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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 320
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| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 2:52:32 PM | message detail |
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To expound on how highly I think of DMC, I would take it to beat Soul
Calibur and Fire Emblem comfortably. That's what gives Sonic its appeal
to me. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 2:55:05 PM | message detail |
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I'm starting to question who could even avoid being doubled by the big
three at this point. I was looking at my projected x-stats that I made
before the contest last night and just started cracking up at how off
they are. --- yzzyx |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 2:58:00 PM | message detail |
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Eh, I think a few series could escape the doubling from Mario. It
doesn't seem THAT untouchable, Madden is just that fodderific. Metal
Gear, Mega Man, Sonic, Super Smash Brothers... ...obviously not directly on most of them. lol NintendoFAQs --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 3:01:10 PM | message detail |
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I wonder just how bad the SFF will be in SMB/SSB (if SSB manages to
make it there). Looking at Mario/Ness and how Ness draws most of his
strength from the SSB series, it could get ugly. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| MnMZero | Posted 7/20/2006 3:02:21 PM | message detail |
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2k5 doesn't really count, as everyone and their mother had an upset
prospect over Snake. Bowser > Snake, Zelda > Snake, Sora >
Snake, Ryu > Snake, it got to be a bit ridiculous. Put Zero and/or
Auron in his division and it gets exponentially worse. Hey, but Bowser > Snake was actually a viable upset, and it came close to fruition! And it still was an upset pick in the end. Snake was always the favorite. The rest of the ___ > Snake bandwagons were a bit ridiculous to me though. It's the nature of contests to kick characters/games when they are down. "Sonic got doubled by Cloud! Magus > Sonic in the X-stats! I'd easily take Magus over Sonic!" There are plenty more, but this topic is notorious for kicking things in their worst moments. --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Mega Man X in Best. Series. Ever. Contest |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 3:03:39 PM | message detail |
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*looks at today's match* --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| MnMZero | Posted 7/20/2006 3:06:12 PM | message detail |
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Eh, I think a few series could escape the doubling from Mario. It
doesn't seem THAT untouchable, Madden is just that fodderific. Metal
Gear, Mega Man, Sonic, Super Smash Brothers... After seeing SMW/Sonic 2, I'm not so sure. LoZ absolutely crushed MMX, and even if Mario is no Zelda, it's probably much closer to Zelda than it is to Mega Man. The only series outside the big three that I think can avoid the doubling at this point is Metal Gear against Mario. Maybe Warcraft can surprise, but I'm not so sure. --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Mega Man X in Best. Series. Ever. Contest |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 3:07:24 PM | message detail |
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I was referring to indirect matchups. I think Mario would SFF every one of those series sans Metal Gear. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:09:27 PM | message detail |
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the thing is, it's hard to even find an indirect matchup in this
bracket. at some point, it ends up looking like that's their natural
strength. I guess that's what happens when Nintendo series' are so dominant here and Final Fantasy is simply a cut above even Mario and Zelda. --- yzzyx |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:09:45 PM | message detail |
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er, in this contest, I should say. we all know how SFF-riddled the bracket is. --- yzzyx |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/20/2006 3:09:58 PM | message detail |
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Got alot of analyses today. Just some comments. CV/KH - Choo choo, all aboard the upset train! SMB/Warcraft - Aitch Emm’s Prediction : Super Mario Bros. – 66% ; Warcraft – 26% Uh... Sonic/SSB - Another match that is looking to be split. --- Moltar Status: Disappointed, I lost my perfect bracket. Metal Gear vs. Fire Emblem - Bracket: MG - Vote: MG (18/20) |
| MnMZero | Posted 7/20/2006 3:10:21 PM | message detail |
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Oh, okay. That makes sense... although with this contest, it will probably be a bit hard to determine what is
SFF'd and by how much. Final Fantasy will probably make Resident Evil
look really bad. Put RE up against Metal Gear, Metroid, or Halo, and it
would probably look much stronger. These are probably going to be the
least reliable x-stats ever! I'm not complaining in the least!
We probably won't see another series contest anyways, so it really
won't matter except for endless debates which will probably never be
answered. *shudders* --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Mega Man X in Best. Series. Ever. Contest |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:13:00 PM | message detail |
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yep, just like the game contest.. only the game contest had six or
seven strong entrants from the big three, whereas now we only have the
three. well, and Chrono, but apparently Chrono would be fodder as a 7 seed! --- yzzyx |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 3:17:54 PM | message detail |
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CV/KH - Choo choo, all aboard the upset train! The crew favors CV?! You know what that means...<_< --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:19:36 PM | message detail |
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not only the crew, but the board as well. --- yzzyx |
| charmander6000 | Posted 7/20/2006 3:20:25 PM | message detail |
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| Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 3:20:59 PM | message detail |
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I still think CV will pull a Knuckles/Master Hand and lose the next match. KH just has a lot of advantages Halo doesn't have. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:22:31 PM | message detail |
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like? I'd say, if anything, CV has the advantage coming into this match. --- yzzyx |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 3:23:36 PM | message detail |
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The fact that KH is a three-game flagship Square RPG series that will
draw in Nintendo fanbase support and doesn't get anti-voted as much as
Halo. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| charmander6000 | Posted 7/20/2006 3:24:06 PM | message detail |
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not only the crew, but the board as well. That's because it has the backing of every person who took Halo to win/thought KH would be 50/50 against Halo. --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/20/2006 3:24:20 PM | message detail |
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SMB/Warcraft - Aitch Emm’s Prediction : Super Mario Bros. – 66% ; Warcraft – 26% Uh... 74% -- 26%. >> --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:24:45 PM | message detail |
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I dunno, if you look at KH/SC, something happened there. would you take Halo to lose to Soul Calibur? --- yzzyx |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 3:25:16 PM | message detail |
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I thought Halo would beat KH, and I still think KH is the favorite
here. Much like my stance on Sonic/SSB though, I'm rooting for the
little guy. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 3:26:39 PM | message detail |
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Sonic/SSB - Another match that is looking to be split. What? You mean I'm actually going to have some competition for the point there? Crap. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 3:28:02 PM | message detail |
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| Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 3:28:41 PM | message detail |
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From: trannyscience | Posted: 7/20/2006 3:24:45 PM | Message Detail I dunno, if you look at KH/SC, something happened there. would you take Halo to lose to Soul Calibur? To be honest, I really don't know what happened there. I do expect KH to at least outperform Halo. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| charmander6000 | Posted 7/20/2006 3:28:43 PM | message detail |
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The fact that KH is a three-game CoM won't help as much as you'd think flagship Square RPG series Ok, but so is Dragon Quest, but if you're picky that won't guarantee that they would be unstopable and Halo is the flagship Xbox series. that will draw in Nintendo fanbase support Again CoM won't help as much as you'd think and doesn't get anti-voted as much as Halo. Halo anti-votes have been dropping like pokemon's, but true they are still there. --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 3:31:11 PM | message detail |
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CoM won't help as much as you'd think CoM helped put Sora over Alucard last year. I don't see why it can't help here. Ok, but so is Dragon Quest, but if you're picky that won't guarantee that they would be unstopable and Halo is the flagship Xbox series. But unlike DQ, KH is actually successful here. And the Xbox isn't a strong system on this site. Halo anti-votes have been dropping like pokemon's, but true they are still there. It is true that Halo anti-votes have been dropping. However, they are still a factor to consider. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 3:31:28 PM | message detail |
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Ok, but so is Dragon Quest Not in the United States, so that's hardly a viable counterpoint. And I would disagree with your point in your analysis about only KH fans picking up KHII. That definitely applies more to Halo 2 than Kingdom Hearts. Sales for the original Kingdom Hearts and Chain of Memories have gone up noticeably since since KHII's release. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 3:32:09 PM | message detail |
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CoM helped put Sora over Alucard last year. Uhh...I don't know if I'd go that far. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/20/2006 3:33:08 PM | message detail |
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Ok, but so is Dragon Quest, Kingdom Hearts is far more popular in the States than Dragon Quest could hope to be. That is not really the best example to use here, especially since its origins are with Enix anyway. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 3:33:25 PM | message detail |
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CoM helped put Sora over Alucard last year. I don't see why it can't help here. Negligible. Sora already was the favorite just going by the stats, and it didn't help that Alucard was behind Ganondorf's erroneous 2k4 adjustment. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 3:34:02 PM | message detail |
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Uhh...I don't know if I'd go that far. Actually, CoM was the sole reason I took Sora over Alucard last year. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:34:44 PM | message detail |
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I think KH also gets antivoted for being "kiddie". that's the only way to explain SC getting 49% on it. basically, KH has yet to have a single impressive match in a contest setting. I don't see its match with HM being impressive, and it's possible that Fire Emblem beats it if you worship the x-stats. granted that would never happen, but still, I don't see why KH would be the favourite here. you have to believe two things: - KH2 accounts for a lot; - Sora beating Alucard is indicitive of tomorrow's match on the other hand, Castlevania beat Halo pretty good, old series have impressed and it certainly has more diversity than KH does. all contest trends so far have gone towards Castlevania's side, especially old platforming series' like Mega Man and Sonic doing well. I think the match is extremely even, but I certainly wouldn't say that KH has the advantage. --- yzzyx |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 3:35:31 PM | message detail |
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Sora already was the favorite just going by the stats I thought Alucard was the favorite by a slim margin. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 3:36:44 PM | message detail |
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Actually, CoM was the sole reason I took Sora over Alucard last year. That doesn't mean that's what caused it. In a close match, you favor the one with the bigger intangibles, and that was definitely Sora. It was the same reason for taking Tidus over Shadow. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:37:22 PM | message detail |
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wasn't Alucard behind the Biggest SFF Of All Time in 2k4? I don't believe we've ever had a good reading on Alucard. --- yzzyx |
| charmander6000 | Posted 7/20/2006 3:37:46 PM | message detail |
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CoM helped put Sora over Alucard last year. I don't see why it can't help here. Helped, but wasn't the reason why Sora won. LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 3:31:28 PM | message detail And I would disagree with your point in your analysis about only KH fans picking up KHII. That definitely applies more to Halo 2 than Kingdom Hearts. Sales for the original Kingdom Hearts and Chain of Memories have gone up noticeably since since KHII's release. First of all Halo 2 has outsold the original, but what I meant was that a higher amount of people probably bought Halo 2 than the original compare to KHII. --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 3:38:53 PM | message detail |
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At the 18:35 mark, this match has 95143 votes. To compare with other matches at the same time: Zelda/Civilization - 91519 Metal Gear/Soul Calibur - 92364 SSB/DQ - 99237 RE/SH - 93220 --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 3:39:13 PM | message detail |
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That doesn't mean that's what caused it. In a close match, you favor
the one with the bigger intangibles, and that was definitely Sora. It
was the same reason for taking Tidus over Shadow. Regardless, CoM had some effect on the KH series. How big the effect was is questionable, but I do think CoM will help the series here. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 3:39:43 PM | message detail |
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I thought Alucard was the favorite by a slim margin. If you use the 2k4 stats, yeah. Not if you use the 2k3 stats, though. And I think Sephy/Alucard is an alright reading. I never understood why people thought Sephiroth 'overperformed' on him. If Cloud couldn't, why could he? Of course that begs the question as to why Tifa overperformed on Vyse when Cloud couldn't, but still. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 3:40:11 PM | message detail |
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First of all Halo 2 has outsold the original, but what I meant was
that a higher amount of people probably bought Halo 2 than the original
compare to KHII. I would expect the overlap between Halo and Halo 2 fans to be bigger nonetheless. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:41:02 PM | message detail |
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Of course that begs the question as to why Tifa overperformed on Vyse when Cloud couldn't, but still. well, Cloud is so much stronger than Tifa that it's hard to overperform by that much. same with Link and Samus. --- yzzyx |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 3:41:33 PM | message detail |
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And I think Sephy/Alucard is an alright reading. I never understood
why people thought Sephiroth 'overperformed' on him. If Cloud couldn't,
why could he? Well, we don't know if he did or he didn't, what with Cloud/Mario. Besides, you've got the KHF to work in between those two performances. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/20/2006 3:42:34 PM | message detail |
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I don't know. A lot of people played Kingdom Hearts 1 but the game
wasn't all THAT great. It seems people were a lot more pleased with
KH2. I don't think KH2 is going to benefit by bringing more people to
play the game, but rather to get people that already played the game to
actually care about the series. --- ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand. |
| MnMZero | Posted 7/20/2006 3:43:34 PM | message detail |
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It's not the fact that Castlevania upset Halo, but it beat
it pretty soundly. Seeing how strong Sonic was against Devil May Cry
and Mega Man was against Mario Kart, and its clear that there is something up with the well established series. As for Kingdom Hearts, it's not like Chain of Memories automatically give it indie cred (new stats topic fad!) with the Nintendo fanbase. Harvest Moon pretty much proved that. Kingdom Hearts isn't looking strong at all. It's Square/FF affiliation is the only thing that can save it... --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Mega Man X in Best. Series. Ever. Contest |
| MnMZero | Posted 7/20/2006 3:45:19 PM | message detail |
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Ah, incomplete thought. I forgot to mention that Nintendo affiliated games have all
impressed in this contest so far. I still stand by that KH2 has made KH
as a whole much more popular. But as this contest has progressed,
Castlevania has shown to hold the intangibles. --- *Is therealmnm* Proud Supporter of Mega Man X in Best. Series. Ever. Contest |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 3:45:42 PM | message detail |
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I make all the great stats topic fads! Sure, it takes Ulti and tranny to popularize them, but never forget your roots! --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 3:46:18 PM | message detail |
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indie cred is a stats topic fad? I made that alt for Icon six months ago! --- yzzyx |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 3:47:20 PM | message detail |
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And gave it away like a sucker! --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |