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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/19/2006 11:27:54 PM | message detail |
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 11:28:44 PM | message detail |
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ROUND ****ING SPRITE ROUND ****ING SPRITE ROUND ****ING SPRITE ROUND --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
Draco1214 | Posted 7/19/2006 11:29:44 PM | message detail |
That pic still sucks... </disguised tag> --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
SquallidSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 11:31:46 PM | message detail |
What do you mean Mallow isn't a tadpole?! --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
XxSoulxX | Posted 7/19/2006 11:32:46 PM | message detail |
Knuckles > Solid ****. --- - "ertyu is actually a language. For example, 'dum' is ertyunese for 'godly'." - Topaz Kitsune Not changing signature until HHH pedigrees Candice through a table. 07/07/06 |
Gooper Blooper | Posted 7/20/2006 2:41:03 AM | message detail |
Not quite. It doen't make THAT much of a difference. Laughing Knuckles > Solid ****. With 52%. --- Back in my day, video games had one degree of movement, uphill, through the snow, both ways, and we liked it. - CJayC |
Zylo the wolf | Posted 7/20/2006 3:12:42 AM | message detail |
Knuckles > Solid ****. --- 1f u c4n r34d th1s u r34lly n33d t0 g37 l41d |
jonthomson | Posted 7/20/2006 4:55:51 AM | message detail |
Match 20 - Castlevania vs. Kingdom Hearts This match suddenly becomes very easy to call. Halo against Kingdom Hearts would be an absolute nightmare, as we'd have two current-gen quasi-series, both with their various levels of detractors, both with a common opponent in the games contest (albeit that's Starcraft), the underdog on that basis with a very popular new game... it'd have been awkward. I know which way I would have gone, but we don't need to consider that. Because Castlevania pwned Halo in a match of epic proportions, destroying thousands of brackets, making the entirety of the analysis crew look silly... Halo managed nearly 50,000 votes and still lost by over 10K in a 55/45 blowout. This wasn't even close, and there's still tracings of whining as I write now (during Sonic/DMC) from the casuals. It wasn't even the close victory I expected, Castlevania was never in trouble. Kingdom Hearts? Didn't even manage to treble Harvest Moon. Let uber-fodder score 30,000 votes on it. It's in real trouble. The best thing is that people are voting on series. 3 games (not two, silly me, it had that thing on the GBA which you could very easily not notice at all) does not compare to Castlevania as a series. In the previous round, even the Halo board was voting for Castlevania. Stick a fork in KH, it's done. Bracket says: Castlevania Favourites bracket says: Halo Vote says: Castlevania Prediction: Castlevania with 52.66% Fun fact of the day: jonthomson can't recall the last close match which, according to the board, was unanimously not decided by vote stuffers. --- Jon Thomson - CATS, Jay Solano, Ridley, Scorpion, Alien Hominid, Duke Nukem, The Prince, Johnny Rocketfingers, two TBA |
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/20/2006 10:42:30 AM | message detail |
Sigh. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
Tediz247 | Posted 7/20/2006 1:22:47 PM | message detail |
498 > 500 --- That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end. ZSB [aX] |
FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/20/2006 1:23:29 PM | message detail |
That was the worst 500 post ever. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 1:24:33 PM | message detail |
Wow, FE is avoiding the doubling?! FEAR THE POWER OF SOLID ****. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
AmazingKirby | Posted 7/20/2006 1:24:54 PM | message detail |
That was the best 500 post in 20 topics. --- caps |
SquallidSnake | Posted 7/20/2006 1:25:10 PM | message detail |
You know, if Silent Hill (survival horror) is almost equal to Soul
Calibur (fighting game), it's just making me feel worse about Street
Fighter's chances. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/20/2006 1:26:09 PM | message detail |
I wonder who will have the pic advantage in KH/Castlevania. --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
Read_Only_Thx | Posted 7/20/2006 1:26:44 PM | message detail |
And Fire Emblem pushes on. I'll take it. --- sig |
LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 1:26:49 PM | message detail |
Kingdom Hearts, I'd wager. Castlevania's sprites aren't the best-looking things in the world, if CJayC goes very old school. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
Read_Only_Thx | Posted 7/20/2006 1:28:00 PM | message detail |
Probably KH, since I can't think of any Castlevania sprites that actually have faces. --- sig |
Tediz247 | Posted 7/20/2006 1:28:12 PM | message detail |
DoS has some pretty good looking sprites. Hopefully Ceej uses those. --- That... was her final mission. And like a true soldier, she saw it through the end. ZSB [aX] |
Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 1:28:21 PM | message detail |
It'll probably be Alucard/generic heartless/Sora/some enemy from CV. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
AmazingKirby | Posted 7/20/2006 1:29:30 PM | message detail |
It'll probably be Alucard/generic heartless/Sora/some enemy from CV. I never would have thought of that. --- caps |
longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/20/2006 1:29:36 PM | message detail |
Yeah, I was thinkin Dawn of Sorrow would be used, and from what I keep
hearing, thats like the best Castlevania game since Symphony of the
Night, so I'd imagine that'd be a good enough pic advantage right
there. The CoM sprites were cool too though --- WWEGSB Hardcore Legend Masa JUST LIKE UR MOM LOLO AND URS TO LALA-Tombolo |
LeonhartForever | Posted 7/20/2006 1:31:06 PM | message detail |
"Generic Heartless" will almost certainly be the Shadows. Those things are everywhere. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/20/2006 1:31:41 PM | message detail |
That 500th post was horrendous. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 1:32:27 PM | message detail |
From: LeonhartForever | Posted: 7/20/2006 1:31:06 PM | Message Detail "Generic Heartless" will almost certainly be the Shadows. Those things are everywhere. I was actually referring to those things, but I forgot what they were called. Thanks for reminding me. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/20/2006 1:32:35 PM | message detail |
Either Dawn of Sorrow or Aria of Sorrow would probably be a good choice. I'd be happy with either Alucard or Soma. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
charmander6000 | Posted 7/20/2006 1:36:03 PM | message detail |
Match XX: (3) Castlevania vs. (2) Kingdom Hearts Past Matches Castlevania Defeated Halo, 55.02% - 44.98% Kingdom Hearts Defeated Harvest Moon, 73.12% - 26.88% Analysis: Despite hating Halo to no end, it was the favorite in that match. As expected Castlevania took the early lead, but Halo will comeback it’s the king of the day vote. Morning came and not only did Halo failed to comeback, it showed no signs of it being the king of the day vote. This was the same Castlevania who went from 47% - 40% against Goldeneye in the games, Alucard went from 50% - 44% against Sora. We lost 30 gurus on that day (I survived, but I needed HM to take the 4-pack v_v). Kingdom Hearts on the other hand didn’t perform as well as people wanted it to do, but can you blame it? The board overrates Kingdom Hearts to no end and in my opinion KH did just fine. Since I picked Halo to win the match I’ve already lost two points, but if it was in this match I’d still think Halo would take it. First let’s take a look at the pages of history and go back to Sp2k4. Because of 2k3 Kingdom Hearts was suppose to easily beat Soul Calibur and beat the winner of Halo/Starcraft. In reality KH struggled against Soul Calibur and needed the day vote in order to win and didn’t put up a fight against Starcraft who just had a tough match against Halo. This already puts Halo above Kingdom Hearts and if you believe there were more people that rally to help Starcraft in Halo/Starcraft, it only helps Halo more. Does this matter because we all know single games =/= series? True, but Halo, KH and SC only have 2-3 games in their series compare to Castlevania which has 25 games going across multiple systems. Fast forward to the present and new series with few games have been dropping like flies, the only ones that made it past round 1 were Fire Emblem (by NA standards and it had an easy opponent), Kingdom Hearts and Super Smash Bros. The voters have been voting for the series they like overall over the series that has their favorite game. Thus many series that have been primarily in the 128-bit division have done worse then expected, take a look at Soul Calibur (Fire Emblem is doing better than it wtf), Halo, Grand Theft Auto, Devil May Cry (debatable) and Shadow Hearts. Also how much stronger/weaker is Kingdom Hearts plus CoM and KHII compare to Halo plus Halo 2. Halo 2 has been out longer than KHII so it has had more time to gain new fans to the series compare to KHII where more of its sales probably came from people who have liked the original Kingdom Hearts, but on the flip side people might be coming to GameFAQs to get help on the game. CoM will also help the series out as well since it came out on a different system, but since it was the GBA it wouldn’t have helped it as much as if it was released, say on the GC (almost everyone owns a GBA). My analysis is making this look like Halo vs. Kingdome Hearts will be happening tomorrow, but that’s because Kingdom Hearts has more in common with Halo than Castlevania. The new series have been dropping like flies ever since the contest started and I’ve always thought Halo would’ve been the favorite going into the match, but since Castlevania beat it without too much trouble I too don’t see it having any trouble beating Kingdom Hearts and there’s still a chance that Halo might outperform Kingdom Hearts. charmander6000’s Bracket: Halo over Kingdom Hearts charmander6000’s Prediction: Castlevania wins, 55.93% - 44.07% --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 1:51:46 PM | message detail |
Well, I see the MG/MGS argument has ballooned somewhat since I've been gone. Silly me. << I think both sides are blowing this somewhat out of proportion. Do I think every single voter is voting based on the original Metal Gear series in this match? That would be idiotic, as well as ensure that the Solid series has a free pass to the finals. I believe that most voters see the MG series as all encompassing, and vote accordingly. Much like I do the Mega Man series. But just like the MM series, there are exceptions. I've had to hear from no end on this topic how there are fans of MMX that won't vote for MM, and while at times it seems like a contrived arguing point, it is a real possibility. During Mega Man/Mario Kart there were a bunch of posters on the boards that said that Mario Kart deserved to win over the classic series -- maybe if it were X it would deserve it more, yadda, etc. There's no 'split' between Metal Gear and Metal Gear Solid -- I'm sure 95% of MG's fanbase comes from the Solid games. But therein lies the problem -- no one really likes the original Metal Gears, so it's quite easy for someone to come in, look at the match picture, and assume it's the original MG series in the match. I've had plenty of arguments with it in the past, and was honestly shocked and disappointed to see the 1 seed "Metal Gear" in the bracket when it came up. Then I sighed in relief as I realized it was in a division full of chumps, but still. Fire Emblem doesn't have the same problem. There is no 'other' Fire Emblem series, so there's no confusion in the match picture. You see the sprites, you see the choice, you see Fire Emblem. That is not the same for Metal Gear. Most will see it as encompassing, some will not. I'm not sure if it's worth one half of one eighth of a percentage point or something else entirely, but it's there. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
dethfdddddh | Posted 7/20/2006 1:52:41 PM | message detail |
Generic enemy just might be a CoM Organization XIII sprite. --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 1:56:35 PM | message detail |
http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/detail.php?board=8&topic=29387425&message=321107005 Like I said, it's there, even if it's miniscule (not the best example, but I'm being lazy). And you don't have to believe in pic factor at all, but I couldn't possibly imagine believing that Snake gets hurt by sprites but Metal Gear doesn't. The two are inseparable. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
Lopen | Posted 7/20/2006 2:27:12 PM | message detail |
This is pathetic! If Castlevania meets the % I'm calling
for in my analysis crew prediction, I guarantee you the Castlevania
> Metal Gear bandwagon's gonna get a whole lot bigger. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 2:28:11 PM | message detail |
It wouldn't be a contest without a something > MG bandwagon that ultimately fails. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
dethfdddddh | Posted 7/20/2006 2:28:16 PM | message detail |
YOU HAVE MY AXE LOPEN --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 2:29:29 PM | message detail |
I remember someone said it in another topic, but Castlevania is reminding me a lot of Knuckles and Master Hand. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
dethfdddddh | Posted 7/20/2006 2:30:36 PM | message detail |
Parallels to Starcraft's fourpack have also been drawn, though. --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/20/2006 2:32:27 PM | message detail |
If Castlevania meets the % I'm calling for in my analysis crew
prediction, I guarantee you the Castlevania > Metal Gear bandwagon's
gonna get a whole lot bigger. Yeah. The bandwagon should continue to grow so that you guys are horribly disappointed when Metal Gear wins with ease! --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
Lopen | Posted 7/20/2006 2:32:28 PM | message detail |
Eh? You mean Bowser > Snake? That's the only one I can think of. Like anyone thought Frog, Master Chief, Liquid, or Crash would beat him! Or maybe Ryu in 2k3? Psh. Solid Snake's been pretty fairly estimated, I'd say. (And I never said Knuckles or MH had a chance! I've always been a down to earth guy!) --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
dethfdddddh | Posted 7/20/2006 2:33:35 PM | message detail |
And unlike MH and Knuckles, all trends during this contest have been in favor of CV. --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 2:33:46 PM | message detail |
hell, Zelda > Snake had a bandwagon. --- yzzyx |
SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/20/2006 2:34:25 PM | message detail |
Eh? You mean Bowser > Snake? "Look at Zelda! Snake might have some trouble!" --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 2:35:45 PM | message detail |
Like anyone thought Frog, Master Chief, Liquid, or Crash would beat him! Or maybe Ryu in 2k3? Yes to the extreme former and latter. Frog was massively hyped (though typically not to that extent), and Ryu had his fair share of supporters as well. Not to say Snake wasn't the favorite, but he's always been the favorite, even in 2k5 and now. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 2:37:58 PM | message detail |
2k5 doesn't really count, as everyone and their mother had an upset
prospect over Snake. Bowser > Snake, Zelda > Snake, Sora >
Snake, Ryu > Snake, it got to be a bit ridiculous. Put Zero and/or
Auron in his division and it gets exponentially worse. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
charmander6000 | Posted 7/20/2006 2:39:09 PM | message detail |
Also with the topic on perfects, the only way I see us getting a
perfect is if one of the guru's survives round 2 (though Raytan has KH
> MG). Anyways it looks like about 40% of the perfects took Final Fantasy (from looking at the top 50 over the past few days) which means we have about 130-145 perfects that are taking Final Fantasy. We probably lost about 50 Final Fantasy winners from yesterday's match. With three big matches left this round (CV/KH, SSB/Sonic and RE/SF) the least amount of perfects I can see falling in each match is 30 (though RE might be less because it's probably the heavy favorite in that match). So by the end of the round those three matches alone will bring down the count to 40-55, most likely more (especially if CV, Sonic and SF wins). Plus there are still some perfects that might take silly upsets (I'm sure some took FE > MG) and I'm sure we'll lose a few to MG/CV/KH and SMB/SSB (if it makes it that far). --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 2:41:47 PM | message detail |
a few, yeah. but 400? in my mind, whoever's got a perfect after Sonic/SSB should be pretty safe, assuming they have the smart choices. there isn't a Diablo in this bracket to screw everyone over. the only chance of that happening is Castlevania. hell, you're more than likely looking at 4 1's in the final four. --- yzzyx |
SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/20/2006 2:43:02 PM | message detail |
2k5 doesn't really count, as everyone and their mother had an upset prospect over Snake. And if Snake is in a division with some good competition that he has to face, you'll undoubtedly see the same thing again. People aren't going to stop looking for an upset over Snake until MGS4 and SSBB come out. None of these people will be the majority, obviously, but yeah. 2005 just had more characters in his division that looked appealing to people whereas that wasn't the case in previous years. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
Draco1214 | Posted 7/20/2006 2:43:32 PM | message detail |
Metal Gear will not lose before the final four. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
Lopen | Posted 7/20/2006 2:45:22 PM | message detail |
And like it or not, even if Solid Snake did end up winning, Bowser came really close. I had no doubt
Snake would win his division last year when I filled out my bracket,
but I'm not about to say that the people who picked Bowser were
foolish. Bowser had a legitimate chance of taking him. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
charmander6000 | Posted 7/20/2006 2:45:58 PM | message detail |
in my mind, whoever's got a perfect after Sonic/SSB should be pretty
safe, assuming they have the smart choices. there isn't a Diablo in
this bracket to screw everyone over. the only chance of that happening
is Castlevania. Really, I would at least think a few perfects would fall because Metal Gear takes the division (plus there might be a really big SSB fan left by SMB/SSB). --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 2:48:16 PM | message detail |
Really, I would at least think a few perfects would fall because
Metal Gear takes the division (plus there might be a really big SSB fan
left by SMB/SSB). I agree with this - however, when there's essentially four or five matches left for 400 perfects, chances are at least a few of them are going to guess them the right way. it'll be interesting to see Castlevania's prediction percentage if it manages to win. I doubt it's higher than 20%. Castlevania looks like this year's Diablo.. or as close as we're gonna get to it. now it just has to win tomorrow. it's looking pretty damn good, too. --- yzzyx |
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/20/2006 2:50:41 PM | message detail |
I actuall don't feel comfortable with pegging MG as the 4th strongest
series overall, but I don't know what would be. SSB is the frontrunner
in my mind, but it has a ton of weaknesses that may be his downfall
against Sonic, and I would have taken MG over Sonic/Mega Man before the
contest started. I'd be surprised if either were stronger, though Sonic
beating SSB and Mega Man doing really well on Final Fantasy would give
me more reason to believe. None of the series outside of the Big Three have really impressed. Metroid and Metal Gear did somewhat in the first round, but they're giving reason to doubt now. CV impressing is directly linked to Halo disappointing. KH gave a lackluster performance against HM, GTA bombed...the impressing comes from Sonic and Mega Man mostly, actually (I think much more of DMC than most though, although 58% on MK cannot be ignored), and *maybe* Resident Evil. Shadow Hearts is ULTRA-ULTRA-ULTRA JOBBER ROBBER FODDER though, so that's really not saying much to me. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |