GameFAQs Contests
Contest Stats and Discussion - Part 314
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| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/14/2006 4:16:19 PM | message detail |
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And there are serious divisions among Zelda fans on what the best games are. Yes, but there aren't a large amount of people who love one and despise the others. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| NewLib | Posted 7/14/2006 4:17:27 PM | message detail |
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Uh there is a huge rift between OOT fans and Wind Waker fans. --- Where am I? |
| FlamboyantSpy | Posted 7/14/2006 4:18:48 PM | message detail |
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That's more of WW being shunned by everybody rather than their being a split in people liking it. And even if there was
a split, it would be people saying OOT kicks ass and WW sucks, not the
other way around. And when OOT is already the strongest game, that
doesn't do jack for it as a series. --- Explicit Content Cheer Up Emo Kids |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 4:19:52 PM | message detail |
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I never said there wasn't a division between Wind Waker and OoT. I said
that if you like Wind Waker, you'll usually like OoT. The division
isn't people who hate one and love the other, it's a division between
people who love OoT/hate WW and people who love OoT/love WW. --- Commit it to memory. |
| NewLib | Posted 7/14/2006 4:21:33 PM | message detail |
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There is a faction that loves WW/hates OOT. But you guys got right into
why this argument is ridiculous. Its hard to tell when there is a split
in fanbases and when one game is just despised. You can say there is a split between the Sonic Fanbase and those who like Shadow the Headhog. Or you can say Shadow the Headhog is hated by pretty much everyone except the die hard supporters. The second example really doesnt add to the diversity. Im sorry I brought up the argument. --- Where am I? |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 4:22:21 PM | message detail |
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Not to downplay WW's strength or anything. Simply by being a new Zelda
game on a new system it likely brought in fans that it wouldn't have
before, and makes Zelda that much stronger. I'm merely generalizing.
Zelda's 'diversity', as we call it, is because it has so many games
that most people on this site are prone to like. The number of them
creates diversity intrinsically, but if they were significantly
different there would be even MORE diversity. --- Commit it to memory. |
| jonthomson | Posted 7/14/2006 4:23:47 PM | message detail |
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Match 14 - Mega Man vs Mario Kart One of the few matches in the first round that is causing any kind of debate, this match will decide who has the honour of jobbing to FF in round 2. This one is problematic as it'll be hard to gauge just how strong Mario Kart really is, being a side series (but a hugely popular side series), and there's questions on how Mega Man will be interpreted as well, seeing how we only have the original series to go with here (assuming people don't just see MM and assume it's everything) which hasn't seen anything new since god knows when. This one ought to be close, and I can't really fault any arguments either way. MK has shipped millions of units over a long period of time, and Mega Man is no joke either. I think Mega Man has the edge as the whole series should be stronger than any individual games (obv, as there's so many of them) but I would not be surprised at all if Mario Kart pulled it out of the bag. I'm staying with my first instinct but could easily get owned here. Bracket says: Mega Man Favourites bracket says: Mario Kart Vote says: Mega Man Prediction: Mega Man with 52.47% Fun fact of the day: jonthomson's favourite course in any Mario Kart game is Baby Park on Double Dash. Not because it's particularly interesting, in fact it's boring as hell, it's a favourite purely because of the comedy cockney knees-up style music. --- Jon Thomson - CATS, Jay Solano, Ridley, Scorpion, Alien Hominid, Duke Nukem, The Prince, Johnny Rocketfingers, two TBA |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 4:25:15 PM | message detail |
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Wario Stadium > All other Mario Kart courses --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| NewLib | Posted 7/14/2006 4:25:50 PM | message detail |
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Leonhart thats like saying FFVIII sucks. Everyone knows that. --- Where am I? |
| charmander6000 | Posted 7/14/2006 4:42:55 PM | message detail |
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Match XIV: (4) Mega Man vs. (5) Mario Kart Games in series Mega Man (NES, 1987) Mega Man 2 (NES, 1988) Mega Man 3 (NES, 1990) Mega Man 4 (NES, 1992) Mega Man 5 (NES, 1992) Mega Man 6 (NES, 1994) Mega Man 7 (SNES, 1995) Mega Man 8 (PS, 1997) Super Mario Kart (SNES, 1992) Mario Kart 64 (N64, 1996) Mario Kart Super Circuit (GBA, 2001) Mario Kart: Double Dash!! (GC, 2003) Mario Kart DS (DS, 2005) Analysis: In the original Mega Man series Dr. Light and Dr. Wily worked together to build robots that will make human life much easier, Dr. Wily had a different plan (like taking over the world). He reprogrammed the robots and took it for his own, but lucky Mega Man was immune to this reprogramming so Dr. Light told him to hunt down those robots and destroy them before Dr. Wily takes over the Earth. In Mario Kart you race with your favorite Mario character in a Go-cart. SMK was released to combat against Sonic’s speed, but since then it has been the model for various Mascot Races. This is my pick for Match of the Round when I made my bracket and many people would agree with me. Mega Man is going in as the favorite, but I think Mario Kart is underrated on the board and may take the upset. The best part of this match is the lack of information we have. No Mario Kart or Mega Man game was in the Best Game Ever contest and we can’t use the character contest because Mario also has his main series to gain strength from. I think most of us can agree on SMB > Mega Man on GameFAQs, so the question comes to how much weaker is MK compare to SMB and will it be enough to beat Mega Man? The Mario Kart series is probably Mario’s strongest spin-off series and ever since Super Mario Kart the games have always been one of the most popular of each console/handheld. It would be hard to measure with all of the SFF, but if I had to guess it would be from 32%-39% The only thing that might screw Mega Man over is if in the option CJayC put Mega Man (original). Now I haven’t met anyone who were fans of a spin-off series of Mega Man and hated the original series, but if the match was going to be really close it could cost Mega Man the match, but it probably be only worth as much as the picture vote between two semi-well known options (~1k). I’m not expecting any SFF in this match because close matches usually don’t have it, but I should point out that 7/8 of the original Mega Man games were from Nintendo consoles. Even though my bracket is dead I’m still hoping for Mario Kart to do the upset. charmander6000’s Bracket: Mario Kart over Mega Man charmander6000’s Prediction: Mario Kart wins, 53.23% - 46.77% --- "I was trying to escape. Obviously, it didn't work." - President Bush |
| ccbfan | Posted 7/14/2006 5:05:21 PM | message detail |
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There is a faction that loves WW/hates OOT. Five people does not create a faction. Heck I'm not even sure who these five people are. I've been on Gamefaqs 7 years and I have never met anyone that loved WW but hates OOT. I know people that like WW more than OOT but never seen someone that hated OOT but love WW. Maybe you can show where this group is. I mean for you to even mention it, it would mean its substancial enough for you to easily find examples. (Watches one of the five be you or an alt). On the other hand I read almost every week at least one person comment. "FF has gone downhill since FF6" or "FF have gone downhill since it went on the PS" There is not real division among Zelda fans. They argue which Zelda is the best but almost none love one but hates OOT. So they like alttp more or WW more. At the end, chances are OOT would still be one of their favorite games. These fans already voted for Zelda OOT i 2004 and their votes don't count as Zelda the series gaining anything cause they already voted for OOT. Its just Zelda the series maintaining a vote. Final Fantasy on the other hand is completely different. There are a lot of people that love FF4 and FF6 that hate FF7 (me included and I voted for OOT in 2004 and will now vote Final Fantasy since FF4, FF6 and FFT in my top 5 favorite games). These people who originally voted Zelda OOT will now vote for FF. Zelda as a series steal almost no votes from FF7, but FF with FF4 and FF6 steal a lot of votes from Zelda. FF is probably Nintendo fannies favorite third party series on this site. Plus with the addition of so many Square-Enix games for Nintendo systems. The hate from the betrayal is mostly gone. FF's vote base is basically FF7+old school nintendo FF fans, while Zelda's is OOT-old school nintendo FF fans. FF7 is already a good deal stronger than OOT. You do the math |
| transience | Posted 7/14/2006 5:15:31 PM | message detail |
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you guys are really overanalyzing this. it's really simple here - you
can go make a topic about 'best zelda' and it might get 50 posts. do
that with final fantasy and a huge 200 post argument breaks out. the
final fantasy crew is far more diverse as far as their favourite games.
I think we've had a couple of topics today that have gone just like
that. I think the better question is if the diversity is good or bad. let's say someone likes FF7 and FF8 but hates FF9 and FF10 - do they vote for or against the series? it seems that very few people like every FF while zelda's fans are far more tolerant of its shortcomings. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| NewLib | Posted 7/14/2006 5:18:11 PM | message detail |
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Fact or Fiction: Only Zelda and Mario break 30% on Final Fantasy. --- Where am I? |
| Janus5000 | Posted 7/14/2006 5:19:43 PM | message detail |
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Fact, though Mario Kart will come pretty close - it'll avoid a tripling, at any rate. --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
| transience | Posted 7/14/2006 5:20:03 PM | message detail |
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obvious fact. the only series that even has a shot is RE, and I doubt it comes close. can't see MM/MK doing that. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| NewLib | Posted 7/14/2006 5:20:55 PM | message detail |
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Fine a little bit tougher than. Fact or Fiction: No Series in THIS CONTEST can break 35% on Final Fantasy except Zelda and Mario. --- Where am I? |
| transience | Posted 7/14/2006 5:21:21 PM | message detail |
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and the only series that has a chance at getting 30% on Zelda besides FF is Metal Gear. it'll probably get about 35. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| transience | Posted 7/14/2006 5:22:28 PM | message detail |
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another fact. when FF7 destroys the hell out of MGS worse than that and
it's the consensus fourth strongest series, I question anybody really
having a shot at 35%. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 5:22:44 PM | message detail |
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I considered that too, tranny, and that's why my initial thoughts were,
"Hmm, series contest, Zelda wins with 52%," just because Zelda seemed
so much more like a united front. Hell, it's why I think that FF losing
wouldn't be nearly as bad in terms of whining as Zelda losing -- a
whole bunch of FF fans are going to say something like, "Expected, ever
since FFVIII it's been downhill," or "FFVI was so overrated, no wonder
it lost," while Zelda fans will kinda go, "...huh?" But the switching point for me is the popularity of FFVII. To this day I cannot believe how few people on this site have played the game relative to OoT, and yet how badly OoT got stomped. People just love that stupid thing to death, a HUGE portion of the site has it as their favorite game, and in the end I think the diversity is always going to be skewed postitively toward FF as a whole. Without FF7 I'm *really* feeling Zelda, but with it everything changes. --- Commit it to memory. |
| NewLib | Posted 7/14/2006 5:25:12 PM | message detail |
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Without FFVII, EVERYONE would be feeling Zelda. I mean that would mean
Zelda have the two most popular games in its series and possibly 3 out
of 4 (I still think Wind Waker beats FFVIII and FFX). --- Where am I? |
| transience | Posted 7/14/2006 5:25:12 PM | message detail |
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I had Zelda > FF too, KH, until that FF7 remake poll and the
realization that FFXI potentially brings a different fanbase to FF's
side. it's tough to argue with a series that has a game that would make
75% of the site buy a PS3 or whatever. --- xyzzy I lost a sig bet to War13104. Yes, the same guy who had Kefka over Crono. FOR THE HORDE! |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 5:36:06 PM | message detail |
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Wind Waker maybe beats Final Fantasy VIII, but I'd take Final Fantasy X over it and feel confident about it. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Mac Arrowny | Posted 7/14/2006 5:37:36 PM | message detail |
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http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php?name=mario+kart&console=&publisher=&sort=Total I'd just like to note that EVERY MEGA MAN GAME EVER sold 24 million copies. That's 10 million less than MK's five games. Also: Average review score/Number of reviews: Mega Man: Mega Man- 7.98 (52) Mega Man 2- 8.80 (54) Mega Man 3- 8.92 (48) Mega Man 4- 7.36 (39) Mega Man 5- 8.06 (36) Mega Man 6- 6.56 (32) Mega Man 7- 7.81 (32) Mega Man 8- 6.77 (26) Rockman & Forte- 8.12 (25) Mega Man Powered Up- 8.33 (9) Series average- 7.87 (353) Mario Kart: Super Mario Kart- 9.10 (40) Mario Kart 64- 8.64 (50) Mario Kart: Super Circuit- 8.95 (40) Mario Kart: Double Dash!!- 8.31 (68) Mario Kart DS- 8.90 (62) Series average- 8.78 (260) So, everyone hates Super Circuit, right? Now I haven’t met anyone who were fans of a spin-off series of Mega Man and hated the original series, *raises hand* --- Pity for the guilty is treason to the innocent. |
| DeepHyren12 | Posted 7/14/2006 5:38:55 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, there's a lot of overlap between MMX and MM, but I could
definitely see Mega Man Legends fans or Mega Man Battle Network's fans
not liking the originals. --- "Civil government is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor" --Adam Smith |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 5:40:37 PM | message detail |
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Wait, so according to the reviews, it's: SMK > SC > DS > MK64 > MKDD Hmmm...The only thing that's right about that is MKDS is 3rd. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 5:42:58 PM | message detail |
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IMO the MK games are ranked as follows: SMK>MK64>MKDS?MKDD>MKSC Although, unlike many people, I actually like super circuit. --- When dictatorship is a fact, revolution becomes a right. ~ Victor Hugo {WoT}~> Board 408 |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 5:43:16 PM | message detail |
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Which is precisely why GameFAQs reviews mean absolutely richard. Unless
you're an extremely popular game or a totally despised game (Shadow the
Hedgehog comes to mind here, and it still has lots of high scores on
its page), you're not going to get much in the way of reviews. SC is
still a disappointment, as anyone who knows the fanbase should have
gleaned. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Master Moltar | Posted 7/14/2006 5:43:53 PM | message detail |
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64 > SMK > DS > DD > SC And I posted the analyses in the main topic. Since it's an important match, should I post them here too? (It'll take alot of posts though) --- Moltar Status: Disappointed, I lost my perfect bracket. Final Fantasy vs. Diablo - Bracket: FF - Vote: FF (10/12) |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 5:48:16 PM | message detail |
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Lopen has Mega Man winning with 60%?! ...well, I give up. Mega Man is screwed. No 'so', no italics. --- Commit it to memory. |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 6:03:36 PM | message detail |
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Moltar's inequality is 100% correct! FF is a few hundred votes behind SMB's record, and the match is about 2000 behind GTA/Warcraft, so no record-setting performances here, looks like. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Karma Hunter | Posted 7/14/2006 6:04:25 PM | message detail |
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Except for the fact that Final Fantasy will be breaking 100,000 votes on freaking Diablo and all. --- Commit it to memory. |
| Keno316 | Posted 7/14/2006 6:05:29 PM | message detail |
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And that its managed to do it with a 15 minute delay. --- "Opinions are like butts, little girl. Everyone's got one and nobody thinks their's stink." -Lunar 2:EB |
| dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 6:05:44 PM | message detail |
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Impressive as that may be KH, a record it does not make. --- When dictatorship is a fact, revolution becomes a right. ~ Victor Hugo {WoT}~> Board 408 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 6:06:17 PM | message detail |
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Well, it's no doubt an extremely impressive performance, but it's not going to be hitting #1 on any lists, I think. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 6:06:47 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, without the 15 minute delay, FF might be ahead of SMB. Who knows? --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| dragoontheguy | Posted 7/14/2006 6:09:30 PM | message detail |
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*waits patiently for the match pic* I'm interested to see if we get something very generic or something very creative. We might just get a standard mario from mkds boxart with a standard megaman sprite, or something much more creative. This match has the potential to have an awesome pic. --- When dictatorship is a fact, revolution becomes a right. ~ Victor Hugo {WoT}~> Board 408 |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 6:10:35 PM | message detail |
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I have a feeling that it will be difficult to have a balanced match picture, heh. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/14/2006 6:10:41 PM | message detail |
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Impressive as that may be KH, a record it does not make. Well, it'll hold the record for highest number of votes in a match against Diablo. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/14/2006 6:11:31 PM | message detail |
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Ugh, the upcoming match is making me nervous for the first time since
Castlevania shot up my bracket. I really want Megaman to win this. And am I the only one that isn't that surprised about today's result? Yes, I wouldn't have expected Diablo to flop so horribly, but it wasn't like it was that strong to begin with, plus the whole '2 games=/=series' mentality of the contest isn't helping it either. --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 6:12:47 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, that mentality really killed SSB yesterday. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| Janus5000 | Posted 7/14/2006 6:13:13 PM | message detail |
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Funny how one old RPG series gets killed by a two-hit wonder one day and the reverse happens the next. --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/14/2006 6:14:41 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, that mentality really killed SSB yesterday. Well... it's Dragon Quest. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| DeepHyren12 | Posted 7/14/2006 6:15:19 PM | message detail |
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There's something I'd like to address in those analyses: the reason for
the spike in voting during contest season. One of the crew attributes
it to people coming to gamefaqs soley to vote for the game, but I think
that they are in the minority. I think the reason why we see more votes
in contest polls is that it is a much more interesting question which
people will care about, so they vote for it. The picture also helps
draw the eye to the contest polls more than the other polls. If people
are truly coming to the site for the contest, we should see a spike in
traffic to gfaqs during the contest; lacking the data, I can't say
either way. --- "Civil government is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor" --Adam Smith |
| Janus5000 | Posted 7/14/2006 6:15:21 PM | message detail |
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DQ lost? --- "Those who cast the vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/14/2006 6:16:16 PM | message detail |
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There's something I'd like to address in those analyses: the reason
for the spike in voting during contest season. One of the crew
attributes it to people coming to gamefaqs soley to vote for the game,
but I think that they are in the minority. I think the reason why we
see more votes in contest polls is that it is a much more interesting
question which people will care about, so they vote for it. The picture
also helps draw the eye to the contest polls more than the other polls.
If people are truly coming to the site for the contest, we should see a
spike in traffic to gfaqs during the contest; lacking the data, I can't
say either way. For the most part, you're right. Ceej said that traffic was much higher for GTA vs WC though. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/14/2006 6:16:20 PM | message detail |
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Yeah, that mentality really killed SSB yesterday. 1. DQ is fodder through and through. 2. Yay for having every Nintendo character in the game AND in the pic! --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |
| LeonhartForever | Posted 7/14/2006 6:16:54 PM | message detail |
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True enough, but the point I was trying to make is that it's not
necessarily just being a two game series that's hurting them. There's
more to it than that. Super Smash Brothers has some advantages that the
others do not. --- SC2K6 Nominations: Squall, Roxas, Serge, Seifer, Laguna, The Prince of Persia, Nightmare, Sub-Zero, Captain Falcon, Raiden |
| DeepHyren12 | Posted 7/14/2006 6:17:17 PM | message detail |
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Of course, vote rallying excepted =) --- "Civil government is in reality instituted for the defense of the rich against the poor" --Adam Smith |
| Adept of Aiur | Posted 7/14/2006 6:18:16 PM | message detail |
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True enough, but the point I was trying to make is that it's not
necessarily just being a two game series that's hurting them. There's
more to it than that. Super Smash Brothers has some advantages that the
others do not. The only advantage I see is getting the opportunity to get rocked in the face by a series as great as Sonic. --- "An intellectual is a man who takes more words than necessary to tell more than he knows." |
| KamikazePotato | Posted 7/14/2006 6:19:08 PM | message detail |
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If Sonic loses to SSB I will be very happy. I'm probably the most anti-Sonic person on this board. --- Angsty_Lou: Everything has a sexual connotation if you just look long and hard enough. Theo72: U SED LONG AND HARD LOL |