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| Ed Bellis | Posted 7/19/2006 10:35:35 PM | message detail |
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I find most game characters to be either bland or stupid though I hear that. I haven't played a lot of story-driven games, so of course my experience is limited in that respect, but if Magus is the best we can do for a deep character, it's not saying much. At all. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| YoAriel33 | Posted 7/19/2006 10:35:53 PM | message detail |
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Prerequisite answer to Leon's next post: NO. NEVER. --- Watch and you'll see... someday I'll be... part of your WOOOOOOOOORLD!!! |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 10:36:09 PM | message detail |
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I find most game characters to be either bland or stupid though, so I guess I'm just elitist like that. And once again, you and I are very different. There are very few characters out there I can legitimately say I hate. Plus, I love a good story that can captivate my imagination, no matter what the format. And you can't have a good story without interesting characters (well, I guess you could. I just imagine it'd be very difficult). --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 10:36:11 PM | message detail |
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For what it's worth, I've seen people differentiating between the 2-D and 3-D Metroids and Sonics as well. Yet nobody seems to be doing that for SMB. Mario's path is predetermined though - beat the hell out of its division, lose to FF. there's no reason to really discuss it. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 10:36:33 PM | message detail |
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I like many characters because they're the embodiment of many games.
They're what you play AS, they're what you fight AGAINST, and the most
popular games are many times that popular because of the characters in
the first place. FFVII isn't the same without Cloud and Sephiroth,
FFVIII is nothing in my eyes without Squall. MGS is driven by Snake,
Mario/Sonic/Mega Man embody both their series and often define a
generation. Games just don't have the same charm to me. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| dethfdddddh | Posted 7/19/2006 10:36:42 PM | message detail |
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Relax, Bellis; Magus is nowhere near the deepest VG characters. --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 10:37:09 PM | message detail |
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but if Magus is the best we can do for a deep character, it's not saying much. At all. Magus? Far from the deepest character. >> --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 10:37:27 PM | message detail |
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I'm amazed you don't get hardcore into Xenosaga, Leon. the Xeno series is the only series that has characters I care about. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| dragoontheguy | Posted 7/19/2006 10:38:15 PM | message detail |
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While Magus is highly likable, he's hardly what I'd call a deep character. --- When dictatorship is a fact, revolution becomes a right. ~ Victor Hugo {WoT}~> Board 408 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 10:38:34 PM | message detail |
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Magus is probably the deepest character in Chrono Trigger, a game notable for its complete and total lack of character depth. Yeah... --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 10:38:41 PM | message detail |
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but if Magus is the best we can do for a deep character, it's not saying much. At all. Thankfully, he's far from the best we can do. Mario's path is predetermined though Not everybody thinks that, but that's not really the point. There were people asking on the day of Sonic/DMC why Shadow was in the match picture because he's not part of the Sonic the Hedgehog series. And I saw somebody say he would've voted for Metroid Prime if it had been in the contest as a series, but he didn't care for the 2-D games. Yet nobody makes that sort of distinction with SMB. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 7/19/2006 10:39:26 PM | message detail |
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The tides have indeed turned, then. Magus used to be worshipped around these parts; his page on Ulti/MMX's site pretty much calls him the deepest character ever. I'm curious as to who else people consider "deep" characters in games... besides Snake, since that one seems obvious. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 10:40:08 PM | message detail |
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I'm amazed you don't get hardcore into Xenosaga, Leon. the Xeno series is the only series that has characters I care about. Which is unusual, because I really only care about Ziggy and chaos up to the point where I last played. KOS-MOS is okay, too, I guess. Shion and MOMO suck. Jr. is meh, and Albedo, while a definite freakshow, has yet to show me why some people go crazy over him. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| Lopen | Posted 7/19/2006 10:40:09 PM | message detail |
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Who calls Magus "deep", honestly? And I guess it is a case to case thing. It's just that the things that came to mind immediately (Raiden, Master Chief, Dante) when I was thinking "insane fanboyish rallying" all had the edge with the character, for whatever reason. But it's probably not generally the case, actually, thinking harder about it. (Master Chief more fun to rally behind than Halo? Weird, I know!) I'd still say I generally prefer character battles... but eh, maybe if we actually had more game battles I'd change my mind on this. --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 10:40:24 PM | message detail |
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does Mario really have a 3d "series"? it's only the two games, right?
Metroid Prime has the namesake, the first-person view and the storyline
that stay intact for the series. Mario isn't like that. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/19/2006 10:40:31 PM | message detail |
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Cloud is deeper than Magus and he's made out of cardboard --- ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand. |
| dethfdddddh | Posted 7/19/2006 10:40:37 PM | message detail |
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I'd call Robo the deepest. --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
| Janus5000 | Posted 7/19/2006 10:40:49 PM | message detail |
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Miles Edgeworth is the deepest character I thought of in the 10 seconds
or so between when I read your post and started typing this. --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 10:40:53 PM | message detail |
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Raiden is far deeper than Snake, despite me not liking him as much. The
fact that his character extends beyond the fourth wall should give you
a taste of exactly how intricate his design is. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 10:41:01 PM | message detail |
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his page on Ulti/MMX's site pretty much calls him the deepest character ever. Well, Ulti did write that ... --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 10:41:19 PM | message detail |
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Which is unusual, because I really only care about Ziggy and chaos
up to the point where I last played. KOS-MOS is okay, too, I guess.
Shion and MOMO suck. Jr. is meh, and Albedo, while a definite
freakshow, has yet to show me why some people go crazy over him. that's because you don't see Albedo until the end of Xenosaga 1 really. the end of 1 and the entirety of 2 are why people love the hell out of him. I don't really care about Albedo, but a lot of others do. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 10:42:07 PM | message detail |
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Who calls Magus "deep", honestly? http://www.freewebs.com/mmxcalibur/magus.htm And trust me, Magus still has his fair share of fanatics. He'll always finish top 5 in Holy Excalibur's Top 100 Characters List. Heck, I'd almost go as far to say top 3. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 10:42:08 PM | message detail |
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I'm curious as to who else people consider "deep" characters in games... besides Snake, since that one seems obvious. Snake and Cloud rock that area. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| dethfdddddh | Posted 7/19/2006 10:42:29 PM | message detail |
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And Albedo comes together as a character in Episode 2; in Episode 1,
he's really just a freakshow made to scare you with his antics. --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 7/19/2006 10:42:48 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I don't really see how one could make the
distinction in 2-D vs. 3D Mario games; 64 and Sunshine seem and feel
like logical extensions of the 2D games. And, as tranny said, there are
only two of them. What I do see people making distinctions between is "old-school" Mario and the more recent games, with often the former being touted in a more favorable light. I see a lot of fans kinda burned out on all the Mario spinoffs that are going on instead of more straight-up platforming action (look at the hype around NSMB), but not enough to abandon the series as a whole, of course. --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/19/2006 10:43:07 PM | message detail |
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Albedo is awesome because he's voiced by Crispin Freeman --- ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand. |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 10:43:09 PM | message detail |
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Squall and Tidus have plenty of depth, yo! --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/19/2006 10:43:42 PM | message detail |
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C'mon C'mon C'mon C'mon! NOW DIE --- ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 10:44:14 PM | message detail |
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I actually have a writeup detailing exactly how deep Raiden is (and why
I don't particularly care for him), but unfortunately the topic that I
wrote that in purged. Let's see if I saved it... HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHFDHAFHDAHFAHF;DHG;AKNG;AN MGRIP --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 7/19/2006 10:44:22 PM | message detail |
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I'd call Robo the deepest. Robo is my favorite, but I'd say (unpopular opinion ahoy!) Lucca is the deepest in CT, with Frog (though his development sucks) and Robo right behind. Magus would be so much deeper if all the crap they hinted at in the game was outright stated. So much wasted storyline potential in Chrono Trigger... --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 10:44:36 PM | message detail |
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If anything, people around here make Mario more expansive
than it should be, not less. I remember somebody asking why Mario Kart
wasn't considered part of the series when apparently, Mario Party was
since it wasn't in the contest. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| The n00b Avenger | Posted 7/19/2006 10:45:16 PM | message detail |
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Magus would be so much deeper if all the crap they hinted at in the game was outright stated. Like what, for example? --- ertyu and VeghEsther are truly proof that there is much about this world we still do not understand. |
| Lopen | Posted 7/19/2006 10:45:26 PM | message detail |
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Don't get me wrong, I like Magus too. But you can be a Magus fan and
not think he's deep. In fact, I wouldn't call most of the characters I
like "deep". Not really as important to me as most others... Depth is for characters that aren't interesting enough on their own merits! (except for Raiden, and Tidus, and ...) --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| dethfdddddh | Posted 7/19/2006 10:45:34 PM | message detail |
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Oh, how's the poll doing votals wise? --- Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch. |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 10:46:46 PM | message detail |
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While I enjoy a deep character, it's not a prerequisite. Ryu is one of
my favorite characters, and from what I've seen, he's essentially the
definition of a "one-dimensional character." Plus, I've got Kirby,
Knuckles, and Luigi in my top 10 as well. --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 10:47:09 PM | message detail |
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yeah, I never understood why a character had to have depth to be
likable. I usually find the lack of depth to be a good thing. maybe
that's why I like CT. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| MarioSuperstar | Posted 7/19/2006 10:47:13 PM | message detail |
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Crono's mom is pretty deep. --- “Back in my day we used to actually play our videogames instead of watching them.” - Vivi0198 |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 10:47:45 PM | message detail |
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Squall and Tidus have plenty of depth, yo! True! --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 10:48:16 PM | message detail |
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Hey, my second favorite character is Mario and you'd have to be crazy
to think he's deep at all. Nostalgia works too, as does style. Max
Payne isn't as deep as many would like to think, but his hardboiled
style is practically unsurpassed. Same for Dante and Leon Kennedy with
their ridiculous antics. The only character I could say is probably up there with the depth of other mediums *might* be Garcian Smith. And that's a bit of a stretch. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 10:48:20 PM | message detail |
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At the 1:45 mark, this match has 17424 votes. To compare with other matches at the same time: Metal Gear/Soul Calibur - 16238 SSB/DQ - 17958 RE/SH - 16883 Pokemon/Metroid - 18092 --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 10:49:00 PM | message detail |
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Crono's mom is pretty deep. Vyse's mom > Crono's mom > Ash's mom --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 10:49:16 PM | message detail |
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Depth is certainly not a requirement, but it never hurts to have it. I find the best characters are ones with plenty of depth. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| SquallidSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 10:50:38 PM | message detail |
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Actually, I think the problem is that a lot of the board's mentality is
that characters with no depth suck, and if you don't like them for
their mysterious background, you're a newbie. But what if I want to like Cloud Strife for his cool character design and Omnislash? WHY CAN'T I?! --- Some stories can't be told by words. Some legends are meant to die. Knowing your enemy is the quickest path to victory. |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 10:51:21 PM | message detail |
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I don't particularly care whether a character is deep, to tell the
truth. I like it best when a character has...y'know, character. They
should entertain me, and characters like HK-47 pull this off
spectacularly. I mean, depth is secondary to subtle insults about
meatbags along with copious amounts of violent threats. This is why I don't care for Link at all. He isn't deep, but more importantly he lacks character. Only in Wind Waker have they started to change this at all, and not only was a it a pale showing, but Twilight Princess seems to be a step backwards. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 10:51:32 PM | message detail |
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I guess it depends. chaos from Xenosaga, for example, is my favourite
video game character, and I'd say he's "deep", at least in the context
of a video game plot. on the other hand, I like Samus and she's nothing
more than a bunch of pixels that I use to kick space pirate ass. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| Ed Bellis | Posted 7/19/2006 10:51:55 PM | message detail |
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Like what, for example? Well... *Chrono Trigger spoilers* - Why he refused to tell Schala he was the Prophet, for one. This I could see, since he was so concerned with vengeance and all that, but what bugs me is that not once in the game is it stated that he regrets not telling her the truth. His search for her can be interpreted as perhaps a way to make it up to himself even more than her, but again, that's me filling in the blanks. I shouldn't have to do that to such a large extent. - Why he waged war against Guardia in the first place. Was he just using the Mystics to get to Lavos? If so, how? I really want to know this. - Who was his dad? Fanfic writers imply that Queen Zeal kinda... tampered with Lavos, and that's where Janus came from. That could have been an awesome plot point. Same with baby Janus's lack of magic. When did it develop? I would love to have seen more backstory on what Janus's life was like living with the Mystics. - Why didn't he try to save Alfador along with Schala? ;_; There is just so much in Chrono Trigger that's able to be expanded on and interpreted. It's seriously a fanfiction writer's paradise. But it's also an immense flaw of the game's storyline that so many damn questions go unanswered. There's leaving things to interpretation, and then there's just ignoring key elements of the plot. *end spoilers* --- This was Ed Bellis. Summer 2005 Fanfiction Project: http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=28403845 |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 10:52:23 PM | message detail |
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heh, I think you're the exception, KH. I think people like Link (and
Crono) because they're character-less - they just kick ass with their
sword. people seem to like that. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 10:53:36 PM | message detail |
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wow.. if you got that much out of CT's plot, I'd hate to see you play an RPG with actual depth! --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 10:53:36 PM | message detail |
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But what if I want to like Cloud Strife for his cool character design and Omnislash? WHY CAN'T I?! Everyone likes Cloud for one reason -- Omnislash. His character is completely secondary! --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 10:53:46 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, I know. I can't say I blame them (who doesn't like kicking ass with a sword?!). --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |