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Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/17/2006 3:06:49 PM | message detail
Fire Emblem truly has no business being in Round 2 with the other 15 series that are there...all of them true series who have done something for gaming, have had million sellers and/or collections released, have had toys made of them, or cereals, or underwear, or what have you. As far as I know, Fire Emblem has not even had a promotional mouse pad made for it to be given to peeps who reserve copies at GameStop! Ceej should have put FE against Mario Kart in Round 1, this way, there really would be 16 worthy series in the 2nd round...oh well...deep down I know most peeps agree with me on this issue...

It would be worth having Fire Emblem in the finals to have lots of good matches come of it. If it'll make the contest better, it doesn't really matter if a great series like LoZ goes out in round 1.
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steve illumina | Posted 7/17/2006 3:34:57 PM | message detail
Revered on 7 continents...admired from Board 8 to LUE and back again...he is...

Steve Illumina

Making my way out from the curtains, holding a lil mic..."Greetings to all my fans and fanbabies, to the noobs and elites alike! I am of course, Steve Illumina, your resident satirical analyst..."

"As is traditional here on Steve Illumina Speaks, we begin with the Tale of the Tape, or shall I say, the Disc"

'Master using it and you can have this.'
VS
'Long live the Repliforce!'

Sage's Pick: The Hero of Hyrule
Fanbabies' Pick: Link
Blast from the Past: Solarshadow's Pick: Zelda

Ok peeps, today my guest is longtime fan favorite, the esteemed Dr. Quack! Loyal longtime fans will remember Dr.Quack as the therapist who treated and diagnosed Duke Nukem with dysfunction because it took him forever to...*loud applause*

SO lets bring out Dr. Quack! *cheers*

Sage: Dr Quack, today I brought you here to talk about Nintenditis. Can you tell us all what this affliction is?

Quack: Sure Steve, I will be so glad to do so! Nintenditis is a condition which afflicts thousands of fanbabies worldwide. Basically it means that they only see Nintendo when it comes to video games, and that any and all other manufacturers and game designers are mere nothings in comparison, and they will defend this position blindly and foolishly to the world.

Sage: So then you are saying these kiddies, these Nintendites, will be the difference in tomorrow's match?

Quack: No question about it. Look at it, we got Zelda, which hasn't had a hit since Minish Cap, and then we got Mega Man X. How could you not vote for MMX? I mean any series that gives you Overdrive Ostrich and Duff McWhalen is infinitely better than any bug catching net will ever be! *booooo!*

Sage: Hmmm, Dr Quack, the audience is booing you here...you seem to be bashing the Hero of Hyrule...

Quack: Yes I am bashing him...he cost me $50000 in a bet when that elf beat my hero Cloud...all that money I won playing the nickel slots in Atlantic City gone...he has to pay and MMX would be makin it happen if it weren't for all these Nintendites!

*Crowd begins throwing stuffed Link dolls and tomatoes at Quack and he runs off the stage in tears*

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Steve Illumina: Sage of Board 8, Hated by Fanbabies, Loved by the Masses.
Score: 16-0. Next Win: ZELDA!
Gooper Blooper | Posted 7/17/2006 3:36:41 PM | message detail
HOORAY
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Phediuk | Posted 7/17/2006 4:09:22 PM | message detail
*COMPARISONS GAME- (1) The Legend of Zelda vs. (5) Mega Man X*

Sales

To my knowledge, no MMX game has broken 1 million in sales in the US. Hell, I don't think any have even come close.

Advantage: The Legend of Zelda

Hype

The Legend of Zelda:

Twilight Princess, aka Excellent Contender for the Final Four of Best. Game. Ever. 2007.

Mega Man X:

LOL at people who still care about Mega Man games.

Advantage: The Legend of Zelda

Number of Games

The Legend of Zelda:

Main series-

The Legend of Zelda (NES, 1987)
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (NES, 1988)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (SNES, 1992)
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (GB, 1993)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (N64, 1998)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (N64, 2000)
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons (GBC, 2001)
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages (GBC, 2001)
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (GC, 2003)
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap (GBA, 2005)

Spinoffs/ports-

The Legend of Zelda (FDS, 1986)
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (FDS, 1987)
Link: The Faces of Evil (CDi, 1992)
Zelda: The Wand of Gamelon (CDi, 1993)
Zelda's Adventure (CDi, 1995)
BS Zelda (SNES, 1994)
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening DX (GBC, 1998)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past/The Four Swords (GBA, 2002)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time/Master Quest (GC, 2003)
The Legend of Zelda: Collectors' Edition (GC, 2003)
The Legend of Zelda: Four Swords Adventures (GC, 2004)
Classic NES Series: The Legend of Zelda (GBA, 2004)
Classic NES Series: Zelda II: The Adventure of Link (GBA, 2005)

Total- 23
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Mega Man X:

Main series-


Mega Man X (SNES, 1993)
Mega Man X2 (SNES, 1994)
Mega Man X3 (SNES, 1995)
Mega Man X4 (PSX, 1997)
Mega Man X5 (PSX, 2001)
Mega Man X6 (PSX, 2001)
Mega Man X7 (PS2, 2003)
Mega Man X8 (PS2, 2004)

Spinoffs/ports-

(I feel silly doing this. The whole goddamn series is a spinoff already.)


Mega Man X (PC, 1995)
Mega Man X3 (PSX, 1996)
Mega Man X3 (Saturn, 1996)
Mega Man X4 (Saturn, 1997)
Mega Man X3 (PC, 1998)
Mega Man X4 (PC, 1998)
Mega Man X5 (PC, 2001)
Mega Man X6 (PC, 2001)
Mega Man Xtreme (GBC, 2001)
Mega Man Xtreme 2 (GBC, 2001)
Mega Man X7 (PC, 2003)
Mega Man X8 (PC, 2006)
Mega Man X: Command Mission (PS2, 2004)
Mega Man X: Command Mission (GC, 2004)
Mega Man X: Maverick Hunter (PSP, 2006)
Mega Man X Collection (GC, 2006)
Mega Man X Collection (PS2, 2006)

Total- 25

Advantage: Mega Man X

GameFAQs Status

Number of FAQs:

The Legend of Zelda:

The Legend of Zelda- 21
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link- 23
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past- 23
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening- 16
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time- 70
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask- 36
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons- 20
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages- 25
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker- 42
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap- 19
Total- 295

Mega Man X:

Mega Man X- 18
Mega Man X2- 12
Mega Man X3- 12
Mega Man X4- 17
Mega Man X5- 10
Mega Man X6- 10
Mega Man X7- 10
Mega Man X8- 6

Total- 95

Advantage: The Legend of Zelda
Phediuk | Posted 7/17/2006 4:10:01 PM | message detail
Average review score/Number of reviews:

The Legend of Zelda:

The Legend of Zelda- 9.49 (35)
Zelda II: The Adventure of Link- 8.23 (48)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past- 9.41 (51)
The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening- 8.97 (38)
The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time- 9.03 (75)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask- 8.38 (60)
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons- 9.16 (32)
The Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Ages- 9.44 (32)
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker- 8.67 (96)
The Legend of Zelda: The Minish Cap- 8.65 (52)

Series average- 8.95 (519)

Mega Man X:

Mega Man X- 9.19 (47)
Mega Man X2- 8.55 (31)
Mega Man X3- 8.46 (28)
Mega Man X4- 8.49 (35)
Mega Man X5- 7.00 (32)
Mega Man X6- 6.62 (42)
Mega Man X7- 7.34 (38)
Mega Man X8- 8.50 (22)
Series average- 8.02 (275)

Advantage: The Legend of Zelda/The Legend of Zelda

Board activity:

*snort*

Advantage: The Legend of Zelda

Board Odds Project

Match prediction:

The Legend of Zelda- 133
Mega Man X- 0

A shutout in the second round. That always hurts.

Advantage: The Legend of Zelda

Point value:

The Legend of Zelda- 2435
Mega Man X- 131

Mega Man X is just below Pokemon in point value. POKEMON.

Advantage: The Legend of Zelda

Previous contest representation

The Legend of Zelda:

SC2002-

Link (1st)

SC2003-

Link (2nd)
Ganondorf (11th)
Zelda (19th)

Sp2004-

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (2nd)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (4th)
The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (9th)
The Legend of Zelda (14th)

SC2004-

Link (1st)
Ganondorf (54th)

Sp2005-

Ganondorf (2nd)

SC2005-

Link (1st)
Zelda (14th)
Ganondorf (25th)

Top 100-

The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time (#2)
The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past (#4)
The Legend of Zelda (#30)

The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker (#45)
The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask (#46)

Mega Man X:

SC2003:

Zero (14th)

SC2004:

Zero (10th)

Sp2005:

Sigma (21st)

SC2005:

Zero (18th)

Advantage: The Legend of Zelda

Intangibles

Nintendo, Twilight Princess, Link won the contest three times, yadda yadda.

Advantage: The Legend of Zelda

Conclusion

Zelda is going to beat the crap out of MMX. 78% for Link and crew. And that prediction is lowered from my original, following extensive insistence from the board that MMX is some sort of powerhouse.
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rpgapzx | Posted 7/17/2006 4:14:05 PM | message detail
Ceej should have put FE against Mario Kart in Round 1, this way, there really would be 16 worthy series in the 2nd round...oh well...deep down I know most peeps agree with me on this issue...

Done. In Upset Town.

3 FE
6 Mario Kart

2 Megaman
7 Chrono


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SC2k6: 14/15
Today: Bracket: RE Vote: RE
Big Bob | Posted 7/17/2006 4:42:10 PM | message detail
Hypothetical Event: Resident Evil breaks 100,000 votes before midnight.

Board's reaction?
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cyko | Posted 7/17/2006 4:45:44 PM | message detail

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it's not quite as good as the boneless buffalo wing inventor guy, but i still laughed.

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THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/17/2006 5:11:28 PM | message detail
Resident Evil has fallen about 800 behind the Legend of Zelda's pace. It might not break 100,000 votes, after all.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
transience | Posted 7/17/2006 5:24:38 PM | message detail
Shadow Hearts is just a monster with the day vote. you can't hope to stop it.
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xyzzy
I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE!
jonthomson | Posted 7/17/2006 5:24:46 PM | message detail
*alabama slams topic*
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charmander6000 | Posted 7/17/2006 5:35:56 PM | message detail
Match XVII: (1) The Legend of Zelda vs. (5) Mega Man X

Past Matches

The Legend of Zelda
Defeated Civilization, 89.97% - 10.03%

Mega Man X
Defeated Suikoden, 72.61% - 27.39%

Analysis:

The Legend of Zelda started off with an impressive crushing of Civilization, being the first contestant to break 100k votes by themselves. Mega Man X on the other hand did more or less what was expected to do and easily destroyed the cult RPG.

This match has never been in question and all that we are watching for is how much The Legend of Zelda will beat Mega Man X and whether or not LoZ could SFF Mega Man X. I don’t think LoZ will SFF MMX because of the performance of Zero against both Mega Man and Mario. He was more or less able to avoid SFF in both of those matches because a lot of the MMX games were released on PS/PS2 and were able to form a fanbase more away from Nintendo than the original Mega Man series could. Even though MMX will probably avoid SFF I still think LoZ has a great chance at breaking 70%.

charmander6000’s Bracket: The Legend of Zelda over Mega Man X

charmander6000’s Prediction: The Legend of Zelda wins, 71.85% - 28.15%

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steve illumina | Posted 7/17/2006 6:10:10 PM | message detail
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it's not quite as good as the boneless buffalo wing inventor guy, but i still laughed.


I am glad u did, cyko!
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Steve Illumina: Sage of Board 8, Hated by Fanbabies, Loved by the Masses.
Score: 16-0. Next Win: ZELDA!
Tediz247 | Posted 7/17/2006 7:31:32 PM | message detail
I know this is a boring match, but over an hour without a post in contest season is unheard of >_>
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/17/2006 7:33:18 PM | message detail
Well, there's only three interesting matches left. <_<
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Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac
Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2
LeonhartForever | Posted 7/17/2006 7:33:20 PM | message detail
We're waiting for the match picture. Come on, Ceej!
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SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
charmander6000 | Posted 7/17/2006 7:51:37 PM | message detail
Resident Evil > Cloud

By individual votes.
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"I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/17/2006 8:20:17 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/bse/bse17.jpg

That picture is *great*. Oh, and the last desperate hopes of KH, assuming they haven't done so yet, can go rot.
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Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior.
charmander6000 | Posted 7/17/2006 8:20:30 PM | message detail
http://www.gamefaqs.com/shared/bse/bse17.jpg

I like it.
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"I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush
dethfdddddh | Posted 7/17/2006 8:21:47 PM | message detail
Wonder what's gonna happen with the Sonic/SSB pic.
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Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch.
THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/17/2006 8:22:06 PM | message detail
Heh, CJayC devoted a topic to the two zero brackets. That was cool.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
Rodri316 | Posted 7/17/2006 8:22:24 PM | message detail
Lol @ him calling them evil
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Best. Series. Ever. Score: 13/15
Prediction: Resident Evil vs. Shadow Hearts
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/17/2006 8:23:10 PM | message detail
Oh, crap, I just realized about Sonic/SSB. That could be *very* interesting...
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Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior.
Janus5000 | Posted 7/17/2006 8:23:41 PM | message detail
Naturally, all of them are regulars here, though not in this topic - they wouldn't have had Mario Kart advancing if they were !!
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"Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything."
THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/17/2006 8:23:54 PM | message detail
Man, I hope we see Super Sonic owning Master Hand.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
Janus5000 | Posted 7/17/2006 8:24:01 PM | message detail
Super Smash Bros. is so screwed
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"Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything."
Draco1214 | Posted 7/17/2006 8:24:21 PM | message detail
I wonder what RE's pic will be...
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Organization XIII - Number III - Xordac
Currently Playing - Suikoden V, Capcom vs. SNK 2
transients | Posted 7/17/2006 8:25:11 PM | message detail
hmm.. RE with 91.88% of the brackets.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/17/2006 8:25:34 PM | message detail
Hey! Fire Emblem, Castlevania, Sonic, and Street Fighter all have unfair advantages! DAMN DAMN DAMN IF ONLY HE WOULD TELL ME WHEN THE SPRITE ROUND WAS
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Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior.
THEJackSparrow | Posted 7/17/2006 8:26:30 PM | message detail
For what it's worth, Fire Emblem's advantage won't matter. If anything, Metal Gear caught a break by having the sprite round now.
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"...And then they made me their chief." - Captain Jack Sparrow
FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/17/2006 8:27:00 PM | message detail
That picture is *great*. Oh, and the last desperate hopes of KH, assuming they haven't done so yet, can go rot.

No, don't fret, Chain of Memories does fine for Sprite pics.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/17/2006 8:27:34 PM | message detail
Yeah, I know. And even if FE were to magically overperform, it wouldn't stop it from being fodder in the stats.
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Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior.
charmander6000 | Posted 7/17/2006 8:28:22 PM | message detail
I think he was hoping for the sprite round to occur during MG/KH
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/17/2006 8:28:37 PM | message detail
No, don't fret, Chain of Memories does fine for Sprite pics.

I was referring to the Round 3 match against Metal Gear. If it was ever going to get close, it needed an overperformance...and now it simply won't get one.
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Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior.
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/17/2006 8:29:12 PM | message detail
That picture rocks.

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"Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake
Master Moltar | Posted 7/17/2006 8:29:40 PM | message detail
That pic is pretty cool.

Heh, Sonic/SSB
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Moltar Status: Disappointed, I lost my perfect bracket.
Resident Evil vs. Shadow Hearts - Bracket: RE - Vote: RE (13/15)
SonicLink15 | Posted 7/17/2006 8:30:15 PM | message detail
Hey maybe we'll get Alucard vs Sora II!
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12th place in the "Got Villains?" Contest
Janus5000 | Posted 7/17/2006 8:31:03 PM | message detail
Except instead of looking like Michael Jackson, the Planboy will look like a blob.
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"Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything."
dethfdddddh | Posted 7/17/2006 8:31:14 PM | message detail
Simon deserves the spot on the pic more than Alucard.
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Just Got Owned By Guru winner Voltch.
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/17/2006 8:31:35 PM | message detail
Except this time Alucard won't be resigned to a picture that made him look girly even in comparison to Sora.
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Do not kill. Do not rape. Do not steal. These are principles which every man of every faith can embrace. These are codes of behavior.
Who Cares? | Posted 7/17/2006 8:31:55 PM | message detail
Awesome pic!

I wonder what RE's pic will be...
I'm interested as well. Jill & Nemesis have 2D sprites from Marvel vs Capcom 2, so I think that would fit in with the SF crew alright.
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Character Noms: Ken, Chun-Li, Kasumi, Morrigan, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden
Tatsumaki Senpuu | Posted 7/17/2006 8:33:40 PM | message detail
No, don't fret, Chain of Memories does fine for Sprite pics.

Castlevania does better.

But the key here is that Metal Gear is not going to have worry about any sprites plaguing it in the divisional final!

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"Building the future and keeping the past alive are one in the same thing." -- Solid Snake
Master Moltar | Posted 7/17/2006 8:36:50 PM | message detail
Hyrule Division: Round 2 - Match 17 – (1)Legend of Zelda vs. (5)Mega Man X

Moltar’s Analysis

Legend of Zelda
Round 1 – 89.97% vs. Civilization (10.03%)

Legend of Zelda easily makes it past Civilization. I mean…really easily.

Mega Man X
Round 1 – 72.61% vs. Suikoden (27.39%)

In a seeding upset we all saw coming, MMX tops Suikoden

Round 2 is here, and what we start off with is a potential SFF-fest. How fun. Only question here is how much SFF will suffer. We all saw what Link did to Mega Man.

Anyway, let’s lengthen this a little. Last round, Zelda did the impossible and garned 100,000 votes…for itself. That’s incredible. MMX did decently against Suikoden, though we did expect a little bit better. Many of us were interested in how MMX would fare in a Contest setting, since it’s always Mega Man Classic getting the attention. Well, this match probably won’t tell us much. Nintendo sides with Mega Man, but Legend of Zelda is more important to Nintendo fans than MMX, and thus we have SFF.

MMX may get some Sony/Capcom support, but that’s about it.

Moltar’s Bracket Says: Legend of Zelda will win.

Moltar’s Prediction is: LoZ: 77% - MMX: 23%



Ulti’s Analysis

This match is going to be Link/Mega Man version 2.0, only likely worse. The only "drama" we'll see in this match will be whether or not MMX breaks 30%. And yeah, I seriously think Zelda is strong enough to SFF the MMX series that badly.

Prediction: Zelda with 72.13%



Soul’s Analysis

LoZ defeated Civilization with 89.97%
MMX defeated Suikoden with 72.61%


Round 2 begins with a favorite to win the contest, Zelda. Being that it is one of the favorites, this match should be a very easy to predict match, right? Right.

As strong as Mega Man is, it's still considered Nintendo by GameFAQs. Want proof? Just look at Yoshi last summer. Or look at Mega Man himself two years ago. Hell, you can even look at Zero when he faced Mario last year. All those characters underperformed greatly. This is because people think Mega Man is Nintendo. Thus, Mega Man X will get his ass kicked, SFF style in this match. Comprende?

My prediction: LoZ wins with 75.00% of the vote.



HaRRich’s Analysis

Legend of Zelda VERSUS Mega Man X
Predicted winner: Legend of Zelda
Earlier this contest:
---LoZ - 89.97% against Civilization
---MMX - 72.61% against Suikoden
Top 100 List comparison:
---LoZ:OoT - #2, LoZ:LttP - #4, LoZ - #30, LoZ:WW - #45, LoZ:MM - #46
---MMX - N/A (had no games on the drop-down list)
Best Game Ever x-stat comparison:
---LoZ:OoT - 46.18% (32-64 Division runner-up), LoZ:LttP - 41.61% (16 Division runner-up), LoZ:WW - 37.29% (was behind Starcraft), LoZ - 34.49% (8 Divison runner-up)
---MMX - N/A (no rep)

Does anybody remember Link/Mega Man? Expect a lot of the same, but worse; many people consider Link and Mega Man to be the representation of their entire series, and this match will feature only MMX instead of the entire Mega Man series. LoZ already has the old-school vote on lock-down thanks to LoZ:LttP (and the original LoZ, too, but that's beside the point), which is where many of the MMX games reside. It's been said that the MMX games on the Playstation aren't near as good or as popular as the SNES ones, which would get trumped by LoZ:MM or LoZ:WW (maybe even some of the Gameboy games)...oh, and LoZ:OoT too. This match will make Suikoden look horrible, for sure.....

Legend of Zelda wins with 76.12%
Master Moltar | Posted 7/17/2006 8:37:07 PM | message detail
Leon’s Analysis

Ha, I told you that the Legend of Zelda wouldn’t break 90% on Civilization, didn’t I? Man, I love being right. Well, with that little bit of gloating out of the way, let’s move on to analyzing the first match of the second round.

As you would expect from finally seeing the entirety of the second strongest series on this site put together as one entry, the Legend of Zelda put on one of the most dominant performances we’ve ever seen. Even in the very first match of the contest, we saw some record-breaking numbers. It became the first entry ever to break 100,000 votes on its own (heh, and we were doubting that we’d see any match break 100,000 before the Final Four), beating Cloud Strife’s old record by 6000 votes. The Legend of Zelda (the series) beat out the Legend of Zelda (original NES game) for the largest margin of victory by about 800 votes, which is even more impressive when you consider that Civilization managed more than twice as many votes as Adventure. It placed at #7 for highest winning percentage, and it placed at #5 for highest prediction percentage. Overall, this is the sort of thing you would expect from a contender for the championship.

On the other hand, Mega Man X disappointed by the expectations of some (though it did just about as I predicted) against Suikoden by failing to triple it. The match also drew 9000 fewer votes than the Legend of Zelda’s match, and for some reason, 22.16% of the brackets actually thought Suikoden could win this one, making it the biggest “bracket buster” of the Hyrule Division. On the bright side, we finally got to see more than X’s forehead in a match picture!

Of course, we didn’t even have to see the first round matches to know that Zelda is going to win this match, and easily at that. The only question is: By how much? There is also the issue with whether or not Mega Man X will suffer any noticeable amount of SFF in this match. While the majority of the series has been on a Sony console, the first three games were released on the Super Nintendo, thus putting in a measure of fanbase overlap. In my opinion, when you throw an entire series into the mix—especially one with several games—you drastically increase the probability of overlap anyway. Sharing a console is just icing on the cake and likely makes the SFF a little more severe.

I suppose one thing to take into consideration when considering the percentage is the difference in strength between Civilization and Suikoden. We already know that Suikoden is a weak cult series (though I think the series is not a bottom feeder like the characters, but it’s still very weak), but what about Civilization? I mean, it’s a well-received PC series with good sales, and PC games generally aren’t totally weak (even Half-Life did well for itself). Yet, for some reason, I’d feel rather squeamish about taking it to beat Suikoden at the moment (I suppose that’s because it seems weird to pick anything that barely scored 10% to win ANY match). Naturally, SFF will probably throw off any projections I could make, and it seems nearly impossible to gauge it in this situation.

Leonhart’s Prediction: The Legend of Zelda with 80.77%
Master Moltar | Posted 7/17/2006 8:37:53 PM | message detail
HM’s Analysis

The Legend of Zelda
Previous Matches:
The Legend of Zelda – 89.97% -- 100,163
Civilization – 10.03% -- 11,169

Mega Man X
Previous Matches:
Mega Man X – 72.61% -- 74,270
Suikoden – 27.39% -- 28,018

Unfortunately, this is where Mega Man X’s run comes to an end. After a pretty solid beat down of Suikoden (I think Suikoden didn’t do too bad, myself), Mega Man X has to go up and face one of two beasts in this tournament – Zelda. In the last round, LoZ went and set records by being the only competitor to ever hit 100,000 votes on its own and shattering Cloud’s record as the most votes by a single competitor – 96,000 votes. It is pretty clear and present who is going to win this one, and without any trouble at all.

Even with a blowout coming, Mega Man X shouldn’t do too badly, all things considered. I suspect it’ll perform a little worse than Mega Man performed on Link, which was met with some pretty nasty SFF. Some of the crew thinks that LoZ is going to SFF MMX, which never made a lick of sense to me. Merely because MMX started on a Nintendo platform does not mean it is liable to get SFFed by Nintendo series. It really doesn’t matter that much, though, because a blowout is a blowout.

The Legend Zelda will continue the dominance of its division until it meets Metal Gear and ultimately Final Fantasy in the finals. Again, it’s quite a shame that MMX’s run had to come to such an abrupt end when it could have gone places almost anywhere else in the bracket. Hopefully there isn’t much SFF like people are calling for so we don’t get odd extrapolated stats …

Aitch Emm’s Bracket : The Legend of Zelda
Aitch Emm’s Prediction : The Legend of Zelda – 72% ; Mega Man X – 28%
Aitch Emm’s Vote : Mega Man X



Yoblazer’s Analysis

Let's get Round 2 started! With half the contest left to go, everyone knows there are only three more remotely debatable matches left. Everyone also knows this is not one of them. Taking their first round results into consideration, there is absolutely no question that The Legend of Zelda goes into this match as the overwhelming favorite. True, Final Fantasy had the opening round's most jaw-dropping performance, but that doesn't suddenly erase Zelda's juggernaut status on this site, and it will prove that for us today.

Mega Man X, on the other hand, was not particularly impressive against Suikoden, failing to earn the tripling on a very cultish RPG series. Perhaps it is nowhere near as all-encompassing as its older brother. When people see Mega Man, they might think not only about the NES games, but about everything else - everything that makes Mega Man a legend and one of the most established names in our industry (maybe I should have thought of this before picking Mario Kart, LOL). When people see Mega Man X, they see one series. It may carry some pop, but it's still only one series. When you consider the FACT that A Link to the Past would garner over 50% in a poll against every single MMX game, you begin to see how bleak this really is. Now let's add Ocarina of Time, the original Legend of Zelda (which, don't be fooled, is one of the more popular games here), Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, and its host of other games, and we'll get a nice bloodbath.

I undershot both Zelda and Final Fantasy's percentages in the first round. After a nice wake-up call, I'll be sure not to do that again.

The Legend of Zelda
+ Two of the four most popular games on the site
+ Many more popular games
+ The holy grail of Nintendo fans
+ SFF wrecking machine
+ Credibility up the wazoo
- None here

Mega Man X
+ Pretty popular in its own right
+ Good amount of games
- Not as legendary or broad as the original Mega Man
- This will be much more embarrassing than Link/Mega Man 2004

My prediction: The Legend of Zelda def. Mega Man X (80-20)
Heroic Dr Wily | Posted 7/17/2006 8:38:18 PM | message detail
Nemesis isn't in MvC2, although Jill can summon a Tyrant for a super (although it never hits)
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Master Moltar | Posted 7/17/2006 8:38:42 PM | message detail
Mnm’s Analysis

Battle Music: X vs. Zero (MMX5)

Okay, I've been thoroughly owned this past round. This is actually the worst I've done in any contest I've entered in the first round, by both actually matches correct and predicting how strong I think each contestant will be. AM I LOSING MY TOUCH?!?!?!!?! Anyways, this write-up will be rather short, as I have a ton of things to do (find an apartment, find furniture, start my new job… you know, basic real world stuff….).

The Legend of Zelda tore through Civilization with no problem whatsoever, proving that it will most likely be a major force in this contest. However, with Mega Man's performance against Mario Kart, maybe the Mega Man games have more legs in this contest than I thought. Of course seeing how Mega Man himself has both SFF'd and been SFF'd by Nintendo characters; maybe Mega Man/Mario Kart was a result of SFF tiering. I'm not quite ready to say that MMX will be able to stand up to LoZ even if Mega Man easily dispatched Mario Kart. However, I still don't think it will be a total flop. The popularity of Zero shows that the Mega Man X fanbase is pretty solid. It should still get a fair amount of support against LoZ. But it won't come close to making a match of it, unfortunately. Too bad, as MMX is probably my second or third favorite series in this contest.

Bracket: Legend of Zelda

Vote: MMX

Prediction: Legend of Zelda with 69.58%



Lopen’s Analysis

Another speed bump on Zelda's path to the finals. I wish Mega Man X was considered more than a speed bump here, but it isn't. Not to fault Mega Man X, very few series would be considered anything more than a speed bump.

The real questions here are: 1. How much is Zelda going to win by? 2. How much should it win by to be perceived as a threat to FF's walk to the title? Both tough questions to answer, at this point. All things aside, I think if Zelda got even a tripling on Mega Man X it'd be looking really good right here. I'm not sure where that puts MMX in the eventual stats or anything… I'm just going offa what looks impressive for that match.

But, we've all seen Mega Man's Nintendoesque attitude, we know he can do weird stuff if paired up against the likes of Yoshi or Link. There's a significant overlap there… and series have been giving out blowouts like it's nobody's business. I think Mega Man X is a pretty popular series, despite my prediction… but I don't think X-Stats are going to be worth anything in this contest when all's said and done anyway.

Lopen's Prediction: Legend of Zelda with 80.59%




Comments: If LoZ doesn't win this match, I'll never do the Analysis Crew again.
Karma Hunter | Posted 7/17/2006 8:41:52 PM | message detail
If Lopen ends up getting the point for this pick, I will tape myself eating a copy of Metal Gear Solid. No joke.
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Who Cares? | Posted 7/17/2006 8:46:01 PM | message detail
Nemesis isn't in MvC2, although Jill can summon a Tyrant for a super (although it never hits)

Meh, it's a big zombie that hits things, close enough! :P
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Lopen | Posted 7/17/2006 8:53:18 PM | message detail
I hope MNM gets this point. I really don't want to see MMX get killed like I've called for. (That foul Leonhart called for it higher, though!)
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