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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/19/2006 8:36:28 PM | message detail
Then explain to me why Chrono as a series would NOT be weak when it's essentially relying on ONE game? I don't care if it's the third strongest game on the site. That's not going to help it in a Series Contest.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/19/2006 8:38:40 PM | message detail
Mario was considered to be one, but his destruction of her laid that to rest -- and yet, the stats have Samus being nearly his equal.

But the whole point is that the Nintendo fanbase heavily favors Mario, making it possible for him to rSFF her to that extent. I don't understand why people think things can only rSFF someone/thing in a loss, nothing would please me more than to see Mario/Cloud & Samus/Cloud or Mario/Seph & Samus/Seph next year to finally be able to prove to everyone that Samus is indirectly stronger than Mario so long as it isn't against the Nintendo fanbase.

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 8:40:55 PM | message detail
To be fair, Mega Man outperformed Mario in 2k3 on Sephy and I don't see Mario losing to him. But then again, I'm of the opinion that Mario got a fair bit of backlash from what is probably the most controversial match in contest history, thus underrating him a tad.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/19/2006 8:41:27 PM | message detail
And yeah, I have to go with the Chrono = not that strong as a series club too. Everything has shown so far in this contest that 2 series games aren't gonna do so well. And after CV beats KH and Sonic, SSB, it should become even more apparent.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/19/2006 8:41:57 PM | message detail
I'd wager that Mega Man was stronger indirectly in 2003 and 2004 based on their matches with Crono. It's just that Mario mega boosted in 2005.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 8:42:28 PM | message detail
If CV > KH and Sonic > SSB I will *definitely* hop on the bandwagon (though I already have to an extent). But I still consider KH and SSB the favorites to win, so I'm weird.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/19/2006 8:42:33 PM | message detail
Yeah, well there's really no other way to prove that Samus is indirectly stronger than Mario on a common, non nintendo opponent than Seph or Cloud.

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Samurai7 | Posted 7/19/2006 8:42:37 PM | message detail
well, it's just taking past results into consideration. I love both Chrono games, but when every two-game series shows weakness, it's tough not to group it into the field. the only one that's managed to impress so far is SSB.

And yet Chrono Trigger > SSB:M

Chrono would be stronger.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/19/2006 8:43:26 PM | message detail
SSB has not impressed, it went up against friggin' Dragon Quest.

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Lopen | Posted 7/19/2006 8:43:31 PM | message detail
There's no error, there, Moltar. I've been saying that Fire Emblem and SH were Grade A fodder since the beginning. I don't see why Metal Gear of all franchises should have a problem blowing out fodder hardcore.

87% I'd be a bit weary of... but ~82.5%? Easy point, I say!
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/19/2006 8:44:05 PM | message detail
Not necessarily, both SSB and SSB:M are strong, whereas CC is much, much weaker than CT.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 8:44:38 PM | message detail
And yet Chrono Trigger > SSB:M

Chrono would be stronger.


SSB > CC doesn't enter into the equation?

And I still think Crono took a wee bit of a dive in 2k5. Even with Mario's massive boost, there were a lot of underperfoming signs right up to there...and he shouldn't have lost that badly, really.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/19/2006 8:47:36 PM | message detail
And I still think Crono took a wee bit of a dive in 2k5. Even with Mario's massive boost, there were a lot of underperfoming signs right up to there...and he shouldn't have lost that badly, really.

But he did almost exactly what he was expected to do against Mega Man and Vercetti. Honestly, I don't trust Master Chief, and Vincent was a wild card anyway. We can't gauge him off of Zidane either.
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SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 8:48:32 PM | message detail
87% I'd be a bit weary of... but ~82.5%? Easy point, I say!

For me!

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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/19/2006 8:49:30 PM | message detail
I think Crono is pretty stable. If he has decreased, it's probable a marginal dive at best. He showed us that he's still one of the top six Noble Niners, after all.
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transience | Posted 7/19/2006 8:50:16 PM | message detail
mnm's prediction: Metal Gear with 77.74%
Soul's prediction: Metal Gear wins with 77.77% of the vote.
HM's prediction: Metal Gear with 78%

hey, uh, KH...

also, Lopen ain't winning this one. holy crap.
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Lopen | Posted 7/19/2006 8:50:57 PM | message detail
Yeah, yeah, HM... whatever... ~82.8%... not to say it's gonna be even close to that low.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/19/2006 8:51:19 PM | message detail
Hey, if Lopen wins this point, it won't hurt my feelings a bit.

And honestly, I really want to see Samus vs. Mega Man and/or Crono. Potential barnburners there.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 8:51:51 PM | message detail
But Vercetti underperformed a good bit on Kefka, even factoring the cheating into account. And I think Mega has slipped a tiny bit, too...him losing to Sonic wasn't even supposed to be a possibility unless he didn't suffer any SFF against Link. Yeah, Sonic boosted, but I still think Mega 2k3 doesn't let him get *that* close.

And no matter how nonlinear I know the Chief is, seeing Crono's performance barely outdoing Aeris' raises my eyebrow every time I see it.
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Lopen | Posted 7/19/2006 8:52:00 PM | message detail
also, Lopen ain't winning this one. holy crap.

That's what they said yesterday, and the day before, fool!
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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/19/2006 8:52:29 PM | message detail
Today's match is definitely making me think about taking Mega Man. Before this contest, I would have been supporting Samus 100%.
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SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 8:52:29 PM | message detail
It would be fantastic for Metal Gear to actually get as high as what Lopen is predicting, but it will not and I will be getting the point as a result!!

The highest I was going was 80%, but I even lowered it a bit before I submitted it!

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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 8:53:28 PM | message detail
Why must my failures mount upon high while Lopen suddenly catapults into glory? HOW COULD THIS HAPPEN TO MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/19/2006 8:53:42 PM | message detail
And honestly, I really want to see Samus vs. Mega Man and/or Crono. Potential barnburners there.

Samus > Crono casts absolutely no doubt in my mind... MM is a bit trickier, all that despite me taking Crono > MM.

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YoAriel33 | Posted 7/19/2006 8:53:56 PM | message detail
I wouldn't be too shocked if Metal Gear cracked 80%. I mean, Fire Emblem? What's a Fire Emblem?
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 8:53:58 PM | message detail
(Stupid posting limit!)

That's what they said yesterday, and the day before, fool!

Pfft. Get in line, buddy. I was getting two consecutive points before you even thought about it!

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transience | Posted 7/19/2006 8:55:37 PM | message detail
hmm... I say Metroid with 48% of the brackets.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/19/2006 8:56:03 PM | message detail
But Vercetti underperformed a good bit on Kefka, even factoring the cheating into account.

Actually, that 70% mark was going through a static Kefka. Crono is only expected to double Vercetti based on his 2004 number.

And I think Mega has slipped a tiny bit, too...him losing to Sonic wasn't even supposed to be a possibility unless he didn't suffer any SFF against Link. Yeah, Sonic boosted, but I still think Mega 2k3 doesn't let him get *that* close.

Sonic wasn't really out of Mega Man's league even without it. He was expected to get 46.62% on adjusted Blue Bomber. The boost just made it closer.

And no matter how nonlinear I know the Chief is, seeing Crono's performance barely outdoing Aeris' raises my eyebrow every time I see it.

LOL Halo 2 and lessened XBox anti-voting
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Lopen | Posted 7/19/2006 8:56:44 PM | message detail
And you know what? Even if Metal Gear does make my %age, I still think Castlevania (Kingdom Hearts!?) will make it close. This has nothing to do with me thinking any higher of Metal Gear than you expected, but rather thinking lower of Fire Emblem than you expected.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/19/2006 8:56:51 PM | message detail
Like I said in the other topic, Metroid with 55% of the brackets.
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/19/2006 8:57:14 PM | message detail
Samus > Crono casts absolutely no doubt in my mind

Well, that depends on whether you actually think Samus is indirectly stronger than Mario. If not, it's a potentially great match.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 8:57:58 PM | message detail
Even if Metal Gear does make my %age, I still think Castlevania (Kingdom Hearts!?) will make it close.

And you'll still be wrong come match time!

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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/19/2006 8:58:03 PM | message detail
And I think she is... by a nice margin to boot.

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charmander6000 | Posted 7/19/2006 8:58:35 PM | message detail
Metroid with 41.48%
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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/19/2006 8:59:29 PM | message detail
"By a nice margin" is where we'll have to disagree.

Speaking of Metroid, I'll shoot a little high. 60.55% of the brackets.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/19/2006 9:00:18 PM | message detail
Metal Gear 48.72% 19
Fire Emblem 51.28% 20
TOTAL VOTES 39

=O!!
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transience | Posted 7/19/2006 9:00:19 PM | message detail
Metal Gear 25% 1
Fire Emblem 75% 3
TOTAL VOTES 4

take that
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/19/2006 9:00:36 PM | message detail
57.29% for Metroid, not too bad
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transience | Posted 7/19/2006 9:00:43 PM | message detail
whoa, and Leonhart with the point there.
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Janus5000 | Posted 7/19/2006 9:00:51 PM | message detail
Metal Gear 48.33% 29
Fire Emblem 51.67% 31
TOTAL VOTES 60

lol KonamiFAQs

Not nearly enough perfects had Pokémon =(
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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/19/2006 9:00:56 PM | message detail
WTF? There were two polls yesterday? And Metroid vs. Pokemon's vote total was still that high? Unbelievable.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/19/2006 9:01:11 PM | message detail
Metal Gear 48.33% 29
Fire Emblem 51.67% 31
TOTAL VOTES 60

WTF?
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Lopen | Posted 7/19/2006 9:01:15 PM | message detail
Clearly this is just a massive board vote. We're teeming with Fire Emblem fans, here!
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cyko | Posted 7/19/2006 9:01:21 PM | message detail
49 mbeverage 20 Super Smash Bros.

wtf...........

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/19/2006 9:01:33 PM | message detail
Well, that depends on whether you actually think Samus is indirectly stronger than Mario. If not, it's a potentially great match.

Thats basically saying Samus is stronger than Mega Man...
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 9:01:34 PM | message detail
Metal Gear 65.75% 311
Fire Emblem 34.25% 162
TOTAL VOTES 473


Damn board vote is holding Metal Gear back!

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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/19/2006 9:02:02 PM | message detail
Yeah, this board just loves fire emblem I think. I know I do at least. >_>

Still though, mgs is definitely not getting 87%.
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transience | Posted 7/19/2006 9:02:16 PM | message detail
Castlevania is so beating Metal Gear!

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/19/2006 9:02:52 PM | message detail
There were two polls yesterday? And Metroid vs. Pokemon's vote total was still that high? Unbelievable.

I'm surprised the second poll got votes at all, to be quite honest. I would've never noticed it if somebody hadn't pointed it out to me.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 9:02:56 PM | message detail
Still though, mgs is definitely not getting 87%.

Everyone except Lopen knew that was silly to begin with! Now 78% ...

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