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therealmnm | Posted 7/15/2006 6:58:19 PM | message detail
*Checks in topic*

I believe therealmnm was the biggest I remember for Bowser > Solid.

Yes, Bowser > Solid was my baby. I was probably the only one who stuck with it into the end. This topic swayed horribly after Snake/Sora and Bowser/Kirby, and borderline blasted me when I still insisted that Bowser had a fighting chance against Snake. That was probably the best "loss" I've ever had in a contest. I figured that Snake would be favored to win the match, but with me being so big of a Bowser fan, I took that upset out of principle. Winning that match was more important to me than winning the contest!
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Rodri316 | Posted 7/15/2006 6:58:38 PM | message detail
Can I make part 316? Or does Ulti make these?
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Prediction: Mega Man vs. Mario Kart
SquallidSnake | Posted 7/15/2006 6:59:04 PM | message detail
Ulti's not around right now, so knock yourself out, Rodri.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/15/2006 6:59:29 PM | message detail
Go for it Rod.

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Slowflake | Posted 7/15/2006 6:59:35 PM | message detail
Go right ahead, Rodri. You have my full endorsement.

...okay, so it's not worth jack ****. But still, you can make it and not get modded.

...I think.
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Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego
Samurai7 | Posted 7/15/2006 6:59:37 PM | message detail
Games =/= Series

Don't try bringing up the Games Contest to prove a point here.


Its better than something thats not founded in fact at all such as "SF is classic it will win rofl"
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/15/2006 6:59:55 PM | message detail
That's the most relevant thing you can say in the face of Mega Man blasting Mario Kart?!
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/15/2006 7:00:13 PM | message detail
I never understood why anyone would care about making these topics, but sure, I don't expect anyone to care if you do.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/15/2006 7:00:54 PM | message detail
Its better than something thats not founded in fact at all such as "SF is classic it will win rofl"

And I don't believe assuming if TES = KotOR leads to victory is founded in fact either.
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Rodri316 | Posted 7/15/2006 7:01:26 PM | message detail
Are you kidding, I've dreamed of it since I was a wee lad
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/15/2006 7:01:51 PM | message detail
SMRPG probably got hit with considerable SFF against CT, and I'd take KotOR over any TES game for what it's worth. It's not like it's unpopular...
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steve illumina | Posted 7/15/2006 7:02:10 PM | message detail
If Elder Scrolls actually won this match...I would lose my precious perfect...and this is not permissible!

No hard feelings dear Morrowind...by the way...I own it and Oblivion, and they are good games, but they are no 1st tier RPG series just yet..
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/15/2006 7:02:12 PM | message detail
The last time I remember people equating two RPG series to each other to prove a win was SO to Xenogears. >_>

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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/15/2006 7:02:12 PM | message detail
And I don't believe assuming if TES = KotOR leads to victory is founded in fact either.

He made the point because morrowind, oblivion, and kotor are all popular western rpgs on both xbox and pc.
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Samurai7 | Posted 7/15/2006 7:02:28 PM | message detail
That's the most relevant thing you can say in the face of Mega Man blasting Mario Kart?!

Mario Kart is a spinoff... I have no idea how anyone could think a spin off even stood a chance against a foundation series.

Assumptions have to be made if theres nothing to look at. Doesn't mean we should ignore data when its there.
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Karma Hunter | Posted 7/15/2006 7:03:18 PM | message detail
I was talking to mnm's silly rant!
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/15/2006 7:03:43 PM | message detail
He made the point because morrowind, oblivion, and kotor are all popular western rpgs on both xbox and pc.

But you can't assume that just because they share a genre and a system, that they'll be the same level of popularity.

Plus, Division 128's credibility is waning with every match. I'm not sure I'd trust putting KotOR over SFII.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/15/2006 7:03:44 PM | message detail
That's the most relevant thing you can say in the face of Mega Man blasting Mario Kart?!

I think when people vte megaman, they're influenced by pretty much everything megaman, not just the classic games. SF is no megaman anyways.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/15/2006 7:03:54 PM | message detail
Mario Kart is a spinoff... I have no idea how anyone could think a spin off even stood a chance against a foundation series.

Vincent Valentine is an optional character... I have no idea how anyone could think an optional character stood a chance against a well noted strong representative such as Dante in the character contest. I mean Dante is the star of his own games! What a bunch of noobs.




Yes, I realize how ironic this post is.

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Samurai7 | Posted 7/15/2006 7:04:40 PM | message detail
SO to Xenogears.

I don't know why, but I thought it was clearly evident that Xenogears was more popular. >.>
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Slowflake | Posted 7/15/2006 7:05:12 PM | message detail
But the question was, by how much? Xenogears didn't exactly barely edge out Pokémon...
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Mario's not fun btw and only sells on nostalgia. I mean, you're just walking from one side of a level to the other at a tenth of Sonic's speed... -vego
Samurai7 | Posted 7/15/2006 7:06:12 PM | message detail
Vincent Valentine is an optional character... I have no idea how anyone could think an optional character stood a chance against a well noted strong representative such as Dante in the character contest. I mean Dante is the star of his own games! What a bunch of noobs.

A character is still inherient. When I buy FFVII I get Vincent. When I buy a Mario Kart game, I buy it exclusivly for Mario Kart. Two totally different things.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/15/2006 7:06:59 PM | message detail
But you can't assume that just because they share a genre and a system, that they'll be the same level of popularity.

Oblivion isn't just of the same genre; it's pretty much the most popular western rpg released in a loooooong while.

Plus, Division 128's credibility is waning with every match. I'm not sure I'd trust putting KotOR over SFII.

KOTOR wasn't behind starcraft.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/15/2006 7:07:02 PM | message detail
When I buy FFVII I get Vincent.

Not true, he's optional!

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steve illumina | Posted 7/15/2006 7:08:07 PM | message detail
LOL
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/15/2006 7:08:34 PM | message detail
Super Smash Brothers is a spinoff. How could anyone ever expect it to beat a classic series like Sonic? How could anyone expect a side game to beat THE Final Fantasy game of this generation? Seriously, how ludicrous!
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Samurai7 | Posted 7/15/2006 7:08:48 PM | message detail
But the question was, by how much? Xenogears didn't exactly barely edge out Pokémon...

Excessivly. Maybe its because when I'm at work... I've sold one SO in the past 6 monthes that I can remember, even less then Xenosaga.... if xenosaga gets more intention, not way can I doubt the Xenogears is so much stronger. I've probably sold nearly as many Morrowinds as KotOR, and I've had KotOR in more often. Combined with the recent success of Oblivion and I say its possible.
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Draco1214 | Posted 7/15/2006 7:08:50 PM | message detail
SF2 isn't the only thing Street Fighter has. It has the Alpha series, SF3, and possibly the vs. games. It also has the weight of its name. I agree that SF is no Mega Man, but people shouldn't dismiss it at call it relatively weak so easily.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/15/2006 7:09:42 PM | message detail
KOTOR wasn't behind starcraft.

Neither was GTA, and it sure didn't look like one of the strongest series in this contest.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/15/2006 7:09:42 PM | message detail
Vincent Valentine is an optional character... I have no idea how anyone could think an optional character stood a chance against a well noted strong representative such as Dante in the character contest. I mean Dante is the star of his own games! What a bunch of noobs.

What's funny about the optional character argument, is I kept hearing everyone use it against hk-47 even though he's almost impossible to miss. In a way, I was happy to see vincent destroy my bracket, because at least it put an end to that baseless argument.
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steve illumina | Posted 7/15/2006 7:09:54 PM | message detail
I do believe I coined the whole spinoff thing..Illumina's Theory of Spinoffs, an earlier post in this very thread I believe it was! Which, along with Illumina's 4th Law of COntests, spelled out the doom for Mario Kart :)
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/15/2006 7:11:25 PM | message detail
Neither was GTA, and it sure didn't look like one of the strongest series in this contest.

It didn't exactly look pathetic either. There was a lot of rallying for warcraft you know.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/15/2006 7:11:31 PM | message detail
Excessivly. Maybe its because when I'm at work... I've sold one SO in the past 6 monthes that I can remember, even less then Xenosaga.... if xenosaga gets more intention, not way can I doubt the Xenogears is so much stronger.

Yes, let's use the sales logic, and then ignore the fact that SO >>>>>> Xenogears in terms of sales.

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Samurai7 | Posted 7/15/2006 7:12:00 PM | message detail
Super Smash Brothers is a spinoff. How could anyone ever expect it to beat a classic series like Sonic? How could anyone expect a side game to beat THE Final Fantasy game of this generation? Seriously, how ludicrous!

Maybe, but Mario Kart is a spin off in to an all ready exsisting genre. SSBM is so different from any game, and draws such an obvious and clear massive fanbase that its an exclusion.

SF2 isn't the only thing Street Fighter has. It has the Alpha series, SF3, and possibly the vs. games. It also has the weight of its name. I agree that SF is no Mega Man, but people shouldn't dismiss it at call it relatively weak so easily.

I don't see Street Fighter series being very diverse in voting pool. As for TES, I know this may be anecdotal, but i know many that love morrowind that havnt played oblivion because of the requirements, and many who have only played oblivion because all of the hype it got.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/15/2006 7:12:49 PM | message detail
It didn't exactly look pathetic either. There was a lot of rallying for warcraft you know.

The only problem is that it doesn't matter that it doesn't matter if it "didn't exactly look pathetic." Based on Division 128, it had the potential to be one of the strongest series when you throw the rest of the series on top. It didn't perform like that.
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Samurai7 | Posted 7/15/2006 7:15:09 PM | message detail
Yes, let's use the sales logic, and then ignore the fact that SO >>>>>> Xenogears in terms of sales.

*Shrug* How the sales slump and dampen over time matter more than total sales. Which I'm sure you can't give me the progessional percentage drop in either.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/15/2006 7:15:12 PM | message detail
Maybe, but Mario Kart is a spin off in to an all ready exsisting genre.

Mario Kart created that genre, mind you. Don't dare put it in the same class as Need for Speed or Gran Turismo. It's a different category altogether.

SSBM is so different from any game, and draws such an obvious and clear massive fanbase that its an exclusion.

...Mario Kart arguably has just as big of a fanbase.

And of COURSE Street Fighter II isn't going to have a diverse fanbase from SFII to other versions of it. Who HASN'T played the game? It's hard to add new fans when nearly everyone's played it.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/15/2006 7:16:21 PM | message detail

*Shrug* How the sales slump and dampen over time matter more than total sales. Which I'm sure you can't give me the progessional percentage drop in either.


How so? And hell.. you're not even talking about Xenogears, you're talking about Xenosaga. Your arguments have been completely ridiculous.

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Samurai7 | Posted 7/15/2006 7:16:55 PM | message detail
...Mario Kart arguably has just as big of a fanbase.

No, I think its 100% completly obvious that it doesn't.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/15/2006 7:18:18 PM | message detail
So you're saying more people have played a Super Smash Brothers game than have played a Mario Kart game? Not a chance.

Besides, simply saying that "SSB is just an exception" hardly proves anything.

Actually, it proves nothing. It's just an assumption.
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Phediuk | Posted 7/15/2006 7:18:27 PM | message detail
*COMPARISONS GAME- (3) The Elder Scrolls vs. (6) Street Fighter*

Sales

Street Fighter II was a phenomenon. SFII on its own has likely sold several times more than the entire Elder Scrolls series combined.

Advantage: Street Fighter

Hype

The Elder Scrolls:

Oblivion was very well-received (the best-selling game in the series, if I'm not mistaken), and the series' fanbase just keeps growing.

Street Fighter:

This series has been niche since about 1996 or so. When was the last time anyone was excited for an SF game? Just release SFIV already for Christ's sake.

Advantage: The Elder Scrolls

Number of Games

The Elder Scrolls:

Main series-

The Elder Scrolls: Arena (PC, 1994)
The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall (PC, 1996)
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (PC, 2002)
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (PC, 2006)

Spinoffs/ports-

Battlespire (PC, 1997)
Redguard (PC, 1998)
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind (Xbox, 2002)
The Elder Scrolls III: Tribunal (PC, 2002)
The Elder Scrolls III: Bloodmoon (PC, 2003)
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind Game of the Year Edition (Xbox, 2003)
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind Game of the Year Edition (PC, 2003)
The Elder Scrolls Travels: Stormhold (Mobile, 2003)
The Elder Scrolls Travels: Dawnstar (Mobile, 2004)
The Elder Scrolls Travels: Shadowkey (N-Gage, 2004)
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (Xbox 360, 2006)

Total- 15
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Phediuk | Posted 7/15/2006 7:18:46 PM | message detail
Street Fighter:

Main series-

Street Fighter (Arcade, 1987)
Street Fighter II: The World Warrior (Arcade, 1991)
Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting (Arcade, 1992)
Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers (Arcade, 1993)
Street Fighter III: New Generation (Arcade, 1997)
Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact (Arcade, 1998)
Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike (Arcade, 1999)

Spinoffs/ports:

Street Fighter (C64, 1988)
Street Fighter (Amiga, 1988)
Fighting Street (TCD, 1988)
Street Fighter 2010 (NES, 1990)
Street Fighter II Champion Edition (Arcade, 1992)
Street Fighter II (C64, 1992)
Street Fighter II (Amiga, 1992)
Street Fighter II (SNES, 1992)
Street Fighter II Turbo (SNES, 1993)
Street Fighter II' Champion Edition (TG16, 1993)
Street Fighter II Special Champion Edition (Genesis, 1993)
Super Street Fighter II (Genesis, 1994)
Super Street Fighter II (SNES, 1994)
Super Street Fighter II Turbo (Arcade, 1994)
Super Street Fighter II Turbo (3DO, 1994)
Street Fighter Alpha: Warriors' Dreams (Arcade, 1995)
Street Fighter Alpha (PSX, 1995)
Street Fighter II Movie (PSX, 1995)
Street Fighter II Movie (Saturn, 1995)
Super Street Fighter II Turbo (Amiga, 1995)
Street Fighter II (GB, 1995)
Street Fighter: The Movie (Arcade, 1995)
Street Fighter: The Movie (PSX, 1995)
Street Fighter: The Movie (Saturn, 1995)
Street Fighter Alpha: Warriors' Dreams (Saturn, 1996)
Street Fighter Alpha 2 (Arcade, 1996)
Street Fighter Alpha 2 (PSX, 1996)
Street Fighter Alpha 2 (Saturn, 1996)
Street Fighter Alpha 2 (SNES, 1996)
Street Fighter Zero 2 Alpha (Arcade, 1996)
Super Street Fighter II (PC, 1996)
Super Street Fighter II Turbo (PC, 1996)
Street Fighter EX (Arcade, 1996)
X-Men vs. Street Fighter (Arcade, 1996)
X-Men vs. Street Fighter (PSX, 1996)
X-Men vs. Street Fighter (Saturn, 1996)
Street Fighter EX Plus (Arcade, 1997)
Street Fighter Alpha 2 (PC, 1997)
Street Fighter II' (SMS, 1997)
Street Fighter EX Plus Alpha (PSX, 1997)
Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter (Arcade, 1997)
Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter (PSX, 1997)
Marvel Super Heroes vs. Street Fighter (Saturn, 1997)
Street Fighter EX 2 (Arcade, 1998)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 (Arcade, 1998)
Street Fighter EX 2 Plus (Arcade, 1999)
Street Fighter EX2 Plus (PSX, 1999)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 (PSX, 1999)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 (Saturn, 1999)
Street Fighter Zero 3 Upper (Arcade, 1999)
Street Fighter Alpha (GBC, 2000)
Street Fighter Alpha (PC, 2000)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 (DC, 2000)
Street Fighter III: Double Impact (DC, 2000)
Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike (DC, 2000)
Street Fighter EX3 (PS2, 2000)
Super Street II X for Matching Service (DC, 2001)
Super Street Fighter II: Turbo Revival (GBA, 2001)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 (GBA, 2002)
Hyper Street Fighter II: The Anniversary Edition (PS2, 2003)
Street Fighter Anniversary Collection (PS2, 2004)
Street Fighter II (Mobile, 2004)
Street Fighter Alpha: Maximum Blow (Mobile, 2004)
Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike (PS2, 2004)
Street Fighter Anniversary Collection (Xbox, 2005)
Street Fighter Alpha: Rapid Battle (Mobile, 2005)
Street Fighter Alpha 3 MAX (PSP, 2006)
Street Fighter Alpha Anthology (PS2, 2006)

Total- 75

Advantage: Street Fighter
Samurai7 | Posted 7/15/2006 7:18:49 PM | message detail
How so? And hell.. you're not even talking about Xenogears, you're talking about Xenosaga. Your arguments have been completely ridiculous.

Steady sales shows consistent intrest. Total sales can show a hyped up flop. If Xenosaga can match SO in consistant interest then why would I doubt Xenogears wouldn't blow it away?
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FastFalcon05 | Posted 7/15/2006 7:19:15 PM | message detail
Hmm I'm just gonna cut my losses right now and come out and say "what the hell does SFF stand for?"

Same Fanbase Factor. I might have missed someone explaining it's common meaning (apart from something fishy fishsticks >_>). It occurs when two characters from the same fanbase, Link vs Ganondorf, go up against each other and the results heavily skew in favor of one character because of the split, or not so split, fanbase.
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dragoontheguy | Posted 7/15/2006 7:19:23 PM | message detail
The only problem is that it doesn't matter that it doesn't matter if it "didn't exactly look pathetic." Based on Division 128, it had the potential to be one of the strongest series when you throw the rest of the series on top. It didn't perform like that.

Maybe wracraft is just stronger ten were giving it credit for. Who knows? I don't know why exactly to doubt its numbers in the 2k4 contest though. I mean fire emblem, and mgs were both behind ssbm too, and I didn't exactly see them do worse than expected.
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FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/15/2006 7:19:25 PM | message detail
Because Xenogears and Xenosaga are two very different games, aside from the word "Xeno" in them?

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Phediuk | Posted 7/15/2006 7:19:37 PM | message detail
GameFAQs Status

Number of FAQs:

The Elder Scrolls:

The Elder Scrolls: Arena- 1
The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall- 3
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind- 63
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion- 36
Total- 103

Street Fighter:

Street Fighter- 3
Street Fighter II: The World Warrior- 14
Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting- 8
Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers- 11
Street Fighter III: New Generation- 23
Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact- 15
Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike- 68
Total- 142

Advantage: Street Fighter

Average review score/Number of reviews:

The Elder Scrolls:

The Elder Scrolls: Arena- 9.00 (4)
The Elder Scrolls II: Daggerfall- 7.92 (13)
The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind- 8.40 (52)
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion- 8.67 (30)
Series average- 8.50 (99)

Street Fighter:

Street Fighter- 5.50 (16)
Street Fighter II: The World Warrior- 9.08 (12)
Street Fighter II Turbo: Hyper Fighting- 9.25 (4)
Super Street Fighter II: The New Challengers- 8.00 (3)
Street Fighter III: New Generation- 8.33 (3)
Street Fighter III: 2nd Impact- 7.50 (2)
Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike- 7.71 (7)
Series average- 7.91 (47)

Advantage: The Elder Scrolls/The Elder Scrolls

Board activity:

The Xbox 360 Oblivion board has about 5 times as much activity as all 75 Street Fighter games combined.

Advantage: The Elder Scrolls

Board Odds Project

Match prediction:

Street Fighter- 124
The Elder Scrolls- 9

Despite all of TES' wins in this Comparisons Game, it's still a near-shutout for SF.

Advantage: Street Fighter

Point value:

Street Fighter- 168
The Elder Scrolls- 11

Same deal.

Advantage: Street Fighter

Previous contest representation

The Elder Scrolls:

None.

Street Fighter:

SC2002-

Ryu (10th)
Ken (14th)

SC2003-

Ryu (18th)

Sp2004-

Street Fighter II (27th)

SC2004-

Ryu (9th)

Sp2005-

M. Bison (6th)

SC2005-

Ryu (23rd)

Top 100-

Street Fighter II: The World Warrior (#47)

Advantage: Street Fighter

Intangibles

There's one big factor hindering The Elder Scrolls: its name. Whenever people refer to an ES game, it's always as "Morrowind" or "Oblivion" and never "The Elder Scrolls". Could it hurt TES' performance? We can't know for sure, but the fact that I have to think for a split second every time I see the name Elder Scrolls to remember what it is is NOT a good sign.

Advantage: Street Fighter

Conclusion

As Halo/Castlevania, GTA/Warcraft and Mega Man/Mario Kart have all shown us, established older series are uniformly favored over more smaller, more recent series. SF with 58%.
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SquallidSnake | Posted 7/15/2006 7:19:50 PM | message detail
When was the last time anyone was excited for an SF game?

About a month ago.
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NewLib | Posted 7/15/2006 7:20:07 PM | message detail
Ahhh Capcom. They were whoring out Mega Man and Street Fighter, before Nintendo could even think of the idea "Spin-off".
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Samurai7 | Posted 7/15/2006 7:20:19 PM | message detail
So you're saying more people have played a Super Smash Brothers game than have played a Mario Kart game? Not a chance.

Besides, simply saying that "SSB is just an exception" hardly proves anything.

Actually, it proves nothing. It's just an assumption.


When I call something a fanbase I don't mean just playing. I play Mario Kart, but I am in no way a fan of the series.

Assumptions have to be made, everyone here makes an assumption in every match even if its founded in fact.
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