GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 320
This Topic has been marked closed. No additional messages may be posted.
| creativename | Posted 7/20/2006 7:25:57 PM | message detail |
|
Also a similar sum of squared differences analysis strongly indicates a stronger Link and Mario in SC2K5. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 7:27:38 PM | message detail |
|
From what I've seen of SC2k5, nearly *everyone* looks significantly
stronger. Sure that's due in part to no character caps, but something
seems amiss with that conclusion. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 7:28:00 PM | message detail |
|
Company caps, rather. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| ccbfan | Posted 7/20/2006 7:28:02 PM | message detail |
|
KH was huge for Squall. He went from a antisocial pompous jackass to a personality many rpger think as "cool". |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 7:29:47 PM | message detail |
|
KH was huge for Squall. Which is why there's no basis for comparison. 2k2 could have been his legitimate strength and 2k3 the result of a massive boost. I did forget Link/Samus though, so Squall and Ramza aren't as strong as I thought. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 7:30:51 PM | message detail |
|
*as close as I thought. Man, I'm off. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| creativename | Posted 7/20/2006 7:38:26 PM | message detail |
|
From what I've seen of SC2k5, nearly *everyone* looks significantly
stronger. Sure that's due in part to no character caps, but something
seems amiss with that conclusion. The notion that a group of characters got stronger was the common sense idea at the time the contest was going on, so I don't know why it would be odd that certain math supports the notion. But if you don't like the boosts and prefer a more constant Mario, just use the regular non-Base Link values. 2k2 could have been his legitimate strength and 2k3 the result of a massive boost. I did forget Link/Samus though, so Squall and Ramza aren't as strong as I thought. I'm not sure what you're getting at. 2k2 was his legit strength in 2k2, 2k3 was his legit strength in 2k3 because of a massive boost. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| creativename | Posted 7/20/2006 7:41:06 PM | message detail |
|
OK, I see what the conversation was about Squall. Yes ccbfan, you can't
directly compare Squall 2k2 with 2k3 at all, this is well known. Squall
2k2 wasn't an anomaly, it's just that things were different that year
than in subsequent years. And Squall was more different that year from
his later years, than his later years differ from each other. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 7:43:25 PM | message detail |
|
I'm not sure what you're getting at. 2k2 was his legit strength in
2k2, 2k3 was his legit strength in 2k3 because of a massive boost. There is the idea that Squall is even STRONGER than he appears in 2k3 thanks to being behind Link/Samus SFF. While KHF can account for much of the apparent boost, to many it seems unreasonable. And with Snake's overperformance on Sora and FFVII's overperformances on everything MGS, the idea of MGS and FF being linked has been made. And with that, the possibility of Snake SFFing Squall has come up. It's not widely accepted by any means (I've only seen me and Leonhart even entertain it), but I thought I'd bring it up nonetheless. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 7:46:25 PM | message detail |
|
I don't discount the idea, but it's kind of obsolete since Squall is so
much stronger at this point. the only thing it would mean is that KHF
isn't as strong as people like to think. remind me - what other characters besides Squall and Cloud are thought to be recipients of "KHF"? Aeris? --- yzzyx |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 7:46:41 PM | message detail |
|
2k2 was his legit strength in 2k2 Weren't you just the one talking about how MGS seems to have some sort of overlap with RPG fanbases? Honestly, with FFVII apparently "SFFing" MGS on two occasions and Snake "SFFing" Sora, Snake overperforming on Squall would not surprise me at all. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 7:47:21 PM | message detail |
|
what other characters besides Squall and Cloud are thought to be recipients of "KHF"? Aeris? Sephiroth. He went from ~42% on Link to being nearly equal with him. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 7:48:13 PM | message detail |
|
hmm.. well, Sephiroth just felt like being equal with Link, I guess. --- yzzyx |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 7:49:59 PM | message detail |
|
I don't discount the idea, but it's kind of obsolete since Squall is so much stronger at this point. It's not obsolete at all, if anything it means that a main contender for breaking the Noble Nine has basically no shot at all (if Snake SFFed Squall, his main fanbase is going to pull the rug on him if they meet again). If Vincent uses the FFVII > MGS chain, he could conceivably beat Snake even if he's indirectly weaker. It basically means Snake is a freaking Final Fantasy character. I remember this Four Pack from HaRRicH's board: Snake Vincent Squall Ganondorf I was the only one taking Squall > Vincent, and it was exactly for the reasons I mentioned. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 7:51:06 PM | message detail |
|
It's hard to say, but there's no doubt he was MUCH stronger in 2003.
Check out his matches against Mega Man from 2002 to 2003. The 2003
Sephiroth/Mega Man match got 26835 more votes than the 2002 version.
You know how many more individual votes Mega Man got in 2003? 28. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 7:51:51 PM | message detail |
|
It basically means Snake is a freaking Final Fantasy character. And he's about to become a Nintendo character! --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| creativename | Posted 7/20/2006 7:52:13 PM | message detail |
|
And with that, the possibility of Snake SFFing Squall has come up. Interesting, I'd never heard of that before. Not impossible but I wouldn't consider it overly sensible, since a FF7/MGS overlap is more understandable due to their release dates. But it doesn't mean much anymore anyway, and we'd have no possible way of verifying it. Not a crazy theory though. remind me - what other characters besides Squall and Cloud are thought to be recipients of "KHF"? Aeris? No, not Aeris. Squall, Cloud, and Sephiroth, in that order. Weren't you just the one talking about how MGS seems to have some sort of overlap with RPG fanbases? If you're talking to me, then no, you're confusing me with someone else. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 7:52:26 PM | message detail |
|
Snake is the new Sephiroth! heh, Snake/Sephiroth would be a brutal match to try and predict as far as percentages go. --- yzzyx |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 7:53:18 PM | message detail |
|
oh, and that was me, by the way. --- yzzyx |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 7:53:30 PM | message detail |
|
And he's about to become a Nintendo character! He can't lose! --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 7:53:57 PM | message detail |
|
Yeah, I just went back and checked. That was transience. Silly semi-long all undercased user names! --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/20/2006 7:54:26 PM | message detail |
|
Sephiroth. He went from ~42% on Link to being nearly equal with him What? But Link got like 54/55% >_> --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 7:54:46 PM | message detail |
|
I meant in 2003. Check their respective percentages against Cloud. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/20/2006 7:55:44 PM | message detail |
|
Ah, ok then. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| creativename | Posted 7/20/2006 7:56:20 PM | message detail |
|
It's not obsolete at all, if anything it means that a main contender
for breaking the Noble Nine has basically no shot at all (if Snake
SFFed Squall, his main fanbase is going to pull the rug on him if they
meet again). If Vincent uses the FFVII > MGS chain, he could
conceivably beat Snake even if he's indirectly weaker. It basically
means Snake is a freaking Final Fantasy character. Hmm. Fascinating. I don't actually believe it, but I've heard wilder things. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 7:56:23 PM | message detail |
|
Cloud/Sephiroth has the potential to be weird though due to them being
in the same game. I'm sure I've seen the rSFF idea thrown around before
in regards to that match. --- yzzyx |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 7:57:02 PM | message detail |
|
pic's up, by the way. http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/bse/bse20.jpg --- yzzyx |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 7:57:24 PM | message detail |
|
I could see Sephiroth winning against Snake with anywhere from 55% to
75% (yes, anywhere from making Snake look stronger than Mario to making
Snake look weaker than Liquid). --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/20/2006 7:57:47 PM | message detail |
|
What the? Is that Roxas with a scythe?! --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 7:57:49 PM | message detail |
|
That pic is win. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/20/2006 7:57:57 PM | message detail |
|
wow, that's a great pic. --- * Is Dranze * |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 7:58:15 PM | message detail |
|
From: longbladeofhiko | Posted: 7/20/2006 7:57:47 PM | Message Detail What the? Is that Roxas with a scythe?! It's Marluxia --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/20/2006 7:58:19 PM | message detail |
|
Cloud/Sephiroth has the potential to be weird though due to them
being in the same game. I'm sure I've seen the rSFF idea thrown around
before in regards to that match. I remember it being thrown around in 2K4 as a reason to take Sephiroth over Cloud... That's the only thing I remember though. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 7:58:29 PM | message detail |
|
Marluxia?!?!?! *marks out like it's mardi gras* Oh, and CV is screwed. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Tediz247 | Posted 7/20/2006 7:58:49 PM | message detail |
|
Heh, Dracula looks like he's stopping the scythe from swinging. Soma's a bit blurry, but overall the pic is quite good. --- That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end. ZSB [aX] |
| creativename | Posted 7/20/2006 7:59:24 PM | message detail |
|
Cloud/Sephiroth has the potential to be weird though due to them
being in the same game. I'm sure I've seen the rSFF idea thrown around
before in regards to that match. I remember the pre-talk for that match quite well. A lot of people chose Sephiroth after his whupping of Mario (which I saw coming due to x-stats), but I stated at the time how it was pretty clear that Cloud should be favored by a couple points, due to extrapolation on early results in that same contest. I picked Sephiroth in the Oracle due to favoritism, but the final %age in that match lined up real nice with the pre-match stat analysis. So there's no reason to consider rSFF. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/20/2006 7:59:31 PM | message detail |
|
It's Marluxia Thanks for clearing that up. I haven't played CoM, and I was a bit lost. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/20/2006 7:59:33 PM | message detail |
|
If Soma's picture was clearer it'd be 10/10 material. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| creativename | Posted 7/20/2006 8:02:03 PM | message detail |
|
For some reason that pic increases my confidence in Kingdom Hearts,
even though Dracula is a positive and sprites are probably not good for
KH. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| creativename | Posted 7/20/2006 8:02:24 PM | message detail |
|
Maybe it's the lack of anime art for Castlevania. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/20/2006 8:02:50 PM | message detail |
|
Both villains look like there about to whoop some ass. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/20/2006 8:02:51 PM | message detail |
|
Soma looks pretty bad in that pic, but everything else is fine. Seems to favor KH though. --- Moltar Status: Disappointed, I lost my perfect bracket. Metal Gear vs. Fire Emblem - Bracket: MG - Vote: MG (18/20) |
| ccbfan | Posted 7/20/2006 8:05:11 PM | message detail |
|
Hmm? Don't know if its just me but I think the pic is a huge advantage for KH. Castlevania would have been better off with Alucard. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/20/2006 8:07:35 PM | message detail |
|
Aside from Soma looking dreadful, that picture is pretty good. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| FFDragon | Posted 7/20/2006 8:08:54 PM | message detail |
|
That picture is horrible... >_< --- Married to PepsiPlunge June 01, 2005: HERO'S PLUNGE! (Metal Gear Solid 2) |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 8:09:51 PM | message detail |
|
Somehow my whole perception of this match changed after seeing that picture. I'd be SHOCKED if CV won now. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/20/2006 8:10:16 PM | message detail |
|
Quite frankly, I doubt the picture is an advantage for either series. The voters will know of one of the series either way. And to the uneducated eye (ie. mine), it looks like there are 3 CV characters in that picture. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| NewLib | Posted 7/20/2006 8:13:13 PM | message detail |
|
Pics really dont matter. I dont think people go "Hmmm Im going to vote
for Metal Gear because of that ultra cool pic of OCELOT HAND GESTURING.
Wait is that a piece of ****, I NO LONGER WILL VOTE FOR METAL GEAR." --- Where am I? |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 8:13:54 PM | message detail |
|
meh, I guess KH is the advantage there because Sora is so recognizable.
I don't think the picture is going to matter much though. --- yzzyx |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 8:14:46 PM | message detail |
|
I think what really gives KH the advantage (other than Sora's sprite) is the background. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |