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trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:48:56 PM | message detail
actually, I made it to spite him, then felt bad because he said he wanted the account. this caused my usermap to look like crap for months!
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 3:49:45 PM | message detail
Owned by your pathetic emotions again. Tsk, tsk.
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LordOfDabu | Posted 7/20/2006 3:50:52 PM | message detail
Let's see what these three matches have in common:

1.) Super Metroid vs LttP (Spring 2004)
2.) Samus vs Mario (Summer 2005)
3.) Metroid vs Pokemon (July 2006)

I notice two things:

1.) Samus/Metroid underperforms (perhaps significantly)
2.) Samus has the Super Metroid sprite

Coincidence or a valid correlation? You decide!

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 3:53:44 PM | message detail
I said that was stupid when you first mentioned it, and it's still stupid.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:54:28 PM | message detail
man, I so wish we could get a good Metroid match. Zelda is going to render that entire fourpack useless. put it in Street Fighter's spot or something!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 3:54:29 PM | message detail
So did Sora overperform on Samus, too?
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 3:55:09 PM | message detail
man, I so wish we could get a good Metroid match.

We already had one yesterday!
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trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:55:57 PM | message detail
I knew you'd say that just to spite me.

how's Metal Gear doing?!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 3:56:21 PM | message detail
Better than Metroid!
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:57:12 PM | message detail
Metroid would be doing better!

okay, maybe not. actually, yeah it probably would.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 3:58:05 PM | message detail
Hey, Metroid/Pokemon was at least relatively close, the second closest match of the contest. It involved surprise, debate, and theories abounded...I'd say that's a pretty good match no matter how you slice it.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/20/2006 3:58:50 PM | message detail
Metal Gear wouldn't dare be seen barely getting by Pokemon!!!!

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 3:58:55 PM | message detail
Metroid would be doing better!

okay, maybe not. actually, yeah it probably would.


Let the Pokemon > Metal Gear bandwagon commence!
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 3:59:06 PM | message detail
okay, maybe not. actually, yeah it probably would.

The only way it would be doing better is if it were getting SFF, and we know Metroid can't get any of that!
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
TRE Public Account | Posted 7/20/2006 3:59:43 PM | message detail
Metal Gear wouldn't dare be seen barely getting by Pokemon!!!!

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/detail.php?board=8&topic=29384142&message=321205573
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trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:59:47 PM | message detail
how's Kirby doing????
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 4:00:29 PM | message detail
Very terribly, actually, but that isn't surprising!
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
LordOfDabu | Posted 7/20/2006 4:00:45 PM | message detail
Giving how well Samus did in her other matches that year, it wouldn't surprise me if Sora did!

I'm surprised that people like Sora. Maybe he's better in the first game or Chain of Memories (I haven't played either), but when I played the second game I found him a very difficult character to like.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 4:01:09 PM | message detail
Considering the source of that inequality, it's not valid, TRE.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 4:02:01 PM | message detail
Maybe he's better in the first game or Chain of Memories (I haven't played either), but when I played the second game I found him a very difficult character to like.

I found him to be much more likeable in KHII than in the original.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
KamikazePotato | Posted 7/20/2006 4:10:17 PM | message detail
Yeah, KH and CoM Sora were average at best. KHII Sora is pretty good.

And YES at FE avoiding the doubling. I called this last night, but I never thought it would happen.

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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/20/2006 4:13:45 PM | message detail
That's nothing to be happy about.

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Read_Only_Thx | Posted 7/20/2006 4:19:48 PM | message detail
Considering the source of that inequality, it's not valid, TRE.

It's not my fault you have poor taste in games.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 4:21:48 PM | message detail
To expound on why the claim is ridiculous...why would sprites from Super Metroid hurt the game when match is Link to the Past v. Super Metroid? Zelda SFFed the hell out of Metroid, that's obvious.

Samus v. Squall? If anything, it looks like Squall's been underrated for a while. Not seeing an overperformance there on his part.

Samus v. Mario? Same idea. It's not an underperformance, it's SFF. Who better to do that than it's freaking Mario? For all we know the match could've ended up 55-45 or 65-35. It's insane to draw conclusions there.

Samus v. Sora? Sora was impressive right up until his roadblock with Snake, and even if you don't peg that as 'SFF', the kind of nosedive Alucard has to take to make that legitimate is unreasonable.

And finally, Metroid v. Pokemon. While I can maybe see fans of Metroid Prime looking at the match picture and thinking it's only the 2D series in a select few cases, it's not the same as the difference between MG and MGS. Virtually no one likes the original MG games, and the sprites aren't recognizable either (whereas Samus clearly is).

It's one thing to suggest it in cases where we've seen one of the biggest overperformances of all time and suspicions abound for others. But people know the 2D Metroid games, I'm inclined to say it's where the series gets the majority of its strength. To suggest that it gets hurt by sprites is to suggest that Link/Zelda gets hurt by sprites because the 3D fans won't vote for it. It gets a little funny.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 4:23:54 PM | message detail
It's not my fault you have poor taste in games.

Very true, since I don't.
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ccbfan | Posted 7/20/2006 4:52:20 PM | message detail
Wow first Metroid and now Metal Gear.

The last two days are the clearest examples that Characters != Series.

Also it seems Metroid might not even be number 5 among the nintendo SSF ladder. Luckily for Metroid though it seems it has the least amount of hate. Some can argue that Metroid's strength come from outside the Nintendo click.

As for Metal Gear, it seems none of the game are really that popular at all. With basically only a 3 game series and none of the 3 games in the top 16 according to last spring, plus other MEtal Gear characters bombing over and over, its seem Snake having strength might the thing thats out of wrack.

Also, I just realised how freakin hard it is to get on the leader board. I'm perfect so far and even if I get the next 3 tough calls, I might still not be in the top 50. Anyone know what determines priority on the top 50 list?
Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 4:53:23 PM | message detail
Anyone know what determines priority on the top 50 list?

How fast you submitted your bracket.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 4:54:54 PM | message detail
As for Metal Gear, it seems none of the game are really that popular at all. With basically only a 3 game series and none of the 3 games in the top 16 according to last spring,

*sigh* Have you perchance ever heard of FF7/MGS? Or does MGS2 > MGS just resonate with you or something?

plus other MEtal Gear characters bombing over and over, its seem Snake having strength might the thing thats out of wrack.

This is blown far out of proportion. Liquid is a midcarder, Ocelot is probably still around the fodder line, and Raiden was SFFed.
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ccbfan | Posted 7/20/2006 4:55:35 PM | message detail
Crap, I guess, I'm probably at the end of that queue then.
LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 4:55:42 PM | message detail
I'd say Ocelot is above the fodder line. He could give Kefka a good fight, I'd wager.
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 4:56:11 PM | message detail
I'm starting to wonder if MG just has a hard time with RPGs, not just FF7. this is another one it's not doing so well against.

it'll be interesting to see how it does against KH if it wins tomorrow.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/20/2006 4:56:14 PM | message detail
Well if Pac-Man can give Kefka a good fight then so can Ocelot >>
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trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 4:56:35 PM | message detail
you can throw FFT into the mix as well.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 4:56:46 PM | message detail
I'm talking about potentially winning, not just keeping it close.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 4:58:01 PM | message detail
Pac-Man's probably a bit stronger than he used to be. Chalk it up to GameFAQs being more favorable to the old-school than they used to be or what have you, or just random variation. Kefka/Ocelot/Pac-Man is an interesting trio.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/20/2006 4:58:07 PM | message detail
As for Metal Gear, it seems none of the game are really that popular at all. With basically only a 3 game series and none of the 3 games in the top 16 according to last spring,

Metal Gear Solid is very underrated in those stats thanks to Final Fantasy VII. We also have not been able to see Metal Gear Solid 3 perform in a contest environment, which I believe would be a nice second place in the MGS line.

plus other MEtal Gear characters bombing over and over,

Liquid is really not too bad. Big Boss is nothing that special, but it's understandable as to why. Raiden was met with some nasty SFF. I think he has some really good potential to do well in a contest. And Ocelot ... yeah, he's just not too good. I'm not sure I'd call anything really "bombing" except for Ocelot.

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The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/20/2006 4:58:13 PM | message detail
I bet Young Ocelot could beat Lettuce Kefka. Anything else... I dunno
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/20/2006 4:59:07 PM | message detail
And to clarify, I mean "bombing" by what the expectations were for Ocelot, which were rather high from what I recall. He's certainly lacking in strength, but he's not absolute fodder or anything.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 5:00:15 PM | message detail
Jeez, I thought I covered all my MGS bases, and still forgot Big Boss...that's how forgettable he is. Naked Snake I imagine would be quite strong here, probably the second strongest MGS character of them all (for obvious reasons). And for obvious reasons, he'll never get in.
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Lopen | Posted 7/20/2006 5:01:51 PM | message detail
I'd totally anti-vote Naked Snake or X if they were to ever get in. Not to say I'm typical... just saying out of interest.
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ccbfan | Posted 7/20/2006 5:03:27 PM | message detail
I doubt Ocelot can beat Kefka.

Kefka beat Pacman when PAcman had a huge seed advantage. (Which mean more bracket votes)

PAcman beat Ocelot when Ocelot had a huge seed advantage.

Kefka is weak but not Ocelot weak.
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 5:08:00 PM | message detail
Pac-Man's seed advantage was not anything insane in his match with Kefka (6/11 match, was it?). That's very tantalizing for upsets in a 16 seed division. Ocelot's was more decisive, but it assumes a completely static Pac-Man, something I don't buy. Other people may not see much reason for him to increase, but others saw little reason for Mario to increase, either. Then 2k5 came and shut them up pretty fast.
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Rodri316 | Posted 7/20/2006 5:11:03 PM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts will defeat Castlevania.

That is all.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 5:11:13 PM | message detail
It was a 5/12 match.
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The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/20/2006 5:12:18 PM | message detail
Kefka had 43% of the brackets backing him in 03. Ocelot had about 62%.


Not a HUGE difference. But, eh.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 5:13:45 PM | message detail
Kefka would probably be the favorite in that match, but I would probably take Ocelot as an upset pick. Especially if he got Major Ocelot as his picture...
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trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 5:14:48 PM | message detail
Kefka/Ocelot would be the most anticipated match picture ever. then you get lettuce kefka vs. old Ocelot and everyone gets pissed.
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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 5:15:21 PM | message detail
Yeah, you're talking about one ugly match picture there, unless you get young Ocelot.
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plasmabeam | Posted 7/20/2006 5:16:26 PM | message detail
Fresh produce vs. Hand gesture

We all lose.

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LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 5:17:07 PM | message detail
The hand gesture means everyone wins!

Except for Kefka fans, but who cares about them?!
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