doesn't like them. >_> --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
| cyko | Posted 7/22/2006 9:28:31 PM | message detail |
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even though Sonicc is taking HUGE chunks out of SSB's percentage, SSB
has hit the 1000 vote lead in a mere 25 minutes. Sonic might be able to
break 45% before this is over, but Sonic's not coming back. --- "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women...." - Homer Simpson |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 9:28:39 PM | message detail |
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To this day, I still call Tidus/Shadow the most obvious close match ever. But for all the wrong reasons. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| SonicRaptor | Posted 7/22/2006 9:29:28 PM | message detail |
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Ah yes, those that picked Shadow pointed to his 45% performance on
Mario as proof he could beat Tidus. Instead Tidus held a thin lead to
edge past Shadow. Ness/Jak was hard, as was Ness/CJ that following year. Split right down the middle. --- Today's subliminal thought is: |
| creativename | Posted 7/22/2006 9:29:35 PM | message detail |
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Plus, as I said, I think a helping of SFF is giving SSB more of an edge. This match is going to finish in the 56%-60% range. Just how much SFF could there be? Unlikely to be more than a couple points; let's say 4-5 points at absolute maximum. Given how uncertain the existence of it at all is, it's not really worth mentioning. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Slowflake | Posted 7/22/2006 9:29:44 PM | message detail |
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It's hilarious how we all thought they were both powerhouses, and they turned out to be very, very meh. --- Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego |
| dethfdddddh | Posted 7/22/2006 9:30:19 PM | message detail |
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I recall CJ having IMMENSE support from the board.... --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/22/2006 9:31:04 PM | message detail |
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I still call Ryu vs Sonic the most surprising relative-blowout of all time. What? >>;; --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |