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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 319
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| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 9:35:28 PM | message detail |
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Small increase FTW!! --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Sir Bormun | Posted 7/19/2006 9:35:32 PM | message detail |
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It's so hard to figure out exactly where Fire Emblem ranks on the Cult RPGs that GameFAQs doesn't really care about-o-meter. Of course, there's the chance that there isn't much variation between Cult RPGs that GameFAQs doesn't really care about in strength. But I dunno. I think Fire Emblem's probably on the fairly strong side, but I think Metal Gear's gotta be worse than Smash Bros. by this result... Dragon Quest isn't worse than Fire Emblem by that much. Meaning we're going to have a fun quarterfinal match in MG's division after all. Funny how these pre-tourney predictions work out in the end, even after Halo and KH are looking pretty bad. --- Need new sig. |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 9:35:34 PM | message detail |
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yeah, good point there. you have to admit though, Knuckles did hold his own vs. Squall. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/19/2006 9:35:38 PM | message detail |
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I love how all the crazy people are jumping on the bandwagon. You've
got Lopen, who needs no introduction, Ed Bellis, who has the worst Guru
bracket of this contest, and me, who always has a cookie cutter bracket
except for the few upsets I pick, all of which never happen. It will make it all the sweeter when we prove you all wrong. --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| Slowflake | Posted 7/19/2006 9:36:32 PM | message detail |
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From transience | Posted 7/20/2006 12:35:34 AM | #103 yeah, good point there. you have to admit though, Knuckles did hold his own vs. Squall. Knuckles got a nice boost though. Without it, he would've never beaten Magus in the first place. --- Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 9:36:38 PM | message detail |
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Though I am loathe to say it, this could also mean MG has lost a bit of
a step since the Fall. Seeing playership of the original MGS outperform
that of the entire series is a warning sign, at least. But from the beginning I've been convinced that MG was going to win this division based on its opponent's weakness, not its strength. FE > SC, CV > Halo, Kingdom Hearts' lackluster performance on Harvest Moon...yeah, I'm thinking there's not much in the way. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 9:36:39 PM | message detail |
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Meaning we're going to have a fun quarterfinal match in MG's division after all. It will be very fun to see Metal Gear win with ease. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 9:36:51 PM | message detail |
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if a Lopen/Ed Bellis-led bandwagon screws me over, I'll just be in pure awe for the entire day. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 7/19/2006 9:37:19 PM | message detail |
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you have to admit though, Knuckles did hold his own vs. Squall. Which I expected. Well, he did a little better than I had hoped (I wanted Squall to outdo what Vincent did on Dante), but still, Knuckles doing so well wasn't all THAT surprising. ...And when you prove us wrong? What? --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| creativename | Posted 7/19/2006 9:37:32 PM | message detail |
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Someone posted about Castlevania breaking 40% on MGS. I would be quite surprised if it couldn't actually. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 9:37:32 PM | message detail |
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Knuckles got a nice boost though. Without it, he would've never beaten Magus in the first place. yeah, exactly. it wasn't all Magus like people seem to think. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 9:37:55 PM | message detail |
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I hope you are simply being facetious, because otherwise that is absurd. When talking about favorites/upsets/overkills/underperformances, one's own expectations are meaningless. Favorites/underdogs and such only have definition in a group context. And Oracle predictions/the BOP/the overall bracket %ages are the only things that define group expectations that we have. There's also a little thing called 'X-Stats'. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/19/2006 9:38:31 PM | message detail |
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...And when you prove us wrong? What? Tis just contest banter, Leon. Not to be taken seriously. Especially from me. --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| Slowflake | Posted 7/19/2006 9:38:33 PM | message detail |
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But what tells you the FF10/FFTA/FE7 chain was legit in the first place? --- Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego |
| Sir Bormun | Posted 7/19/2006 9:38:50 PM | message detail |
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if a Lopen/Ed Bellis-led bandwagon screws me over, I'll just be in pure awe for the entire day. Well yeah, but there's also the rule of "HM's flavor of the month during contests spectacularly disappoints." One of em's gotta be right this time. --- Need new sig. |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 7/19/2006 9:39:06 PM | message detail |
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Seeing playership of the original MGS outperform that of the entire series is a warning sign, at least. Well, I would actually expect playership of the original Metal Gear Solid to be very close to the overall play rate of the series. --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| cyko | Posted 7/19/2006 9:39:22 PM | message detail |
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Waitwaitwait. You're saying that CV has no chance of beating MG...yet this is somehow restoring your faith that KH will? i am half-asleep, but this poll still convinces me that Castlevania won't stack up to MGS: http://www.gamefaqs.com/poll/index.html?poll=1453 old poll, too many options to be reliable, yeah, yeah, i know. but i'm still convinced that CV is still the #2 Konami series. KH (and Harvest Moon, for that matter), on the other hand, is still kind of a wild card. it could go anywhere from getting pounded by CV to sneaking past MG. and if Fire Emblem hits 35.05% (and my math is right), then Silent Hill is even with Soul Calibur. --- "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women...." - Homer Simpson |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 7/19/2006 9:39:50 PM | message detail |
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but there's also the rule of "HM's flavor of the month during contests spectacularly disappoints." *sighs and shakes head* --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| creativename | Posted 7/19/2006 9:40:18 PM | message detail |
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Eh? Those have nothing to do with people's expectations which wouldn't
be reflected in Oracle consensus and the BOP. If they say one thing but
expectations are clearly another, then expectations are what they are.
Favorites are defined by who people favor. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 9:40:30 PM | message detail |
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old poll Well, it holds more weight than most other polls people bring up simply because it took place in 2003. That was when we saw respectable vote totals in these things. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Draco1214 | Posted 7/19/2006 9:40:39 PM | message detail |
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Metal Gear is winning its division. This should not be in question. --- Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2 |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/19/2006 9:41:13 PM | message detail |
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And FE rises again. I love the beginning of these polls, the percentages are so crazy. --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 9:41:43 PM | message detail |
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Well yeah, but there's also the rule of "HM's flavor of the month
during contests spectacularly disappoints." One of em's gotta be right
this time. yeah, and he's got Slow on his side too. if HM and Slow call the match for Metal Gear while Lopen and Ed Bellis are saying Castlevania's gonna win, I think the site breaks. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 9:41:46 PM | message detail |
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We won't have a close quarterfinal match. I've said it from the
beginning -- SC, Halo, and KH are chumps. CV getting 55% on one of the
chumps doesn't sway me, especially with the favorite poll in the wings
-- and something tells me MG isn't another Yoshi. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 7/19/2006 9:41:57 PM | message detail |
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And I know it's an odd question to ask, but...Does seeing Fire Emblem
outdo Soul Calibur suddenly make Street Fighter look worse? --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| creativename | Posted 7/19/2006 9:42:14 PM | message detail |
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Fire Emblem looking somewhat safe to finish above 30% here. Good performance by it. --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 9:43:22 PM | message detail |
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And it is probably plenty obvious, but in all seriousness, this being
Fire Emblem's strength moreso than anything else wouldn't be that
surprising. The Fire Emblem we saw back in the Spring Contest had been
out all of four months. Since then it has had time to reach more people
(I know I played it much later after the Spring Contest) and has had
two more games released since, both on the handheld and on console. The
sheer fact it was released here could have raised awareness and people
could have emulated old games and what not. And there's SSBM, which
could have helped, and all that FFX/FFTA/FE stuff. So yeah. << --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 7/19/2006 9:43:34 PM | message detail |
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And yes, I know, Street Fighter slaughters Soul Calibur, but contest
history has shown that fighting games really aren't all that favored. --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 9:44:15 PM | message detail |
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Eh? Those have nothing to do with people's expectations which
wouldn't be reflected in Oracle consensus and the BOP. If they say one
thing but expectations are clearly another, then expectations are what
they are. Favorites are defined by who people favor. I don't CARE what people's expecations are; get that through your head. You wanted to contend that there's no way one could think Metal Gear's performance on Soul Calibur was 'overkill'. Looking at the X-Stats, it was just that. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/19/2006 9:45:08 PM | message detail |
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Just to clarify, I think this is more FE's strength than anything,
which I said was underrated from the beginning. I just like
entertaining the thought of such a huge upset. --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 9:45:26 PM | message detail |
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yeah, and he's got Slow on his side too. if HM and Slow call the
match for Metal Gear while Lopen and Ed Bellis are saying Castlevania's
gonna win, I think the site breaks. The solution is that Kingdom Hearts wins the division. Everyone wins then (except me). --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 9:45:52 PM | message detail |
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FastFalcon wins, and we cannot have that. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 7/19/2006 9:46:01 PM | message detail |
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Actually, you win because you share the same initials! --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| Sir Bormun | Posted 7/19/2006 9:46:04 PM | message detail |
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SC being this bad off can't be good for Street Fighter, really. Still, I think SF's got a decent shot against Resident Evil. And I do agree that MG will win the division. I doubt it'll go under, say, 53 or 54%. It'll be one of those matches where it seems close on paper but followers of the contest yawn and say it's a solid win... unless KH goes against every trend that's been popping up in this contest and stuns it. Well that or, as tranny says, the site'll break. --- Need new sig. |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/19/2006 9:46:07 PM | message detail |
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I don't CARE what people's expecations are; get that through your
head. You wanted to contend that there's no way one could think Metal
Gear's performance on Soul Calibur was 'overkill'. Looking at the
X-Stats, it was just that. Say what? This is a series contest. Games stats are pretty much irrelevant, as are character stats. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| Lopen | Posted 7/19/2006 9:46:23 PM | message detail |
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yeah, and he's got Slow on his side too. if HM and Slow call the
match for Metal Gear while Lopen and Ed Bellis are saying Castlevania's
gonna win, I think the site breaks. XD And I know it's an odd question to ask, but...Does seeing Fire Emblem outdo Soul Calibur suddenly make Street Fighter look worse? Foolishness! No! No! Not at all! In fact I'd be more inclined to say it makes Kingdom Hearts look worse. But I wouldn't even say that. And the thing with this being moreso Fire Emblem's strength is... the higher you raise Fire Emblem, the higher you raise Silent Hill. Is Silent Hill anything with significant strength?! --- Raiden is still [!!] nominations short! http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs9/genmessage.php?board=8&topic=27664244 |
| Xuxon | Posted 7/19/2006 9:46:58 PM | message detail |
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Kirby is Higher than Samus in the Xstats. Clearly, if the consensus
predicts Samus with 70% and she wins with 68%, it's overkill. Wait,
what? --- "Let's drop this Xbox statue on Naomi's head! Oof! This thing's big! It'll take over 3 years for it to start selling!" ~ Jaguar, Sega Fantasy VI |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 9:47:00 PM | message detail |
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this site has never really been in favor of fighting games, with the
exception of SSBM. SF2 lost badly to Mario RPG and it's supposed to
beat the overwhelming Game of the Year? unless people take SF's
importance into account, RE should win this handily. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| creativename | Posted 7/19/2006 9:47:41 PM | message detail |
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And it is probably plenty obvious, but in all seriousness, this
being Fire Emblem's strength moreso than anything else wouldn't be that
surprising. I agree, though really it's too early to tell. But before the FE/SH match I brought up the GameCube FE game, which I haven't seen anyone else mention, and I recall a response to me not taking that game seriously. Any reason for this? Even if that game didn't do well, it's still a GameCube console RPG, an RPG (a dominant genre at this site) on a system which seems to lack them, and which might be the top console here. I would think this would have an effect. Yet the game isn't mentioned at all? --- www.gamefaqscontests.com www.gamefaqscontests.com/gallery |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 9:47:57 PM | message detail |
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And the thing with this being moreso Fire Emblem's strength is...
the higher you raise Fire Emblem, the higher you raise Silent Hill. Is
Silent Hill anything with significant strength?! Well, Metal Gear is beating Fire Emblem with 68% and Fire Emblem beat Silent Hill with 57%, so I'm not sure how "significant" it ends up being. But Silent Hill not being absolute trash? Sure, I can see that. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 7/19/2006 9:48:17 PM | message detail |
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In fact I'd be more inclined to say it makes Kingdom Hearts look worse. But I wouldn't even say that. Confused. Explain. And the thing with this being moreso Fire Emblem's strength is... the higher you raise Fire Emblem, the higher you raise Silent Hill. Is Silent Hill anything with significant strength?! Well, Metal Gear is pulling 70% on it, meaning that FF and Zelda would probably push 85%, so...no, it doesn't. Wait, Silent Hill > Diablo? Crap. --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| cyko | Posted 7/19/2006 9:48:29 PM | message detail |
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here's a pair of equations (with FE at 31.87%) - if KH is even with MGS, then FE gets 57.83% on Harvest Moon. if SSB is even with MGS, then FE gets 62.93% on Dragon Quest. is Fire Emblem really that strong, or do you think it would score even higher against DQ and HM? --- "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women...." - Homer Simpson |
| Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 9:48:56 PM | message detail |
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Wait, Silent Hill > Diablo? Crap. Yeah, but what isn't greater than Diablo these days!! Heh. --- "Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 9:49:11 PM | message detail |
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Say what? This is a series contest. Games stats are pretty much irrelevant, as are character stats. Not exactly, the individual games in question can be measured and compared (and many people attempted to do so, with limited success). SC outperforms MGS2 and MGS in the X-Stats. Common consensus is that MGS was SFFed, but common consensus was that SCII was much more popular than SCI. Then there's MGS3 and SCIII as wildcards, with the original MG games at negligible level. They're not utterly useless like many seem to think. --- Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior. |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 7/19/2006 9:49:22 PM | message detail |
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it's supposed to beat the overwhelming Game of the Year? No, it's supposed to beat the series of the overwhelming Game of the Year. Wait...crap. --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 9:49:23 PM | message detail |
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hmm.. let me ask a question: FE or Dragon Quest? I said FE during DQ's match and this is definitely confirming it.. but by how much? I wonder if SSB would beat Metal Gear... --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| transience | Posted 7/19/2006 9:50:00 PM | message detail |
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wow, cyko beat me to it. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/19/2006 9:50:32 PM | message detail |
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Holy crap, I just remembered something. Look at the board's opinions on these matches: Spring 2004 Halo/Starcraft could be close, but whoever wins is just Kingdom Hearts jobber. Summer (lol delays) 2006 Halo/Castlevania could be close, but whoever wins is Kingdom Hearts jobber. And since we all know how the former turned out, this obviously means that Castlevania will beat KH! >_> --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/19/2006 9:50:44 PM | message detail |
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What would everyone take in Dragon Quest vs. Fire Emblem? Before the
contest, I would've taken DQ without any real questions, but this match
obviously creates some doubt. Even if FE slaughters DQ, SSB vs. MG is
still a very close match, and I doubt FE would be doing any
slaughtering. --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| LegendarySnake | Posted 7/19/2006 9:50:56 PM | message detail |
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if KH is even with MGS, then FE gets 57.83% on Harvest Moon. It would almost be worth seeing Kingdom Hearts beat Metal Gear if only I get the opportunity to see Harvest Moon > Silent Hill. And I thought Yu-Gi-Oh > Silent Hill was hilarious! --- I am the man who makes the impossible possible. I am the man, the legend: Solid Snake! |