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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 320
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| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 6:30:31 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't have expected it to change much. Not with higher early
vote totals giving early %ages more inertia, and the track record of
this contest and % shifts. Check Metal Gear/Soul Calibur. Metal Gear will *always* fall hard with the day vote. I was surprised Fire Emblem wasn't over 35% when I checked in today, it's actually not meeting my expectations considering it's a Nintendo series and all (not to say it's not exceeding my expecations in total percentage). --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 6:32:55 PM | message detail |
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Snake (2004c) VS Frog (2005c) Snake has a strength of 33.05. Frog has a strength of 24.97. Snake wins with 62.22% of the vote! A win of 22,563 with 92,289 total votes cast. That is one HELL of an overperformance. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 6:35:46 PM | message detail |
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my opinion is that Metal Gear, for whatever reason, shares a fanbase
with the RPG crowd. any recent match involving one has been weird: - MGS vs. FFT (debatable, but MGS probably should have won by more than a couple of votes) - MGS vs. FF7 (Metal Gear bombed) - Solid Snake vs. Frog (underperformed horrendously, barely outperforming Liquid Snake) - Liquid Snake vs. Sephiroth (ouch) - Solid Snake vs. Sora (overperformed bigtime) - MG vs. FE (MG perceived to be underperforming) I have no idea why, but I'm scared trying to judge any match involving MG and the RPG fanbase on this site. MG/KH seems really unpredictable to me at this point. --- yzzyx |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 6:38:06 PM | message detail |
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I think Snake/Frog, Snake/Sora, and MG/FE can be attributed to the pic. The rest is just FF/MG SFF. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/20/2006 6:38:07 PM | message detail |
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I don't get why this match is causing an argument in the first place.
Bad picture or not, FFTA/FE isn't nearly indicative of how popular FE
is on this site. It's popularity has boomed. ~*ST*~ --- *TRUE RKO King of Board 8* Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), WC3: Frozen Throne |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 6:38:26 PM | message detail |
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I'll be satisfied when it makes it out of its division alive (no matter
how close the match is) and can put up a respectable showing on Zelda.
The series behind it may look weird as hell, but I doubt we have
another contest like this anyway. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/20/2006 6:39:16 PM | message detail |
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How close is Silent Hill to being equal with Soul Calibur in the stats --- ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 6:39:42 PM | message detail |
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Fire Emblem being this strong wouldn't really shock me, even if MG was the 4th strongest series. Silent Hill being that strong would, though. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/20/2006 6:40:07 PM | message detail |
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MG/KH seems really unpredictable to me at this point. The one match we have seen that is MG/KH related saw Snake demolishing Sora. If anything, I would expect that same thing to happen if the two faced off before I would expect Kingdom Hearts to think about making a match out of it. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/20/2006 6:41:33 PM | message detail |
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Bad picture or not, FFTA/FE isn't nearly indicative of how popular FE is on this site. It's popularity has boomed. That and some other factors are what I have been arguing since last night. More than anything else, I think this deals more with Fire Emblem's strength as a series rather than Metal Gear's weakness or whatever. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 6:42:09 PM | message detail |
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I think FFT is being underrated -- I still don't think it's as high as
FFX or FFVIII, but I think it's the strongest FF after those two and
it's certainly not far off. It has ridiculous staying power to go along
with a rabid fanbase, something that, say, FFIX doesn't. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/20/2006 6:43:11 PM | message detail |
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It has [...] a rabid fanbase >_> <_< ... Hihi! :) ~*ST*~ --- *TRUE RKO King of Board 8* Currently Playing: Resident Evil 4, KH:COM (Sora), Larussa 92 (NYY), WC3: Frozen Throne |
| Team Rocket Elite | Posted 7/20/2006 6:43:37 PM | message detail |
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How close is Silent Hill to being equal with Soul Calibur in the stats Soul Calibur is projected to get ~50.5% on Silent Hill right now. --- "Those whose memories fade seek to carve them in their hearts..." "All dreams are but another reality. Never forget..." |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 6:43:44 PM | message detail |
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FFT just strikes me as the ultimate niche game. I know that a lot of
people do love the hell out of it, but I didn't think that number was
big enough to give a big game like MGS a run. I still don't think it's
that strong. I dunno - FFT or SM64, who wins? --- yzzyx |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 6:43:49 PM | message detail |
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I think if FE had gone 65% or so on Silent Hill, I would have expected
this kind of performance. I love Silent Hill, but I can't see it being
anything other than complete and utter fodder. That it is this close to
Soul Calibur is raising major red flags for me, and I was the biggest
trasher of SC's strength on the whole board. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/20/2006 6:44:36 PM | message detail |
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Ramza did kind of well on Kirby. I mean, it wasn't an impressive performance, but Ramza isn't exactly a cool guy >_> --- ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 6:45:57 PM | message detail |
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Soul Calibur is projected to get ~50.5% on Silent Hill right now. See, that's what makes me think something weird's going on. Maybe Metal Gear SFFed Soul Calibur for all we know, but I don't see eye to eye with this. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 6:46:07 PM | message detail |
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that Kirby got squished by Alucard though. it's not like he's equal to
Tidus because they both got a similar percentage on Kirby. I'd take
Tidus every time. --- yzzyx |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 6:47:36 PM | message detail |
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that Kirby got squished by Alucard though. it's not like he's equal
to Tidus because they both got a similar percentage on Kirby. I'd take
Tidus every time. Tidus is likely much more to his game than Ramza is to his, and I think he's been losing popularity slowly (mostly because I think FFX is losing some staying power). I would expect Ramza to do just as well as he did in 2k3 if he got in today. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/20/2006 6:48:06 PM | message detail |
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Squished is a strong word for a 52% victory --- ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/20/2006 6:48:15 PM | message detail |
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Yeah. That is rather strange, and nothing I would ever expect to
actually happen. Metal Gear SFFing Soul Calibur doesn't make much sense
to me, but the possibility of Metal Gear underperforming by a bit in
this match doesn't seem like a stretch. Metal Gear has never been all
that impressive when the sprite round comes around. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| dethfdddddh | Posted 7/20/2006 6:50:19 PM | message detail |
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Voldo antivotes. >_>; SC did have one of the worst pics possible for the series while MG had a pic that instantly brought back memories of the most popular game in the series. --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 6:50:37 PM | message detail |
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well, squished only in the sense that he's a big pink blob.. yeah, nevermind. Tidus is likely much more to his game than Ramza is to his, and I think he's been losing popularity slowly (mostly because I think FFX is losing some staying power). I would expect Ramza to do just as well as he did in 2k3 if he got in today. Ramza's pretty damn important in his game too. your typical FFT party is Ramza and a bunch of generics. he's basically the only playable character that's included in the story. --- yzzyx |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 6:56:21 PM | message detail |
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Well, I mean it in the sense that the story is much more to FFX than it
is to FFT. FFT had a story, but it was very poorly translated and quite
muddled -- not really the focus of the game and why it is beloved
today. It's all about the gameplay. Not the same with other Final
Fantasies. I love FFT, but could really care less about Ramza (hey,
this conversation seems familiar!). --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| FFDragon | Posted 7/20/2006 6:57:53 PM | message detail |
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FFT had a story, but it was very poorly translated and quite
muddled -- not really the focus of the game and why it is beloved today. ...I very much fancied FFT's story. --- Married to PepsiPlunge June 01, 2005: HERO'S PLUNGE! (Metal Gear Solid 2) |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 6:59:19 PM | message detail |
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quite a few people think FFT's story is deep and awesome. you'd be amazed. but yeah, FFT is indeed all gameplay. I'm that way with Disgaea - I abhor the story sequences, but enjoy the gameplay a lot. --- yzzyx |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 6:59:30 PM | message detail |
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...I very much fancied FFT's story. I did too! I also do weird things like prefer Abe to Link and have Majora's Mask > Ocarina of Time! I'M MAKING GENERALIZATIONS HERE --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/20/2006 7:00:39 PM | message detail |
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I hated how in FFT random words would have tildes around them, like 'this'. Very annoying. I also loved the storyline in Disgaea more than the one in FFT. >_> --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| creativename | Posted 7/20/2006 7:06:54 PM | message detail |
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Fire Emblem being this strong wouldn't really shock me, even if MG
was the 4th strongest series. Silent Hill being that strong would,
though. I feel the same. Fire Emblem seems liked around here. But I find it tough to imagine Silent Hill being anything but a chump. I think that Soul Calibur would win by more over Silent Hill than extrapolation would imply, due to the picture in this match for one thing. But even then it doesn't seem it would win as comfortably as I would've expected before, which I find odd. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| creativename | Posted 7/20/2006 7:08:58 PM | message detail |
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Final Fantasy: Tactics had a terrific story, one of the best I've ever experienced in a video game. I love that game more for the story than the gameplay. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Starion | Posted 7/20/2006 7:10:18 PM | message detail |
| So the awful (yet funny) translation didn't ruin it for you creativename? |
| ccbfan | Posted 7/20/2006 7:12:23 PM | message detail |
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Ramza had very little to do with FFT having a good story. IMO, he's just some annoying naive hypocritical self righteous jerk. BAsically a lot of main characters in rpgs coughLloydcough. FFT did have a lot of cool side characters like Wiegraf, Orlandu, Zalbag, Delita etc. Also Ulti, did you ever do true dancer SCC? |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/20/2006 7:13:06 PM | message detail |
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The crew unanimously picked Halo > CV and GTA > Warcraft. And we all know how those went. The crew also unanimously picked LoZ > Civ, MMX > Suikoden, Metroid > Kirby, MG > SC, FE > SH, KH > HM, SMB > Madden, Sonic > DMC, SSB > DQ, FF > Diablo, SF > TES, RE > SH, LoZ > MMX, Metroid > Pokemon, and MG > FE. Even if you only want to count the matches that were ever contested by, say, more than one person (Lopen.....he he he), we still got more debated matches right than wrong. FE's definitely impressed today, and I blame nothing on the picture for this one. I figure FE was really under-rated, and maybe MG was over-rated a lil' too -- I can't wait to see just how big of a gap there really is between the Big Three and everything else. No matter what the stats say though, I'd still take Soul Calibur over Silent Hill and not feel bad about it. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/20/2006 7:13:59 PM | message detail |
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I made a mistake in my last post -- Sonic/DMC was NOT unanimous. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| creativename | Posted 7/20/2006 7:14:03 PM | message detail |
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So the awful (yet funny) translation didn't ruin it for you creativename? The translation was so bad you couldn't help but constantly notice how bad it was, but no, it didn't ruin things for me. You could still tell more or less what was going on. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| ccbfan | Posted 7/20/2006 7:15:46 PM | message detail |
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The crew also unanimously picked LoZ > Civ, MMX > Suikoden,
Metroid > Kirby, MG > SC, FE > SH, KH > HM, SMB >
Madden, Sonic > DMC, SSB > DQ, FF > Diablo, SF > TES, RE
> SH, LoZ > MMX, Metroid > Pokemon, and MG > FE. So basically you're telling me, the crew knows how to pick obvious ones but can't pick the close ones. |
| gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/20/2006 7:16:07 PM | message detail |
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I made a mistake in my last post -- Sonic/DMC was NOT unanimous. Neither was Fire Emblem over Silent Hill. LOPEEEEEEEN! --- Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your WOOOOOOOOORLD!!! |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/20/2006 7:16:13 PM | message detail |
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I doubt FFT would be as strong as it was back then. 80% of its sales
occured after it went Greatest Hits, which means it was probably the
biggest PS1 game of 2002 and 2003. That would be more of advantage back
then than it would be now. Since most of its sales occured during the
same timeframe in which FFX got most of its sales, I'd think that it
would've dropped just as much as FFX, due to the same recency factor. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 7:16:42 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth, Ramza 2k3 is not *that* far away from Squall 2k2,
assuming nothing funny went on in Snake/Squall. I've basically given up
on the stats in many respects for those comparisons, mostly because
they make the assumption of a static Mario supported by the idea that
Mario is a character whose strength one would expect to stay constant.
2k5 kinda shot that all to hell. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 7:17:50 PM | message detail |
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the stats topic is very unified. the crew is from the stats topic. we
either get them all right or get them all wrong. it's not exactly going
along with the crowd, it's that the picks they make are the logical
picks. today, Castlevania is the logical pick given everything else
that's happened in this contest. --- yzzyx |
| gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/20/2006 7:18:48 PM | message detail |
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So basically you're telling me, the crew knows how to pick obvious ones but can't pick the close ones. Outside of Halo/Castlevania, I think "the crew" has done a very fine job throughout this contest. --- Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your WOOOOOOOOORLD!!! |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/20/2006 7:19:58 PM | message detail |
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Right, whereas many other people messed up the obvious ones. Meanwhile,
the two that were mentioned first were HUGE upsets -- not just amongst
us, but among the entire group of participants. They were also two of
the three closest matches yet this contest, and all I'm trying to get
at is that we shouldn't be knocked for all of us missing two matches
when 65+% missed them too while we're acing easy matches that many
people miss due to looking for an upset (hello, MG/SC). --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/20/2006 7:20:16 PM | message detail |
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Question: If there was another games contest next month, would you expect Starcraft to do decently? TuRtLe ~~~ Like Darth Maul, the bastard child of Michael Flatley and Hellboy. -trancer1 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 7:20:17 PM | message detail |
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Pokemon/Metroid was the second closest match of this contest, and the
crew was unanimous on it. Forget percentages, if you're going to play
it that way. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| HaRRicH | Posted 7/20/2006 7:21:08 PM | message detail |
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Neither was Fire Emblem over Silent Hill. It wasn't? Crap, serves me right for thinking. --- Miss my Four-Pack Of Fun? Go here: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/gentopic.php?board=585007 |
| DeepHyren12 | Posted 7/20/2006 7:21:40 PM | message detail |
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Don't forget GTA/WC. And yeah, I really wish they'd give FFT the FFIII treatment on the DS. They don't need to tighten up the graphics (har har), but a slightly better balanced job system (it could use improvements; some classes aren't worth that much and a "One Class Challenge" mode would be cool) and more importantly, a better translation from the people who translated FFIX would be great. --- "Civil government is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor" --Adam Smith |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 7:21:45 PM | message detail |
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I wouldn't 'expect' anything from Starcraft. It could beat FFVIII or
lose to MGS2, IMO. Just depends on who shows up on the day of the match. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| creativename | Posted 7/20/2006 7:23:02 PM | message detail |
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I've basically given up on the stats in many respects for those
comparisons, mostly because they make the assumption of a static Mario
supported by the idea that Mario is a character whose strength one
would expect to stay constant. 2k5 kinda shot that all to hell. Actually that (2k2->2k3) was based on a constant Link, not Mario. And that was just because of a minimization of the sum of squared differences I did, where the optimal scalar suggested something close to a constant Link. Rather than using a seemingly random number it's simpler to use one character constant, and easier for people to understand. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| ccbfan | Posted 7/20/2006 7:24:19 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth, Ramza 2k3 is not *that* far away from Squall
2k2, assuming nothing funny went on in Snake/Squall. I've basically
given up on the stats in many respects for those comparisons, mostly
because they make the assumption of a static Mario supported by the
idea that Mario is a character whose strength one would expect to stay
constant. 2k5 kinda shot that all to hell. Squall 2002 seemed to be anomally for him. He looked so ridiculesly weak that year that in 2003 everyone was shocked when he destroyed Luigi. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 7:25:23 PM | message detail |
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Squall 2002 seemed to be anomally for him. He looked so ridiculesly
weak that year that in 2003 everyone was shocked when he destroyed
Luigi. That came partially from Luigi's weakness -- he did worse against Squall than Jill, if you'll recall. And there's no real comparison because Squall had KHF between 2k2 and 2k3. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |