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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/20/2006 11:16:15 AM | message detail

FastFalcon wins, and we cannot have that.

^_^ !

We should have that though, just once.
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consolefreak | Posted 7/20/2006 11:18:28 AM | message detail

Probably a mixture of both and probably nothing to worry about since Metal Gear's path is pretty cut and dry. Still, it'd be nice to still see it nail that fourth strongest series deal.

Absolutely. I don't even understand all the counter-argumenting towards the pic having an influence when it's pretty much an accepted fact that Snake underperforms in sprite rounds.

But no matter how you turn it, Fire Emblem's performance is impressive, even if I do think it's pretty exaggerated (I seriously don't see it beating Soul Calibur).
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consolefreak | Posted 7/20/2006 11:20:12 AM | message detail

That pretty much is the reason. Pictures really only matter for voters who don't have a strong connection to either series. They will still easily recognize Metal Gear(because even non-fans recognize the name Metal Gear) but may have more trouble with Fire Emblem. A picture would help them remember Fire Emblem better. Even if I'm wrong on this, I still can't see Metal Gear being hurt signifcantly more than Fire Emblem by a bad picture.

Eh, I don't know. Fire Emblem certainly has fewer fans, but they're pretty hardcore I think. Anyway, Fire Emblem doesn't suffer from this lack of recognizability today, no matter how ugly its pic is.
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MnMZero | Posted 7/20/2006 11:22:02 AM | message detail

Pictures really only matter for voters who don't have a strong connection to either series.

Or have a strong connection for both for which there isn't a set favorite! <_<
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Yesmar | Posted 7/20/2006 11:25:17 AM | message detail

I don't think that Fire Emblem can't have some intrinsic strength on GameFAQS, but I can't imagine that a series strong enough to legitimately pull off this performance against Metal Gear could only get 57% against probable fodder like Silent Hill.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/20/2006 11:26:19 AM | message detail

I love how all the crazy people are jumping on the bandwagon. You've got Lopen, who needs no introduction, Ed Bellis, who has the worst Guru bracket of this contest, and me, who always has a cookie cutter bracket except for the few upsets I pick, all of which never happen.

It will make it all the sweeter when we prove you all wrong.

Not to mention the crazy SO > Pokemon supporters!

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consolefreak | Posted 7/20/2006 11:32:06 AM | message detail

You picked Kingdom Hearts? Looks like RPGuy will be the one to continue the perfect bracket for the stats topic!!

It looks so indeed. What does he have for SF/RE, FF/LoZ and Sonic/SSB?

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DeepHyren12 | Posted 7/20/2006 11:32:41 AM | message detail

Take these three factors into consideration:

1.) The name of the series listed is "Metal Gear" not "Metal Gear Solid.
2.) The pictures are sprites from the old Metal Gear games.
3.) Some fans might know of the seperation between MM and MMX and assume a similar split between MG/MGS. Given that "solid" at the end, it's not very hard to imagine them being considered two seperate series.

Now, is every voter going to think this way? Of course not. But if 5% think they're voting for MG instead of MGS, it could significantly tilt the results in favor of FE.

And no, I'm not biased. I'm a huge fan of FE and am desperately hoping for MG weakness fo CV or KH can pull off the upset. But something doesn't add up here.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/20/2006 11:33:29 AM | message detail

I'll have to read through it tomorrow

If you're expecting stat-related things, prepare to be disappointed.

Still, this has been a fun topic.

Just getting past there now, but it's still fun.
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consolefreak | Posted 7/20/2006 11:33:48 AM | message detail

do people still use X-stats for a character battle?

I certainly will next contest, to some extent. Why?
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shadow8021 | Posted 7/20/2006 11:42:03 AM | message detail

Geez, MG is doing horrible.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/20/2006 11:42:24 AM | message detail

Ugh, I sincerely am not a fan of how Snake gets these sprite excuses during his matches. I've always been a pictures don't really matter type of person, and if I wasn't leaving in a bit, I'd go find all of snake's sprite rounds just to find out meaningful any of the results are.

More valid is the "maybe they're voting for Metal Gear and not Metal Gear Solid" option. However, I still don't really buy into that, either. We always innately question the intelligence of the voters, but I think they're smart enough to remember this is round two, and it's still the same metal gear they voted for last round. This is a disappointing result for MG (and getting more and more disappointing each update, evidently) and it only point to one thing:

Kingdom Hearts over Metal Gear!
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/20/2006 11:43:30 AM | message detail

Absolutely. I don't even understand all the counter-argumenting towards the pic having an influence when it's pretty much an accepted fact that Snake underperforms in sprite rounds.

Eh, there are still people who think Bowser is stronger than Ganon, so obviously not.

I don't think it's a big underperformance by MG, but it would be doing about 2% better with an MGS pic, IMO.

Or have a strong connection for both for which there isn't a set favorite! <_<

Despite never having played a Sonic game and playing all the Mario games, Shadow's pic against Mario was enough to convince me to vote Shadow. I think a lot of others probably felt the same way there.
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DeepHyren12 | Posted 7/20/2006 11:44:35 AM | message detail

66/34 exactly! C'mon, FE, bring this to 35!
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/20/2006 11:44:53 AM | message detail

DeepHyren12 | Posted 7/20/2006 11:49:03 AM | message detail

According to my calculations, if FE keeps this up it'll bring down MG to 63.7 before the end of the match.
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XIII_rocks | Posted 7/20/2006 12:04:25 PM | message detail

It looks so indeed. What does he have for SF/RE, FF/LoZ and Sonic/SSB?

I know he has Street Fighter and Sonic, not sure about FF/LoZ. I think he picked FF, though.
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Kaxon | Posted 7/20/2006 12:05:06 PM | message detail

I don't particularly care whether a character is deep, to tell the truth. I like it best when a character has...y'know, character. They should entertain me, and characters like HK-47 pull this off spectacularly. I mean, depth is secondary to subtle insults about meatbags along with copious amounts of violent threats.

I'm kind of late for the characters discussion, but this is pretty much how I feel about characters. The things I care about are personality and character design, in that order. Depth is just a little bonus, if they have it. My two all time favorite characters, Mint (Dewprism) and Lilly (Suikoden III) have no depth whatsoever, they just have awesome attitudes and some really funny lines. Crono is another one - sure, he doesn't say much, but he's got tons of personality just from the way he looks and acts.
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LusterSoldier | Posted 7/20/2006 12:09:17 PM | message detail

Wow, these topics fill up quickly.
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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/20/2006 12:13:31 PM | message detail

I've never used depth to determine my favorite video game characters. I'll take Link's hookshotin', Ocelot's gun twirlin', Snake's chain smokin', HK's meatbag slammin', and Mario's pasta eatin' attitudes any day. When I want depth, I'll take to a real person or something.

Slowflake | Posted 7/20/2006 12:15:38 PM | message detail

Blazer wins the internet.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/20/2006 12:32:42 PM | message detail

You picked Kingdom Hearts? Looks like RPGuy will be the one to continue the perfect bracket for the stats topic!!

Sorry, but I lost my perfect on WarCraft/GTA. Castlevania, Smash Bros., Resident Evil, and Final Fantasy winning would put me at -1.
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SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/20/2006 12:43:07 PM | message detail

Ah, yeah. I keep forgetting that match actually took out a lot of the perfects here. Bah.

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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/20/2006 12:43:38 PM | message detail

Oh, and for those complaining about the match pic, Fire Emblem's sprite is from a game that came out only in Japan. Even a lot of hardcore Fire Emblem fans haven't played Mystery of the Emblem, because a translation patch didn't exist until about two weeks ago when I finished half the game. If there was a Blazing Sword Lord there instead of Marth, you might have a point, but a Mystery of the Emblem sprite doesn't really help Fire Emblem. It's really a delightfully bad picture for both sides.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/20/2006 12:47:30 PM | message detail

...I still don't get how the argument that Metal Gear is underperforming due to the lack of "Solid" in its name has any merit. As mnm is fond of saying, the voters aren't stupid, and they won't not vote for a series because the name is a little different than they're used to. People who know MGS are presumably familiar enough with the name (since you can't, y'know, say "Metal Gear Solid" without "Metal Gear") to make the distinction.

Isn't mnm one of the biggest supporters of MM meaning classic only?

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consolefreak | Posted 7/20/2006 12:57:58 PM | message detail

Eh, there are still people who think Bowser is stronger than Ganon, so obviously not.

Actually I would have to agree on that. Well, he is at least more dependable and consistent. But I do think Bowser got closer to Snake than he should've been, after seeing Snake's percentages on Zelda and a -very- impressive Mario.

I know he has Street Fighter and Sonic, not sure about FF/LoZ. I think he picked FF, though.

Then I think he may just end up getting a perfect.

Sorry, but I lost my perfect on WarCraft/GTA. Castlevania, Smash Bros., Resident Evil, and Final Fantasy winning would put me at -1.

.. or not.

Oh, and for those complaining about the match pic, Fire Emblem's sprite is from a game that came out only in Japan. Even a lot of hardcore Fire Emblem fans haven't played Mystery of the Emblem, because a translation patch didn't exist until about two weeks ago when I finished half the game. If there was a Blazing Sword Lord there instead of Marth, you might have a point, but a Mystery of the Emblem sprite doesn't really help Fire Emblem. It's really a delightfully bad picture for both sides.

The bandit guy is from the GBA Fire Emblems though, and very recognizable.

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steve illumina | Posted 7/20/2006 12:58:40 PM | message detail

You picked Kingdom Hearts? Looks like RPGuy will be the one to continue the perfect bracket for the stats topic!!

Nope, he messed up on GTA..leaving me as the stats topic's sole analyst/poster Perfect :)

And I aint relinquishing this tomorrow either. The power of Cloud and Sephy & Aeris et al will overcome.

To quote Ceej: "Never underestimate the power of fanboyism!"
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/20/2006 1:02:28 PM | message detail

The more I think about it, the more it wouldn't surprise me if Fire Emblem was stronger than Metal Gear.

Come on. Nobody else caught this? Oh well. Looks like it's up to me:

"Oh really, Ed? The results tell me differently!"
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/20/2006 1:03:35 PM | message detail

oh my god hay guys look at that tag at the very end of the stats topic
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Janus5000 | Posted 7/20/2006 1:03:57 PM | message detail

The power of Cloud and Sephy & Aeris et al will overcome.

It's a real shame that those three don't hurt KH.

*runs*
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/20/2006 1:10:02 PM | message detail

And I'm finally caught up with the stats topics, Jesus Christ I hate you guys, filling it up with jibber jabber about that despicable Chrono Trigger.

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trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 1:10:50 PM | message detail

whatever, Dante fanboy
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steve illumina | Posted 7/20/2006 1:11:24 PM | message detail

I know he has Street Fighter and Sonic, not sure about FF/LoZ. I think he picked FF, though.

Then I think he may just end up getting a perfect.

You think correct, my friend! So then, here are Steve's Remaining Picks, for the curious in all of us! :)

KH!
Mario...
Sonic!
FF...
SF!

Zelda
MG
Mario
FF

Zelda
FF

FF wins! (duh)

Basically, for those who really are lost, there really are only 3 matches to really worry about: tomorrow's, then Sunday, then Tuesday. I get through them unscathed...and I shall achieve Board 8 Immortality...among other things!

:)
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consolefreak | Posted 7/20/2006 1:12:31 PM | message detail

^^ eh I actually read that as Resident Evil beating Street Fighter. I'm pretty sure it will :p
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longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/20/2006 1:12:40 PM | message detail

I wish I knew what everybodys grudge against CT and CC was :(
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trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 1:12:47 PM | message detail

your fedor-esque reaction to having a perfect bracket so far has already given you immortality. all you need to do now is be a little bit louder to cement your reputation.
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Tediz247 | Posted 7/20/2006 1:14:18 PM | message detail

A perfect in a 32-entry field won't even be as impressive as Aeon Azuran's perfect first round in 2K3.
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steve illumina | Posted 7/20/2006 1:15:08 PM | message detail

You must be talkin bout those perfect losers...the zero brackets! :)
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trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 1:16:15 PM | message detail

barring something huge happening (and the only thing I can think of is CV > MG), there's going to be multiple perfects, and probably quite a few of them. I don't think having a perfect bracket in a 32-item field is really as impressive as it seems.
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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/20/2006 1:17:37 PM | message detail

I don't know about that. We lost a quarter of the perfects on Metroid/Pokemon...which was admittedly a lot closer than we thought, but still.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/20/2006 1:17:48 PM | message detail

Having a perfect bracket in a 32 entry field isn't as impressive. Balrog0 should have had one in SC2K4, except for the odd choice of KOS-MOS > Ryu.
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steve illumina | Posted 7/20/2006 1:18:36 PM | message detail

A perfect in a 32-entry field won't even be as impressive as Aeon Azuran's perfect first round in 2K3.

I got tons of respect for that, believe me, but to finish an entire contest with a perfect, or even win, is harder for sure and that is what peeps will remember for as long as this site has contests! :)
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/20/2006 1:18:45 PM | message detail

whatever, Dante fanboy

Your mom is a dante fanboy.

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steve illumina | Posted 7/20/2006 1:19:29 PM | message detail

No she would be a 'fanmom'
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Tediz247 | Posted 7/20/2006 1:19:40 PM | message detail

Didn't someone else only get Vyse/Laharl wrong?
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steve illumina | Posted 7/20/2006 1:20:21 PM | message detail

I will be the first...and I shall be remembered for it! :)
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/20/2006 1:20:44 PM | message detail

I got tons of respect for that, believe me, but to finish an entire contest with a perfect, or even win, is harder for sure and that is what peeps will remember for as long as this site has contests! :)

Not really.. you only need to get 31 matches right for this, you need 32 for a perfect first round.

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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/20/2006 1:21:08 PM | message detail

Jack Sparrow > Ariel
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trannyscience | Posted 7/20/2006 1:21:09 PM | message detail

not to mention that first round matches are harder than later matches.
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Read_Only_Thx | Posted 7/20/2006 1:21:12 PM | message detail

Pokemon > Metal Gear.
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