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Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 318

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jonthomson | Posted 7/19/2006 7:14:48 AM | message detail
FACT or FICTION: Zelda does better on Metroid than it did on MMX
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/19/2006 7:16:31 AM | message detail
Fact, simply because Metroid is Nintendo.
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/19/2006 7:21:05 AM | message detail
During RE/SH I made a bracket based on how strong I think the series would be.

1. The Legend of Zelda
8. Civilization

4. Pokemon
5. Kirby

3. Mega Man X
6. Star Ocean

2. Metroid
7. Suikoden

I think most people would've agreed with me at the end of round 1.

1. Metal Gear
8. Harvest Moon

4. Kingdom Hearts
5. Soul Calibur

3. Halo
6. Fire Emblem

2. Castlevania
7. Silent Hill

This division is really debateable

1. Super Mario Bros.
8. Madden NFL

4. Warcraft
5. Grand Theft Auto

3. Sonic
6. Devil May Cry

2. Super Smash Bros.
7. Dragon Quest

I think SSB can squeeze out the win and funny enough the only change is WC/GTA flipping.

1. Final Fantasy
8. Shadow Hearts

4. Mario Kart
5. Street Fighter

3. Resident Evil
6. The Elder Scrolls

2. Mega Man
7. Diablo

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Tediz247 | Posted 7/19/2006 7:28:57 AM | message detail
*wakes up*

Brilliant match pic, first of all. Samus killing Pikachu is great, and the background has incredible detail. Possibly my favorite CJayC pic.

WHA?! So Metroid can SFF Kirby, but not Pokemon? Is it Bill Cosby, or something else? This is the biggest contest surprise I've had since seeing Knuckles ahead of Magus.
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TheFreeshooter | Posted 7/19/2006 7:29:16 AM | message detail
Wow... I've been horribly off this contest. Pokemon... keeping up with freakin' Metroid? So is this Pokemon's strength or Metroid's weakness? If it's Pokemon's strength.... that means Xenogears looks even stronger!!!!!
Phediuk | Posted 7/19/2006 7:29:44 AM | message detail
The SFF that Zelda will have against Metroid is ridiculous.

Okay, now here's a little activity for you guys...rank the Zelda and Metroid games in order of contest strength.

The Legend of Zelda
Metroid
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
Metroid II: Return of Samus
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
Super Metroid
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages
Metroid Fusion
Metroid Prime
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Metroid Zero Mission
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess

(Yes, I know TP isn't out yet, but we all know it's going to be a ****ing beast.)

Gogogo!

My personal opinion:

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Super Metroid
Metroid Prime
The Legend of Zelda
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
Metroid Zero Mission
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
Metroid
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons
Metroid Fusion
Metroid II: Return of Samus
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/19/2006 7:30:00 AM | message detail
Pokemon series > Xenogears > Pokemon G/S/C
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greatone10 | Posted 7/19/2006 7:30:43 AM | message detail
It also makes us SO upset people look a little less stupid.
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TheFreeshooter | Posted 7/19/2006 7:32:35 AM | message detail
If anything, this probably is an indication of what I was saying about R/B/Y being much more popular than G/S/C.
Crimson Dragoon | Posted 7/19/2006 8:04:30 AM | message detail
This is insane. I never would have though Pokemon would be keeping up with Metroid. Wooooooooooow...
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Slowflake | Posted 7/19/2006 8:08:42 AM | message detail
That's one of two things. Either Metroid SFFed Kirby straight to hell (and it wouldn't be shocking, considering while Kirby is strong as a character its games aren't nearly as strong) and is failing to do the same to Pokémon (which holds up much better as a series than Kirby), or Pokémon is somehow rSFFing Metroid (which would be a big WTF).

But seriously, no way Star Ocean beats Kirby. No. ****ing. Way.
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Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego
Draco1214 | Posted 7/19/2006 8:20:11 AM | message detail
Since Leonhart isn't here now, I guess I'll do this:

Pokemon/Metroid has 59896 at 11:15. To compare with other matches at this time:

Legend of Zelda/Mega Man X - 61716
Grand Theft Auto/Warcraft - 60505
Pokemon/Metroid - 59896
Final Fantasy/Diablo - 59416

This one looks like it'll break 120k.
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/19/2006 8:21:51 AM | message detail
Maybe there was some, like a couple percent, but nothing too bad. Kirby series is just that weak.

I also doubt there's too much SFF here. Metroid is failing to do it to Pokemon.

So Metroid isn't as strong as we thought AND its going to get SFFed bad next round. Ouch, tough.
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Pokemon vs. Metroid - Bracket: Metroid - Vote: Metroid (16/18)
transience | Posted 7/19/2006 8:22:24 AM | message detail
*does x-stats real quick*

Metroid: 50.00
Pokemon: 47.49
Star Ocean: 32.54
Kirby: 29.43

Star Ocean beats Kirby with about 55%

hahahaha awesome

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TheFreeshooter | Posted 7/19/2006 8:23:25 AM | message detail
If people are really voting based on games and series, I could see Star Ocean keeping up with Kirby. The only reason Kirby seems like a lock is because of his Nintendo affiliation and because his relative popularity as a character. Kirby would still probably be the overwhelming favorite, but his games really aren't popular at all.
BlAcK TuRtLe | Posted 7/19/2006 8:29:26 AM | message detail
Correction: Kirby is only popular because of his SSB/SSB:M appearances


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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/19/2006 8:31:11 AM | message detail
There has to be more to it than that, or else Kirby wouldn't be leagues and leagues ahead of Ness and C. Falcon.
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/19/2006 8:33:35 AM | message detail
I think the ssb thing is being tossed around too much, though. It's just about the equivalent of saying Squall or Aeris is popular because of Kingdom Hearts. Samus and Kirby both had well established franchises before melee, and it isn't likely that a simple fighting game caused them to have new legions of fans.
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Zombies Yay | Posted 7/19/2006 9:01:54 AM | message detail
Nice update thar.
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Slowflake | Posted 7/19/2006 9:13:01 AM | message detail
I can't wait to see tomorrow's picture. Should be comic gold.

*gives you all coffee to watch you do spit takes*
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Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego
Ayvuir | Posted 7/19/2006 9:14:54 AM | message detail
I remain adament on my comment at the start of the contest that Pokemon will beat Metroid.

Its going to come back, and take it.
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gtonizuka49 | Posted 7/19/2006 9:16:57 AM | message detail
I can't wait to see tomorrow's picture. Should be comic gold.

*gives you all coffee to watch you do spit takes*


Heh, I just realized it. Nothing better than the annual ***** ABOUT SNAKE'S PICTURE DAY/WEEK/MONTH/YEAR/CENTURY.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/19/2006 9:17:38 AM | message detail
It's a 3300+ vote lead, with Metroid showing no signs of stopping its albeit slow lead building. Pokemon is done.
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SuperiorSnake | Posted 7/19/2006 9:20:00 AM | message detail
1) Fire Emblem outperforms Soul Calibur on Metal Gear.

Fiction. I cannot imagine Fire Emblem out doing Soul Calibur.

2) Kingdom Hearts beats Castlevania...and it isn't close (we're talking 55%+ here).

Fiction. I would sooner imagine Castlevania winning with that type of percentage over Kingdom Hearts.

3) Warcraft manages to escape the doubling from Mario.

Fiction.

4) Sonic upsets SSB...and it isn't close.

Fiction.

5) Final Fantasy fails to triple Mega Man. Zelda > FF bandwagon ensues.

Fiction. But if it does, you undoubtedly have the bandwagon picking up steam.

6) Street Fighter upsets Resident Evil.

Fiction.

7) There will be Capcom SFF in SF/RE, meaning the winner will get at least 55% of the vote.

Fiction.

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Tarrot | Posted 7/19/2006 9:20:30 AM | message detail
Could this be another Gordon Freeman Always Gets Forty Factor?

As in: there is a significant fanbase which would vote Pokemon over anything else. Outside of that fanbase, the vote is split heavily against it. Or perhaps a RSFF going on?
shadow8021 | Posted 7/19/2006 9:24:53 AM | message detail
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past
The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess
Super Metroid
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Metroid Prime
Metroid Prime 2: Echoes
The Legend of Zelda
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask
Metroid
Metroid Fusion
Metroid Zero Mission
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link
Metroid II: Return of Samus
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Today's Pick: Metroid
voltch | Posted 7/19/2006 9:29:01 AM | message detail
if Twilight Princess is an absolute disaster and a total flop would it bring down link assuming it is something really bad?
of course that could never happen but still if it flopped what would be he consequences?
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H__RR____H | Posted 7/19/2006 9:42:47 AM | message detail
Holy crap, it's closer than it ever should have been. That said, have I missed anything important from the last night? Also, could somebody find TRE's nightly update on those who get the matches right for me? Im not used to this computer, and a night of Hypnotiq and Hennessy does no favors to the head.....
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H__RR____H | Posted 7/19/2006 9:45:09 AM | message detail
I've also decided this very well could be my favorite round ever pic-wise if the rest of the round sticks like this.
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Tai | Posted 7/19/2006 9:58:54 AM | message detail
1) Fire Emblem outperforms Soul Calibur on Metal Gear.

So FE > SC? Fact.

2) Kingdom Hearts beats Castlevania...and it isn't close (we're talking 55%+ here).

...Fact...
3) Warcraft manages to escape the doubling from Mario.
Fiction.
4) Sonic upsets SSB...and it isn't close.
LOLZ! Fiction! Sonic hypemen going downnnnnnnnnn!
5) Final Fantasy fails to triple Mega Man. Zelda > FF bandwagon ensues.
W...wait...a bandwagon for Zelda > FF too? XD
Hilarious. Fiction.

6) Street Fighter upsets Resident Evil.
Fiction.

7) There will be Capcom SFF in SF/RE, meaning the winner will get at least 55% of the vote.

Fiction.
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Tai | Posted 7/19/2006 10:12:30 AM | message detail
Who IS voting for Pokemon? It's gaining percentage every second! O_O' Even taking one update once in a while...
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/19/2006 10:13:08 AM | message detail
Pokemon is actually winning about every fourth update now. And here I was thinking the day vote would kill it.

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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/19/2006 10:14:08 AM | message detail
if Twilight Princess is an absolute disaster and a total flop would it bring down link assuming it is something really bad?
of course that could never happen but still if it flopped what would be he consequences?


FFX-2 gave Yuna and Rikku boosts...so no.

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Draco1214 | Posted 7/19/2006 10:15:52 AM | message detail
So how low will Metroid's percentage go?
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TRE Public Account | Posted 7/19/2006 10:20:06 AM | message detail
Also, could somebody find TRE's nightly update on those who get the matches right for me?

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/detail.php?board=8&topic=29329065&message=320806392

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TRE Public Account | Posted 7/19/2006 10:34:57 AM | message detail
If people are really voting based on games and series, I could see Star Ocean keeping up with Kirby.

I disagree with that. The fact that this is a series contest is a hugh advantage for Kirby. Star Ocean pretty much counts as a two games series and the other two games series in this contest haven't done so well. Sonic and Mega Man have shown that despite the fact that their games probably aren't that strong individually, as a series they have a lot of strength. You can't judge an entries' strength off an SFF match. SFF only matters in a SFF match.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/19/2006 10:36:42 AM | message detail
I think what confuses me the most in this match is why Metroid was seemingly able to SFF Kirby but isn't able to do it to Pokemon. Is this because Pokemon has more innate strength than Kirby, or is there just some weird intangible thing nobody has figured out yet?
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LegendarySnake | Posted 7/19/2006 10:37:49 AM | message detail
FFX-2 gave Yuna and Rikku boosts...so no.

Except FFX-2 isn't as hated as this board makes it out to be.

BEST OF 2003: Game of the Year (Final Vote)

22171 31.18% Final Fantasy X-2
31189 43.87% The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
17738 24.95% Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

Now if you had used "DMC2 gave Dante a boost," you'd have a better point.
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LegendarySnake | Posted 7/19/2006 10:38:53 AM | message detail
The fact that this is a series contest is a hugh advantage for Kirby

Huge? Kirby has maybe ONE game with any strength. He doesn't have much of an advantage at all. I'm doubting whether Metroid SFF'd it at all at this point.
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transience | Posted 7/19/2006 10:38:55 AM | message detail
exactly. there isn't a real "Nintendo hierarchy" after Mario, no real "third place". plus, there isn't really a console that Metroid and Pokemon share, except maybe the GBA. this is all Pokemon.

Kirby and Metroid are both platformer-type games, on the other hand. plus Kirby just isn't strong. at all.
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makiotwist | Posted 7/19/2006 10:40:27 AM | message detail
no

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The Real Truth | Posted 7/19/2006 10:41:06 AM | message detail
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Posted 7/19/2006 10:34:57 AM

Star Ocean pretty much counts as a two games series


Except that there are actually 4 games.
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transience | Posted 7/19/2006 10:43:04 AM | message detail
and two of them don't count.
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The Real Truth | Posted 7/19/2006 10:44:20 AM | message detail
And why is that? Because less people have played them? I could make up random things like that about every series in the contest.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/19/2006 10:45:15 AM | message detail
That's like saying Kingdom Hearts is a three-game series (and Elder Scrolls is four-game, but I think the first two actually have some fans). For all intents and purposes, Star Ocean's strength is presumably drawn from Second Story and Till the End of Time. I would highly doubt Blue Sphere brought new fans to the series - or, rather, enough to make a difference.
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KamikazePotato | Posted 7/19/2006 10:48:23 AM | message detail
Kingdom Hearts kind of is a three-game series. Chain of Memories sold a nice amount of copies, and it ties into the storyline.

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transience | Posted 7/19/2006 10:49:16 AM | message detail
seeing as two of them aren't even out in English.. yeah, they don't count. the only people who are playing those are people that are already fans of the previous games.
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Ed Bellis | Posted 7/19/2006 10:50:59 AM | message detail
...well, what I mean is that I'm not sure if Chain of Memories really adds to Kingdom Hearts's strength. Actually, it probably does, because of it being on a Nintendo console and presumably exposing more people to the series and all.

Uhhh, let me try another example. The Star Ocean example works well, since, as tranny is saying, the two games are not even readily available this side of the globe and are thus not contributing in any way to the series's strength.
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DeepHyren12 | Posted 7/19/2006 10:51:21 AM | message detail
FFX-2 gave Yuna and Rikku boosts...so no.

FFX-2 wasn't a flop, though. B8's hate of it, much like its hate of FFTA, is not shared by the general gaming population. It had good sales (coming in front of all the pre-PS FFs and falling .3 mil short of matching FFIX IIRC) and I've heard people say that its battle system is the best ever in an FF.
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The Real Truth | Posted 7/19/2006 10:54:02 AM | message detail
transience
Posted 7/19/2006 10:49:16 AM
message detail seeing as two of them aren't even out in English.. yeah, they don't count. the only people who are playing those are people that are already fans of the previous games.


Yeah because people would never just randomly download roms for a certain system, or download games that people have said they like.
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