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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/22/2006 2:17:33 PM | message detail
SSB has the character advantage, though

Heh, people are going to be voting for characters as opposed to series here just because the big three Nintendo characters are in it? The picture isn't so ridiculously one-sided as FFX/SSBM was to skew the results, I think. If you're a Sonic fan, chances are you're going to like Sonic's side of the picture.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/22/2006 2:18:34 PM | message detail
I'd take SSB over Mario Kart, but it would be a lot closer than most think.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/22/2006 2:18:49 PM | message detail
but it really is not that popular to beat what is currently (as in, this gen) Nintendo's best selling series.

Heh, if SSBM didn't have a couple years' head start on Double Dash, it probably wouldn't be the best-selling GameCube game. Mario Kart games outsell Zelda games here.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/22/2006 2:21:41 PM | message detail
Also, for the SMB > FF supporters, Warcraft would have to defeat Diablo with 62.85% in order for the two to be equal (likely without the effects of rallying thrown in). I don't think Warcraft would even come close to that with rallying.
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Mister Mario | Posted 7/22/2006 2:30:48 PM | message detail
The picture advantage is the least of your worries, Sonic fans. How about you start worrying about the Nintendo advantage? How about the fact that Sonic always seems to do well until he absolutely jobs it to a Nintendo game?

In other words, stop talking about the god damn picture, for Christ's sake. I can't believe we're back to pictures meaning a God damn thing all of a sudden. Arggggggggh.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/22/2006 2:34:04 PM | message detail
At the 17:30 mark, this match has 95505 votes. To compare with other matches at the same time:

Mario/Madden - 92454
GTA/Warcraft - 101263
SSB/DQ - 94183
FF/Diablo - 99207

Hmmm...I would've expected vote totals to be a bit higher.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/22/2006 2:34:47 PM | message detail
Surprising to see the vote totals lagging a bit behind FF/Diablo.

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Draco1214 | Posted 7/22/2006 2:35:14 PM | message detail
In other words, stop talking about the god damn picture, for Christ's sake. I can't believe we're back to pictures meaning a God damn thing all of a sudden.

Uh...if anything, I've been arguing against the picture doing anything for tomorrow's match.
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/22/2006 2:36:05 PM | message detail
I guess Mario's not doing too good.
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FFDragon | Posted 7/22/2006 2:37:24 PM | message detail
This match has less votes because WoW forums know that even with rallying, they have no chance, so they don't rally, and there is a visible drop in votals.
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Mister Mario | Posted 7/22/2006 2:37:26 PM | message detail
Not aimed at anyone speciffically, Draco. Just the general, 500 page discussion of pictures we have going on in here.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/22/2006 2:37:55 PM | message detail
How about the fact that Sonic always seems to do well until he absolutely jobs it to a Nintendo game?

Shadow would like a word with you.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/22/2006 2:39:06 PM | message detail
But this match is comparable to FF/Diablo, and it's wayyyy behind that.
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ccbfan | Posted 7/22/2006 2:44:26 PM | message detail
That cause its not a Tueday(when WOW servers go down for updates so many WOW players go to forums). Plus the fact that their not point of rally. Warcraft is gonna lose anyway.

WC is pretty weak with no rallying seeing the vote totals so far.

With no rallying

Starcraft>Diablo>Warcraft

Heck even with rally, I'm not sure all the new voters would vote Warcraft over Diablo or Starcraft. Most of the WOW players I know would stop playing WOW and go directly to Diablo 3 when that comes out.
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/22/2006 2:50:38 PM | message detail
Which is why I don't think GTA is *quite* as weak as this match would indicate, although it's not anything significant.
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ccbfan | Posted 7/22/2006 2:53:16 PM | message detail
GTA would probably beat WC 6 out of 7 days.

Too bad for GTA, their match happened on that one day.
Slowflake | Posted 7/22/2006 3:04:27 PM | message detail
BUY OR SELL: The Zelda/MMX result wasn't SFF, it was just Zelda being really dominant.

I still say sell, though seeing Mario trounce Warcraft in such a fashion makes the opposite tempting.
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Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego
Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/22/2006 3:05:49 PM | message detail
With no rallying

Starcraft>Diablo>Warcraft


Series > Game.

The way I see it:

With no WoW:

Diablo > Warcraft > Starcraft

With WoW:

Warcraft > Diablo > Starcraft.

Rallying is not an issue in determining those rankings. WoW is hardly the biggest game ever here, but it does have some natural strength.
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Rodri316 | Posted 7/22/2006 3:08:28 PM | message detail
Zelda vs. MMX isn't SFF, that's redunkulous
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/22/2006 3:10:27 PM | message detail
Honestly, when you get to something as expansive as an entire series, more than likely, you're going to have overlap of some kind.
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Samurai7 | Posted 7/22/2006 3:11:14 PM | message detail
With no WoW:

Diablo > Warcraft > Starcraft


I agree with the with WoW.... but I highly doubt WC>SC
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FFDragon | Posted 7/22/2006 3:28:22 PM | message detail
I see Warcraft being the weakest of the three.
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/22/2006 3:42:45 PM | message detail
Individual games:

Starcraft > Diablo 2 > World of Warcraft > Warcraft 3 > Diablo > Warcraft 2 > Warcraft

Looking at individual games, that's how I see it going. I sincerely doubt that SC could beat the entire WC series, though.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/22/2006 3:44:03 PM | message detail
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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/22/2006 3:44:44 PM | message detail
I just realized something. We've seen five Blizzard entries in these contests. Had a predictor sided with Blizzard each of those times, his choice would have met or (greatly) exceeded expectations four of those times. For all the flack that Blizzard gets about being overrated and feared just because of Starcraft, going 4-1 in the Elated/Disappointed meter is pretty damn good.
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FFDragon | Posted 7/22/2006 4:07:05 PM | message detail
lol Kerrigan
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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/22/2006 4:14:39 PM | message detail
yes, lol kerrigan
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SonicRaptor | Posted 7/22/2006 4:17:56 PM | message detail
StarCraft > Diablo > WarCraft

That's how I'm seeing it, though I bet WoW might challenge StarCraft.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/22/2006 5:34:30 PM | message detail
The vote totals for this match seem rather low in comparison to the Big Three's other matches (sans Zelda/Civ of course).
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Tai | Posted 7/22/2006 6:37:15 PM | message detail
BUY OR SELL: The Zelda/MMX result wasn't SFF, it was just Zelda being really dominant.

Pfft, Buy. You wanna give MMX SFF points for sucking too badly like Magus did?

MAGUS/KNUCKLES
MAGUS/KNUCKLES
MAGUS/KNUCKLES
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 6:37:59 PM | message detail
Could you have made a worse correlation?
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MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/22/2006 6:44:18 PM | message detail
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Slowflake | Posted 7/22/2006 6:54:21 PM | message detail
I don't get it either. What does MMX have to do with Magus?
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Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego
Tai | Posted 7/22/2006 6:55:25 PM | message detail
I meant the possibility of MMX being moved up in a possible SFF-adjusted stats like Magus was....
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 6:57:52 PM | message detail
It doesn't particularly matter if we adjust Mega Man X or not. This stats won't have any use for anything else. If, by chance, we actually DO have a second Series Contest, the stats will likely be so outdated that it'd be pointless to use them.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/22/2006 6:59:20 PM | message detail
Magus faced Crono. Jesus. He was SFFed there, just not to the extent we thought he was.
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Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego
Team Rocket Elite | Posted 7/22/2006 7:09:31 PM | message detail
I meant the possibility of MMX being moved up in a possible SFF-adjusted stats like Magus was.....

Magus was overrated due his his battle with Link not Crono.
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rpgapzx | Posted 7/22/2006 7:09:39 PM | message detail
Leon:

Could you have made a worse correlation?
If there is one thing that diminishes the awesomeness of Magus/Knux, it is that that match has become the posterboy of any voting shifts whatsoever, oftentimes incorrectly.

It doesn't particularly matter if we adjust Mega Man X or not. This stats won't have any use for anything else. If, by chance, we actually DO have a second Series Contest, the stats will likely be so outdated that it'd be pointless to use them.

I agree that the stats won't matter that much but it's not because the stats will be outdated, but rather that MMX isn't ahead of much in the bracket and we have MM as a helpful indicator.
Even granted the debate of their varying strengths, we know more or less that MM can't be too far off. Additionally, if the 32 man bracket helps us with anything, it's that there is less transitvity to worry about, and Suikoden is the only thing behind that 4 pack.

Lastly, if we have a series contest in let's say 2 years from now, I think most of the stats shifts due to game releases/appearence (without accounting for shifts in the voting population) will be relatively minor. Many of the big powerhouses, Zelda, FF, MM, CV, etc. and the best standing example, Mario, have been well ingrained into video game history. Only newer series will face larger effects and it would be relatively minor compared to let's say, characters.


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steve illumina | Posted 7/22/2006 7:13:45 PM | message detail
2 more hours! Sonic Legions...please heed my call!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 7:15:40 PM | message detail
Well, with the amount of new games for all of these series that will inevitably come out before we even think about another Series Contest (Twilight Princess, FFXII and maybe FFXIII, Super Mario Galaxy, Sonic the Hedgehog, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, Metal Gear Solid 4, Devil May Cry 4, Grand Theft Auto IV, Halo 3, Metroid Prime 3, Pokemon Diamond/Pearl, maybe Kingdom Hearts III, and maybe Resident Evil 5), the stats won't have a lot of bearing on things.

Sure, the Big Three will still be above everything else and the ordering there will still be the same, but underneath, I'd say it'd be more up for grabs.
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FFDragon | Posted 7/22/2006 7:18:25 PM | message detail
Don't worry steve, if Sonic doesn't fail you, Street Fighter will !!
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Tai | Posted 7/22/2006 7:27:18 PM | message detail
Lol @ poor Steve :-)
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Sir Chris | Posted 7/22/2006 7:28:02 PM | message detail
Sonic won't fail him, but Street Fighter will.

And thus my bracket will be pleased.
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Tai | Posted 7/22/2006 7:28:27 PM | message detail
lol @ Sonic bandwagon.
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Lopen | Posted 7/22/2006 7:28:45 PM | message detail
Fear not, Steve! The only thing that can possibly stop you now is... you guessed it... SMB > FF.

... what?
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bobby200614 | Posted 7/22/2006 7:29:31 PM | message detail
Warcraft defeats Mario. Book. It.

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Tai | Posted 7/22/2006 7:31:02 PM | message detail
SBB = Nintendo + Pie and Chips
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/22/2006 7:31:29 PM | message detail
Wait...what?
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/22/2006 7:31:42 PM | message detail
Sonic > SSB
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Tai | Posted 7/22/2006 7:31:44 PM | message detail
KH > MG
SSB > Sonic
SMB > FF bandwagon = http://bastards.alexconnect.net/1part/404.html

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