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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/19/2006 2:53:49 PM | message detail
MARTH!
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UltimaterializerX | Posted 7/19/2006 2:54:34 PM | message detail
Of the four sprites, I only recognize the Brigand.

Who is that all the way on the right?

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Draco1214 | Posted 7/19/2006 2:54:38 PM | message detail
That has to be the ugliest picture I've ever seen.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/19/2006 2:54:55 PM | message detail
...oh, wow. I see it now. With the cape and the head and the...

...wow.

...SPINNING STAR KICK!
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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/19/2006 2:55:36 PM | message detail
Of the four sprites, I only recognize the Brigand.

Marth's Mystery of the Emblem second attack animation. :p
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heroic tranny | Posted 7/19/2006 2:56:07 PM | message detail
that picture kicks ass. I love it.

book it: Fire Emblem gets 47%!!!

man, if Chrono was in this, we'd be talking about it overperforming thanks to sprites.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/19/2006 2:56:44 PM | message detail
...so that is Marth, eh? Well, I don't think we'll have to worry about Melee skewing the votes at all. Jesus...

I honestly would venture to say Metal Gear has the advantage in this pic.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/19/2006 2:57:16 PM | message detail
Nah, Chrono would be out by now. 7-seed fodder and all that.

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Pikawil100 | Posted 7/19/2006 2:58:08 PM | message detail
Oh crap, it's Solid ****'s revenge!
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Tediz247 | Posted 7/19/2006 3:00:00 PM | message detail
XD at the pic. It's terrible, yet delightfully so. I'm convinced that CJayC uses Solid **** just to spite us.
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heroic tranny | Posted 7/19/2006 3:00:36 PM | message detail
tomorrow's poll needs a third option: WHAT THE HELL IS THAT
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RPGuy96 | Posted 7/19/2006 3:04:16 PM | message detail
Hey, at least Ceej didn't use Dragon of Darkness and Sword of Light Marth. Because his sprite isn't wearing any pants in that particular game.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/19/2006 3:06:52 PM | message detail
He still looks pantsless in this one, though. Makes me wish they didn't change that for Melee. >_>
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steve illumina | Posted 7/19/2006 3:13:48 PM | message detail
Revered on 7 continents...admired from Board 8 to LUE and back again...he is...

Steve Illumina

Making my way out from the curtains, holding a lil mic..."Greetings to all my fans and fanbabies, to the noobs and elites alike! I am of course, Steve Illumina, your resident satirical analyst..."

"As is traditional here on Steve Illumina Speaks, we begin with the Tale of the Tape, or shall I say, the Disc"

'The truck have started to move!'
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'If the stomach is empty, empty, too, lies the heart.' (Lowen for those who dont know)

Sage's Pick: The Cardboard Box!
Fanbabies' Pick: The BombBlast Suit!
Blast from the Past: Ai Samurai's Pick: Fire Emblem

OK my loyal fans! Welcome back to another edition of Steve Illumina speaks. I am your host, Steve, the Sage of Board 8, and my Perfect bracket, now at 20-0 since Ridley's victory, continues to impress me, and all of you, my loyal fans!

Now today yours truly must vent. And this time, it is about Fire Emblem. We got a Sweet 16 this summer of 14 real gaming series that have made their mark historically, economically, in cinema, in cereal bowls, as company mascots, etc. But we also got a one hit wonder called SSBM, and a 2nd tier RPG set that really has not done anything but be in the right place at the right time. It dont belong here...and tomorrow Snake and friends will show us why.

Now every season, respected elite analysts like me, as well as noobs, fanbabies and other Board 8 movers and shakers all are angry because 1 game, or series, or character or villian or whatever is missing. Their spot taken by some ham n' egger that dont belong! So in that tradition...I give you...a sample bracket that could have been...16 series that were neglected...or were outnominated by the dweebs who plague RPGFAQs... And for even more fun...I 'roleplayed' all the matches in it to simulate probable results!

1 Chrono Trigger vs 16 Grandia The overworshipped one hit wonder Chrono would have no trouble wiping the floor with 2nd tier RPG series Grandia in the first match.

8 Yu-Gi-Oh! vs 9 Gradius The first scrolling space shooter to grace the contests EVER, and it would impress, capturing the old school and nostalgia votes to upset fading fad Yu-Gi-Oh!

4 Tetris vs 13 SimCity The PC vote would not be enough, as SimCity would be beaten pretty badly by casual fav Tetris.

5 Secret of Mana vs 12 Tekken A series that dont get the love and respect it deserves here, Mana, would prove a lot of peeps wrong who smelled upset as Tekken would be dispatched with ease.

6 Donkey Kong vs 11 Tomb Raider Two series everyone laughs at would go head to head. The Nintendites would carry the monkey to the next banana plantation...

3 Mortal Kombat vs 14 Tales Series (Namco) 2nd tier series #1921-0, Tales of Symphonia, Destiny etc, would lose to MK, making me and lots of casuals happy.

7 Command & Conquer vs 10 Quake This one would be too close to call going into it, but in the end, Quake would pull it out by a narrow margin.

2 Contra vs 15 Need for Speed The old schoolers and Nintendites, among others, would carry Contra over the longest running driving series of all time, the Need for Speed series.

And there ya have it folks, the Round 1 results of this lil bracket that could have been but never was! Stay tuned for the later round results in future episodes of Steve Illumina Speaks!

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Read_Only_Thx | Posted 7/19/2006 3:19:13 PM | message detail
I totally expected MG to have an ugly sprite, which is why I expected FE to do well.

I underestimated FE also getting a crappy pic, which is amazing considering it has decent sprites.

I still think FE will outperform SH, though.
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Read_Only_Thx | Posted 7/19/2006 3:20:21 PM | message detail
SC, I mean. But then all fodder's the same to me.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/19/2006 3:41:54 PM | message detail
I'm convinced that CJayC uses Solid **** just to spite us.

To be fair, I've yet to see a solid snake sprite that didn't suck. Then again, when I said this last year I was treated to a snake picture from some gameboy mg game where he looks even worse, and was told that the sprite I was shown is awesome...
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/19/2006 3:43:13 PM | message detail
Well, at least MG is getting Solid **** now instead of next round.
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Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/19/2006 4:09:30 PM | message detail
Ghost Babel sprites rock all other Metal Gear sprites!!

http://www.retrogamezone.co.uk/Sprites/GBC/metalgearsolid.gif


And yeah, that picture is horrendous on both sides, but probably moreso for Fire Emblem. At least voters have gotten used to seeing Snake look all craptacular for many years now!!

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Phediuk | Posted 7/19/2006 4:09:41 PM | message detail
Holy crap. Most unrecognizable pic ever. o_O

And I thought it couldn't get any worse than Metal Gear 2 sprites.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 4:12:19 PM | message detail
Ceej prides himself on using progressively worse and worse sprites in MG pictures as the contests go on...though he slipped up a bit in 2k5 by making it marginally better than 2k4. This makes up for it though.

...I think that's the sprite from Snake's Revenge. o.O
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 4:15:02 PM | message detail
No, a second look confirms it being an original MG sprite. Still...wow.
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SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 4:16:50 PM | message detail
"I dunno... That pixelated chick is pretty hot."


Oh yes.

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Phediuk | Posted 7/19/2006 4:28:58 PM | message detail
*COMPARISONS GAME- (1) Metal Gear vs. (4) Fire Emblem*

Sales

If we're talking Japanese sales, then this is actually a tough call. But we're not, so...

Advantage: Metal Gear

Hype

Metal Gear:

Did you see that MGS4 trailer? Holy crap.

Fire Emblem:

...Yeah. The series has a loyal fanbase (I'm pretty much the biggest FE fanboy you'll ever meet), but the general public really doesn't give a **** about it. Which is the biggest injustice of the new milennium.

Advantage: Metal Gear

Number of Games

Metal Gear:

Metal Gear (NES, 1988)
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake (MSX, 1990)
Metal Gear Solid (PSX, 1998)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (PS2, 2001)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (PS2, 2004)

Spinoffs/ports-

Metal Gear (MSX, 1987)
Metal Gear (PC, 1988)
Metal Gear (C64, 1988)
Snake's Revenge (NES, 1990)
Metal Gear Solid: Integral (PSX, 1999)
Metal Gear Solid: VR Missions (PSX, 1999)
Metal Gear Solid (PC, 2000)
Metal Gear Solid (GBC, 2000)
The Document of Metal Gear Solid 2 (PS2, 2002)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance (Xbox, 2002)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance (PS2, 2003)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance (PC, 2003)
Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes (GC, 2004)
Metal Gear (Mobile, 2004)
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake (Mobile, 2004)
Metal Gear Acid (PSP, 2005)
Metal Gear Acid 2 (PSP, 2006)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Subsistence (PS2, 2006)

Total- 23
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Fire Emblem:

Main series-

Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi (NES, 1990)
Fire Emblem Gaiden (NES, 1992)
Fire Emblem: Monshou no Nazo (SNES, 1994)
Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu (SNES, 1996)
Fire Emblem: Thracia 776 (SNES, 1999)
Fire Emblem: Fuuin no Tsurugi (GBA, 2002)
Fire Emblem (GBA, 2003)
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones (GBA, 2005)
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance (GC, 2005)

Spinoffs/ports-

None

Total- 9

Advantage: Metal Gear

GameFAQs Status

Number of FAQs:

Metal Gear:

Metal Gear- 11
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake- 7
Metal Gear Solid- 39
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty- 50
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater- 41
Total- 148

Fire Emblem:

Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi- 13
Fire Emblem Gaiden- 4
Fire Emblem: Monshou no Nazo- 5
Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu- 9
Fire Emblem: Thracia 776- 4
Fire Emblem: Fuuin no Tsurugi- 14
Fire Emblem- 30
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones- 21
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance- 15
Total- 115

Advantage: Metal Gear
Phediuk | Posted 7/19/2006 4:29:16 PM | message detail
Average review score/Number of reviews:

Metal Gear:

Metal Gear- 8.14 (28)
Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake- 9.65 (17)
Metal Gear Solid- 8.98 (64)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty- 8.79 (62)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater- 9.48 (77)
Series average- 9.01 (248)

Fire Emblem:

Fire Emblem: Ankoku Ryuu to Hikari no Tsurugi- 9.50 (2)
Fire Emblem Gaiden- 7.00 (2)
Fire Emblem: Monshou no Nazo- 8.67 (3)
Fire Emblem: Seisen no Keifu- 9.53 (17)
Fire Emblem: Thracia 776- 9.00 (2)
Fire Emblem: Fuuin no Tsurugi- 9.45 (11)
Fire Emblem- 9.11 (57)
Fire Emblem: The Sacred Stones- 8.22 (37)
Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance- 8.86 (43)
Series average- 8.82 (174)

Advantage: Metal Gear/Metal Gear

Board activity:

FE's activity isn't too shabby, with all three US-released games on the Top 10s of their respective systems. But MGS3: Subsistence alone is as big as all three of those boards combined. Pity.

Advantage: Metal Gear

Board Odds Project

Match prediction:

Metal Gear- 130
Soul Calibur- 2
Fire Emblem- 1

Hey there, zero brackets.

Advantage: Metal Gear

Point value:

Metal Gear- 795
Fire Emblem- 110

You get the idea.

Advantage: Metal Gear

Previous contest representation

Metal Gear:

SC2002-

Solid Snake (9th)

SC2003-

Solid Snake (8th)
Raiden (59th)

Sp2004-

Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (18th)
Metal Gear Solid (21st)
Metal Gear (48th)

SC2004-

Solid Snake (11th)
Liquid Snake (16th)

Sp2005-

Revolver Ocelot (5th)
Liquid Snake (11th)

SC2005-

Solid Snake (8th)
Revolver Ocelot (64th)

Top 100-

Metal Gear Solid (#8)
Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater (#21)
Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (#41)

Fire Emblem:

Sp2004-

Fire Emblem (46th)

Top 100-

Fire Emblem (#54)

Advantage: Metal Gear

Intangibles

Fire Emblem is not only Nintendo, but it's an RPG too. Easy choice.

LOL

Advantage: Metal Gear

Conclusion

Just another boring blowout match. MG with 76%.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/19/2006 4:33:05 PM | message detail
That pic makes me want to vomit. It's hilariously bad, but oh well, as least we get Snake's bad picture out of the way early.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 4:36:35 PM | message detail
You know, technically Raiden has a sprite now from Metal Gear Raiden: Snake Eraser. And it's not half shabby.
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SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 4:38:33 PM | message detail
That Raiden sprite wasn't too bad, yeah.

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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/19/2006 4:47:28 PM | message detail
*glances at latest picture*

The dark side of sprite rounds, no doubt.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 5:02:22 PM | message detail
This match is so weird. I mean, based on this, how many series would you take Pokemon over?

Pokemon > MMX?
Pokemon > Halo?
Pokemon > DMC? (man, that would've been a bracket buster)
Pokemon > Mario Kart?

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longbladeofhiko | Posted 7/19/2006 5:04:15 PM | message detail
That pic confuses the bloody hell outta me
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trannyscience | Posted 7/19/2006 5:10:14 PM | message detail
I'd have taken Pokemon over DMC.. the rest, no way. I still wouldn't... I don't think. I'm still mad that we have no idea how strong this fourpack is.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 5:11:21 PM | message detail
Well, judging by this, you don't have that much room before you take them all over Metroid as well. Which leaves Metroid in lower midcarder territory at best.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/19/2006 5:11:49 PM | message detail
Well, I always figured that Metroid had to be pretty strong... It had decent top 100 representation, and while I'm a big advocate of SSB and SSBM helping character strength a lot, it's not enough to shoot Samus into the Noble Nine alone.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 5:12:40 PM | message detail
Well, Kirby's series is apparently weak as hell, and look how high he is.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 5:13:59 PM | message detail
And if SSB/SSBM is really that big of a difference maker when it comes to character strength...then I shudder to think what Snake will do.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/19/2006 5:14:27 PM | message detail
yeah, this is confusing the hell out of me, and I think the Pokemon series is stronger than everyone else. it just doesn't make sense to be a top five character here and be, at best, a midcarder as far as games go.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/19/2006 5:15:02 PM | message detail
Well, Kirby's series is apparently weak as hell, and look how high he is.

Kirby is a shining example of a series with one popular game. And then there is the fact that the character is largely liked solely for the character design.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/19/2006 5:15:22 PM | message detail
the best part about this is that, theoretically, Xenogears could be a game with significant strength here. and that makes no sense.
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Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/19/2006 5:16:48 PM | message detail
the best part about this is that, theoretically, Xenogears could be a game with significant strength here. and that makes no sense.

It doesn't really make no sense. I could see it being significantly popular, but I wouldn't actually expect it to be. Still, I wouldn't be shocked if it was.

Also, I would take Pokemon G/S/C in a rematch.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 5:18:42 PM | message detail
More theoreticals:

Pokemon > Street Fighter
Pokemon > Soul Calibur
Pokemon > Diablo

How badly would people have been burned there, especially on the last two?
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trannyscience | Posted 7/19/2006 5:18:42 PM | message detail
Xenogears is a niche RPG with average sales numbers. it's not exactly going to be a beast in a contest setting.

it makes me think that I'd love to see Chrono Cross, though. it sold twice as many copies and isn't nearly as hated as board 8 thinks.
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NewLib | Posted 7/19/2006 5:19:59 PM | message detail
Yes it is. Chrono Cross is easily the most hated RPG that Squaresoft has ever had the courtesy of making.

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trannyscience | Posted 7/19/2006 5:20:40 PM | message detail
you haven't played Unlimited Saga then.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 5:20:55 PM | message detail
I don't buy CC having as much hate as B8 thinks, but it doesn't seem to get inordinate amounts of love, either. It's a game that inspires apathy, really.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/19/2006 5:21:55 PM | message detail
eh, I like it. I also know two or three people who have it as their favourite game. I'd say that it'd do pretty decent, at least as well as Xenogears would.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/19/2006 5:22:51 PM | message detail
Maybe. 'gears' Fanbase is rabid, though. I can't believe people love that game *that* much.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/19/2006 5:24:33 PM | message detail
oh, Xenogears is a top 5 game to me. Chrono Cross's fanbase, isn't as crazy as Xenogears's, but I'd say that more people have played it. plus it's related to the third strongest game on this site, and that has to count for something.
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NewLib | Posted 7/19/2006 5:28:39 PM | message detail
To be quite honest Cross was the reason I didnt nominate the Chrono series.

I know the spelling errors were a big reason it didnt get in, but Cjay said even without those it would have only been a 7 seed.

More people were nominating games such as Star Ocean and Silent Hill than Chrono.
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trannyscience | Posted 7/19/2006 5:29:49 PM | message detail
people didn't nominate the Chrono series cause it was board 8 only. if you put that to the public, it gets a lot more nominations. Star Ocean and Silent Hill both had significant rallying efforts. Chrono was kind of expected to get in, so not as many people nominated it.
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